China CPU

[John Larkin]

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-IC-architecture-spec

Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.


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[Gib Bogle]

On 27/04/2012 7:31 a.m., John Larkin wrote:
> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-IC-architecture-spec
>
> Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.
>
>

It'll be interesting to see if China can do without Intel/AMD. It'll be
a very big project, but I can see the logic of it. They can pay for it
with the cash they earn from all the worthless crap we insist on buying
from them.

[Nico Coesel]

John Larkin <jla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-IC-architecture-spec
>
>Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.

The Chinese from China are drilled not to think for themselves. This
is just an attempt to try and think for themselves. Not that its a
good idea to try and make something completely incompatible in a world
where compatibility, interoperability and standards become more
important every day.


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[Joel Koltner]

Nico Coesel wrote:
> The Chinese from China are drilled not to think for themselves. This
> is just an attempt to try and think for themselves. Not that its a
> good idea to try and make something completely incompatible in a world
> where compatibility, interoperability and standards become more
> important every day.

In general I agree with you, but I've been amazed at just how quickly
software developers were able to crank out ridiculously many thousands
of applications for the iPad/iPhone and Android devices -- both of which
had significantly different programming models than traditional Macs or
PCs. Heck, something like 80% of all Android apps are written in Java
anyway, so once you get a Java Virtual Machine up and running on your
fancy new CPU architecture, you instantly have access to many, many
thousands of apps.

Of course, they do need to be "compatible" at some level -- HTML,
TCP/IP, etc. But instruction sets? They don't seem to matter nearly as
much anymore as they once did.

---Joel

[lang...@fonz.dk]

On 26 Apr., 23:22, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
> John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> >http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-...

>
> >Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.
>
> The Chinese from China are drilled not to think for themselves. This
> is just an attempt to try and think for themselves. Not that its a
> good idea to try and make something completely incompatible in a world
> where compatibility, interoperability and standards become more
> important every day.
>

if they have any sense they make something that is compatible with an
existing
architecture

They could "easily" make they own version of ARM, though the last that
did that
was squashed with patent laywers from ARM but they were a small
company

-Lasse

[miso]

On 4/26/2012 12:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-IC-architecture-spec
>
> Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.
>
>

This would be a great time to undo the damage Bush Jr. did. Simply
remove China's most favored nation status if they pull this shit.

OK, OK, a small step of removing that damage that Shrub did.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:22:54 GMT) it happened ni...@puntnl.niks
(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4f99bb64....@news.kpn.nl>:

>John Larkin <jla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-IC-architecture-spec
>>
>>Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.
>
>The Chinese from China are drilled not to think for themselves. This
>is just an attempt to try and think for themselves. Not that its a
>good idea to try and make something completely incompatible in a world
>where compatibility, interoperability and standards become more
>important every day.

I do not want to defend China, but they are very clever in doing things,
I remember the CVD (China Video Disk), basically a CD that recorded DVD quality
and compressed it have by halving the horizontal picture size,
player stretches it on playback.
I think it became part of the official DVD spec, that is any DVD player plays it.
I have made many CVDs :-)

As it is going now China will dictate the standards of the future.
Larger population, larger market, people will target that.

[Tim Wescott]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:22:54 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:

> John Larkin <jla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-IC-
architecture-spec
>>
>>Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.
>
> The Chinese from China are drilled not to think for themselves. This is
> just an attempt to try and think for themselves. Not that its a good
> idea to try and make something completely incompatible in a world where
> compatibility, interoperability and standards become more important
> every day.

Choice A: Stop driving tanks over original thinkers, lose job, political
system, and maybe life.

Choice B: Tell a bunch of guys who haven't had tanks driven over them to
think originally. Fail the technology game, but retain job and life.

Hmm. Which would _you_ do?

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Why am I not happy that they have found common ground?

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http://www.wescottdesign.com

[Nico Coesel]

Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:22:54 GMT) it happened ni...@puntnl.niks
>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4f99bb64....@news.kpn.nl>:
>
>>John Larkin <jla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-IC-architecture-spec
>>>
>>>Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.
>>
>>The Chinese from China are drilled not to think for themselves. This
>>is just an attempt to try and think for themselves. Not that its a
>>good idea to try and make something completely incompatible in a world
>>where compatibility, interoperability and standards become more
>>important every day.
>
>I do not want to defend China, but they are very clever in doing things,
>I remember the CVD (China Video Disk), basically a CD that recorded DVD quality
>and compressed it have by halving the horizontal picture size,

Probably something that came from the West but wasn't good enough to
sell in the West. Remember Video CD? Lots of sales in Asia, never
introduced in the West. We had to wait for the DVD.

>As it is going now China will dictate the standards of the future.
>Larger population, larger market, people will target that.

Not really. Proven technology is hard to re-invent. Even in the good
old Cold War days a lot of US companies sold telephony equipment to
the USSR. The KGB did require a standard interface for listening in on
phone conversations though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:20:55 GMT) it happened ni...@puntnl.niks
(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4f9adcd8....@news.kpn.nl>:

>>I do not want to defend China, but they are very clever in doing things,
>>I remember the CVD (China Video Disk), basically a CD that recorded DVD quality
>>and compressed it have by halving the horizontal picture size,
>
>Probably something that came from the West but wasn't good enough to
>sell in the West. Remember Video CD? Lots of sales in Asia, never
>introduced in the West. We had to wait for the DVD.

Oh, no, they have their own labs, there were several other things too,
that never made it in Europe and the US, not because it was inferior,
but basically because Europe had no clue.
The AV scene was changing extremely fast back then, and even still today,
although I have not followed it closely for a couple of years.
But you must have noticed the power of companies like Huawei etc grabbing
market, and the paranoid reaction of the US as it defends itself
using 'security risk' as argument.
The Chinese now have the dollars, so they try to buy some real stuff
and invest in US an European companies, basically making those their own.

>>As it is going now China will dictate the standards of the future.
>>Larger population, larger market, people will target that.
>
>Not really. Proven technology is hard to re-invent. Even in the good
>old Cold War days a lot of US companies sold telephony equipment to
>the USSR. The KGB did require a standard interface for listening in on
>phone conversations though:

As I mentioned before, they INVENT things,
Consider how many people China pushes out of their universities each year,
and not because those people are good in baseball.
Today Germany introduced the 'bluecard' that basically gives access to non EU citizens
of higher qualifications to work in Germany and attain citizenship automatically
after some time if they hold a job.
The world is screaming for high tech people, and China can deliver them!
Just like all other products.
OK some will be not so good, but I am sure their government will make very sure the export
will live up to standard.
That way they will work themselves into the top of all the companies,
and basically hold the steering wheel.

There will be resistance from the local people, I remember once after doing some job interviews for a position in the
company I worked selecting an eastern guy as the best suited, boss decided against that,
Arguments unknown, but a Dutch guy got it.
I think it was he wrong choice, but...

[Tom Del Rosso]

G. W. Bush was president in 2000?


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John Larkin wrote:
> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-IC-architecture-spec
>
> Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.

The Chinese have already standardized on their own version of Linux, so it
isn't such a painful separation from other CPU standards.

[halong]

On Apr 27, 5:37 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:22:54 GMT) it happened n...@puntnl.niks
> (Nico Coesel) wrote in <4f99bb64.3579905...@news.kpn.nl>:

>
> >John Larkin <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
> >>http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4371529/China-mulls-national-...
>

> >>Didn't the Japanese try this? TRON or something.
>
> >The Chinese from China are drilled not to think for themselves. This
> >is just an attempt to try and think for themselves. Not that its a
> >good idea to try and make something completely incompatible in a world
> >where compatibility, interoperability and standards become more
> >important every day.
>
> I do not want to defend China, but they are very clever in doing things,
> I remember the CVD (China Video Disk), basically a CD that recorded DVD quality
> and compressed it have by halving the horizontal picture size,
> player stretches it on playback.
> I think it became part of the official DVD spec, that is any DVD player plays it.
> I have made many CVDs :-)
>
> As it is going now China will dictate the standards of the future.
> Larger population, larger market, people will target that.

They are very cleaver in Olympic too... Remember that young lady who
won the gold medal in gymnastics ?

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s6i39144

So, be careful when dealing with them (official) due to their records
of dishonesty

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:28:39 -0700 (PDT)) it happened halong
<cco...@netscape.net> wrote in
<af0ca686-0ab5-40db...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:

>They are very cleaver in Olympic too... Remember that young lady who
>won the gold medal in gymnastics ?
>
>http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s6i39144
>
>So, be careful when dealing with them (official) due to their records
>of dishonesty

I have my experiences with Chinese ebay sellers... Counter fit chips,
incompatible memory sticks, incomplete deliveries... capacitors
with lower value then advertised...

I guess in love, war, and business anything goes :-)
Here is the latest takeover from Huawei (in German)
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Schweizer-Telco-Sunrise-wechselt-von-Alcatel-Lucent-zu-Huawei-1562916.html
they got the Swiss telco 'Sunrise' to switch from Alcatel-Lucent to Huawei.
That is a glassfiber net, the Chinese just took over the whole project.
They are great organizers, unlike in the capitalist[1] world
where nobody does what they are told and unions rule :-)
The Chinese do what they are told for the good of China and
the companies are happy the works gets done.

I guess a couple of more years and China too will be unionized and become sluggish.
The pendulum.
It seems to me that in China especially the pendulum swings a lot sideways,
from Mao to what we see now, and then maybe back to like it was in ancient times.


[1] for what that word is worth these days,

[josephkk]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:02:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:28:39 -0700 (PDT)) it happened halong
><cco...@netscape.net> wrote in
><af0ca686-0ab5-40db...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>They are very cleaver in Olympic too... Remember that young lady who
>>won the gold medal in gymnastics ?
>>
>>http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s6i39144
>>
>>So, be careful when dealing with them (official) due to their records
>>of dishonesty
>
>I have my experiences with Chinese ebay sellers... Counter fit chips,
>incompatible memory sticks, incomplete deliveries... capacitors
>with lower value then advertised...
>
>I guess in love, war, and business anything goes :-)
>Here is the latest takeover from Huawei (in German)
> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Schweizer-Telco-Sunrise-wechselt-von-Alcatel-Lucent-zu-Huawei-1562916.html
>they got the Swiss telco 'Sunrise' to switch from Alcatel-Lucent to Huawei.
>That is a glassfiber net, the Chinese just took over the whole project.
>They are great organizers, unlike in the capitalist[1] world
>where nobody does what they are told and unions rule :-)
>The Chinese do what they are told for the good of China and
>the companies are happy the works gets done.
>
>I guess a couple of more years and China too will be unionized and become sluggish.
>The pendulum.

Somehow i don't see the Chinese ruling groups tolerating the nonsense and
violence that so marked the emergence of American trade unionism.

>It seems to me that in China especially the pendulum swings a lot sideways,
>from Mao to what we see now, and then maybe back to like it was in ancient times.

It swings in all available dimensions.

[SuspendedInGaffa]

On Sun, 06 May 2012 15:15:05 -0700, josephkk
<joseph_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Somehow i don't

Know how to set your fucking PC's clock?

Yeah WE KNOW, ASSHOLE!