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Jamie
Oct 6, 2012, 9:38:39 PM10/6/12
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If I create a sub circuit in LTspice, will that circuit's content be
exported with the main file or do I need to include that along with the
file?
I read the help file but it some what does not give me a fuzzy feeling..
Jamie
exported with the main file or do I need to include that along with the
file?
I read the help file but it some what does not give me a fuzzy feeling..
Jamie
Joerg
Oct 7, 2012, 10:29:30 AM10/7/12
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directive then it is included. That's how I always do it. Typically to
the left or below so clients have a choice of printing it out along with
the schematic or not.
Much better than needing two files or having to load library parts.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
Jim Thompson
Oct 7, 2012, 11:48:40 AM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:29:30 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
What Joerg suggests is the equivalent of .INCLUDE in other Spice's.
Slows down the loading of the input file. .LIB is faster and more
efficient.
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
wrote:
Slows down the loading of the input file. .LIB is faster and more
efficient.
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Joerg
Oct 7, 2012, 12:16:33 PM10/7/12
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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:29:30 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jamie wrote:
>>> If I create a sub circuit in LTspice, will that circuit's content be
>>> exported with the main file or do I need to include that along with the
>>> file?
>>> I read the help file but it some what does not give me a fuzzy feeling..
>>>
>> If you place the whole subcircuit text into your schematic as a SPICE
>> directive then it is included. That's how I always do it. Typically to
>> the left or below so clients have a choice of printing it out along with
>> the schematic or not.
>>
>> Much better than needing two files or having to load library parts.
>
> What Joerg suggests is the equivalent of .INCLUDE in other Spice's.
> Slows down the loading of the input file. .LIB is faster and more
> efficient.
>
What I meant is .SUBCKT in the input file. I've never had any speed
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:29:30 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Jamie wrote:
>>> If I create a sub circuit in LTspice, will that circuit's content be
>>> exported with the main file or do I need to include that along with the
>>> file?
>>> I read the help file but it some what does not give me a fuzzy feeling..
>>>
>> If you place the whole subcircuit text into your schematic as a SPICE
>> directive then it is included. That's how I always do it. Typically to
>> the left or below so clients have a choice of printing it out along with
>> the schematic or not.
>>
>> Much better than needing two files or having to load library parts.
>
> What Joerg suggests is the equivalent of .INCLUDE in other Spice's.
> Slows down the loading of the input file. .LIB is faster and more
> efficient.
>
issues, they load in a second or two. What does take forever is sims
with gapped transformers in there, leakage inductance and all that. And
then the office temp start to rise and rise and rise.
I've got an Intel 1.6GHz dual core in there. Rumors have it that the
Intel i7 could be almost twice as fast. Have you heard and confirmations
in that direction?
Jim Thompson
Oct 7, 2012, 1:18:16 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 09:16:33 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:29:30 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jamie wrote:
>>>> If I create a sub circuit in LTspice, will that circuit's content be
>>>> exported with the main file or do I need to include that along with the
>>>> file?
>>>> I read the help file but it some what does not give me a fuzzy feeling..
>>>>
>>> If you place the whole subcircuit text into your schematic as a SPICE
>>> directive then it is included. That's how I always do it. Typically to
>>> the left or below so clients have a choice of printing it out along with
>>> the schematic or not.
>>>
>>> Much better than needing two files or having to load library parts.
>>
>> What Joerg suggests is the equivalent of .INCLUDE in other Spice's.
>> Slows down the loading of the input file. .LIB is faster and more
>> efficient.
>>
>
>What I meant is .SUBCKT in the input file.
OK. I misread your intent. That's equivalent to a .LIB call... only
what you need is loaded.
>I've never had any speed
>issues, they load in a second or two. What does take forever is sims
>with gapped transformers in there, leakage inductance and all that. And
>then the office temp start to rise and rise and rise.
Heats my office in winter ;-)
>
>I've got an Intel 1.6GHz dual core in there.
That's what I have in my notebook (Thinkpad X61s): 1.60 GHz Intel
Core2 Duo. It runs slower than my old Win2K machine (Analog3) with a
2.20GHz AMD Athlon 64 and only 1G of RAM :-)
>Rumors have it that the
>Intel i7 could be almost twice as fast. Have you heard and confirmations
>in that direction?
Since Analog1 (also 2.20GHz AMD Athlon 64, but WinXP Pro) crashed and
burned, I'm pondering what to replace it with. Mark/qrk is the
resident expert on benchmarking. There's so much Intel malarkey out
there, it's difficult to know what would be best for a simulation
machine.
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 07:29:30 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jamie wrote:
>>>> If I create a sub circuit in LTspice, will that circuit's content be
>>>> exported with the main file or do I need to include that along with the
>>>> file?
>>>> I read the help file but it some what does not give me a fuzzy feeling..
>>>>
>>> If you place the whole subcircuit text into your schematic as a SPICE
>>> directive then it is included. That's how I always do it. Typically to
>>> the left or below so clients have a choice of printing it out along with
>>> the schematic or not.
>>>
>>> Much better than needing two files or having to load library parts.
>>
>> What Joerg suggests is the equivalent of .INCLUDE in other Spice's.
>> Slows down the loading of the input file. .LIB is faster and more
>> efficient.
>>
>
>What I meant is .SUBCKT in the input file.
what you need is loaded.
>I've never had any speed
>issues, they load in a second or two. What does take forever is sims
>with gapped transformers in there, leakage inductance and all that. And
>then the office temp start to rise and rise and rise.
>
>I've got an Intel 1.6GHz dual core in there.
Core2 Duo. It runs slower than my old Win2K machine (Analog3) with a
2.20GHz AMD Athlon 64 and only 1G of RAM :-)
>Rumors have it that the
>Intel i7 could be almost twice as fast. Have you heard and confirmations
>in that direction?
burned, I'm pondering what to replace it with. Mark/qrk is the
resident expert on benchmarking. There's so much Intel malarkey out
there, it's difficult to know what would be best for a simulation
machine.
Phil Hobbs
Oct 7, 2012, 1:26:48 PM10/7/12
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with 32G of RAM and a nice RAID5 disc array. I bought it about a year
ago for a bit under $4k. It runs CentOS 6.2 Linux, with kvm/qemu
virtual machines for XP/32 and Win7/64.
LTspice flies.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
TheQuickBrownFox
Oct 7, 2012, 2:57:55 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:18:16 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>Since Analog1 (also 2.20GHz AMD Athlon 64, but WinXP Pro) crashed and
>burned, I'm pondering what to replace it with. Mark/qrk is the
>resident expert on benchmarking. There's so much Intel malarkey out
>there, it's difficult to know what would be best for a simulation
>machine.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
My cheap i3 laptop would sim circles around those, so $400. You could
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>Since Analog1 (also 2.20GHz AMD Athlon 64, but WinXP Pro) crashed and
>burned, I'm pondering what to replace it with. Mark/qrk is the
>resident expert on benchmarking. There's so much Intel malarkey out
>there, it's difficult to know what would be best for a simulation
>machine.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
likely get an ATOM that would do it pretty fast too.
Can't beat Costco sometimes. But better and cheaper is already out
there too. Kinda wished I'd waited.
But if you want *the best*, splurge and build your own machine with a
new LG2011 socket W79 motherboard, and a superior EVGA vid card. It takes
a while to build the box, PS, and get your HDs and Disc drives and fans
first. THEN get the MOBO, CPU, and RAM. They get cheaper over time, so
you buy those last.
A good, hot, cutting edge build starts at around $2k and goes up from
there. A dual Xeon could run $3k each just for the processors.
Those build do hold *some* of their value though.
My Atom runs circles around my old 486 EISA though, and I thought that
was a hot box, and my Atom is a full computer for $300.
TheQuickBrownFox
Oct 7, 2012, 3:06:31 PM10/7/12
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5 on the old interface spec is no gain.
$4k??? Supermicro saw you coming. Or the guy you got to build it for
you.
I'd go with an EVGA dual XEOM MOBO and fill it with 6 or 12 way (core
pairs). Put all my money into the CPUs and MOBO. AMD mobos are all
taking a hit these days, mainly because the idiots embraced and bought
ATI.
Supermicro makes dual CPU mobos. Oh boy. They have always been hugely
overpriced and underfunctioned.
EVGA makes MODERN dual CPU motherboards. Supermicro is like Dell. It
is two year old technology the moment you buy it. With this, even more
than 2 years.
And the price difference is small enough that I stopped buying AMD 8
years ago. Intel Mobos and CPUs scream.
Phil Hobbs
Oct 7, 2012, 4:09:14 PM10/7/12
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any actual benchmarks for floating point performance between Intel and
AMD?
Jim Thompson
Oct 7, 2012, 4:17:11 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:09:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
Yup. The real test is simulation. Intel runs all over AMD with toy
apps. AMD kills Intel when it comes to Spice.
apps. AMD kills Intel when it comes to Spice.
John Larkin
Oct 7, 2012, 4:36:57 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:57:55 -0700, TheQuickBrownFox
<thequick...@overthelazydog.org> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:18:16 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Since Analog1 (also 2.20GHz AMD Athlon 64, but WinXP Pro) crashed and
>>burned, I'm pondering what to replace it with. Mark/qrk is the
>>resident expert on benchmarking. There's so much Intel malarkey out
>>there, it's difficult to know what would be best for a simulation
>>machine.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> My cheap i3 laptop would sim circles around those, so $400. You could
>likely get an ATOM that would do it pretty fast too.
>
> Can't beat Costco sometimes. But better and cheaper is already out
>there too. Kinda wished I'd waited.
>
> But if you want *the best*, splurge and build your own machine with a
>new LG2011 socket W79 motherboard, and a superior EVGA vid card. It takes
>a while to build the box, PS, and get your HDs and Disc drives and fans
>first. THEN get the MOBO, CPU, and RAM. They get cheaper over time, so
>you buy those last.
>
> A good, hot, cutting edge build starts at around $2k and goes up from
>there. A dual Xeon could run $3k each just for the processors.
That's a lot of money for playing video games.
<thequick...@overthelazydog.org> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:18:16 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Since Analog1 (also 2.20GHz AMD Athlon 64, but WinXP Pro) crashed and
>>burned, I'm pondering what to replace it with. Mark/qrk is the
>>resident expert on benchmarking. There's so much Intel malarkey out
>>there, it's difficult to know what would be best for a simulation
>>machine.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> My cheap i3 laptop would sim circles around those, so $400. You could
>likely get an ATOM that would do it pretty fast too.
>
> Can't beat Costco sometimes. But better and cheaper is already out
>there too. Kinda wished I'd waited.
>
> But if you want *the best*, splurge and build your own machine with a
>new LG2011 socket W79 motherboard, and a superior EVGA vid card. It takes
>a while to build the box, PS, and get your HDs and Disc drives and fans
>first. THEN get the MOBO, CPU, and RAM. They get cheaper over time, so
>you buy those last.
>
> A good, hot, cutting edge build starts at around $2k and goes up from
>there. A dual Xeon could run $3k each just for the processors.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
Phil Hobbs
Oct 7, 2012, 4:40:07 PM10/7/12
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right now, for a spectroscopic biochip project. Peak speed is about 150
Gflops, single precision.
Joerg
Oct 7, 2012, 4:41:37 PM10/7/12
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AMD Turion 64 that is at least five years old. In a Cypress training
session where compile runs on PSoC code had to be done a lot it blew the
socks off the other guys with their fancy and newer biz laptops. It
always finished first, way earlier.
The Atom on my netbook is different. That is boviously taylored towards
fuel economy and SPICE sims take much longer.
Gerhard Hoffmann
Oct 7, 2012, 6:18:50 PM10/7/12
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Am 07.10.2012 21:06, schrieb TheQuickBrownFox:
> EVGA makes MODERN dual CPU motherboards. Supermicro is like Dell. It
> is two year old technology the moment you buy it. With this, even more
> than 2 years.
I'm writing this in a hotel room in Delphi, Greece, on a 17 month old
> EVGA makes MODERN dual CPU motherboards. Supermicro is like Dell. It
> is two year old technology the moment you buy it. With this, even more
> than 2 years.
Dell Precision M6600 17" laptop. Nobody else had 6 GBit/s SATA, USB-3,
16 or 32 GB RAM, Core I7 vpro and such a display at that time.
I have replaced the iron disk first with a OCZ Vortex3 SSD and now both
drives are 512 GB Samsung 830 SSDs. Plugged them in and they worked.
Both the OCZ and the Samsungs give about 500 MBytes/s transfer rate
in the laptop, about the same as a customer's CAD server monster RAID.
LT spice performance is somewhat better than twice that of the server.
I have not yet tried the two SSDs as a RAID-0.
Plus, I'll be able to run CUDA code on the graphics card for
software defined radio.
So, please don't tell us that Dell is >2 years back.
regards, Gerhard
Jim Thompson
Oct 7, 2012, 6:40:13 PM10/7/12
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:18:50 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
wrote:
What operating system, Win7 ?
How do you like it? I fear biting that bullet :-(
wrote:
How do you like it? I fear biting that bullet :-(
Phil Hobbs
Oct 7, 2012, 6:56:37 PM10/7/12
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Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:18:50 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
> wrote:
>
> >Am 07.10.2012 21:06, schrieb TheQuickBrownFox:
> >
> >> EVGA makes MODERN dual CPU motherboards. Supermicro is like Dell. It
> >> is two year old technology the moment you buy it. With this, even more
> >> than 2 years.
> >
> >I'm writing this in a hotel room in Delphi, Greece, on a 17 month old
> >Dell Precision M6600 17" laptop. Nobody else had 6 GBit/s SATA, USB-3,
> >16 or 32 GB RAM, Core I7 vpro and such a display at that time.
> >I have replaced the iron disk first with a OCZ Vortex3 SSD and now both
> >drives are 512 GB Samsung 830 SSDs. Plugged them in and they worked.
> >Both the OCZ and the Samsungs give about 500 MBytes/s transfer rate
> >in the laptop, about the same as a customer's CAD server monster RAID.
> >LT spice performance is somewhat better than twice that of the server.
> >
> >I have not yet tried the two SSDs as a RAID-0.
> >Plus, I'll be able to run CUDA code on the graphics card for
> >software defined radio.
> >
> >So, please don't tell us that Dell is >2 years back.
> >
> >regards, Gerhard
>
> What operating system, Win7 ?
>
> How do you like it? I fear biting that bullet :-(
Works well for me, except that I have a few DOS programs that I still
>
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:18:50 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
> wrote:
>
> >Am 07.10.2012 21:06, schrieb TheQuickBrownFox:
> >
> >> EVGA makes MODERN dual CPU motherboards. Supermicro is like Dell. It
> >> is two year old technology the moment you buy it. With this, even more
> >> than 2 years.
> >
> >I'm writing this in a hotel room in Delphi, Greece, on a 17 month old
> >Dell Precision M6600 17" laptop. Nobody else had 6 GBit/s SATA, USB-3,
> >16 or 32 GB RAM, Core I7 vpro and such a display at that time.
> >I have replaced the iron disk first with a OCZ Vortex3 SSD and now both
> >drives are 512 GB Samsung 830 SSDs. Plugged them in and they worked.
> >Both the OCZ and the Samsungs give about 500 MBytes/s transfer rate
> >in the laptop, about the same as a customer's CAD server monster RAID.
> >LT spice performance is somewhat better than twice that of the server.
> >
> >I have not yet tried the two SSDs as a RAID-0.
> >Plus, I'll be able to run CUDA code on the graphics card for
> >software defined radio.
> >
> >So, please don't tell us that Dell is >2 years back.
> >
> >regards, Gerhard
>
> What operating system, Win7 ?
>
> How do you like it? I fear biting that bullet :-(
use, which it won't run. (Freelance 4.0 is the biggest problem.) I
have an XP virtual machine on my Supermicro box to handle that sort of
stuff.
Win7 also has an 'XP mode' feature, but it won't run on my standard
laptops.
TheQuickBrownFox
Oct 7, 2012, 8:02:30 PM10/7/12
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As CPUs go, the winner in that race would be, even after being four
years old, the Cell CPU.
I am sorry, but a 20 ms spice sim calculation and a 17 ms calc of the
same sim is not enough to make me decide for the latter.
I have a feeling that modern Intel CPUs beat AMD.
THEN there is the chipset, and supporting Hdw thing too.
Phil Hobbs
Oct 7, 2012, 8:04:18 PM10/7/12
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sustained bandwidth to main memory? FDTD cycles through all of memory
twice per time step.
TheQuickBrownFox
Oct 7, 2012, 8:10:25 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 13:17:11 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>Yup. The real test is simulation. Intel runs all over AMD with toy
>apps. AMD kills Intel when it comes to Spice.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Total horseshit.
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>Yup. The real test is simulation. Intel runs all over AMD with toy
>apps. AMD kills Intel when it comes to Spice.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
You have been eating moldy Rye bread.
TheQuickBrownFox
Oct 7, 2012, 8:16:11 PM10/7/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:04:18 -0400, Phil Hobbs
sim circuit where the array requires a 32 GB RAM space to be ran in.
What a ridiculous claim.
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>TheQuickBrownFox wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:09:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >How much heavy duty floating point do you do in a day? Have you done
>> >any actual benchmarks for floating point performance between Intel and
>> >AMD?
>> >
>> >
>> >Cheers
>> >
>> >Phil Hobbs
>>
>> My video card does better performance than either.
>>
>> As CPUs go, the winner in that race would be, even after being four
>> years old, the Cell CPU.
>>
>> I am sorry, but a 20 ms spice sim calculation and a 17 ms calc of the
>> same sim is not enough to make me decide for the latter.
>>
>> I have a feeling that modern Intel CPUs beat AMD.
>>
>> THEN there is the chipset, and supporting Hdw thing too.
>
>Your video card can't address 32 GB of memory. What's its maximum
>sustained bandwidth to main memory? FDTD cycles through all of memory
>twice per time step.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
I'm sorry, but you do not now, nor will you ever have in the future, a
>TheQuickBrownFox wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:09:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >How much heavy duty floating point do you do in a day? Have you done
>> >any actual benchmarks for floating point performance between Intel and
>> >AMD?
>> >
>> >
>> >Cheers
>> >
>> >Phil Hobbs
>>
>> My video card does better performance than either.
>>
>> As CPUs go, the winner in that race would be, even after being four
>> years old, the Cell CPU.
>>
>> I am sorry, but a 20 ms spice sim calculation and a 17 ms calc of the
>> same sim is not enough to make me decide for the latter.
>>
>> I have a feeling that modern Intel CPUs beat AMD.
>>
>> THEN there is the chipset, and supporting Hdw thing too.
>
>Your video card can't address 32 GB of memory. What's its maximum
>sustained bandwidth to main memory? FDTD cycles through all of memory
>twice per time step.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
sim circuit where the array requires a 32 GB RAM space to be ran in.
What a ridiculous claim.
Phil Hobbs
Oct 7, 2012, 8:54:32 PM10/7/12
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TheQuickBrownFox
Oct 7, 2012, 10:29:39 PM10/7/12
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transfers between video and main RAM as fast as it gets.
They use video cards cores for protein modeling, and seti comm data
parsing. I think they can handle a petty OR a complex circuit sim.
Michael A. Terrell
Oct 7, 2012, 11:48:13 PM10/7/12
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John Larkin wrote:
>
> That's a lot of money for playing video games.
Gerhard Hoffmann
Oct 8, 2012, 2:46:14 AM10/8/12
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Am 08.10.2012 00:40, schrieb Jim Thompson:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:18:50 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
>
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:18:50 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
>
> What operating system, Win7 ?
>
> How do you like it? I fear biting that bullet :-(
It came with Win7, I now run Win7 / xubuntu 12.04 dual boot.
>
> How do you like it? I fear biting that bullet :-(
Win7 is mostly ignored.
Xilinx/Sigasi FPGA stuff runs natively under Linux, most other
CAD runs in the same XP virtual box that I use at home on
the workstation. Just 'import' a 50 Gig file to the
virtual box. No ado with licenses. It _is_ the same machine.
The C: partition contains ONLY installed programs; D: of the XP
can be seen as D: on win7 and as /d on Linux.
The machine has a drawback: it is quite heavy and can generate
some heat if one asks for it.
regards, Gerhard
MrTallyman
Oct 8, 2012, 8:29:00 AM10/8/12
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 08:46:14 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
wrote:
>Am 08.10.2012 00:40, schrieb Jim Thompson:
>> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:18:50 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
>>
>> What operating system, Win7 ?
>>
>> How do you like it? I fear biting that bullet :-(
>
>It came with Win7, I now run Win7 / xubuntu 12.04 dual boot.
>Win7 is mostly ignored.
Yeah, as shitty as the last two Ubuntu releases have been, I am sure you
are spending most of your time learning their 'new' 100% pathetic,
"Unity" 'desktop'.
Biggest mistake they ever made. Good luck with that.
XUBUNTU is far better.
to get it done.
Under Windows 7, non-natively, it takes a whole 5 ms longer.
Big deal.
> most other
>CAD runs in the same XP virtual box that I use at home on
>the workstation. Just 'import' a 50 Gig file to the
>virtual box. No ado with licenses. It _is_ the same machine.
I laugh at some of the running around you dorks who "hate Windows" go
out of your way to do. Absolutely pathetic.
>The C: partition contains ONLY installed programs; D: of the XP
>can be seen as D: on win7 and as /d on Linux.
My machine has about 4TB of HD space, under about 15 partitions.
>The machine has a drawback: it is quite heavy and can generate
>some heat if one asks for it.
Sounds like a pre-multi-core POS.
wrote:
>Am 08.10.2012 00:40, schrieb Jim Thompson:
>> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:18:50 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
>>
>> What operating system, Win7 ?
>>
>> How do you like it? I fear biting that bullet :-(
>
>It came with Win7, I now run Win7 / xubuntu 12.04 dual boot.
>Win7 is mostly ignored.
are spending most of your time learning their 'new' 100% pathetic,
"Unity" 'desktop'.
Biggest mistake they ever made. Good luck with that.
XUBUNTU is far better.
>
>Xilinx/Sigasi FPGA stuff runs natively under Linux,
Big whoop. Under Linux the 'stuff' runs at whatever run time it takes
>Xilinx/Sigasi FPGA stuff runs natively under Linux,
to get it done.
Under Windows 7, non-natively, it takes a whole 5 ms longer.
Big deal.
> most other
>CAD runs in the same XP virtual box that I use at home on
>the workstation. Just 'import' a 50 Gig file to the
>virtual box. No ado with licenses. It _is_ the same machine.
out of your way to do. Absolutely pathetic.
>The C: partition contains ONLY installed programs; D: of the XP
>can be seen as D: on win7 and as /d on Linux.
>The machine has a drawback: it is quite heavy and can generate
>some heat if one asks for it.
Phil Hobbs
Oct 8, 2012, 10:30:57 AM10/8/12
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The bottleneck in FDTD is main memory bandwidth, because you're cycling
through all allocated memory many many times, so you get a lot of cache
misses. Good caching will help with the main memory latency, because
most accesses are to contiguous memory if you've coded it right.
Did you look up FDTD? What do you think about it?
JW
Oct 9, 2012, 6:38:45 AM10/9/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:56:37 -0400 Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in Message id:
<507208A5...@electrooptical.net>:
Somebody mentioned this a while back, but in case anybody missed it.
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/index.html
It gives Windows 7 (or 8) a more XP like feel.
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in Message id:
<507208A5...@electrooptical.net>:
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/index.html
It gives Windows 7 (or 8) a more XP like feel.
josephkk
Oct 10, 2012, 12:47:31 AM10/10/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 09:16:33 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
RAM, SSD) and we can do some timing tests. Not nearly as powerful as
P.Hobbs fast box but should be plenty ok.
?-)
josephkk
Oct 10, 2012, 12:54:31 AM10/10/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:09:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
For pretty much anyone here, that reduces to how much SPICE simulations do
you run. If it is a lot, AMD based machines may still have an advantage.
Otherwise not much difference, most anything since a 1.4 GHz P4 is
overkill unless wasted away by the OS and Desktop.
?-)
you run. If it is a lot, AMD based machines may still have an advantage.
Otherwise not much difference, most anything since a 1.4 GHz P4 is
overkill unless wasted away by the OS and Desktop.
?-)
josephkk
Oct 10, 2012, 1:00:56 AM10/10/12
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:30:57 -0400, Phil Hobbs
I presume you are aware you are talking to AlwaysWrong.
?-)
?-)
josephkk
Oct 10, 2012, 1:07:50 AM10/10/12
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>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
It is starting to sound like it is time for VirtualBox w/ qemu or whatever
else is needed.
Gerhard Hoffmann
Oct 10, 2012, 2:10:51 AM10/10/12
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Am 08.10.2012 14:29, schrieb MrTallyman:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 08:46:14 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 08:46:14 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
>> It came with Win7, I now run Win7 / xubuntu 12.04 dual boot.
--------------------------
>> Win7 is mostly ignored.
>
> Yeah, as shitty as the last two Ubuntu releases have been, I am sure you
> are spending most of your time learning their 'new' 100% pathetic,
> "Unity" 'desktop'.
>
> Biggest mistake they ever made. Good luck with that.
>
> XUBUNTU is far better.
-----------------------
>
> Yeah, as shitty as the last two Ubuntu releases have been, I am sure you
> are spending most of your time learning their 'new' 100% pathetic,
> "Unity" 'desktop'.
>
> Biggest mistake they ever made. Good luck with that.
>
> XUBUNTU is far better.
reading problems??
>
> My machine has about 4TB of HD space, under about 15 partitions.
And as much USB3-attached storage as I might want.
And 2 external sata-3 ports.
>
>> The machine has a drawback: it is quite heavy and can generate
>> some heat if one asks for it.
>
> Sounds like a pre-multi-core POS.
MrTallyman
Oct 10, 2012, 9:31:51 AM10/10/12
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:00:56 -0700, josephkk
<joseph_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>I presume
You sure do, you retarded little Zimmerman complex ridden bitch.
snipped totally retarded Joe_Seph_KKK stupidity.
You need to grow up, Joe_Seph_KKK. Your Nazi Stupidity is showing,
again.
The video card GPU engine would perform this task as well or better.
As for the PC, I use ECC RAM. It is an old machine.
Modern machines use DDR3 Quad arrays. Probably don't even need ECC.
Certainly don't seem to have the time for it.
Video cards have higher on-board memory bandwidth even than the slot
they are plugged into, much less the PC RAM on the other side of that.
Way faster. He mentioned bottlenecks. Put that in your brain domain,
<joseph_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>I presume
You sure do, you retarded little Zimmerman complex ridden bitch.
snipped totally retarded Joe_Seph_KKK stupidity.
You need to grow up, Joe_Seph_KKK. Your Nazi Stupidity is showing,
again.
The video card GPU engine would perform this task as well or better.
As for the PC, I use ECC RAM. It is an old machine.
Modern machines use DDR3 Quad arrays. Probably don't even need ECC.
Certainly don't seem to have the time for it.
Video cards have higher on-board memory bandwidth even than the slot
they are plugged into, much less the PC RAM on the other side of that.
Way faster. He mentioned bottlenecks. Put that in your brain domain,
Phil Hobbs
Oct 10, 2012, 12:14:14 PM10/10/12
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like technical discussion.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
Phil Hobbs
Oct 10, 2012, 12:16:38 PM10/10/12
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run stuff faster on multicore CPUs, unless there's something horribly
broken about it. That really only matters if you're doing dense
multidimensional sweeps, or looking at crystal oscillator startup
transients.
Phil Hobbs
Oct 10, 2012, 12:20:45 PM10/10/12
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resent losing that 2 inches off the top of my laptop screen. They don't
make those anymore, so I standardized on Thinkpad T42p-T43s. (Sort of
like Pease and his '68 VWs.) The T4x machines don't have the hardware
support for virtualization that you need for XP mode.
> It is starting to sound like it is time for VirtualBox w/ qemu or whatever
> else is needed.
VirtualBox, except that it doesn't run OS/2, which I'd still like to have.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
Oct 10, 2012, 1:38:20 PM10/10/12
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:20:45 -0400, Phil Hobbs
I'm not a big fan of 16:9, either. In fact it's the worst of the
possibilities. At least you *can* still get 16:10 monitors, though they're
pricey. I'm considering going the other direction; to a 12.6" convertible
laptop/tablet. I generally use an external monitor when I'm doing anything
for any period of time and the tablet feature seems to be a good option when
I'm mobile. The size certainly makes it more mobile.
possibilities. At least you *can* still get 16:10 monitors, though they're
pricey. I'm considering going the other direction; to a 12.6" convertible
laptop/tablet. I generally use an external monitor when I'm doing anything
for any period of time and the tablet feature seems to be a good option when
I'm mobile. The size certainly makes it more mobile.
josephkk
Oct 10, 2012, 11:35:36 PM10/10/12
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:14:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>>> Did you look up FDTD? What do you think about it?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Phil Hobbs
>>
>> I presume you are aware you are talking to AlwaysWrong.
>>
>> ?-)
>
>Mr many-nyms? Sure. However, I don't like to give up on people, and I
>like technical discussion.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
If only you (or anybody) could actually get that from AlwaysWrong. I tire
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>>> Did you look up FDTD? What do you think about it?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Phil Hobbs
>>
>> I presume you are aware you are talking to AlwaysWrong.
>>
>> ?-)
>
>Mr many-nyms? Sure. However, I don't like to give up on people, and I
>like technical discussion.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
of the nastiness much too fast.
?-)
josephkk
Oct 10, 2012, 11:43:50 PM10/10/12
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months ago, 14 hours run time and i then killed it. Wasn't nearly as big
a computer as your dual 8 core.
?-)
Phil Hobbs
Oct 11, 2012, 12:34:14 AM10/11/12
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get along with people when you aren't trying to put them down.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
WoolyBully
Oct 11, 2012, 8:38:34 AM10/11/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:34:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>He and I get on fine, usually. It's amazing how much easier it is to
>get along with people when you aren't trying to put them down.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
99.99999999% of them drive like idiots in this state too.
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>He and I get on fine, usually. It's amazing how much easier it is to
>get along with people when you aren't trying to put them down.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
They claim to be so smart, so sophisticated, so civil. WRONG!
Yet the retarded, white line driving dumbshits can't
MOVE THE FUCK OVER when they go past someone in the bike lane they are
ENCROACHING on?
If a tractor trailer can drive down the center of the lane, and have two
feet between him and his left AND his right edge, NO CAR at all EVER
should be any closer to my lane than two feet. EVER!
It is pretty pathetic when some asswipe goes past me in a sports car
with three inches between him and me and 7 feet between him and the
goddamned lane divider to his left!
I call this pathetic behavior the perpetration of a crime! That crime
is WREKLESS OPERATION, and the goddamned, complacent, also committing the
same offenses piggery does NOTHING.
ALL OF THEM, from the idiots who sit right up next to the steering
wheel to the cell phone in the face asswipes to the cell phone in the
hand asswipes...
ALL of them need to be cited and jailed for reckless operation!
He is typical. I'll bet he drives like a goddamned retard too!
The affect of many of these dorks is easy to read. A lot of folks lost a
lot of character during the 'good years' this country had. Severe
character failings abound these days.
Pomegranate Bastard
Oct 11, 2012, 10:01:02 AM10/11/12
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:48:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> What else can dimmie do? No one would hire him.
Isn't she employed as a janitor?
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> What else can dimmie do? No one would hire him.
Michael A. Terrell
Oct 11, 2012, 10:37:11 PM10/11/12
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& cheaper. After all, Dimmie's in the land of Fruits & Nuts.
MrTallyman
Oct 12, 2012, 1:42:29 AM10/12/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:37:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
With the cracks you pull here, I'd bet that your affect in person is
just as abjectly stupid.
I hope your brain fucking rots, motherfucker. Put that on your coffee
table. My nail clippings have more integrity than you do.
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Pomegranate Bastard wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:48:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > What else can dimmie do? No one would hire him.
>>
>> Isn't she employed as a janitor?
>
>
> Who knows? In this economy they can get a Mexican who'll work harder
>& cheaper. After all, Dimmie's in the land of Fruits & Nuts.
Said the total retard who let a HUGE hole get eaten into his jaw.
>
>Pomegranate Bastard wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:48:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > What else can dimmie do? No one would hire him.
>>
>> Isn't she employed as a janitor?
>
>
> Who knows? In this economy they can get a Mexican who'll work harder
>& cheaper. After all, Dimmie's in the land of Fruits & Nuts.
With the cracks you pull here, I'd bet that your affect in person is
just as abjectly stupid.
I hope your brain fucking rots, motherfucker. Put that on your coffee
table. My nail clippings have more integrity than you do.
JW
Oct 12, 2012, 8:09:29 AM10/12/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 05:38:34 -0700 WoolyBully
<Wooly...@arcticicemasses.org> wrote in Message id:
<4ved78t94uqhijsai...@4ax.com>:
Well. That one certainly came out of left field. Or hyperspace.
<Wooly...@arcticicemasses.org> wrote in Message id:
<4ved78t94uqhijsai...@4ax.com>:
Pomegranate Bastard
Oct 12, 2012, 10:06:43 AM10/12/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:37:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
unemployable.
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Pomegranate Bastard wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:48:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > What else can dimmie do? No one would hire him.
>>
>> Isn't she employed as a janitor?
>
>
> Who knows? In this economy they can get a Mexican who'll work harder
>& cheaper. After all, Dimmie's in the land of Fruits & Nuts.
There's nobody cheaper than Nymbecile, but she'll still be
>
>Pomegranate Bastard wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:48:13 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > What else can dimmie do? No one would hire him.
>>
>> Isn't she employed as a janitor?
>
>
> Who knows? In this economy they can get a Mexican who'll work harder
>& cheaper. After all, Dimmie's in the land of Fruits & Nuts.
unemployable.
Michael A. Terrell
Oct 12, 2012, 10:53:05 AM10/12/12
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