Debate

[brent]

I certainly enjoyed the debate the other night. How refreshing that
the moderator did not limit the debate to the democrat talking points
(e.g... war on women and 47%)! I have known in my gut that president
empty chair is not very bright and it was ENJOYABLE to see him raw and
exposed without the media infrastructure propping him up. Watching
MSNBC after the debate had me giggling like a teenage girl all night
long.

[John Larkin]

Yeah, it is fun to see the liberal press (~~95% of the press)
squirming.

http://www.gocomics.com/badreporter

(link may change daily)

Now that he has his teleprompter fired up, he's fighting back.

Who is Obama anyhow? He reads teleprompters. Who writes that stuff?
It's like he's a robot fronting for some unknown evil genius. It's
hilarious when he speaks to the NAACP. He uses a ludicrous mashup of
ebonics and hill-billy accents, and keeps forgetting to do that now
and then.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser drivers and controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

[Lord Valve]

...

However anyone wants to spin it, this fact abides:
Romney could step into the CEO spot of any major
corporation on this planet and be up to speed in
less than a week. O'Butthole, on the other hand,
wouldn't even be qualified to work in the mail room.
And since the business of America is business...
well, you'd think even libtards could figure it out,
but despite their constant claims of mental superiority,
they're still buying that lame hopey-changey horseshit.

<shrug>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Life in the People's Republic of Obamastan's fuckin' grand,
ain't it?

Change *is* coming. Hope you assholes can take it. If not,
enjoy the camps. 270 million people were murdered by leftists
in the last century. Think they're finished yet?

Think YOU are immune?

Got guns? BUY AMMO!

Lord Valve
American - so far

[brent]

On Oct 5, 3:30 pm, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT), brent
>

> <buleg...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> >I certainly enjoyed the debate the other night. How refreshing that
> >the moderator did not limit the debate to the democrat talking points
> >(e.g... war on women and 47%)! I have known in my gut that president
> >empty chair is not very bright and it was ENJOYABLE to see him raw and
> >exposed without the media infrastructure propping him up. Watching
> >MSNBC after the debate had me giggling like a teenage girl all night
> >long.
>
> Yeah, it is fun to see the liberal press (~~95% of the press)
> squirming.
>
> http://www.gocomics.com/badreporter
>
> (link may change daily)
>
> Now that he has his teleprompter fired up, he's fighting back.
>
> Who is Obama anyhow? He reads teleprompters. Who writes that stuff?
> It's like he's a robot fronting for some unknown evil genius. It's
> hilarious when he speaks to the NAACP. He uses a ludicrous mashup of
> ebonics and hill-billy accents, and keeps forgetting to do that now
> and then.
>
> --
>
> John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc
>

> jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot comhttp://www.highlandtechnology.com

>
> Precision electronic instrumentation
> Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
> Custom laser drivers and controllers
> Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
> VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro   acquisition and simulation

On my travels across the state line last week I bought $100 in
firecrackers and other fireworks( big spender-haha ). I am gonna
light them off all night long if Obama goes down.

I tried to get a bet placed on intrade, but it is too hard to get
money into them. Pretty much have to wire it in and then I decided
that it may be even harder to get it out. But last week you could
make $4000 on a $1000 bet (odds at 80% Obama--odds now are about 70%).

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 5, 10:08 pm, Lord Valve <detri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> brent wrote:
> > I certainly enjoyed the debate the other night. How refreshing that
> > the moderator did not limit the debate to the democrat talking points
> > (e.g... war on women and 47%)! I have known in my gut that president
> > empty chair is not very bright and it was ENJOYABLE to see him raw and
> > exposed without the media infrastructure propping him up. Watching
> > MSNBC after the debate had me giggling like a teenage girl all night
> > long.

Romney is a plausible liar, and they do do well with teenage girls and
other people who are relatively easy to deceive.

> However anyone wants to spin it, this fact abides:
> Romney could step into the CEO spot of any major
> corporation on this planet and be up to speed in
> less than a week.

Not in Germany, where the CEO is expected to know a fair bit about the
company's products and how they work, or in fact any place where the
CEO is expected to know anything about the company, as opposed to
reading stuff off a prompter and looking impressive.

> O'Butthole, on the other hand,
> wouldn't even be qualified to work in the mail room.

Wrong skin colour?

> And since the business of America is business...

Granting that the US has been running a massive balance of payments
deficit since Regan was president, the "business" of American now
seems to be borrowing money from other countries to pay for its
expensive oil habit.

> well, you'd think even libtards could figure it out,
> but despite their constant claims of mental superiority,
> they're still buying that lame hopey-changey horseshit.

On the other hand, Mitt Romney's claim to business expertise is a bit
thin. He didn't create new businesses, but rather turned around
failing businesses when he could - about half the projects that Bain
Capital took on in the 1990's didn't make them any money. The
successes more than paid for the failures, but it's an open question
whether the disorders that Romney could cure back then are the
disorders that are now troubling the U.S.A. let alone whether a
president has the same kind of leverage with a country that a venture
capitalist has with a failing company.

> <shrug>

>
> Life in the People's Republic of Obamastan's fuckin' grand,
> ain't it?
>
> Change *is* coming. Hope you assholes can take it.  If not,
> enjoy the camps. 270 million people were murdered by leftists
> in the last century.

I wonder where he got that number.

http://www.capitalismv3.com/2011/12/25/list-of-20th-century-genocides/

seems to think that his list totals up to 160 million, but by no means
all of the regimes involved were left-wing.

>  Think they're finished yet?

Mao and Stalin are both dead. The denialist attitude to global warming
has a lot in common with their approach to reality, and may yet kill
more people, but that's more a right-wing lunacy.

> Think YOU are immune?

This century's death roll will probably be dominated by the
consequences of run-away global warming, and electing Romney and Ryan
seems unlikely to slow that down at all.

> Got guns?  BUY AMMO!

Don't bother. Shooting people is not an effective way of killing
millions - for that you're much better off relying on starvation.
Having guns may protect you from starvation until you run out of
unarmed neighbours to shoot and eat, but it's probably not the best
way to invest your resources.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[spamtrap1888]

On Oct 5, 1:08 pm, Lord Valve <detri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> brent wrote:
> > I certainly enjoyed the debate the other night. How refreshing that
> > the moderator did not limit the debate to the democrat talking points
> > (e.g... war on women and 47%)! I have known in my gut that president
> > empty chair is not very bright and it was ENJOYABLE to see him raw and
> > exposed without the media infrastructure propping him up. Watching
> > MSNBC after the debate had me giggling like a teenage girl all night
> > long.
>
> ...
>
> However anyone wants to spin it, this fact abides:
> Romney could step into the CEO spot of any major
> corporation on this planet and be up to speed in
> less than a week.

Romney hasn't held a job in six years.He hasn't worked in private
enterprise in thirteen years (four years as government employee and
three working for a non-profit). He's going to need to get the rust
off before he can be productive again.

> O'Butthole, on the other hand,
> wouldn't even be qualified to work in the mail room.

I see Obama as name partner rainmaker for a law firm, or perhaps Chief
Justice of the Supreme Court, like Taft.

> And since the business of America is business...
> well, you'd think even libtards could figure it out,
> but despite their constant claims of mental superiority,
> they're still buying that lame hopey-changey horseshit.
>

The "job creators" have been doing fuckall for six years. Time for
them to get off their asses.

[Charles]

"Lord Valve" wrote in message news:506F3E40...@ix.netcom.com...

brent wrote:

> I certainly enjoyed the debate the other night. How refreshing that
> the moderator did not limit the debate to the democrat talking points
> (e.g... war on women and 47%)! I have known in my gut that president
> empty chair is not very bright and it was ENJOYABLE to see him raw and
> exposed without the media infrastructure propping him up. Watching
> MSNBC after the debate had me giggling like a teenage girl all night
> long.

...

However anyone wants to spin it, this fact abides:
Romney could step into the CEO spot of any major
corporation on this planet and be up to speed in
less than a week. O'Butthole, on the other hand,
wouldn't even be qualified to work in the mail room.
And since the business of America is business...
well, you'd think even libtards could figure it out,
but despite their constant claims of mental superiority,
they're still buying that lame hopey-changey horseshit.

What abides above is your opinion of two folks who are are both
accomplished, in their own right.

One is clearly better suited to lead good old U.S.A. AND, thanks be to
democracy, the voters will decide.

[Jim Thompson]

Interesting to note, you birdbrains are still out in full force... too
stupid to realize, if Obama crashes the economy, it'll be your type
that takes the lumps.

...Jim Thompson
--
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

[John Larkin]

Wrong, as usual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Inc.#History

Staples stores are fun.

[Joerg]

John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>

[...]

>> On the other hand, Mitt Romney's claim to business expertise is a bit
>> thin. He didn't create new businesses,
>

Baloney.


> Wrong, as usual.
>

Yup!

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Inc.#History
>
> Staples stores are fun.
>

I have yet to find a client lab where they don't have one of Staples'
"That was easy" buttons. It can really raise someone's hackles if you
come in, correct their loop stability issue they'd wrestled with for a
week, in 10 minutes or so, and then press that button. Of course as a
consultant you aren't supposed to press that button, ever.

At one place they even had them in Spanish.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

[Johann Klammer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLSlGmVrmuM

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:35:56 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

One of the challenges in your business is to not make your clients
feel stupid.

I'm having a battle right now. We built a box full of picosecond
stuff. It has seven boards in a rackmount aluminum enclosure and 68
connectors that go out to the world. Every board is multilayer and
every ground plane is hard bolted to the box through metal spacers and
every possible connector shell. It works great, rev A on all the
boards.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53724080/Tem2_Top.jpg

They are demanding that we spin it to float the grounds. They want a
3-part network everywhere we currently have a ground connection


chassis---------+---------4.7M---------+----------pcb ground plane
| |
| |
| |
+---20R-----10n--------+


which will put all our circuit grounds 200K or so off chassis ground.
The common-mode voltage of all our differential inputs and outputs
become time-dependant crap shoots, and some mishap in the field could
put our board common at line voltage or something. They claim our
scheme "creates ground loops" which is sort of like calling somebody a
racist or a Nazi: the accusation is enough. It's insane.

[Joerg]

John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:35:56 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>>> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> On the other hand, Mitt Romney's claim to business expertise is a bit
>>>> thin. He didn't create new businesses,
>> Baloney.
>>
>>
>>> Wrong, as usual.
>>>
>> Yup!
>>
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Inc.#History
>>>
>>> Staples stores are fun.
>>>
>> I have yet to find a client lab where they don't have one of Staples'
>> "That was easy" buttons. It can really raise someone's hackles if you
>> come in, correct their loop stability issue they'd wrestled with for a
>> week, in 10 minutes or so, and then press that button. Of course as a
>> consultant you aren't supposed to press that button, ever.
>>
>> At one place they even had them in Spanish.
>
> One of the challenges in your business is to not make your clients
> feel stupid.
>

Sometimes that's a challenge. Like once when I found that the values of
a lot of inductors and such in a design from someone were off ... by an
order of magnitude ... and that's what made it not work. That is very
tough to convey in a quiet way because eventually someone will notice
that "suddenly" the same circuit that never worked does, and it looks
the same as the old one.

> I'm having a battle right now. We built a box full of picosecond
> stuff. It has seven boards in a rackmount aluminum enclosure and 68
> connectors that go out to the world. Every board is multilayer and
> every ground plane is hard bolted to the box through metal spacers and
> every possible connector shell. It works great, rev A on all the
> boards.
>
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53724080/Tem2_Top.jpg
>

Nice. Except I wouldn't use the stick-on cable holders, they tend to
come off after a few years. I'd use good old lacing cord.

> They are demanding that we spin it to float the grounds. They want a
> 3-part network everywhere we currently have a ground connection
>
>
> chassis---------+---------4.7M---------+----------pcb ground plane
> | |
> | |
> | |
> +---20R-----10n--------+
>

Ghastly, ghastly.

>
> which will put all our circuit grounds 200K or so off chassis ground.
> The common-mode voltage of all our differential inputs and outputs
> become time-dependant crap shoots, and some mishap in the field could
> put our board common at line voltage or something. They claim our
> scheme "creates ground loops" which is sort of like calling somebody a
> racist or a Nazi: the accusation is enough. It's insane.
>

Well, there is stuff where I politely decline. This would be one such
case. It's almost the same as asking a car mechanic to put molasses into
the motor instead of 5W-30 oil because it's "more organic". If he has
good ethics he'll decline the job.

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:30:20 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>

I have been known to insist that the client sign-off on the way they
want it done. Often they'll panic and back down when they have to
assume responsibility.

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

You're an ignorant idiot, all you want is the GOP in control to increase the spending of your client base.

"Staples as one of the 50 largest low-wage employers in the US. The company has continued to turn high profits even in the recession, and its CEO made $8.8 million in 2011 (which was a 40 percent drop from what he made in 2010). And yet most of its nearly 33,000 employees make less than $10 per hour."

If Staples is what American business is about, it's time for this country hang it up.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/low-wages-romneys-go-example-business-success

Here's more about your success story:
"Staples Inc., Romney’s much-discussed business venture, also has been hit by a successful whistleblower (“qui tam”) action. In 2005, Staples paid $7.5 million to the federal government to settle a whistleblower “qui tam” lawsuit that the Justice Department joined.

Whistleblowers alleged that from 2000 to 2003 — while Romney was on Staples’ board of directors — Staples sold the federal government office supply products that were manufactured in China and Taiwan rather than in countries that have trade agreements with the U.S., as required by the company’s contract with the government. "

Here's more on your scam-artist, recent:
"One hundred seventy workers at a Sensata Technologies plant in Freeport, Illinois, of which Bain is the majority owner, are calling on Romney to help save their jobs from being shipped to China. The plant manufactures sensors and controls that are used in aircraft and automobiles, but has been dismantling and shipping the plant to China piece by piece, even as it requires the workers to train personally their Chinese replacements, who have been flown in by management. The workers in Illinois say their petition of 35,000 signatures, as well as their multiple visits to Romney’s headquarters, have fallen on deaf ears, so they’re taking their plea straight to Romney here at that Republican National Convention."

There's no end to all the shady underhanded dealings of these low lifes. And for a bunch of people claiming to be so independent and taking responsibility for themselves and less government spending, they sure do a LOT of business with the Federal government

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

On Friday, October 5, 2012 5:35:38 PM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

>
>
>
> This century's death roll will probably be dominated by the
>
> consequences of run-away global warming, and electing Romney and Ryan
>
> seems unlikely to slow that down at all.
>
>
>
> > Got guns?  BUY AMMO!
>
>
>
> Don't bother. Shooting people is not an effective way of killing
>
> millions - for that you're much better off relying on starvation.
>
> Having guns may protect you from starvation until you run out of
>
> unarmed neighbours to shoot and eat, but it's probably not the best
>
> way to invest your resources.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

-the Holodomor in Ukraine in the winter of 1932-1933, a man-made (Soviet) famine to crush the Ukrainian resistance to agricultural collectivization. Given the statistics of the average Ukrainian farm family, 80% of estimated 12 million deaths due to starvation were children. And Ukraine has the richest agricultural soil in Europe, it was known as the breadbasket of Europe. They also pulled the same thing in Kazakhstan at about the same time.

[brent]

Why do you think right wing "wacko's" want their guns? We will go
down with a fight and some dignity before we watch our kids starve to
death.

Can't happen here? Obama has taken us about two steps removed from
this crap. We used to be about 5 steps removed.

[miso]

It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
Willard did not create any jobs.

At the worst point, it was something like 28 lies in 38 minutes. It is
clear that somebody programmed the Willard-bot's USB flash drive to
pretend to be a moderate, but that lead to all the lies.

Well with unemployment down to 7.8%, Willard is toast.

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 2:09 am, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:35:56 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid>

I had to cope with ground loops and the noise involved in our
1988-1991 electron beam tester.

We made all our inputs and clocks differential, and I went to the
trouble of devising a differential video driver that took video output
across an isolation barrier without introducing any ground loops. Data
transfer was across a galvanically isolated TaxiChip interface.

Your customers probably aren't insane, but they will need to be rich
to get someone to re-engineer your system with effective isolation.

Just floating everything won't do it. You can buy BNC sockets with the
ground isolated from chassis, but floating the ground of SMA/SMB
connectors requires you to isolate a chunks of the case-work - messy
and bulky - and you've got to tie the metal to a safety ground with
something like inverse-parallel diodes.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 12:36 am, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> John Larkin wrote:
> > On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT),BillSloman
> > <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> On the other hand, Mitt Romney's claim to business expertise is a bit
> >> thin. He didn't create new businesses,
>
> Baloney.
>
> > Wrong, as usual.
>
> Yup!

Joerg is smarter than John Larkin, but English is not his first
language, and the exact meaning of the word "create" may have escaped
him. Finding the capital to support people who have had a good idea is
a useful - in fact a crucial - activity, but it's acting as a mid-wife
rather than a creator.

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Inc.#History

<snip>

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 12:25 am, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com>
wrote:

You'd like to think so, but if you had a better grasp of what words
mean you realise that your claim is - as usual - fatuous.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Inc.#History
>
> Staples stores are fun.

Perhaps, but the history you cite doesn't make Mitt Romney the creator
of that particular business. Bain Capital were the venture capitalists
that got it going, and deserve credit for recognising that the people
who created the business had had a good idea, but they were more
midwives than parents.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 3:44 am, brent <buleg...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 9:31 pm, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Friday, October 5, 2012 5:35:38 PM UTC-4,BillSlomanwrote:
>
> > > This century's death roll will probably be dominated by the
>
> > > consequences of run-away global warming, and electing Romney and Ryan
>
> > > seems unlikely to slow that down at all.
>
> > > > Got guns?  BUY AMMO!
>
> > > Don't bother. Shooting people is not an effective way of killing
>
> > > millions - for that you're much better off relying on starvation.
>
> > > Having guns may protect you from starvation until you run out of
> > > unarmed neighbours to shoot and eat, but it's probably not the best
> > > way to invest your resources.>

>

> > -the Holodomor in Ukraine in the winter of 1932-1933, a man-made (Soviet) famine to crush the Ukrainian resistance to agricultural collectivization. Given the statistics of the average Ukrainian farm family, 80% of estimated 12 million deaths due to starvation were children. And Ukraine has the richest agricultural soil in Europe, it was known as the breadbasket of Europe. They also pulled the same thing in Kazakhstan at about the same time.
>
> Why do you think right wing "wacko's" want their guns?  We will go
> down with a fight and some dignity before we watch our kids starve to
> death.

Dead is dead. Whether you've staved it off a few weeks by shooting and
eating your unarmed neighbours won't make a shred of difference to
your kid's survival, though it may turn them into psychotic lunatics
in the process.

As I said, buying guns and ammunition isn't going to be the best way
to invest your resources.

> Can't happen here?  Obama has taken us about two steps removed from
> this crap.  We used to be about 5 steps removed.

Care to list the steps? We could use some comic nonsense to lighten
the tone.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 12:14 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson is too pig-ignorant to realise
that Dubbya did crash the economy, Obama is doing what he can -
despite the activities of the Tea Party in Congress to get it going
again, and that nobody here seems to have suffered much from Dubbya's
crash, and would presumably be equally immune from the crash that Jim
fondly imagines that Obama has in petto (despite having got the
unemployment rate down to 7.8% this month).

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[brent]

The foundation of an economy rests on food and energy. On the energy
front Obama is doing everything possible to stymie energy production.
On the food front they are trying to regulate independent farmers out
of business. And that is just the start.

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

When it comes to government regulation, agriculture is one area where they have actually saved your butt 10x over. If it was up to an unbridled 'independent' farmer this country would have no topsoil left, these are the people who brought you the dust bowl and destroyed huge swaths of arable land in this country. The US Dept Agriculture, although less than ideal, is the undisputed world leader in research and promulgation of best agricultural practices. Most recently they are making fantastic strides in cover crop land rejuvenation technology that is vastly reducing the requirements for petroleum industry based fertilizers.

[brent]

Regulations from the 1930's that worked do not give justification to
continuous regulation that is harder and harder to follow.

In the debate Obama used as justification for today's gov't spending
programs that government started 150 years ago-- such as land grant
colleges. Of course, when the government had no government programs,
then the things that government chose to start 150 years ago
probably make sense. But rather than using programs started 150 years
ago to justify his cravings for more government spending, why not use
programs that were started more recently...like regulating what
athletes can eat in their high school? Or like raising cell phone
bills for working people so that people on welfare can have free cell
phones?

[Les Cargill]

While that is true, small yeoman farms were economically
obsolete by about 1920ish, but it took a while for that to be known.

Between WWI and the Ukrainian Famine, prices signalled much
higher than they "should" have. When that collapsed ( the final
insult to grain exports from the US was the Smoot-Hawley Tarriff )
the new equilibrium was very different. A lot
of the banking collapse in the Depression was farm infeasibility;
you had a Tonne of tiny banks that existed only to finance next
years' crop, and they accumulated to a fairly large loss of
estimated reserves.

> The US Dept
> Agriculture, although less than ideal, is the undisputed world leader
> in research and promulgation of best agricultural practices.

I'd have to agree. It ain't all Hank Kimball ( from the TV
show "Green Acres" ).

We also have a bizarre set of interlocking
subsidy & commodity markets arrangements that serve to keep price
lower *and* more stable then they could otherwise be. Those
grew up out of the Dust Bowl as well.

Back to Willard, he's ready to scrap all that. Yarg. It's ugly
but it works - like a legacy billing system. No telling
what will happen if it gets thrown out. We don't
really understand the problem it "solves", and what's there
has been patched repeatedly and now serves as a defacto
standard.

> Most
> recently they are making fantastic strides in cover crop land
> rejuvenation technology that is vastly reducing the requirements for
> petroleum industry based fertilizers.
>

--
Les Cargill

[bloggs.fred...@gmail.com]

That's where you're wrong. Disasters such as the dustbowl reinforce the necessity for government oversight to prevent these kinds of things before they occur and not afterwards.

>
>
>
> In the debate Obama used as justification for today's gov't spending
>
> programs that government started 150 years ago-- such as land grant
>
> colleges. Of course, when the government had no government programs,
>
> then the things that government chose to start 150 years ago
>
> probably make sense. But rather than using programs started 150 years
>
> ago to justify his cravings for more government spending, why not use
>
> programs that were started more recently...like regulating what
>
> athletes can eat in their high school? Or like raising cell phone
>
> bills for working people so that people on welfare can have free cell
>
> phones?

Given that health care costs for long term chronic conditions are breaking the budget of this country, government regulation of consumer foods seems more than reasonable, it is now a necessity.

[speff]

Indeed.. Not embarrassing the customer is almost as important as getting the technical stuff right because it makes it more likely that your contribution will be continuing. I've been known to take things off to 'study' them ( really just triple - check and document and find a diplomatic way to explain things). No drama, just quietly make things work smoothly., and after a long flight and/or drive another few minutes is not going to make a difference. It's similar with subordinates, give them public credit when they do something good, and shield them from others when they f*** up, and deal with issues privately and diplomatically. Organizations are a bit like families.. all kinds of history and connections and motivations beneath the surface.

[Jim Thompson]

The 7.8% number is a bald-faced lie. 114K/month job creation is only
2/3 of that needed to cover new high school and college graduates.

But you nitwits will reelect Obama. Go for it. Depression and civil
war are good for a country... reset all values.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 06:22:44 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:

>On Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:06:59 AM UTC-4, brent wrote:
>> On Oct 6, 8:56 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>>

[snip]

>>
>> Regulations from the 1930's that worked do not give justification to
>>
>> continuous regulation that is harder and harder to follow.
>
>That's where you're wrong. Disasters such as the dustbowl reinforce the necessity for government oversight to prevent these kinds of things before they occur and not afterwards.
>

[snip]

Instead we have the Central Valley region of Californica made into a
dust bowl by government regulations to save what... isn't it some
stupid creature called the Snail Darter?

[John Larkin]

"Staples started with backing from private equity firms including Bain
Capital; Bain co-founder Mitt Romney served on the company's board of
directors for the next 15 years, helping shape their business
model.[6]"


How many businesses have you started, or financed, or sat on the board
of? What the hell is your expertise here?

(me: 2,1,3, plus informally helping a few get going. Right now I have
a startup cloud-app company upstairs in the back, next to the blueline
machine. They supplied their own desks and chairs. They sit there
quietly all day, typing Ruby or something. I still haven't figured out
what they are trying to do. http://www.otelic.com/ )


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators

Custom timing and laser controllers

Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links

VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <mi...@sushi.com> wrote:

>It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
>Willard did not create any jobs.
>

You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
airplane maker, and engineer.

It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
mostly vote Democrat.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc

www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators

Custom timing and laser controllers

Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links

[Jim Thompson]

Slowman can't even make a 555 oscillate ;-)

[John Larkin]

"Let's sell office supplies" is not in the class of, say, inventing
the transistor. An enterprise like Staples is about execution.

Most businesses, especially retail things like Staples, aren't started
or nurtured by one single person. It's a big effort, and people have
roles. It sounds like Mitt did a lot of good stuff, to do with the
concept, financing, and growth of Staples. He seems to be a hugely
productive and hugely generous person, the exact opposite of you and
Obama.

[John Larkin]

Bill Clinton started the boulder rolling down the hill when he
deregulated banking, canceling the Glass–Steagall Act, which had leant
decades of stability to the real estate market. W and others warned
Congress about the impending bubble and crash, obviously not loud
enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble


"In September 2003, at a hearing of House Financial Services
Committee, Congressman Ron Paul identified the housing bubble and
foretold the difficulties it would cause..."

In early 2006, President Bush said of the U.S. housing boom: "If
houses get too expensive, people will stop buying them... Economies
should cycle."[54]

Well, he wasn't all that articulate, but he had the concept down.

>Obama is doing what he can -

Like this?

http://tinyurl.com/cdhl7pq

And, like, over-spending a trillion dollars a year, currently being
borrowed at zero interest? This guy is a bubble factory.

[John Larkin]

Speaking of making things work, how's your triac-based standby power
thing coming along? Show us.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:00:34 -0700, John Larkin

Why should I show it when not showing it aggravates you so ?:-)

You haven't produced the inverter interstage capacitance, even though
I gave you enough hints that you should be able to simply write down
the answer. Why is that ?:-)

Real engineers who want answers...

To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com

[tm]

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:bck078ls3c3m2rpkn...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <mi...@sushi.com> wrote:
>
>>It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
>>Willard did not create any jobs.
>>
>>At the worst point, it was something like 28 lies in 38 minutes. It is
>>clear that somebody programmed the Willard-bot's USB flash drive to
>>pretend to be a moderate, but that lead to all the lies.
>>
>>Well with unemployment down to 7.8%, Willard is toast.
>
> The 7.8% number is a bald-faced lie. 114K/month job creation is only
> 2/3 of that needed to cover new high school and college graduates.
>
> But you nitwits will reelect Obama. Go for it. Depression and civil
> war are good for a country... reset all values.
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Really kinda shows miso's values, doesn't it. That plus the U6 was
unchanged.

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 6:29 pm, John Larkin

<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:35:51 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Oct 6, 12:36 am, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> John Larkin wrote:
> >> > On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT),BillSloman
> >> > <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> >> [...]
>
> >> >> On the other hand, Mitt Romney's claim to business expertise is a bit
> >> >> thin. He didn't create new businesses,
>
> >> Baloney.
>
> >> > Wrong, as usual.
>
> >> Yup!
>
> >Joerg is smarter than John Larkin, but English is not his first
> >language, and the exact meaning of the word "create" may have escaped
> >him. Finding the capital to support people who have had a good idea is
> >a useful - in fact a crucial - activity, but it's acting as a mid-wife
> >rather than a creator.
>
> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Inc.#History
>
> ><snip>
>
> "Staples started with backing from private equity firms including Bain
> Capital; Bain co-founder Mitt Romney served on the company's board of
> directors for the next 15 years, helping shape their business
> model.[6]"

Like paying their employees minimum wage? Venture capitalists do tend
to be represented on the board of the companies they finance, and are
notoriousy prone to steering the companies to maximise short term
gains rather than long term growth prospects.

> How many businesses have you started, or financed, or sat on the board
> of? What the hell is your expertise here?

Watching other people's start-ups from very close by. I worked for one
for a bit over a year - Fisons Applied Sensor Technology (1992-93)
which became Affinity Sensors about a year after I left - Fisons sold
it to Thermo Electron

http://www.bioportfolio.com/corporate/company/17573/Affinity-Sensors.html

and it subsequently folded. I got to hear a great deal about the
process of getting it off the ground.

I was also very well-informed about Lintech Instruments

http://bizzy.co.uk/uk/01295233/lintech-instruments

before it folded, and it's managing director - and moving spirit -
Graham Plows, who became technical director and my boss at Cambridge
Instruments after Lintech folded and I got on with the development
that Graham had screwed up at Lintech and managed to screw up again at
Cambridge Instruments. He was a smart guy, but ethically challenged,
and much more interested in developing instruments that were easy to
sell than in making them useful to the user after they'd been bought.
I never heard much about Lintech from him, but quite a lot from other
people with whom I worked at Cambridge Instrument before they moved to
Lintech.

> (me: 2,1,3, plus informally helping a few get going. Right now I have
> a startup cloud-app company upstairs in the back, next to the blueline
> machine. They supplied their own desks and chairs. They sit there
> quietly all day, typing Ruby or something. I still haven't figured out
> what they are trying to do.  http://www.otelic.com/ )

But you still don't seem to realise that having the idea and providing
the money to turn the idea into a product are very different
activities. Your capacity to be exposed to information and draw the
wrong conclusions from it has always been impressive.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:14:44 -0700, Jim Thompson

Because not showing it proves that you can't make it work.

>
>You haven't produced the inverter interstage capacitance, even though
>I gave you enough hints that you should be able to simply write down
>the answer. Why is that ?:-)

Because you don't know the answer yourself.

Sad old git.

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 6:35 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

That would be an impressive level of incompetence. Sadly for Jim's
already tattered credibility, it doesn't happen to be true.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[John Larkin]

It's impressive how many business and technology failures you have
been associated with. You sound like the kiss of death to me.

>
>I was also very well-informed about Lintech Instruments
>
>http://bizzy.co.uk/uk/01295233/lintech-instruments
>
>before it folded,

See what I mean?

and it's managing director - and moving spirit -
>Graham Plows, who became technical director and my boss at Cambridge
>Instruments after Lintech folded and I got on with the development
>that Graham had screwed up at Lintech and managed to screw up again at
>Cambridge Instruments. He was a smart guy, but ethically challenged,
>and much more interested in developing instruments that were easy to
>sell than in making them useful to the user after they'd been bought.
>I never heard much about Lintech from him, but quite a lot from other
>people with whom I worked at Cambridge Instrument before they moved to
>Lintech.
>
>> (me: 2,1,3, plus informally helping a few get going. Right now I have
>> a startup cloud-app company upstairs in the back, next to the blueline
>> machine. They supplied their own desks and chairs. They sit there
>> quietly all day, typing Ruby or something. I still haven't figured out
>> what they are trying to do.  http://www.otelic.com/ )
>
>But you still don't seem to realise that having the idea and providing
>the money to turn the idea into a product are very different
>activities.

Naturally. An enterprise need various talents. I'm no good at business
and finance stuff, so Rebecca does that. I'm not good at manufacturing
processes or tooling, so Paulo does that. Ditto FPGA design,
marketing, logistics, all sorts of stuff. Everybody should do what
they're good at. It's management's job to help them do that.

Your capacity to be exposed to information and draw the
>wrong conclusions from it has always been impressive.

My company is growing and hiring. You've been unemployed for a decade
or so, and, based on the kiss-of-death theory, that's good for
everybody else. I suppose we should thank you for not working.

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 6:34 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>
> You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
> dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
> airplane maker, and engineer.
>
> It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
> mostly vote Democrat.

Lots of people understand slightly more complex economics than you and
James Arthur - or the Mad Hatter's Tea Party - have mastered and are
correspondingly disinclined to vote Republican.

It's one of the benefits of educating the masses. We know why you
didn't get educated - you were too busy doing electronics. James
Arthur's ignorance may have more complicated roots - he could have
been frightened by a socialist during his formative years which might
have implanted a persistent set of irrational anxieties.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 5:46 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>
> >At the worst point, it was something like 28 lies in 38 minutes. It is
> >clear that somebody programmed the Willard-bot's USB flash drive to
> >pretend to be a moderate, but that lead to all the lies.
>
> >Well with unemployment down to 7.8%, Willard is toast.
>
> The 7.8% number is a bald-faced lie.  114K/month job creation is only
> 2/3 of that needed to cover new high school and college graduates.

So what. It's the same bald-faced lie that was circulated under
Dubbya.

James Arthur enjoys concocting his own unemployment statistics, and
can always find a statistic that supports his own point of view. Jim
is less numerically talented.

> But you nitwits will reelect Obama.  Go for it.  Depression and civil
> war are good for a country... reset all values.

Dubbya did his best, but the 2008 recession didn't provoke the civil
war that Jim Thompson is demented enough to hope for.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[spamtrap1888]

I don't know why conservatives admire men like Mitt, who swear to the
IRS annually that they performed no useful services the year before.

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:33:53 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Oct 6, 6:34 pm, John Larkin
><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
>> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>>
>> You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
>> dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
>> airplane maker, and engineer.
>>
>> It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
>> mostly vote Democrat.
>
>Lots of people understand slightly more complex economics than you and
>James Arthur - or the Mad Hatter's Tea Party - have mastered and are
>correspondingly disinclined to vote Republican.

I got A's in college Economics, and own a successful electronics
business. How about you? How's you economic skill working out for you?

Economics is simple, which is why so many economists, who relish the
complexities, are so bad at it.

>
>It's one of the benefits of educating the masses. We know why you
>didn't get educated - you were too busy doing electronics. James
>Arthur's ignorance may have more complicated roots - he could have
>been frightened by a socialist during his formative years which might
>have implanted a persistent set of irrational anxieties.

I've known James for some years, and he's not the type to be bothered
by anxieties. Or by cold weather: he always skis in short pants.

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 6:43 pm, John Larkin

The Staples web-site lists two. Neither of them is Mitt Romney.

> It's a big effort, and people have
> roles. It sounds like Mitt did a lot of good stuff, to do with the
> concept, financing, and growth of Staples.

He's a venture capitalist. He wants his investment to pay off. About
half the projects Bain got interested in in the 1990's paid off - the
other half didn't. Most start-ups fail, so Bain was doing better than
chance, but not impressively well.

> He seems to be a hugely productive and hugely generous person,

He's running for president - his PR machine will be spending heavily
to create that impression.

> the exact opposite of you and Obama.

In your expert opinion. Coupling me with Barak Obama is a slightly
bizarre juxtaposition. I was respectably productive as an electronic
engineer back when I could persuade people to hire me. Barak Obama had
an impressive political career which got him to a position where he
could become the Democratic contender for the presidency as a
relatively young man. That's a pretty productive political career.

As far as Romney's generosity goes, Bain Capital seems to have been a
more than usually money-grubbing set of venture capitalists. Romney
may have spent some of his ill-gotten gains on buying a good public
image, but that's an investment rather than disinterested generosity.

You don't seem to have much grasp of simple political economics, also
known as how to buy votes.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[John Larkin]

Yeah, the bum keeps doing stuff like this...

"Before Romney took the position, the event was running $379 million
short of its revenue goals.[144] Officials had made plans to scale
back the Games to compensate for the fiscal crisis, and there were
fears it might be moved away entirely.[145] Additionally, the image of
the Games had been damaged by allegations of bribery against top
officials including prior committee president and CEO Frank Joklik.
The Salt Lake Organizing Committee forced Joklik and committee vice
president Dave Johnson to resign.[146] Utah power brokers chose Romney
based on his business and legal expertise as well as his connections
to both the LDS Church and the state.[143] The appointment faced some
initial criticism from non-Mormons, and fears from Mormons, that it
represented cronyism or made the Games seem too Mormon-dominated.[38]
Romney donated to charity the $1.4 million in salary and severance
payments he received for his three years as president and CEO, and
also contributed $1 million to the Olympics.[147][147]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney#2002_Winter_Olympics

What a terrible, greedy guy.

[John Larkin]

The ones who did seemed mostly to fail.

Barak Obama had
>an impressive political career which got him to a position where he
>could become the Democratic contender for the presidency as a
>relatively young man. That's a pretty productive political career.

Please explain the concept "productive political career."

>
>As far as Romney's generosity goes, Bain Capital seems to have been a
>more than usually money-grubbing set of venture capitalists. Romney
>may have spent some of his ill-gotten gains on buying a good public
>image, but that's an investment rather than disinterested generosity.

Idiot. You don't understand either productivity or generosity. Both
are alien to your nature.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:18:20 -0700, John Larkin

But I do... precisely. So who's the SICK sad old git ?:-)

[brent]

Conservatives have not admired Mitt. He was the last choice for
conservatives. If you understood conservatives you would know that.
But, as witnessed by the people jumping to their death in the world
trade center, when you are on fire you take anything else. Obama has
us on fire, and Mitt is what we get to jump into.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:40:51 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:

What a phenomenal display of ignorance! Are you related to Slowman?
Don't bother replying... you be eliminated.

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:10:47 -0700, Jim Thompson

Sick? Not a bit. Well, a little hay fever now and then, easily
treated. I sure wish plants would be a little more discrete about
their personal lives.

If you know anything, or can get anything to work, you never show it.
What you do post is clumsy, like low power standby circuits that
dissipate a full watt for no sensible reason.

[spamtrap1888]

On Oct 6, 6:06 am, brent <buleg...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 8:56 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > On Saturday, October 6, 2012 7:37:04 AM UTC-4, brent wrote:

> > > On Oct 6, 4:48 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 6, 12:14 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
>

> > > > Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
> > > > > <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > > > > >On Oct 5, 1:08 pm, Lord Valve <detri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >> brent wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > I certainly enjoyed the debate the other night. How refreshing that
>
> > > > > >> > the moderator did not limit the debate to the democrat talking points
>
> > > > > >> > (e.g... war on women and 47%)! I have known in my gut that president
>
> > > > > >> > empty chair is not very bright and it was ENJOYABLE to see him raw and
>
> > > > > >> > exposed without the media infrastructure propping him up. Watching
>
> > > > > >> > MSNBC after the debate had me giggling like a teenage girl all night
>
> > > > > >> > long.
>

> > > > > >> ...

>
> > > > > >> However anyone wants to spin it, this fact abides:
>
> > > > > >> Romney could step into the CEO spot of any major
>
> > > > > >> corporation on this planet and be up to speed in
>
> > > > > >> less than a week.
>

> > > > > >Romney hasn't held a job in six years.He hasn't worked in private
>
> > > > > >enterprise in thirteen years (four years as government employee and
>
> > > > > >three working for a non-profit).  He's going to need to get the rust
>
> > > > > >off before he can be productive again.
>

> > > > > >> O'Butthole, on the other hand,
>
> > > > > >> wouldn't even be qualified to work in the mail room.
>

> > > > > >I see Obama as name partner rainmaker for a law firm, or perhaps Chief
>
> > > > > >Justice of the Supreme Court, like Taft.
>

> > > > > >> And since the business of America is business...
>

> > > > > >> well, you'd think even libtards could figure it out,
>
> > > > > >> but despite their constant claims of mental superiority,
>
> > > > > >> they're still buying that lame hopey-changey horseshit.
>

> > > > > >The "job creators" have been doing fuckall for six years. Time for
>
> > > > > >them to get off their asses.
>
> > > > > Interesting to note, you birdbrains are still out in full force... too
>
> > > > > stupid to realize, if Obama crashes the economy, it'll be your type
>
> > > > > that takes the lumps.
>
> > > > Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson is too pig-ignorant to realise
>

> > > > that Dubbya did crash the economy, Obama is doing what he can -
>
> > > > despite the activities of the Tea Party in Congress to get it going
>
> > > > again, and that nobody here seems to have suffered much from Dubbya's
>
> > > > crash, and would presumably be equally immune from the crash that Jim
>
> > > > fondly imagines that Obama has in petto (despite having got the
>
> > > > unemployment rate down to 7.8% this month).
>
> > > > --
>
> > > > Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
>
> > > The foundation of an economy rests on food and energy.  On the energy
>
> > > front Obama is doing everything possible to stymie energy production.
>
> > > On the food front they are trying to regulate independent farmers out
>
> > > of business.  And that is just the start.
>
> > When it comes to government regulation, agriculture is one area where they have actually saved your butt 10x over. If it was up to an unbridled 'independent' farmer this country would have no topsoil left, these are the people who brought you the dust bowl and destroyed huge swaths of arable land in this country. The US Dept Agriculture, although less than ideal, is the undisputed world leader in research and promulgation of best agricultural practices. Most recently they are making fantastic strides in cover crop land rejuvenation technology that is vastly reducing the requirements for petroleum industry based fertilizers.

>
> Regulations from the 1930's that worked do not give justification to
> continuous regulation that is harder and harder to follow.
>

> In the debate Obama used as justification for today's gov't spending
> programs that government started 150 years ago-- such as land grant
> colleges.  Of course, when the government had no government programs,
> then the things that government   chose to start 150 years ago
> probably make sense.  But rather than using programs started 150 years
> ago to justify his cravings for more government spending, why not use
> programs that were started more recently...like regulating what
> athletes can eat in their high school?  Or like raising cell phone
> bills for working people so that people on welfare can have free cell
> phones?

Cell phones are not free to anyone.
Universal phone service has been the goal since 1934. Phone bills have
subsidized phone service for those who couldn't afford it ever since.

Over 90% of Americans have cell phones.

Only 70% of Americans still have landlines.

[brent]

On Oct 6, 3:26 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Cell phones are not free to anyone.

You are a troll and not interested in any real discussion.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:18:22 -0700, John Larkin

And all you do is throw sand in the air... hoping for a good guess. If
you paid attention to technical posts you'd know I abandoned the
depletion FET because of the wide Idss range.

The dissipation goes from ~300mW up to 1.7W at the worst-case corner.
I have no idea what your fairy "no sensible reason" statement means...
the sensible reason is that the manufacture's guaranteed range is too
wide for a 20mA net load.

Where's that calculation (actually just a write-down-the-answer) for
the inverter interstage capacitance? Can't do it can you... even
after all the hints I gave you... what an amateur ;-)

[spamtrap1888]

On Oct 6, 8:46 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>

> >At the worst point, it was something like 28 lies in 38 minutes. It is
> >clear that somebody programmed the Willard-bot's USB flash drive to
> >pretend to be a moderate, but that lead to all the lies.
>
> >Well with unemployment down to 7.8%, Willard is toast.
>
> The 7.8% number is a bald-faced lie.

And the other 30 months were God's own truth?

The BLS statisticians get paid the same no matter what party the
President belongs to.

> 114K/month job creation is only
> 2/3 of that needed to cover new high school and college graduates.

So we need to quit coddling the "job creators" who have failed
miserably. Might as well raise their taxes, and start paying down the
debt.

>
> But you nitwits will reelect Obama.  Go for it.  Depression and civil
> war are good for a country... reset all values.

What party did Hoover belong to? How about Coolidge and Harding?

[spamtrap1888]

On Oct 6, 8:51 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 06:22:44 -0700 (PDT),
>
> bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:

> >On Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:06:59 AM UTC-4, brent wrote:
> >> On Oct 6, 8:56 am, bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:
>

> [snip]

>
> >> Regulations from the 1930's that worked do not give justification to
>
> >> continuous regulation that is harder and harder to follow.
>

> >That's where you're wrong. Disasters such as the dustbowl reinforce the necessity for government oversight to prevent these kinds of things before they occur and not afterwards.
>
> [snip]
>
> Instead we have the Central Valley region of Californica made into a
> dust bowl by government regulations to save what... isn't it some
> stupid creature called the Snail Darter?
>

There are more people than there is water.

Big drought in the red Midwest states this year -- I guess God is
punishing conservatives for warming up His earth.

[spamtrap1888]

On Oct 6, 9:34 am, John Larkin

<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>

> You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
> dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
> airplane maker, and engineer.
>
> It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
> mostly vote Democrat.
>

They naively believe that they should be able to house, feed, and
clothe themselves on what they can earn working 40 hours a week.


Slavery ended in America because it cost too much -- you had to house,
feed, and clothe the slaves the year around.

[spamtrap1888]

On Oct 6, 9:57 am, John Larkin

The housing bubble was the only thing that gave the GWB years the
illusion of prosperity. I pity anyone who bought a new house or took
out a HELOC during the 2000s.

Any article on the housing bubble that doesn't quote Janet Tavakoli is
worthless. Here, educate yourselves:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/fraud-as-a-business-model_b_950806.html?ir=Yahoo

>
> >Obama is doing what he can -
>
> Like this?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cdhl7pq

The borrowers were equally creditworthy whether they bought a house in
a black community or in a white community, you gump. Citibank simply
refused to make mortgages where black people lived.

>
> And, like, over-spending a trillion dollars a year, currently being
> borrowed at zero interest? This guy is a bubble factory.
>

Bush took all the cash out of the sugar bowl to play Army and give
money to his buddies. Now that the wolf is at the door, Obama needs
money for bullets.

[spamtrap1888]

On Oct 6, 10:58 am, John Larkin

I'm glad Mitt found a hobby back in 1999. But back then he took a
leave of absence from Bain Capital. Now he's been lazing in the
hammock since 2006. Surely he could have been doing something
productive in the meantime.

But if directing the Winter Olympics shows aptitude for being
President of the US, then Sebby Coe's successful leadership of the
Summer Olympics qualifies him to be Emperor of the Entire World.

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Oct 6, 11:46 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>

> >At the worst point, it was something like 28 lies in 38 minutes. It is
> >clear that somebody programmed the Willard-bot's USB flash drive to
> >pretend to be a moderate, but that lead to all the lies.
>
> >Well with unemployment down to 7.8%, Willard is toast.
>

> The 7.8% number is a bald-faced lie.  114K/month job creation is only

> 2/3 of that needed to cover new high school and college graduates.

We're adding a little over 1% per year population. With about 1/2 of
the population available for working (roughly correct), we'd need
about 1.5 million net jobs/year = 125,000 / month to keep up.

Likewise, we need about 1% GDP growth to keep up with population, and
another 2-3% to keep up with inflation to prevent us getting poorer.
That's not happening--Americans are getting poorer. The decline isn't
slowing, it's been accelerating.

You can avoid most of the subjective unemployment manipulations by
graphing the number of people *with* jobs. With a few clicks you can
graph the employment level here, from, say, 1998 to today: (series
LNS12000000)
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?bls

That graph's conservative--it counts temp and part-time O-jobs the
same as full-time jobs. Still, you'll see that it's waayyyy below
where it should be. PresBO claims all the up-swing, but the
inflection point and 4/5ths of the bounce came after the 2010 Tea
Party elections.

> But you nitwits will reelect Obama.  Go for it.  Depression and civil
> war are good for a country... reset all values.

That's seems imminent in Greece,and Iran.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/05/greek-prime-minister-society-disintegrate

America's different. People here still want to be free, and mostly
instinctively understand that government implements the opposite.

James Arthur

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Oct 6, 1:33 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 6:34 pm, John Larkin
>
> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> > >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> > >Willard did not create any jobs.
>
> > You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
> > dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
> > airplane maker, and engineer.
>
> > It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
> > mostly vote Democrat.
>
> Lots of people understand slightly more complex economics than you and
> James Arthur - or the Mad Hatter's Tea Party -  have mastered and are
> correspondingly disinclined to vote Republican.

Did you ever read The People's Economist, Paul Kurgman's primer on
economics? It's right up your alley.

Here's the installment on prices:
http://thepeoplescube.com/paul-krugman/economics-primer-14-prices-t350.html

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 6:57 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:48:44 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>
> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Oct 6, 12:14 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
> >Web-Site.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
> >> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >On Oct 5, 1:08 pm, Lord Valve <detri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >> brent wrote:
> >> >> > I certainly enjoyed the debate the other night. How refreshing that
> >> >> > the moderator did not limit the debate to the democrat talking points
> >> >> > (e.g... war on women and 47%)! I have known in my gut that president
> >> >> > empty chair is not very bright and it was ENJOYABLE to see him raw and
> >> >> > exposed without the media infrastructure propping him up. Watching
> >> >> > MSNBC after the debate had me giggling like a teenage girl all night
> >> >> > long.
>

> >> >> ...

>
> >> >> However anyone wants to spin it, this fact abides:
> >> >> Romney could step into the CEO spot of any major
> >> >> corporation on this planet and be up to speed in
> >> >> less than a week.
>

> >> >Romney hasn't held a job in six years.He hasn't worked in private
> >> >enterprise in thirteen years (four years as government employee and
> >> >three working for a non-profit). He's going to need to get the rust
> >> >off before he can be productive again.
>

> >> >> O'Butthole, on the other hand,
> >> >> wouldn't even be qualified to work in the mail room.
>

> >> >I see Obama as name partner rainmaker for a law firm, or perhaps Chief
> >> >Justice of the Supreme Court, like Taft.
>

> >> >> And since the business of America is business...

> >> >> well, you'd think even libtards could figure it out,
> >> >> but despite their constant claims of mental superiority,
> >> >> they're still buying that lame hopey-changey horseshit.
>

> >> >The "job creators" have been doing fuckall for six years. Time for
> >> >them to get off their asses.
>
> >> Interesting to note, you birdbrains are still out in full force... too
> >> stupid to realize, if Obama crashes the economy, it'll be your type
> >> that takes the lumps.
>
> >Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson is too pig-ignorant to realise
> >that Dubbya did crash the economy,
>
> Bill Clinton started the boulder rolling down the hill when he
> deregulated banking, canceling the Glass Steagall Act, which had leant
> decades of stability to the real estate market. W and others warned
> Congress about the impending bubble and crash, obviously not loud
> enough.

I'm an Australian living in Europe, but even I know that while Bill
Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that deregulated banking,
the three senators that sponsored the act were all Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble
>
> "In September 2003, at a hearing of House Financial Services
> Committee, Congressman Ron Paul identified the housing bubble and
> foretold the difficulties it would cause..."
>
> In early 2006, President Bush said of the U.S. housing boom: "If
> houses get too expensive, people will stop buying them... Economies
> should cycle."[54]
>
> Well, he wasn't all that articulate, but he had the concept down.

But he didn't do anything about it.

> >Obama is doing what he can -
>
> Like this?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cdhl7pq

Curiously, the CRA-supported loans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

which Citibank should have been making to Obama's clients, survived
the 2008 crash more or less unscathed. It was the banks who made loans
that didn't qualify for CRA protection who blew up the housing price
bubble and generated huge losses when their unprotected loans went
sour.

> And, like, over-spending a trillion dollars a year, currently being
> borrowed at zero interest? This guy is a bubble factory.

It's called Keynesian deficit-financed stimulation. It's not working
as well as it should because the idiot Republicans in your congress
can't stomach the idea of concentrating the stimulus money on the poor
- who can be relied on to spend it, but don't vote for Republicans.
Instead most of it is ending up being used to make banks feel more
secure, which doesn't stimulate the economy anything like as
efficiently.

You seem to get your economic insights from James Arthur, and while
he's well-informed, he's got a very perverse way of interpreting the
information he has access to.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Oct 6, 12:34 pm, John Larkin

<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>
> You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
> dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
> airplane maker, and engineer.
>
> It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
> mostly vote Democrat.

"Progressives" think wealth is a zero-sum game, and redistribution is
over-unity. They've clearly not fully mapped that out.

That's why their scheme is ultimately regressive, and, as it fails,
authoritarian and repressive.

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:32:56 -0700, Jim Thompson

Before or after I pointed out that problem?

>
>The dissipation goes from ~300mW up to 1.7W at the worst-case corner.
>I have no idea what your fairy "no sensible reason" statement means...
>the sensible reason is that the manufacture's guaranteed range is too
>wide for a 20mA net load.

It was the silly gate driver section that dissipated a watt, *after*
the fet was turned off by the main supply.

>
>Where's that calculation (actually just a write-down-the-answer) for
>the inverter interstage capacitance? Can't do it can you... even
>after all the hints I gave you... what an amateur ;-)

I don't do chip design, as you don't do discrete design.

But I do provide answers when I can, and you never do. You just keep
doing dodges, like "left to the student" or "email me privately so
Larkin can't see it."

We know the real reason: you are all dried up.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

>On Oct 6, 11:46 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
>Web-Site.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
>> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>>
>> >At the worst point, it was something like 28 lies in 38 minutes. It is
>> >clear that somebody programmed the Willard-bot's USB flash drive to
>> >pretend to be a moderate, but that lead to all the lies.
>>
>> >Well with unemployment down to 7.8%, Willard is toast.
>>
>> The 7.8% number is a bald-faced lie.  114K/month job creation is only
>> 2/3 of that needed to cover new high school and college graduates.
>
>We're adding a little over 1% per year population. With about 1/2 of
>the population available for working (roughly correct), we'd need
>about 1.5 million net jobs/year = 125,000 / month to keep up.

I guess my 180K/month remembrance was from Bush days ;-)

>
>Likewise, we need about 1% GDP growth to keep up with population, and
>another 2-3% to keep up with inflation to prevent us getting poorer.
>That's not happening--Americans are getting poorer. The decline isn't
>slowing, it's been accelerating.
>
>You can avoid most of the subjective unemployment manipulations by
>graphing the number of people *with* jobs. With a few clicks you can
>graph the employment level here, from, say, 1998 to today: (series
>LNS12000000)
> http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?bls
>
>That graph's conservative--it counts temp and part-time O-jobs the
>same as full-time jobs. Still, you'll see that it's waayyyy below
>where it should be. PresBO claims all the up-swing, but the
>inflection point and 4/5ths of the bounce came after the 2010 Tea
>Party elections.
>
>> But you nitwits will reelect Obama.  Go for it.  Depression and civil
>> war are good for a country... reset all values.
>
>That's seems imminent in Greece,and Iran.
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/05/greek-prime-minister-society-disintegrate
>
>America's different. People here still want to be free, and mostly
>instinctively understand that government implements the opposite.
>
>James Arthur

Unfortunately I think we've reached the tipping point... more people
thinking there IS a free lunch, and clueless about
cost/where-does-it-come-from than those that can do the arithmetic.

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 12:38:52 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 6, 9:34 am, John Larkin
><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
>> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>>
>> You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
>> dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
>> airplane maker, and engineer.
>>
>> It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
>> mostly vote Democrat.
>>
>
>They naively believe that they should be able to house, feed, and
>clothe themselves on what they can earn working 40 hours a week.

If everybody joined a union and went on strike for $50 an hour, we'd
all be rich. Hell, make that $75. That's Democratic Economics.

>
>
>Slavery ended in America because it cost too much -- you had to house,
>feed, and clothe the slaves the year around.

Didn't the Civil War have something to do with that, too?

[John Larkin]

Like donating $3 million a year to charities? The bum!

>
>But if directing the Winter Olympics shows aptitude for being
>President of the US, then Sebby Coe's successful leadership of the
>Summer Olympics qualifies him to be Emperor of the Entire World.

What did Obama do to demonstrate leadership ability? Sue some banks?
Vote "present" in congress? Play a lot of golf?

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:23:39 -0700, John Larkin

Unlike you, I'm honest. I hadn't yet checked corners.

>
>>
>>The dissipation goes from ~300mW up to 1.7W at the worst-case corner.
>>I have no idea what your fairy "no sensible reason" statement means...
>>the sensible reason is that the manufacture's guaranteed range is too
>>wide for a 20mA net load.
>
>It was the silly gate driver section that dissipated a watt, *after*
>the fet was turned off by the main supply.

You conveniently ignore the "demo" part. That dissipation doesn't
exist.

>
>
>>
>>Where's that calculation (actually just a write-down-the-answer) for
>>the inverter interstage capacitance? Can't do it can you... even
>>after all the hints I gave you... what an amateur ;-)
>
>I don't do chip design,

Excuses, excuses. With my "stack" factor, all you need is on the data
sheet. Any ENGINEER will see it right away. You aren't an engineer
:-)

>as you don't do discrete design.

Not regularly, so I'm not up-to-date on what's available
off-the-shelf, but I do still spot issues missed by "experienced"
designers.

>
>But I do provide answers when I can, and you never do. You just keep
>doing dodges, like "left to the student" or "email me privately so
>Larkin can't see it."
>
>We know the real reason: you are all dried up.

Nope. Students are invited to E-mail, or even drop by. I have a
proven history of getting on well with young engineers. You have a
history of being an ass.

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:32:19 -0700, Jim Thompson

Sorry, I guess you hadn't Spiced it yet. It was obvious to me.

>
>>
>>>
>>>The dissipation goes from ~300mW up to 1.7W at the worst-case corner.
>>>I have no idea what your fairy "no sensible reason" statement means...
>>>the sensible reason is that the manufacture's guaranteed range is too
>>>wide for a 20mA net load.
>>
>>It was the silly gate driver section that dissipated a watt, *after*
>>the fet was turned off by the main supply.
>
>You conveniently ignore the "demo" part. That dissipation doesn't
>exist.

Why not? I guess electricity is free in Spice.

You did say that the circuit was "what I wound up with." Then, when it
turned out to be broken, it magically morphed into "demo."

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Where's that calculation (actually just a write-down-the-answer) for
>>>the inverter interstage capacitance? Can't do it can you... even
>>>after all the hints I gave you... what an amateur ;-)
>>
>>I don't do chip design,
>
>Excuses, excuses. With my "stack" factor, all you need is on the data
>sheet. Any ENGINEER will see it right away. You aren't an engineer
>:-)
>

Show us. Tell us how to compute the ESD diode capacitance, too.

>>as you don't do discrete design.
>
>Not regularly, so I'm not up-to-date on what's available
>off-the-shelf, but I do still spot issues missed by "experienced"
>designers.

Funny, you miss your own gross mistakes.

>
>>
>>But I do provide answers when I can, and you never do. You just keep
>>doing dodges, like "left to the student" or "email me privately so
>>Larkin can't see it."
>>
>>We know the real reason: you are all dried up.
>
>Nope. Students are invited to E-mail, or even drop by. I have a
>proven history of getting on well with young engineers. You have a
>history of being an ass.
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Post something real, not just bogus invitations to visit a tacky
hell-hole.

Dried up!

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:23:44 -0700 (PDT), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Exactly. They damage the people they claim to care about. They magnify
wealth disparities in the name of equality. They are too stupid to
realize how cruel they are; or maybe they really don't care.

Nancy Pelosi is worth at least $27 million, likely over $100 million.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:43:42 -0700, John Larkin
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:23:44 -0700 (PDT), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Oct 6, 12:34 pm, John Larkin
>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>>> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
>>> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>>>
>>> You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
>>> dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
>>> airplane maker, and engineer.
>>>
>>> It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
>>> mostly vote Democrat.
>>
>>"Progressives" think wealth is a zero-sum game, and redistribution is
>>over-unity. They've clearly not fully mapped that out.
>>
>>That's why their scheme is ultimately regressive, and, as it fails,
>>authoritarian and repressive.
>
>Exactly. They damage the people they claim to care about. They magnify
>wealth disparities in the name of equality. They are too stupid to
>realize how cruel they are; or maybe they really don't care.
>
>Nancy Pelosi is worth at least $27 million, likely over $100 million.

What part of the population of San Fransicko continues to re-elect
her?

[John Larkin]

So why did he sign it? And why did this friend of gay rights sign the
Defense of Marriage Act?

How can people spend their way to prosperity? Using borrowed money to
buy Chinese cell phones and Japanese cars and Saudi oil to fill their
pickup trucks?

Hey, if the government of Uganda printed money so that everyone could
buy big-screen TV sets, they would get rich, too.

>Instead most of it is ending up being used to make banks feel more
>secure, which doesn't stimulate the economy anything like as
>efficiently.

What stimulates an economy is productivity. We know, you're allergic
to productivity.

>
>You seem to get your economic insights from James Arthur,

No. I get my insights from creating jobs and wealth in an adverse
environment.

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 11:05 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 6, 11:46 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
>
> Web-Site.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:

<snipped the usual nonsense>

> America's different.  People here still want to be free, and mostly
> instinctively understand that government implements the opposite.

Quite a few brain-washed Republican supporters do seem to believe that
true freedom implies no government. No police force, no army, no
community-wide health care ...

James Arthur doesn't accept this as a logical consequence of his anti-
government attitudes. He more or less accepts the necessity for an
army and a police force, but seems to have some trouble with the idea
that dealing plagues and other infectious diseases does require a
community wide and community financed health service.

In reality, modern industrial societies require a lot of community-
based services, which have to be paid for by taxes. The Republicans
don't like paying taxes, and they particularly dislike taxes that bear
more heavily on the rich.

Under their influence, the US has a remarkably high level of economic
inequality for an advanced industrial country - a GINI index of 40.8%
- which correlates with a whole lot of social problems, which trouble
countries with lower GINI indexes - like Germany with 28.3% and Sweden
with 25% - a whole lot less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

It's rather like Prohibition - which filled the US with vie and crime,
but they liked it. Eventually the US had enough sense to dump
Prohibition. They haven't yet got enough sense to dump the war on
drugs, which is the same mistake applied to slightly less popular
recreational chemicals, and there doesn't seem to be any immediate
prospect that they are going to outlaw the Republicans, which would
probably be an even better idea.

Granting that people with lots of money are able to buy a lot more
influence on the outcome of US elections than the well off-in most
other advanced industrial countries, this isn't likely to change. The
people who are making a lot of money out of supplying recreational
drugs to the US population like the situation the way it is - they
aren't going to make nearly as much out of any more rational
arrangement. The Republicans like a set-up where they don't get
heavily taxed, and they are too stupid to realise that a smaller slice
of a larger pie would leave them better off.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:39:17 -0700, John Larkin

I had spiced, just not over corners.

Since you're so expert, which model parameter do you change to vary
Idss?

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>The dissipation goes from ~300mW up to 1.7W at the worst-case corner.
>>>>I have no idea what your fairy "no sensible reason" statement means...
>>>>the sensible reason is that the manufacture's guaranteed range is too
>>>>wide for a 20mA net load.
>>>
>>>It was the silly gate driver section that dissipated a watt, *after*
>>>the fet was turned off by the main supply.
>>
>>You conveniently ignore the "demo" part. That dissipation doesn't
>>exist.
>
>Why not? I guess electricity is free in Spice.

Absolutely! So is damage-free dissipation ;-)

>
>You did say that the circuit was "what I wound up with." Then, when it
>turned out to be broken, it magically morphed into "demo."
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Where's that calculation (actually just a write-down-the-answer) for
>>>>the inverter interstage capacitance? Can't do it can you... even
>>>>after all the hints I gave you... what an amateur ;-)
>>>
>>>I don't do chip design,
>>
>>Excuses, excuses. With my "stack" factor, all you need is on the data
>>sheet. Any ENGINEER will see it right away. You aren't an engineer
>>:-)
>>
>
>Show us. Tell us how to compute the ESD diode capacitance, too.

What? You don't know how?

>
>>>as you don't do discrete design.
>>
>>Not regularly, so I'm not up-to-date on what's available
>>off-the-shelf, but I do still spot issues missed by "experienced"
>>designers.
>
>Funny, you miss your own gross mistakes.

If I really did miss anything, why would my chip
first-time-out-of-the-box success rate be so high... it's ~99.7%

Can you match that? Of course not... your "design" method is
"optimization-by-tweak"

>
>>
>>>
>>>But I do provide answers when I can, and you never do. You just keep
>>>doing dodges, like "left to the student" or "email me privately so
>>>Larkin can't see it."
>>>
>>>We know the real reason: you are all dried up.
>>
>>Nope. Students are invited to E-mail, or even drop by. I have a
>>proven history of getting on well with young engineers. You have a
>>history of being an ass.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>Post something real, not just bogus invitations to visit a tacky
>hell-hole.
>
>Dried up!

At least I don't pimp my own asshole.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> Slowman can't even make a 555 oscillate ;-)

He does make them laugh...

[Jim Thompson]

Bwahahahahahaha! How does he do that? Tie Larkin across the output
?:-)

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Oct 6, 5:53 pm, John Larkin wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:18:45 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman wrote:
> >On Oct 6, 6:57 pm, John Larkin wrote:

> >> And, like, over-spending a trillion dollars a year, currently being
> >> borrowed at zero interest? This guy is a bubble factory.
>
> >It's called Keynesian deficit-financed stimulation. It's not working
> >as well as it should because the idiot Republicans in your congress
> >can't stomach the idea of concentrating the stimulus money on the poor
> >- who can be relied on to spend it, but don't vote for Republicans.
>
> How can people spend their way to prosperity? Using borrowed money to
> buy Chinese cell phones and Japanese cars and Saudi oil to fill their
> pickup trucks?

If you plot the GDP impulse response to the stimulus, the effect was
slight, and temporary. No lasting jobs or economic activity resulted,
contradicting Sloman's theory.

The main overall effect was debt, and pent-up inflation, waiting to be
unleashed.

With the debt weighing on everyone it's gonna be slow years ahead, at
best, assuming Obama's house of cards doesn't just outright fall on
President Romney.

James

[Michael A. Terrell]

spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> The BLS statisticians get paid the same no matter what party the
> President belongs to.

How is the BLS going to count those who have fallen off the back end?

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Oct 6, 5:55 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 11:05 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On Oct 6, 11:46 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
>
> > Web-Site.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>
> <snipped the usual nonsense>
>
> > America's different.  People here still want to be free, and mostly
> > instinctively understand that government implements the opposite.
>
> Quite a few brain-washed Republican supporters do seem to believe that
> true freedom implies no government. No police force, no army, no
> community-wide health care ...
>
> James Arthur doesn't accept this as a logical consequence of his anti-
> government attitudes. He more or less accepts the necessity for an
> army and a police force, but seems to have some trouble with the idea
> that dealing plagues and other infectious diseases does require a
> community wide and community financed health service.

Naturally, we need to adopt a communal, redistributive national
economy--it's the only possible way to raise $7 billion a year (the
CDC's annual budget) to prevent plagues and such.

I also agree that plough horses should be slaughtered, and golden
geese roasted. That way, everyone will have more.

And I agree that your "needs" and comforts, however infinite, should
be satisfied by other people slaving in their fields. Just a little
longer, if need be. It's for the common good.

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

>On Oct 6, 5:53 pm, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:18:45 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman wrote:
>> >On Oct 6, 6:57 pm, John Larkin wrote:
>
>> >> And, like, over-spending a trillion dollars a year, currently being
>> >> borrowed at zero interest? This guy is a bubble factory.
>>
>> >It's called Keynesian deficit-financed stimulation. It's not working
>> >as well as it should because the idiot Republicans in your congress
>> >can't stomach the idea of concentrating the stimulus money on the poor
>> >- who can be relied on to spend it, but don't vote for Republicans.
>>
>> How can people spend their way to prosperity? Using borrowed money to
>> buy Chinese cell phones and Japanese cars and Saudi oil to fill their
>> pickup trucks?
>
>If you plot the GDP impulse response to the stimulus, the effect was
>slight, and temporary. No lasting jobs or economic activity resulted,
>contradicting Sloman's theory.

Probably something like


/---\
--------/ \
\
\
\
\





which is sort of like shooting speed into your arm. Short-term boost,
long-term damage.

The problem with Keynesians is that they want to spend this year and
save in the future. Always.

>
>The main overall effect was debt, and pent-up inflation, waiting to be
>unleashed.

O can spend a trillion a year because effective interest rates are
zero. I'd borrow and spend if my interest rate was always going to be
zero! One day, lenders will get concerned, and stop lending at zero
per cent. Or China will decide to push the dollar button on us; who
needs nukes? Then everything will explode, like a
thousand-times-bigger version of Greece. Gotta borrow more and more,
just to pay the interest and refinance the loans coming due. That
pushes interest rates up. Lenders get scared, and that pushes interest
rates up. Just wait! The only way out is to renege on the debt by
printing money. That will of course hurt poor and retired people the
most. The smart money will do just fine off hyper-inflation.

You heard it here, as you heard about the European mess here.

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Oct 6, 9:14 am, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.com> wrote:
> bloggs.fredbloggs.f...@gmail.com wrote:

> > On Saturday, October 6, 2012 7:37:04 AM UTC-4, brent wrote:

> >> The foundation of an economy rests on food and energy.  On the
> >> energy
>
> >> front Obama is doing everything possible to stymie energy
> >> production.
>
> >> On the food front they are trying to regulate independent farmers
> >> out
>
> >> of business.  And that is just the start.
>
> > When it comes to government regulation, agriculture is one area where
> > they have actually saved your butt 10x over. If it was up to an
> > unbridled 'independent' farmer this country would have no topsoil
> > left, these are the people who brought you the dust bowl and
> > destroyed huge swaths of arable land in this country.
>
> While that is true, small yeoman farms were economically
> obsolete by about 1920ish, but it took a while for that to be known.

A book I have says the rate of propagation of farming innovation in
the Middle Ages was about one mile per year, IIRC.

--
Cheers,
James Arthur

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 18:06:16 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >>
> >> Slowman can't even make a 555 oscillate ;-)
> >
> >
> > He does make them laugh...
>
> Bwahahahahahaha! How does he do that? Tie Larkin across the output
> ?:-)

He just has to tell all his boring stories about tinkering with stray
electrons in the '70s. Some laugh so hard that they let the smoke out.

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Oct 6, 6:39 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com

The main reason rates are so low today is that we're buying our own
debt (to push down rates): the Federal Reserve is buying over 60% of
new Treasury debt. They have to. If we didn't do that, people
wouldn't lend for the rates we're willing to pay.

(Aside: In a sense, it's predatory. When they sell people these
investments, I wonder if Dodd-Frank makes the Treasury disclose that
the Treasury has conflicts-of-interest, actively manipulates and makes
a market in interest rates, is forcing investors to invest at negative
real rates of return, all to reap obscene profits for the Treasury?)

The secondary reason is that however rocky it is here, it's worse
overseas. People are still willing to park money here at a small
loss, rather than lose more at home.

Both conditions are temporary.

> You heard it here, as you heard about the European mess here.

Yep.

James

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 8:03 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>
> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Oct 6, 6:43 pm, John Larkin
> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman

>
> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >On Oct 6, 12:25 am, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com>

> >> >wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT),BillSloman
>
> >> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:

> >> >> >On Oct 5, 10:08 pm, Lord Valve <detri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> brent wrote:

<snip>

> >In your expert opinion. Coupling me with Barak Obama is a slightly
> >bizarre juxtaposition. I was respectably productive as an electronic
> >engineer back when I could persuade people to hire me.
>
> The ones who did seemed mostly to fail.

That's the U.K. for you. Margaret Thatcher didn't help. She didn't
think that manufacturing industry was all that important, and the
companies I worked have mostly been taken over by overseas firms.
George Kent (where I worked from 1973 to 1976) was taken over by Brown
Boveri of Switzerland - later ABB - while I worked there.

EMI-Central Research (where I worked from 1976 to 1979) went down the
tubes when EMI went bust in 1979 and ended up merged with Thorn
Electrical Industries. It was a slow process but there's nothing left
now.

I worked for Eurotherm-Chessell for five months in 1979, and they've
done well - though they merged with Honeywell and some others in 2009
and are now part of Invensys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurotherm

I went from there to ITT-Creed (1979-82) and got out before Margaret
Thatcher's free trade ideas persuaded ITT to shut down the British
operation and amalgamate it with Standard Elektric Lorenz in Germany,
which got better support for the German government - though it's now
Alcatel-Lucent Deutschland.

From there I went to Cambridge Instruments in Cambridge, U.K. - from
1982 to 1991 - which still exists, but as Karl Zeiss Microscopy Ltd
and on a different site. It employs 100 people - about a quarter of
the number that worked there when I did.

http://microscopy.zeiss.com/microscopy/en_de/about-us/locations-subsidiaries.html#inpagetabs-5

They didn't fail, but the venture capitalist who owned the company
when I was there merged it with other microscope companies and then
carved them all up again. I suspect that the machine shop - which was
the heart of the company when I worked there - still exists and
employs rather more people, but I've got no easy way of tracking it
down.

Fisons Applied Sensor Technology - where I worked in 1992 and 1993
before moving to the Netherlands - got taken over by the Thermo
Electron Corp. and renamed Affinity Sensors. They existed to exploit a
particular bright idea, but other people proceeded to exploit the same
bright idea more effectively. Thermo Electron weren't prepared to
invest any money in keeping up with the competition, and eventually
shut the place down, much to the disgust of my ex-boss, who put
together a management buy-out which Thermo-Electron ignored despite
the fact that it would have saved them money on service guarantees.

> >Barak Obama had
> >an impressive political career which got him to a position where he
> >could become the Democratic contender for the presidency as a
> >relatively young man. That's a pretty productive political career.
>
> Please explain the concept "productive political career."

It's probably too difficult for you to understand, but a successful
political career is one that puts you into powerful positions, and one
that leads you to become president of the US has probably been as
successful as is possible at the moment.

It has certainly produced a situation where Barak Obama commands as
much political power power as is now available, which makes it
uniquely productive as such careers go. You may not appreciate the
product, but you do have a rather restricted point of view.

> >As far as Romney's generosity goes, Bain Capital seems to have been a
> >more than usually money-grubbing set of venture capitalists. Romney
> >may have spent some of his ill-gotten gains on buying a good public
> >image, but that's an investment rather than disinterested generosity.
> >
> >You don't seem to have much grasp of simple political economics, also
> >known as how to buy votes.
>
> Idiot. You don't understand either productivity or generosity. Both
> are alien to your nature.

A bizarre and fatuous allegation, but presumably comforting to your
over-sensitive ego. Quite why you feel the need to be quite so
unpleasant does escape me. Maybe if you could have mastered rational
argument you might have been able get by with fewer personal insults.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 7:58 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:40:51 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >On Oct 6, 1:36 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> On Oct 6, 12:25 am, John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT),BillSloman
>
> >> > <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> > >On Oct 5, 10:08 pm, Lord Valve <detri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> > >> brent wrote:

> >> > >> > I certainly enjoyed the debate the other night. How refreshing that
> >> > >> > the moderator did not limit the debate to the democrat talking points
> >> > >> > (e.g... war on women and 47%)! I have known in my gut that president
> >> > >> > empty chair is not very bright and it was ENJOYABLE to see him raw and
> >> > >> > exposed without the media infrastructure propping him up. Watching
> >> > >> > MSNBC after the debate had me giggling like a teenage girl all night
> >> > >> > long.
>

> >> > >Romney is a plausible liar, and they do do well with teenage girls and
> >> > >other people who are relatively easy to deceive.
>

> >> > >> However anyone wants to spin it, this fact abides:
> >> > >> Romney could step into the CEO spot of any major
> >> > >> corporation on this planet and be up to speed in
> >> > >> less than a week.
>

> >> > >Not in Germany, where the CEO is expected to know a fair bit about the
> >> > >company's products and how they work, or in fact any place where the
> >> > >CEO is expected to know anything about the company, as opposed to
> >> > >reading stuff off a prompter and looking impressive.
>

> >> > >> O'Butthole, on the other hand,
> >> > >> wouldn't even be qualified to work in the mail room.
>

> >> > >Wrong skin colour?

>
> >> > >> And since the business of America is business...
>

> >> > >Granting that the US has been running a massive balance of payments
> >> > >deficit since Regan was president, the "business" of American now
> >> > >seems to be borrowing money from other countries to pay for its
> >> > >expensive oil habit.
>

> >> > >> well, you'd think even libtards could figure it out,
> >> > >> but despite their constant claims of mental superiority,
> >> > >> they're still buying that lame hopey-changey horseshit.
>

> >> > >On the other hand, Mitt Romney's claim to business expertise is a bit
> >> > >thin. He didn't create new businesses,
>

The money was chickenfeed compared with the favourable publicity it
bought. If I've understood the biographies correctly, he was worth
about $200 million at the time, and spending 1% of that fortune on
buying a slightly better public image wasn't exactly giving until it
hurt.

My younger brother organised the Sydney Olympic Games in 2000, and one
of his better stories is about the way the local minister for sport
wanted to be installed as the chairman of the organising committee for
the duration of the games. The minister hadn't made himself popular
with the committee, and they told him that he could what he liked, but
they were all prepared to resign - and forfeit their performance
bonuses - rather than putting up with working with him as the chairman
of the committee during the games. He didn't persist.

He didn't take it well, which is why the Sydney organisers only got a
silver meal for organisation, but his bid for a couple of weeks of
favourable publicity did become public knowledge, and didn't do his -
already dubious - public image any good at all.

You don't seem to have much grasp of simple political economics, also

known as how to buy votes. There are lots of ways to raise your
profile - Romney's activities for the Winter Olympics were an honest
way of buying favourable publicity, but it's trifle naive to regard it
as disinterested generosity.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 7:28 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:16:40 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>
> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Oct 6, 6:29 pm, John Larkin
> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:35:51 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman

>
> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >On Oct 6, 12:36 am, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >> >> John Larkin wrote:
> >> >> > On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT),BillSloman
> >> >> > <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>

> >> >> [...]

>
> >> >> >> On the other hand, Mitt Romney's claim to business expertise is a bit
> >> >> >> thin. He didn't create new businesses,
>

> >> >> Baloney.
>
> >> >> > Wrong, as usual.
>
> >> >> Yup!
>
> >> >Joerg is smarter than John Larkin, but English is not his first
> >> >language, and the exact meaning of the word "create" may have escaped
> >> >him. Finding the capital to support people who have had a good idea is
> >> >a useful - in fact a crucial - activity, but it's acting as a mid-wife
> >> >rather than a creator.
>
> >> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staples_Inc.#History
>
> >> ><snip>
>
> >> "Staples started with backing from private equity firms including Bain
> >> Capital; Bain co-founder Mitt Romney served on the company's board of
> >> directors for the next 15 years, helping shape their business
> >> model.[6]"
>

> >Like paying their employees minimum wage? Venture capitalists do tend
> >to be represented on the board of the companies they finance, and are
> >notoriousy prone to steering the companies to maximise short term
> >gains rather than long term growth prospects.

>
> >> How many businesses have you started, or financed, or sat on the board
> >> of? What the hell is your expertise here?
>

> >Watching other people's start-ups from very close by. I worked for one
> >for a bit over a year - Fisons Applied Sensor Technology (1992-93)
> >which became Affinity Sensors about a year after I left - Fisons sold
> >it to Thermo Electron
>
> >http://www.bioportfolio.com/corporate/company/17573/Affinity-Sensors....
>
> >and it subsequently folded. I got to hear a great deal about the
> >process of getting it off the ground.
>
> It's impressive how many business and technology failures you have
> been associated with. You sound like the kiss of death to me.

If you worked in the U.K. you'd have the same problem.

> >I was also very well-informed about Lintech Instruments
>
> >http://bizzy.co.uk/uk/01295233/lintech-instruments
>
> >before it folded,
>
> See what I mean?

I never worked for the company. I got hired by Cambridge Instruments
at the point where they had to make Lintech's add-ons work with
regular Cambridge Instruments electron microscopes to create a
stroboscopic voltage=contrast sensitive electron microscope to probe
bare working integrated circuits, which was trickier than it should
have been. I had more than enough contact with Graham Plows to learn
about his priorities, and a lot contact with his subordinates to get
them to fix the faults that Graham didn't care about.

> >and it's managing director - and moving spirit -
> >Graham Plows, who became technical director and my boss at Cambridge
> >Instruments after Lintech folded and I got on with the development
> >that Graham had screwed up at Lintech and managed to screw up again at
> >Cambridge Instruments. He was a smart guy, but ethically challenged,
> >and much more interested in developing instruments that were easy to
> >sell than in making them useful to the user after they'd been bought.
> >I never heard much about Lintech from him, but quite a lot from other
> >people with whom I worked at Cambridge Instrument before they moved to
> >Lintech.

>
> >> (me: 2,1,3, plus informally helping a few get going. Right now I have
> >> a startup cloud-app company upstairs in the back, next to the blueline
> >> machine. They supplied their own desks and chairs. They sit there
> >> quietly all day, typing Ruby or something. I still haven't figured out
> >> what they are trying to do.http://www.otelic.com/)
>

> >But you still don't seem to realise that having the idea and providing
> >the money to turn the idea into a product are very different
> >activities.
>
> Naturally. An enterprise need various talents. I'm no good at business
> and finance stuff, so Rebecca does that. I'm not good at manufacturing
> processes or tooling, so Paulo does that. Ditto FPGA design,
> marketing, logistics, all sorts of stuff. Everybody should do what
> they're good at. It's management's job to help them do that.
>
> >Your capacity to be exposed to information and draw the
> >wrong conclusions from it has always been impressive.
>
> My company is growing and hiring. You've been unemployed for a decade
> or so, and, based on the kiss-of-death theory, that's good for
> everybody else. I suppose we should thank you for not working.

Your capacity to be exposed to information and draw the
wrong conclusions from it has always been impressive.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 7, 12:28 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

The same way they always did. Nobody really knows why your
unemployment figures are concocted the way they are, but at least
they've been concocted the same way for a while now, and their trend
says something about the state of the economy.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[John Larkin]

No. Flat no.

>
>> >I was also very well-informed about Lintech Instruments
>>
>> >http://bizzy.co.uk/uk/01295233/lintech-instruments
>>
>> >before it folded,
>>
>> See what I mean?
>
>I never worked for the company. I got hired by Cambridge Instruments
>at the point where they had to make Lintech's add-ons work with
>regular Cambridge Instruments electron microscopes to create a
>stroboscopic voltage=contrast sensitive electron microscope to probe
>bare working integrated circuits, which was trickier than it should
>have been. I had more than enough contact with Graham Plows to learn
>about his priorities, and a lot contact with his subordinates to get
>them to fix the faults that Graham didn't care about.

Kiss-of-death at a distance. Impressive.

How's that oscillator coming along?

[Jim Thompson]

Didn't Slowman claim he was going to make an LTspice model of it first
?:-)

Bwahahahahahahaha!

[John Larkin]

How's that triac circuit coming along?

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 7, 12:33 am, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 6, 5:55 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 11:05 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 6, 11:46 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
>
> > > Web-Site.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>
> > <snipped the usual nonsense>
>
> > > America's different.  People here still want to be free, and mostly
> > > instinctively understand that government implements the opposite.
>
> > Quite a few brain-washed Republican supporters do seem to believe that
> > true freedom implies no government. No police force, no army, no
> > community-wide health care ...
>
> > James Arthur doesn't accept this as a logical consequence of his anti-
> > government attitudes. He more or less accepts the necessity for an
> > army and a police force, but seems to have some trouble with the idea
> > that dealing plagues and other infectious diseases does require a
> > community wide and community financed health service.
>
> Naturally, we need to adopt a communal, redistributive national
> economy--it's the only possible way to raise $7 billion a year (the
> CDC's annual budget) to prevent plagues and such.

Strange idea. You've already got a communal redistributive national
economy - but it needs to be a bit more communal and redistributive
than it is at the moment. Not much more - Pol Pot went way to far -
and even getting to the Swedish level would have to be taken
gradually.

> I also agree that plough horses should be slaughtered, and golden
> geese roasted.  That way, everyone will have more.

I think you rather miss the point. Your current system slaughters a
lot of potential "plough horses" and roasts a lot of "golden geese" by
cheap-skating on their education and leaving them only fit for
strictly unskilled jobs. It cuts the immediate tax burden on the well-
off, but short-changes them of the skilled labour that ought to be
available to exploit their capital.

> And I agree that your "needs" and comforts, however infinite, should
> be satisfied by other people slaving in their fields.  Just a little
> longer, if need be.  It's for the common good.

My needs and comforts are currently satisfied by my wife's labours in
the fields of academy (plus my relatively small Dutch pension
entitlements). Our incipient move to Australia (next Saturday)
reflects the fact that she's hit the local retirement age, while she
can still continue to work in Australia. She won't earn as much there,
but with her pension from her job here, we will still live very
comfortably. I put off drawing my UK pensions for a few years after I
hit 65 because we didn't need them, but they will start up in November
to add a fairly insignificant and completely unnecessary, if
comforting, extra income stream.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:14:12 -0700, John Larkin

Marvelously! I combined the nice on/off of the TRIAC with the
depletion FET as the gate drive.

I doubt I'll show it to you... I get better blood pressure out of you
that way ;-)

Maybe get you so riled up you'll run that red 4-circle fairy car of
yours off the road >:-)

I'm down in the 25mW dissipation range (total) in the semiconductors
and 300mW in the surge limiting resistor, and expect to get down to uA
everywhere in turn-off mode.

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 7:53 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 10:33:53 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
>
> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Oct 6, 6:34 pm, John Larkin

> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:

> >> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> >> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>
> >> You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
> >> dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
> >> airplane maker, and engineer.
>
> >> It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
> >> mostly vote Democrat.
>

> >Lots of people understand slightly more complex economics than you and
> >James Arthur - or the Mad Hatter's Tea Party -  have mastered and are
> >correspondingly disinclined to vote Republican.
>
> I got A's in college Economics,

Which presumably didn't get beyond Adam Smith and the invisible hand
of the market. You will have only done first year - freshman -
economics if you were pursuing an engineering degree, which makes the
content roughly equivalent to final year secondary school in places
that take education seriously.

> and own a successful electronics
> business.

After having owned a couple that were less successful.

>How about you? How's you economic skill working out for you?

Fine. My wife and I have more money than we can be bothered spending.
We tried to buy the flat next door but one to our Sydney apartment -
which is in a perfect location but no bigger than we need - but
declined to bid hard for it. We'd prefer to buy one of the two next
door apartments - if they ever come on the market - and double our
floor space. We won't need any help from the bank to do it.

My wife thinks that I should have gone into business for myself, but
I've never seen an adequate potential market for the kind of stuff
that I figure that I could sell. I may be over-cautious.

> Economics is simple, which is why so many economists, who relish the
> complexities, are so bad at it.

Wrong. Most of the grossly over-simplify by assuming that the free
market is perfect and that buyers and sellers act rationally.

http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374275637

Daniel Kahneman got a Nobel Prize for Economic Sciences for pointing
out that this was wrong, and explaining why, but most economists don't
seem to have incorporated his research results into their models.

John Maynard Keynes deduced much the same facts from observing markets
in action, but there are a whole lot of economists who still insist on
the perfection of the free market.

> >It's one of the benefits of educating the masses. We know why you
> >didn't get educated - you were too busy doing electronics. James
> >Arthur's ignorance may have more complicated roots - he could have
> >been frightened by a socialist during his formative years which might
> >have implanted a persistent set of irrational anxieties.
>
> I've known James for some years, and he's not the type to be bothered
> by anxieties. Or by cold weather: he always skis in short pants.

Scarcely a rational choice. His ideas about economics are equally
bizarre.
But then I regard skiing as a perversely expensive way of getting a
broken leg.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[miso]

The only way to get decent employment statistics is to have a true
socialist government, so you can't fall off the back end.

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:39:13 -0700, Jim Thompson

Of course you won't. You don't dare. It's probably got bugs, or its's
insanely expensive. Likely both.

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 11:13 pm, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 6, 1:33 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 6:34 pm, John Larkin

>
> > <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> > > >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> > > >Willard did not create any jobs.
>
> > > You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
> > > dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
> > > airplane maker, and engineer.
>
> > > It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
> > > mostly vote Democrat.
>
> > Lots of people understand slightly more complex economics than you and
> > James Arthur - or the Mad Hatter's Tea Party -  have mastered and are
> > correspondingly disinclined to vote Republican.
>

> Did you ever read The People's Economist, Paul Kurgman's primer on
> economics?  It's right up your alley.
>
> Here's the installment on prices:

>  http://thepeoplescube.com/paul-krugman/economics-primer-14-prices-t35...

I'm sure you can't tell the difference between that and the real
thing.
The real Paul Krugman did get Nobel Prize for Economics, though that's
not much of a recommendation considering the monetarist fruitcakes who
also won the same prize - Milton Friedman comes to mind. His policies
didn't do a thing for Chile, though the fact that they were
implemented under a right-wing military dictatorship who came to power
via a CIA-inspired coup probably didn't help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

has some interesting things to say on the subject, though you won't
find them palatable.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

[Bill Sloman]

On Oct 6, 11:28 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 12:38:52 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 6, 9:34 am, John Larkin

> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 23:23:11 -0700, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> >> >It is a zero sum game. Staple merely put other stores out of business.
> >> >Willard did not create any jobs.
>
> >> You can say that about any business. Every dentist just puts other
> >> dentists out of business. Ditto every barber, concrete finisher,
> >> airplane maker, and engineer.
>
> >> It's shocking how many people don't understand simple economics. They
> >> mostly vote Democrat.
>

> >They naively believe that they should be able to house, feed, and
> >clothe themselves on what they can earn working 40 hours a week.
>
> If everybody joined a union and went on strike for $50 an hour, we'd
> all be rich. Hell, make that $75. That's Democratic Economics.
>
>
>
> >Slavery ended in America because it cost too much -- you had to house,
> >feed, and clothe the slaves the year around.
>
> Didn't the Civil War have something to do with that, too?

War is just economics pursued by other means.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen