Compuserve closing, need to relocate website
Bill Bowden
service that once dominated the industry, will close June 30 after 30
years in cyberspace. I have been a member since 1981.
http://paperpc.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-over-compuserve-classic-is-closing.html
As a result, my personal webpage "Bowden's Hobby Circuits" at <http://
ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/>
will no longer exist, and I must move to a new address.
I spoke with a local webdesigner in my area who recommended
westhost.com he uses at reasonable rates for basic service, but there
are several others to consider.
All I need is basic service without pop-up adds, shopping carts,
blogs, and other stuff. All I want to do is present a simple hobby
electronics website of text files, gif images, a few Java Scripts,
and links to other places.
It was recommended to obtain and register a domain name such as
"BowdensHobbyCircuits.com" so the site can be moved in the future
without upsetting external links. As it is, all the external links
pointing to the page at Compuserve will be broken on June 30.
Probabaly not much I can do about that other than sending emails
requesting a change of address.
Anyway, I'm interested in a reliable webhosting service at reasonable
rates, that won't go out of business for a few years.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
-Bill
Tim Wescott
I get my web hosting through my local ISP, but every time I renew my
domain names through GoDaddy I get deluged with offers for web hosting.
I think they have a plain jane package, and I can vouch for them being no-
nonsense to work with for domain name services, but I can't personally
vouch for their web hosting.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
My website is carried by OLM, but all my registrations are at GoDaddy
(per recommendation of my oldest son). OLM is probably more expensive
than most ($14.95/mo), but has many nice features... in particular
E-mail forwarding... I only have ~200 different E-mail addresses to
ease sorting of useful business versus spam stuff ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
Frank Buss
> Anyway, I'm interested in a reliable webhosting service at reasonable
> rates, that won't go out of business for a few years.
Very reliable webhosting can be expensive. But looks like it is just a
hobby page, so if it doesn't matter when your webpage is a day offline when
the provider goes out of business, buy a domain. Then you can choose any
cheap provider (most providers offer domain registration with simple web
forms, too) and changing is easy, because you always own your domain and
you can move it to another provider.
If you have many visitors and high volume, compare the prices for traffic.
E.g. In Germany there is the reliable webhoster http://www.1und1.info ,
with 60 GB traffic per month for about 4 Euro, which includes one domain,
but if you want unlimited traffic (unlimited until 1 TB per month, then the
transfer rate will be reduced to 10 MBit), it costs about 80 Euro. But the
expensive packet includes your own server, where you can install custom
applications, e.g. your own wiki, databases, IRC server etc.
--
Frank Buss, f...@frank-buss.de
http://www.frank-buss.de, http://www.it4-systems.de
Paul E. Schoen
"Bill Bowden" <wronga...@att.net> wrote in message
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I have at least 10MB webspace and my dialup ISP through www.smart.net,
which was bought up by midatlantic broadband and then finally Sovenix. It
costs me $25/mo or $250/year for everything. Simple web space is probably
about half that. I will probably be getting some kind of broadband soon, as
I have very poor TV reception and I can only get two digital channels from
an amplified antenna. I'll probably get Verizon DSL or FIOS, something like
$80-$100/month for everything. I have been with smart.net since 1996, after
a brief fling with www.erols.com (parodied with www.errors.com) and MSN.
I got my domain names through www.MyDomain.com, for about $10/year, and
they have email forwarding and URL redirection, and I'm sure they have all
sorts of web hosting as well. I just use the free version WS_FTP95 LE to
transfer my website files to the server.
Paul
www.pstech-inc.com
www.smart.net/~pstech/Muttley (for a direct folder with pix of my dog)
Jan Panteltje
<wronga...@att.net> wrote in
<f45c9bdb-8bbb-49f7...@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>:
>Just received notice that CompuServe Classic, the legendary online
>service that once dominated the industry, will close June 30 after 30
>years in cyberspace. I have been a member since 1981.
>
>http://paperpc.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-over-compuserve-classic-is-closing.html
>
>As a result, my personal webpage "Bowden's Hobby Circuits" at <http://
>ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/>
>will no longer exist, and I must move to a new address.
If you have a good DSL connection, you can use a small laptop or PC as server
at home.
Then you need to have some idea of the data usage, use a decent firewall, monitor
everyday for attacks on the site, perhaps also run aa name server, etc etc.
In you cannot do that full time ( ;-) ) then consider having a look at the
godaddy.com website:
http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/shared.asp?ci=8971
Ecnerwal
<f45c9bdb-8bbb-49f7...@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Bill Bowden <wronga...@att.net> wrote:
> All I need is basic service without pop-up adds, shopping carts,
> blogs, and other stuff. All I want to do is present a simple hobby
> electronics website of text files, gif images, a few Java Scripts,
> and links to other places.
>
> It was recommended to obtain and register a domain name such as
> "BowdensHobbyCircuits.com" so the site can be moved in the future
> without upsetting external links. As it is, all the external links
> pointing to the page at Compuserve will be broken on June 30.
> Probabaly not much I can do about that other than sending emails
> requesting a change of address.
>
> Anyway, I'm interested in a reliable webhosting service at reasonable
> rates, that won't go out of business for a few years.
>
> Any suggestions?
Never can tell about the last part, but for $35/year (including the
domain registration, though there are very slightly cheaper domain
registration services - e.g. godaddy) the "Tiny" package at
http://www.asmallorange.com/hosting/shared/ does nicely, and has upgrade
paths available if you ever need it. My old provider's email filtering
went nuts after they reorganized a few things and I finally gave up on
them. Went from $196/year to $35/year, and so long as I pay the bill my
email address & website should never have to change, even if the service
provider ever does (but I am quite happy with them so far.)
If I'd had my thinking cap on when I set it up, I'd have paid for 5 year
registration instead of one - still chump change, less frequent hassle
with it. I'll try that when I renew the name.
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Ecnerwal
which help sort things, addresses for my wife as well, and all that
stuff - all for just over $2/month, or just under $3 if you count the
domain registration (which does not need to be through them - it was
just convenient and not that much more expensive). The company offers
the various things you don't need, some for free, some for extra money,
but works fine for basic straightforward html websites, too.
I gave it a year for transition, so one of these days I'll have to
change my obfusticated mail address here, which is still my old
provider. That will no doubt be yet another account.
Jan Panteltje
<Lawren...@SOuthernVERmont.NyET.invalid> wrote in
<LawrenceSMITH-916...@news.motzarella.org>:
Multiple email addresses is great.
When I order something online, and they need me to register with an email address,
then I just create one for that company.
When spam starts coming in, I delete that email address, and then also know
who sold my data :-)
You'd be surpised who do sell your data, some very very big ones.
Gareth
Bill Bowden wrote:
> Just received notice that CompuServe Classic, the legendary online
> service that once dominated the industry, will close June 30 after 30
> years in cyberspace. I have been a member since 1981.
>
> http://paperpc.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-over-compuserve-classic-is-closing.html
>
> As a result, my personal webpage "Bowden's Hobby Circuits" at <http://
> ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/>
> will no longer exist, and I must move to a new address.
>
> I spoke with a local webdesigner in my area who recommended
> westhost.com he uses at reasonable rates for basic service, but there
> are several others to consider.
>
> All I need is basic service without pop-up adds, shopping carts,
> blogs, and other stuff. All I want to do is present a simple hobby
> electronics website of text files, gif images, a few Java Scripts,
> and links to other places.
>
no ads, no popups and I've been using it for a few years with no problems.
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Joerg
Good point. 1and 1 is also available in the US. I use it for the web
site, email, FTP. Costs $60/year and this includes the domain name:
BTW, Bill, I've heard somewhere that you can keep your old CompuServe
number address and can access it though a 3rd party ISP. I used to have
one as well back in the steam engine days.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
Michael A. Terrell
Several frinds use:
http://www.ipowerweb.com/products/webhosting/quick-web-site.html
24-Month Price: $3.95/mo. + FREE Setup
That is $94.80 for two years plus the domain name costs.
You get 5 GB Storage, 250 GB bandwidth, Web-based e-mail that works
with your domain (y...@yoursite.com)
or:
http://www.ipowerweb.com/products/webhosting/business-web-site.html
24-Month Price: $7.95 $5.95/mo.* ($142.80) + FREE Setup + FREE Domain
which is $142.80 for two years.
Unlimited Disk Space
Unlimited Bandwidth
Host Unlimited Domains
2500 e-mail accounts
Flexible site- and store- builders
FTP, FrontPage extensions, CGI, PHP, MySQL and more.
--
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Martin Riddle
cheap at $3/month as others pointed out.
You share server bandwidth with other hosted sites.
The other option is a dedicated server, that will run more bucks.
Godaddy has a $4.99/month economy plan which isnt so bad.
Definitely register a domian name. the search engines will eventually
(after 6 months) index it.
I would stay away form the free hosting sites, most search engines don’t
index those.
As a result you'll wont get as many visitors.
Cheers
"Bill Bowden" <wronga...@att.net> wrote in message
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Jan Panteltje
<marti...@verizon.net> wrote in <gsfoda$1kb$1...@news.motzarella.org>:
>You would probably do well with a shared resource server, there's are
>cheap at $3/month as others pointed out.
>You share server bandwidth with other hosted sites.
>The other option is a dedicated server, that will run more bucks.
>Godaddy has a $4.99/month economy plan which isnt so bad.
>
>Definitely register a domian name. the search engines will eventually
>(after 6 months) index it.
>I would stay away form the free hosting sites, most search engines don t
>index those.
>As a result you'll wont get as many visitors.
>
>Cheers
I think that is not correct.
I once did have such a free website, and google was all over it.
If you want your site indexed, just mention it, the link, in Usenet.
Few hours later google is there.
MSbot is agressive too, especially if you type your site as search.
In fact these day I really have to do special things to for example keep google away
from downloading large files from the ftp server over and over again.
You cannot have 'robots.txt' on the ftp server, the bot wil not look for it there,
but for example you can do (Linux iptables):
-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 20:21 -m iprange --src-range 66.249.64.0-66.249.95.255 -j DROP
-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --sport 20:21 -m iprange --dst-range 66.249.64.0-66.249.95.255 -j DROP
this will kill all of google on port 20 and 21 (ftp).
Bots are more a problem (there seem to hundreds) then a solution these days.
On port 80 (http) I only allow google.
No other bots, those just eat bandwidth.
You find out when bots start downloading 1GB or more a month, or more then your allowed bandwidth.
T
says...
>
> You would probably do well with a shared resource server, there's are
> cheap at $3/month as others pointed out.
> You share server bandwidth with other hosted sites.
> The other option is a dedicated server, that will run more bucks.
> Godaddy has a $4.99/month economy plan which isnt so bad.
>
> Definitely register a domian name. the search engines will eventually
> (after 6 months) index it.
I used bluehost.com - I paid $4.95 a month for unlimited web space and
bandwidth as well as 2,500 email addresses, ftp, scp, php, etc. Cost me
$178 for a 3 year contract.
They're up to $6.95, I must have hit it during a special. But even that
isn't bad.
qrk
Options for web hosting:
Google has personal web page space for free.
http://sites.google.com/
I've had good luck with
http://www.olm.com/
You can pick up an account for $7/mo.
With OLM, get a domain name.
Jim Thompson
I've been using OLM for many years, no problems.
...Jim Thompson
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In Memoriam...
Duane Lee Thompson
October 31, 1972 - April 20,2006
4th Child, 2nd Son, of Jim & Naomi Thompson
Victim of Colon Cancer
Rich Grise
Every ISP I've ever had has sported "personal web space". Right now I's
with Verizon, and they offer 10 MB of "personal web space". But I can't
say if it's better or worse than any others; I do know that they only
allow their own scripts in their cgi-bin. I think they'll also let you
point a domain name at it, and it will masquerade your web space, but I
can't say that for sure, you'd have to check.
Or you could get just any ol' ISP; but be sure and get a static IP.
Good Luck!
Rich
Eeyore
Rich Grise wrote:
> Every ISP I've ever had has sported "personal web space".
And it's often crap. I think a better host is required.
I've already suggested my brother-in-law who has several servers at Telehouse London
with all the backup you could want for £50 / domain INC domain renewal fees IIRC.
All my domains I have with him. And he's GOOD. Plus he can do nice things with mail
servers.
Graham
Joerg
Not worth it IMHO. Get a real web site.
> Or you could get just any ol' ISP; but be sure and get a static IP.
>
Run your own server down in the basement? I know people who do that and
the reasons totally elude me. I pay $60/year including domain name.
Someone else is doing all the backups. Someone else is running mirror
servers. Someone else fixes it when smoke crawls out.
Subtract the usual $30/domain/year fee or so and $30 is paying for all
the rest. Heck, even the electricity running your own server 24/7 will
exceed this amount.
Joel Koltner
news:exIGl.27495$YU2....@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
> http://order.1and1.com/xml/order/Home;jsessionid=3C80B93C18D927F692EB08DAA4F6C568.TC61a?__reuse=1240159249733
Looks like a good deal.
Here's my experience:
-- I used hostmonster.com for a couple of years; it was $6/mo with a 2-year
commitment, domain included. Worked fine -- I never had any problems, and
their control panel worked well. I never had any reason to e-mail them for
support.
-- When that two years was up, I was feeling cheap and briefly used
x10hosting.com's free hosting services, and quickly upgraded to their $20/year
"developer" package
(http://forums.x10hosting.com/news-announcements/27021-promotional-development-package.html).
This is light on bandwidth -- 20GB/mo -- but otherwise is very full-featured.
It doesn't include a domain name (although they have a handful of free
sub-domains if you don't mind being, e.g., hobbycircuits.x10hosting.com), so
figure $10/year for that (places like GoDaddy will ocasionally have promotions
where it's, e.g., $1.49 for the first year). I did have occasion to contact
x10's tech support while getting the domain registration switched from
hostmonster to x10, and I was impressed -- you'd almost always get a response
within an hour, and much of the time of it was from Corey Arbogast, the system
administrator there, personally. x10 does have other paid hosting plans as
well: http://x10hosting.com/premium.php . They have some forums
(forums.x10hosting.com) that are not only useful but often quite eye-opening
as well... due to their free hosting (without ads, which is uncommon), the
forums attract a lot of younger people (people still in school) and those in
poorer countries (than the U.S.), and their perspectives are often quite
different than my own. E.g., for some of the posters, $4.95/month is a very
large chunk of change.
One thing I like about both Hostermonster and (with paid plans) x10 is that
you have shell access to the servers. If you find yourself writing your own
CGI-bin scripts, historically shell access was almost requisite for debugging.
These days of course you can just set up a spare PC (or virtual PC) to run
Apache or similar and get everything debugged locally before uploading
everything to the ISP, but I still find it very convenient to be able to ssh
into the servers and check out log files, manipulate files, etc. all directly.
x10 (and I expect many other web hosting sites) also supports WebDAV, so your
web site's files and folders can just show up in regular Nautilus/Windows
Explorer windows and you can pretty seamleslly drag and drop, edit, and
otherwise modify files. (OK, on Windows this often doesn't quite work --
WebDAV support is in various states of brokenness depending on which version
of Windows you're running -- but on Linux is works well.)
I also want to point out that "unlimited bandwidth" is not always the best
deal -- while various web hosting companys' costs and talents certainly do
vary considerably, one easy way for web hosting companies to advertise cheap
rates and large or unlimited bandwidth is to just stack thousands of web sites
all on one machine. This potentially makes the web site slow, just as when
ISPs stack too many customers onto too small of an Internet connection.
AFAIK, there's no *easy* way to determine whether or not a web hosting company
is putting cheap rates and *advertised* bandwidths ahead of speed (*effective*
bandwidth), other than just going by their reputations. (Tools like
whois.domaintools.com can tell you how many web sites are hosted on a given IP
address, but you can't really say how many IPs are being routed to the same
physical machine.)
---Joel
Bill Bowden
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:06:01 -0700 (PDT), Bill Bowden
>
>
>
> <wrongaddr...@att.net> wrote:
> >Just received notice that CompuServe Classic, the legendary online
> >service that once dominated the industry, will close June 30 after 30
> >years in cyberspace. I have been a member since 1981.
>
>
> >As a result, my personal webpage "Bowden's Hobby Circuits" at <http://
> >ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/>
> >will no longer exist, and I must move to a new address.
>
> >I spoke with a local webdesigner in my area who recommended
> >westhost.com he uses at reasonable rates for basic service, but there
> >are several others to consider.
>
> >All I need is basic service without pop-up adds, shopping carts,
> >blogs, and other stuff. All I want to do is present a simple hobby
> >electronics website of text files, gif images, a few Java Scripts,
> >and links to other places.
>
> >It was recommended to obtain and register a domain name such as
> >"BowdensHobbyCircuits.com" so the site can be moved in the future
> >without upsetting external links. As it is, all the external links
> >pointing to the page at Compuserve will be broken on June 30.
> >Probabaly not much I can do about that other than sending emails
> >requesting a change of address.
>
> >Anyway, I'm interested in a reliable webhosting service at reasonable
> >rates, that won't go out of business for a few years.
>
> >Any suggestions?
>
> >Thanks,
>
> >-Bill
>
> Options for web hosting:
>
> I've had good luck withhttp://www.olm.com/
> You can pick up an account for $7/mo.
>
> With OLM, get a domain name.
Are the free websites at Google free of Ads? or do they use the sites
for advertising?
What sort of software is needed to maintain the sites? I see that some
people use a FTP program, while others use some sort of wizard.
I can pay $10 a month for a service, but I don't want to buy extra
software to upload files.
Which services include all the software needed to maintain the sites?
Thanks,
-Bill
Michael A. Terrell
The link I gave in another post allows either FTP or uploading
through a HTML based interface where you select the desired files on
your hard drive, the way you attach a file to email or a newsgroup
post. They were using Vdeck the last time I had to do it form a
computer with no FTP software. They also have online wizards to create
a site from scratch for people who have absolutely no clue where to
start.
Cute FTP was free when I installed it, years ago. I have used it for
several websites with no problems.
There is a free plugin for Firefox, and there are dozens of other
free FTP programs available.
What software do you need to maintain a website? I create pages in
Wordpad and use Cute FTP to upload them. I keep a complete copy of each
website in a separate folder. When they are uploaded to the web server
the \ become / so you can open the index file for a website on your PC
without installing a local web server. In fact, I have shortcuts to
each local website so I can look at them when someone has a question
about a particular page. The anti spam routines I use identify the page
they are responding from if they don't change the subject line.
Joel Koltner
> Are the free websites at Google free of Ads?
I don't know about Google's free websites, but those at x10hosting.com are
completely ad-free. They do have a perhaps-not-expected requirement that you
must log on to the forums at least once a month (ostensibly to read system
announcements) to keep your web site from being marked inactive -- this lets
them keep their system reasonably free of "zombie" web sites that people set
up, lose interest in, and then leave forever.
(They also have an option wherein you place ads on your site and they give you
more bandwidth in return, but these days you have to specifically ask for
it -- so many people couldn't figure out how to or didn't actually place the
ads that they don't even advertise the option anymore!)
> What sort of software is needed to maintain the sites? I see that some
> people use a FTP program, while others use some sort of wizard.
What are you using to generate your web pages now? Fundamentally, you need to
(1) generate .html files and (2) upload them to the web server. (1) can be
down with something as primitive as notepad, but there are plenty of freely
available fancier solutions -- even OpenOffice can save documents in HTML
these days. (2) is the least of your worries -- FTP clients come with all
modern operating systems, and fancier means (such as WebDAV) are freely
available for all contemporary OSes too.
> Which services include all the software needed to maintain the sites?
That I don't know, although I can say that x10hosting doesn't really qualify.
They have a "web page builder," but it's really meant more to get a "skeleton"
or "coming soon!" web site up and running rather than to provide a
full-featured interface to maintain web pages.
For <$10 you have many, many good options to choose from.
---Joel
Joerg
That's what we sometimes forget, that there are actually a whole lot of
people in this world where $5 equals a week's worth of food supplies.
And they'd have to skimp on the food to use those $5 elsewhere.
> One thing I like about both Hostermonster and (with paid plans) x10 is that
> you have shell access to the servers. If you find yourself writing your own
> CGI-bin scripts, historically shell access was almost requisite for debugging.
> These days of course you can just set up a spare PC (or virtual PC) to run
> Apache or similar and get everything debugged locally before uploading
> everything to the ISP, but I still find it very convenient to be able to ssh
> into the servers and check out log files, manipulate files, etc. all directly.
> x10 (and I expect many other web hosting sites) also supports WebDAV, so your
> web site's files and folders can just show up in regular Nautilus/Windows
> Explorer windows and you can pretty seamleslly drag and drop, edit, and
> otherwise modify files. (OK, on Windows this often doesn't quite work --
> WebDAV support is in various states of brokenness depending on which version
> of Windows you're running -- but on Linux is works well.)
>
I doubt I'll ever get that fancy. All I need is a place to post stuff
where the world can see it.
> I also want to point out that "unlimited bandwidth" is not always the best
> deal -- while various web hosting companys' costs and talents certainly do
> vary considerably, one easy way for web hosting companies to advertise cheap
> rates and large or unlimited bandwidth is to just stack thousands of web sites
> all on one machine. This potentially makes the web site slow, just as when
> ISPs stack too many customers onto too small of an Internet connection.
> AFAIK, there's no *easy* way to determine whether or not a web hosting company
> is putting cheap rates and *advertised* bandwidths ahead of speed (*effective*
> bandwidth), other than just going by their reputations. (Tools like
> whois.domaintools.com can tell you how many web sites are hosted on a given IP
> address, but you can't really say how many IPs are being routed to the same
> physical machine.)
>
1and1 has oodles of xfer volume, hundreds of GB or even thousands. But
my main requirement is to have something as safe as they provide, with
mirror sites and all, because my web site is basically there for
business reasons. So people can go there and find out who this guys is.
rebel
wrote:
>What sort of software is needed to maintain the sites? I see that some
>people use a FTP program, while others use some sort of wizard.
Don't laugh, I use Netscape Composer (part of the Netscape 7.2 bundle from 2004)
to create and manage the uploading ("publishing") of my web pages. Works fine
for me. Doesn't support some of the latest bling but I don't use that crap
anyway.
Michael A. Terrell
I still use composer from Netscape version 4.78 when I need tables in
a web page.
Jan Panteltje
<m...@privacy.net> wrote in <0qbqu4dvb9hutotgc...@4ax.com>:
Hey, I use a text editor to write the html.
Joel Koltner
the "well-known guys with well-known web sites" people here on what they use.
Joerg, John, Jim?
Jim Thompson
Provider... http://www.olm.net/
FrontPage + WSFTP
(Of course I cheat... originally set up by oldest son, Aaron. So it's
trivial for me to modify :-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
Joel Koltner
message news:l66su4pm0kn93reor...@4ax.com...
> (Of course I cheat... originally set up by oldest son, Aaron. So it's
> trivial for me to modify :-)
Smart move. :-)
I saw your footer about the anniversary/memorial of your (other) son's death
yesterday -- how are his wife and kids doing?
Jim Thompson
They're both doing very well, Thanks! Losing our son didn't lessen
the bond with our daughter-in-law or granddaughter. We see them
regularly. My recent post "Shoulder Tripod?" was so I could cope with
video-taping the granddaughter's birthday party... outdoors, in the
park, magician entertaining ~30 kids... for _an_hour_, with the wind
blowing ;-) Found a monopod that worked nicely.
Daughter-in-law now has a serious beau, nice young man... a new
addition to our family ;-)
Frank Buss
My site is not an example of nice design and I need to cleanup the
structure, but it has some content. I'm using Dreamweaver. Most of the time
I just copy an existing page from my webpages and type some text and add
images in the WYSIWYG mode. Sometimes this is not exactly what I want, in
which case the split view with raw-text and WYSIWYG helps and I can edit
the raw-text and see the result immediatly and vice versa.
When I have some time, I want to redesign my webpage using some nice CSS
template. There are some nice templates at
http://www.freewebsitetemplates.com but I don't like fixed width webpages.
I have a 1600 screen width resolution and I don't like to vertical scroll
all the time, because half of the page width is empty. A good examples how
this can be made better is slashdot.org, amazon.com etc. Examples for bad
design, which wastes half of the screen width, are microsoft.com, nxp.com
etc.
--
Frank Buss, f...@frank-buss.de
http://www.frank-buss.de, http://www.it4-systems.de
Joerg
<donning pillow fight gear>
Tried Amaya, the tool from my web host company, lots of others, didn't
like any of them. Then, I used MS-Word ...
<ducking for cover>
Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:21:20 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
><zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>>message news:l66su4pm0kn93reor...@4ax.com...
>>> (Of course I cheat... originally set up by oldest son, Aaron. So it's
>>> trivial for me to modify :-)
>>
>>Smart move. :-)
>>
>>I saw your footer about the anniversary/memorial of your (other) son's death
>>yesterday -- how are his wife and kids doing?
>>
>
>They're both doing very well, Thanks! Losing our son didn't lessen
>the bond with our daughter-in-law or granddaughter. We see them
>regularly. My recent post "Shoulder Tripod?" was so I could cope with
>video-taping the granddaughter's birthday party... outdoors, in the
>park, magician entertaining ~30 kids... for _an_hour_, with the wind
>blowing ;-) Found a monopod that worked nicely.
>
>Daughter-in-law now has a serious beau, nice young man... a new
>addition to our family ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
See...
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.schematics.electronic
Subject: Compuserve closing, need to relocate website (from SED)
Message-ID: <cfcsu4pc4dgqc09da...@4ax.com>
Rich Grise
I use an ordinary text editor, while referring to:
http://werbach.com/barebones/barebones.html
Cheers!
Rich
Joel Koltner
news:pan.2009.04.21....@example.net...
Wow, it's the land of the lost where CSS doesn't yet exist and people actually
worry about "browser-safe" colors! Watch out for the Sleestak!
:-)
Seriously, that is still a handy reference page, thanks for the link Rich.
JeffM
>Bill Bowden wrote:
>>What sort of software is needed to maintain the sites? I see that some
>>people use a FTP program, while others use some sort of wizard.
>>
>Don't laugh, I use Netscape Composer
>(part of the Netscape 7.2 bundle from 2004)
>to create and manage the uploading ("publishing") of my web pages.
The current descendant of the Netscape suite
is the SeaMonkey suite (GPL). http://www.seamonkey-project.org
The standalone HTML editor is now called KompoZer (GPL).
Here's the genealogy:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:eSGEZnG3RekJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTML_editors+Nvu+uct+SeaMonkey.Composer+uct+uct+Netscape.Composer+KompoZer+Mozilla.Composer&strip=1#Discontinued_editors
JeffM
>>Speaking of HTML/web site creation tools....
>>I'd be interested to hear from
>the "well-known guys with well-known web sites" people here
on what they use.
>>Joerg, John, Jim?
>>
> <donning pillow fight gear>
>Tried Amaya, the tool from my web host company, lots of others, didn't
>like any of them. Then, I used MS-Word ...
> <ducking for cover>
Now be specific about what you use to DE-CRAPIFY
the unnecessary M$-specific markup that bloats up the file
and adds to the reasons it fails the W3C Validator.
http://www.textism.com/wordcleaner/index.html
http://google.com/search?q=cache:tLfBViaXeIQJ:tidy.sourceforge.net/docs/Overview.html+*-*-*-*-*-Word'97-*-*-*+free+*-*-*-*-fix-*-mistakes-automatically+bulks.out.HTML.*+*-hard-to-read-*+fix-*-*-*-*-*-problems+*.*.sloppy.editing+things-*-you-need-to-work-on+can-*-perform-wonders+HTML-*-from-Microsoft-Word-*
http://google.com/search?q=cache:qz-PqFAa4X8J:www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser+*-*-*-*.junk-*+HTML-compliant-*+*-no-desire-*-*-*-*-*-*+Save-as-*+Microsoft+incompetence-*-*-incompatibility+corrects+incompatibilities+*-*-*-Perl-installed+*-*-*-not-*-in-*-original-*+smart-*+*-demoroniser.zip+*-wrote-*-*-*+extension+*-ignoring-*-*+incompatible+non+specific-*+is-*-*-default+errors+*-*-*-*-*-*-dumb
(The last one is by the honcho at AutoDesk.)
Bill Bowden
wrote:
> "Bill Bowden" <wrongaddr...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a98f3c02-a1f7-4bf6...@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Are the free websites at Google free of Ads?
>
> I don't know about Google's free websites, but those at x10hosting.com are
> completely ad-free. They do have a perhaps-not-expected requirement that you
> must log on to the forums at least once a month (ostensibly to read system
> announcements) to keep your web site from being marked inactive -- this lets
> them keep their system reasonably free of "zombie" web sites that people set
> up, lose interest in, and then leave forever.
>
> (They also have an option wherein you place ads on your site and they give you
> more bandwidth in return, but these days you have to specifically ask for
> it -- so many people couldn't figure out how to or didn't actually place the
> ads that they don't even advertise the option anymore!)
>
> > What sort of software is needed to maintain the sites? I see that some
> > people use a FTP program, while others use some sort of wizard.
>
> What are you using to generate your web pages now?
I'm using a Compuserve wizard (HPWiz) homepage wizard which is very
easy to use, just select the HTM files on the C drive and upload them.
But the root file must have the name Homepage.htm and I have many htm
files that link back to the main page of <homepage.htm>. I also use a
basic text editor to create the htm files and JavaScripts.
But I imagine none of those links will work since a new service may
have the root file named something else, such as <index.htm> or
something like that. So, I have the problem of editing 30 or so pages
so that they link back to the main page.
Just little details like that will take hours to fix.
I get a call every couple months or so from ATT to upgrade my dialup
service to DSL, and I always tell them to go away because I don't need
it. So, today I called ATT to discuss web hosting figuring they would
be happy to fill me in on the details, software, etc, but they had no
clue what I wanted and didn't understand the term "web hosting". So I
went to the ATT site and found a basic service for about $165 a year
including domain name registration, but no details on software. But I
did find a phone number so I will attempt to discuss the problem
tomorrow.
I like big names like ATT, they probabaly won't go away for awhile.
-Bill
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
vi
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Pa...@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Experience is the worst teacher. It always gives the test
first and the instruction afterward.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
own domain name:
Check on the exact contract language surrounding the ownership of 'your'
domain name. Many years ago, I registered my own domain, with me as the
technical and administrative contact. So I've never had problems. But
some years ago, a number of people I know (and do occasional web page
work for) registered names through their ISPs.
After a time, one of them (Qwest) sold their operations to MSN. The
people who had domains like xyz.com were all informed (via e-mail) that
their domains would no longer be valid. They would be switched over to
an 'xyz.msn.com' name. Attempts to buy back the names were useless and,
following the switch, the original names were sold to a domain squatting
outfit.
I know that behavior is rare. More often, they (the ISP) just make it
difficult to switch to a different hosting outfit. But what other horror
stories do any of you have?
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Pa...@Hovnanian.com
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Sacred cows make the best hamburger. -- Mark Twain
mi...@sushi.com
mi...@sushi.com
wrote:
http://www.net2.com/nvu/
Nvu is pretty simple. There is another group that did some tweaks to
it, but nothing you really need beyond the basic program.
Jasen Betts
Why not upgrade to the much newer version of Composer that comes with the
seamonkey suite?
Joel Koltner
"Bill Bowden" <wronga...@att.net> wrote in message
news:8b36fd50-d3ee-4662...@t10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
> I'm using a Compuserve wizard (HPWiz) homepage wizard which is very
> easy to use, just select the HTM files on the C drive and upload them.
OK, I expect you'll have no problem using a regular FTP client then. The
GUI-based ones look very similar to the regular Windows file explorer, albeit
with two panes: "source" and "destination" and you can just drag and drop your
files from one side to the other.
> But I imagine none of those links will work since a new service may
> have the root file named something else, such as <index.htm> or
> something like that. So, I have the problem of editing 30 or so pages
> so that they link back to the main page.
>
> Just little details like that will take hours to fix.
Agreed, that is a hassle. With some (perhaps even most) web hosting companies
you might not have to do that, though -- if they're using the Apache web
server (and the vast majority of them are), and if they let you use
".htaccess" files (these configure how the web server itself operates), just
create a file named ".htaccess" (in the same directory as your homepage.html
file) containing the line, "DirectoryIndex homepage.html". (I'd think better
web hosts would even do this for you for the asking.)
Another option might be to just copy your homepage.html file to one named
index.html every time you modify homepage.html -- people intially lang on
index.html, but it links correctly to everything else, and then all the links
back end up at homepage.html. Kinda hackish, but easy.
There are utilities avaialble that can do "find/replace" across a bunch of
files all at once, too.
> So, today I called ATT to discuss web hosting figuring they would
> be happy to fill me in on the details, software, etc, but they had no
> clue what I wanted and didn't understand the term "web hosting".
Some ISP salespeople are not required to actually know what it is they're
selling. :-)
---Joel
Joel Koltner
news:49EE8E64...@hovnanian.com...
> vi
That's pretty hard core. :-)
I spent awhile with vi in college and eventually came to appreciate all it
could do (especially given its age). I never made the leap to emacs -- that
all the really cool kids were using --, though. (I suppose if I had been a CS
major rather than EE I might have...)
I am amazed how powerful a combination of something like ipython and vim is to
debug little embedded controllers sitting on the opposite side of the planet
that only have a 9600bps SSH link to the rest of the world.
---Joel
Jim Thompson
My memories of vi are _not_ pleasant. What a crude editor.
Fortunately PCWrite arrived on the scene quite early.
Rich Grise
> Joel Koltner wrote:
>> Speaking of HTML/web site creation tools.... I'd be interested to hear
>> from the "well-known guys with well-known web sites" people here on what
>> they use. Joerg, John, Jim?
>>
> <donning pillow fight gear>
>
> Tried Amaya, the tool from my web host company, lots of others, didn't
> like any of them. Then, I used MS-Word ...
>
> <ducking for cover>
Did you wear your asbestos underpants? >:->
MS-Word can put out stuff that looks like HTML, but it's the crappiest
rendition of HTML that I've ever seen.
Good Luck!
Rich
Rich Grise
My plesure! :-) :-) :-)
BTW, what's a "Sleestak"?
Cheers!
Rich
Joel Koltner
> My memories of vi are _not_ pleasant. What a crude editor.
That's what I thought early on as well, since I'd already used some really
good text editors (including CygnusEd on Amigas) and vi was something of a
step backward.
Later on I realized that, OK, with a generic "terminal" interface, all you get
is A-Z, 0-9, some punctuation, control keys... and then a myriad of Byzantine
"escape codes" based on the exact terminal for function keys, cursor keys,
Alt/Mac/Amiga/whatever keys, (no mouse!), etc. From that perspective, trying
to make a powerful editor becomes difficult and strongly suggests a
"mode-based" editor.
> Fortunately PCWrite arrived on the scene quite early.
Yeah, given the choice I'll take a full-featured GUI-based editor any day too.
vi essentially tries to solve the problem of, "powerful but lightweight and
works over any simple/slow connection." (emacs is more like, "powerful but
massive to the point of likely having as more code as your entire operating
system does... and works over any simple/slow connection. :-) )
---Joel
Joel Koltner
> BTW, what's a "Sleestak"?
Scary lizard people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Lost_(1974_television_series)_characters_and_species
Should show up again this summer in the move re-make of Land of the Lost. :-)
Charlie E.
For a while there, I used BlackBeard, a nifty little editor that was
written to do ADA, and then the authors (who I knew... 8-0) realized
it worked for any good structured language. Auto-indent, colors, it
was too good...
Charlie
Frithiof Andreas Jensen
"Bill Bowden" <wronga...@att.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:f45c9bdb-8bbb-49f7...@q14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> Anyway, I'm interested in a reliable webhosting service at reasonable
> rates, that won't go out of business for a few years.
>
> Any suggestions?
Maybe one.com: http://www.one.com/en/
Price per month in EUR
1.25 2.60 4.90
Web space NEW! 3000 MB 10000 MB 25000 MB
Unlimited transfer
Unlimited e-mail accounts
Virus- and spam filter
Photo Gallery NEW!
WebEditor
Blog - 3 clicks
FTP-login - Statistics
PHP5 - MySQL
Daily backup
FREE - Google Adwords coupon
FREE - Live Help 24/7
Domain prices in EUR Annual fee Transfer
.com .net .org .at .cz .mobi .me 12.00 6.00
.info .biz .ch .li 16.00 6.00
.dk .uk .be .it .es .name .cn .in .pl 8.00 2.75
.de .nl 6.00 6.00
Frithiof Andreas Jensen
> On Apr 19, 12:09 pm, qrk <SpamT...@spam.net> wrote:
> What sort of software is needed to maintain the sites? I see that some
> people use a FTP program, while others use some sort of wizard.
Weell - Windows Explorer can do FTP as long as it's not too many files
e.t.c..
> I can pay $10 a month for a service, but I don't want to buy extra
> software to upload files.
WinSCP will do everything FTP'ish. It is free & Open Source too.
>
> Which services include all the software needed to maintain the sites?
>
None, I think. One.com gives the handles to make it possible for one to
install a CMS - f.ex. Drupal. Plain HTML will always work, however.
> Thanks,
>
> -Bill
Joerg
Nothing, because so far everybody could read it just fine. The only
problem I had was that Word initially generated one page incompatible
with IE (their own product!). That was fixed quickly, by a setting in
the preferences or MS-Word.
Joerg
I've tried that as well. Thing is, I also wanted something that can run
my wiki and none of those delivered (Amaya is partially ok) in that the
programs did not allow one-click hyperlink jumps in edit mode. MS-Word
could.
Joerg
But it works. Now I do not use superfluous stuff such as frames or
animated this, that and the other thing. I like to keep things simple.
mi...@sushi.com
wrote:
If MS word is the answer, it must be a funny question. ;-)
I'll hack a bit with Amaya. It looks good.
Joel Koltner
news:SxKHl.27623$yr3....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> I've tried that as well. Thing is, I also wanted something that can run my
> wiki and none of those delivered (Amaya is partially ok) in that the
> programs did not allow one-click hyperlink jumps in edit mode. MS-Word
> could.
Ever tried out Dokuwiki (http://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) ? One of its key
strengths is that it builds its web pages out of relatively unadultered text
files, so you can get by with just using a simple text editor and storing
everything as a regular file... whereas some "fancy" systems require a
full-blown database installation and document editing with a proprietary
editor (or via text editing a file with fancy markup or requiring an external
XML file or somesuch -- lots of efforts).
I haven't actually used Dokuwiki to create a wiki, but I've used other
people's Dokuwiki web sites and was impressed with the results. (Hmm... maybe
I should actually put one on-line and see what happens... this thread has
convinced me that I should try out Kompozer too... although my wife is a
Microsoft Frontpage user so we might end up with a rather disjointed web
site...!)
Wikipedia has a large list of Wiki software here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
---Joel
Joerg
MS-Word can do some amazing things. But I always get a real kick out of
it when people ask for a detailed work statements and such while here,
like a guy who insisted on paying right then and there. Click, click,
click -> Print -> phsssssssssss ... ratatat ... clunk. "What enterprise
software are your using?" ... "MS-Works" ... "WHAT?"
> I'll hack a bit with Amaya. It looks good.
I use that as well at times.
Joerg
> "Joerg" <notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:SxKHl.27623$yr3....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> I've tried that as well. Thing is, I also wanted something that can run my
>> wiki and none of those delivered (Amaya is partially ok) in that the
>> programs did not allow one-click hyperlink jumps in edit mode. MS-Word
>> could.
>
> Ever tried out Dokuwiki (http://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) ? One of its key
> strengths is that it builds its web pages out of relatively unadultered text
> files, so you can get by with just using a simple text editor and storing
> everything as a regular file... whereas some "fancy" systems require a
> full-blown database installation and document editing with a proprietary
> editor (or via text editing a file with fancy markup or requiring an external
> XML file or somesuch -- lots of efforts).
>
I had looked at it a long time ago but should revisit. Back then Word
was the winner because it can jump hyperlinks.
> I haven't actually used Dokuwiki to create a wiki, but I've used other
> people's Dokuwiki web sites and was impressed with the results. (Hmm... maybe
> I should actually put one on-line and see what happens... this thread has
> convinced me that I should try out Kompozer too... although my wife is a
> Microsoft Frontpage user so we might end up with a rather disjointed web
> site...!)
>
> Wikipedia has a large list of Wiki software here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
>
Those comparisons always miss one very important aspect and most wiki SW
I tried could not do it: Edit and browse with the same SW, without
switching anything. For that, it must be able to do web-browser style
hyperlink jumping. I need to be able to use it just like a lab book.
Thumb through pages, write, read, erase, write some more.
JeffM
>>http://www.net2.com/nvu/
>>
Joerg wrote:
>[...]I also wanted something that can run my wiki
>and none of those delivered (Amaya is partially ok) in that
>the programs did not allow one-click hyperlink jumps in edit mode.
>MS-Word could.
A while back you were havng trouble getting a fresh copy of Amaya.
What became of that?
What'd the problem/solution turn out to be?
Just had to wait it out?
Joerg
I have a copy now and use it on my own little wiki. But it ain't quite
as versatile as MS-Word for that job.
Joerg
[...]
> I get a call every couple months or so from ATT to upgrade my dialup
> service to DSL, and I always tell them to go away because I don't need
> it. So, today I called ATT to discuss web hosting figuring they would
> be happy to fill me in on the details, software, etc, but they had no
> clue what I wanted and didn't understand the term "web hosting". So I
> went to the ATT site and found a basic service for about $165 a year
> including domain name registration, but no details on software. But I
> did find a phone number so I will attempt to discuss the problem
> tomorrow.
>
$165? Yikes. I pay $60/year including domain name, oodles of email
accounts, FTP and so on:
Apply the $105 you'll save towards DSL, it sure is worth it. I am on
AT&T DSL. You'll be surprised how fast a fat datasheet PDF zips through.
> I like big names like ATT, they probabaly won't go away for awhile.
>
Because they have secured comfy regional monopolies.
Bill Bowden
wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> "Bill Bowden" <wrongaddr...@att.net> wrote in message
Thanks for the info Joel. Made some progress today and spoke with AT&T
web hosting services, but they couldn't provide details on FTP
software and reffered me to tech support. After a 10 minute wait, tech
support said to use a FTP program which they didn't provide, I would
have to buy, or find free, and they had no recommendations, or how to
use it. They claimed the hosting service was similar to a landlord
renting apartments who provides space without worrying much how you
use it. Very informative.
So, I went looking for FTP programs and found a package called FTP
Commander that looks promising: The free version is only 500KB and
looks to do all the simple stuff.
http://www.internet-soft.com/software-download.htm
Looks like I just need a server name <ftp.att.com> or somesuch, user
ID, and password. There is another entry of <port 21> which can be
changed which I don't understand. The screen is split with arrows
going both ways for download or upload. Seems simple enough.
ATT said I would get an email of needed details, so I assume I'll get
the user name and password and server info. All they want is $164 up
front and then work out the problems.
-Bill
JeffM
>[...]I went looking for FTP programs
>and found a package called FTP Commander that looks promising:
>The free version is only 500KB and looks to do all the simple stuff.
>http://www.internet-soft.com/software-download.htm
>
http://google.com/search?q=cache:OOa3p676FD8J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_FTP_clients+FileZilla+GPL+c+Non.Free+Proprietary+FTP.Commander#Free
--thought there are several that are Free Software.
>Looks like I just need a server name <ftp.att.com> or somesuch,
>user ID, and password. There is another entry of <port 21>
>which can be changed which I don't understand.
Port 21 is the standard port for FTP.
http://google.com/search?q=cache:XtKUhctIhNAJ:www.bctes.com/network-applications-tcp-udp-port-numbers.html+25-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-SMTP+8080+80-*-*-*-*-*-HTTP+23-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-Telnet+mistakenly+53-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-DNS+21-*-*-*-*-*-FTP+119-*-*-*-*-*-NNTP+caching-*+123-*-*-*-*-*-NTP+110-*-*-*-*-*-POP3+HTTP.Alternate+22-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-SSH+829-*-*-*-*-*-CMP+Copyright+194-*-*-*-*-*-IRC+220-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-IMAP+540-*-*-*-*-*-UUCP&strip=1
Maybe someone has a ferinstance when you'd need to alter that.
Joel Koltner
> They claimed the hosting service was similar to a landlord
> renting apartments who provides space without worrying much how you
> use it. Very informative.
Sheesh. I suppose that the guy is correct about the "landlord renting
apartments" model, but I would also think that any good landlord would be more
than happy to help you figure out the dishwasher and furnace, label the
breakers in the electrical panel, suggest some good places to eat, a moving
company, etc.!
> Looks like I just need a server name <ftp.att.com> or somesuch, user
> ID, and password. There is another entry of <port 21> which can be
> changed which I don't understand.
Slightly simplified: When you connect to another machine, beside the server
name, the TCP/IP protocol used for the connection also needs a "port number"
so that one server can provide multiple "applications" simultaneously. E.g.,
HTTP for web pages, HTTPS for sercure web pages, FTP for file transfer, POP3
for e-mail, etc. 21 is the "well known" port number for FTP -- at least of
publicly accessible Internet machines, it's probably safe to say that over 99%
of them are using port 21.
If you're using a web browser, you can specify a port number at the end of the
URL. For instance, HTTP normally lives on port 80, but if for some reason
someone told you their web server was on port 8080 (a common port while doing
development work), you could browse to, e.g., http://www.somewebsite.com:8080
.
> ATT said I would get an email of needed details, so I assume I'll get
> the user name and password and server info. All they want is $164 up
> front and then work out the problems.
AT&T's service in general will certainly be fine, but you can pay
significantly less and get service that's just as good if not better, IMO.
(See the various web hosting services listed in this thread...) I'd be
tempted to take Joerg's suggestion and get the $60/year 1and1.com account and
then donate $100 to the charity of your choice or somesuch. :-)
---Joel
rebel
To be honest, I hadn't considered an upgrade (as the NC version I use does all I
want), but I will certainly explore the possibility.
Nobody
> So, I went looking for FTP programs
Windows includes a command-line FTP program (unless it's been removed;
it's there in XP).
For a free GUI program, look at FileZilla:
Phil Hobbs
> Just received notice that CompuServe Classic, the legendary online
> service that once dominated the industry, will close June 30 after 30
> years in cyberspace. I have been a member since 1981.
>
> http://paperpc.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-over-compuserve-classic-is-closing.html
>
> As a result, my personal webpage "Bowden's Hobby Circuits" at <http://
> ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/>
> will no longer exist, and I must move to a new address.
>
> I spoke with a local webdesigner in my area who recommended
> westhost.com he uses at reasonable rates for basic service, but there
> are several others to consider.
>
> All I need is basic service without pop-up adds, shopping carts,
> blogs, and other stuff. All I want to do is present a simple hobby
> electronics website of text files, gif images, a few Java Scripts,
> and links to other places.
>
> It was recommended to obtain and register a domain name such as
> "BowdensHobbyCircuits.com" so the site can be moved in the future
> without upsetting external links. As it is, all the external links
> pointing to the page at Compuserve will be broken on June 30.
> Probabaly not much I can do about that other than sending emails
> requesting a change of address.
>
> Anyway, I'm interested in a reliable webhosting service at reasonable
> rates, that won't go out of business for a few years.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> -Bill
I use GoDaddy, which works fine. Registering your own domain is a good
idea too, for the given reasons, and you can do the same redirect trick
with your email address. I have about half a dozen domains for various
purposes, including one whose sole use is in identifying outfits that
sell my email address.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Jim Thompson
I have five domain names... mostly used for specific political
activities... like ID-ing low flying airplanes ;-) I probably should
dispose of a few, even though they're very cheap to maintain at
GoDaddy.
My main (and publicly known) domain has around 200 E-mail addresses.
Anytime I order from some new company I assign them a specific E-mail
address. If they abuse the information, they become instant history.
I also have E-mail addresses at some companies where I serve as a
"ghost" consultant (for instance I once had ...@atmel.com) ... unknown
to their customers (and some employees). I may be watching your
design bungling as we speak ;-)
Joel Koltner
> I also have E-mail addresses at some companies where I serve as a
> "ghost" consultant (for instance I once had ...@atmel.com) ... unknown
> to their customers (and some employees). I may be watching your
> design bungling as we speak ;-)
These days I'd be happy to have "real" consultants watching over support
e-mail for IC vendors -- a depressingly large number of the so-called FAEs
I've spoken with at places like National Semi, Linear Tech, etc. don't seem to
actually have real-world design skills, it seems.
I was impressed that On Semiconductor once shunted a support request of mine
to an outside consultant they apparently had on retainer and who really knew
his stuff... On Semi seems to have lost a lot of "mindshare" after the
Motorola split up, even though they make a lot of cool products.
Jim Thompson
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:t721v4t1tdm62fad8...@4ax.com...
>> I also have E-mail addresses at some companies where I serve as a
>> "ghost" consultant (for instance I once had ...@atmel.com) ... unknown
>> to their customers (and some employees). I may be watching your
>> design bungling as we speak ;-)
>
>These days I'd be happy to have "real" consultants watching over support
>e-mail for IC vendors -- a depressingly large number of the so-called FAEs
>I've spoken with at places like National Semi, Linear Tech, etc. don't seem to
>actually have real-world design skills, it seems.
Is there _anything_ approaching real support now-a-days? Seems like
anytime I ask a question about a physical product or software
peculiarity, I get back an E-mail that reeks of a robotic response...
no relation to the question asked.
I've taken to sending E-mail to sales@... , "I didn't buy your product
because..."
>
>I was impressed that On Semiconductor once shunted a support request of mine
>to an outside consultant they apparently had on retainer and who really knew
>his stuff... On Semi seems to have lost a lot of "mindshare" after the
>Motorola split up, even though they make a lot of cool products.
>
>
I did consulting work for ON-Semi (the 74HCxxxx redesigns), early in
the spin-off. Since then everyone I knew has bailed :-(
JeffM
>>[...]I have about half a dozen domains for various purposes,
>>including one whose sole use is in
>>identifying outfits that sell my email address.
>>
>[...]
>My main (and publicly known) domain has around 200 E-mail addresses.
>Anytime I order from some new company
>I assign them a specific E-mail address.
>If they abuse the information, they become instant history.
Do you have a page where you publish the names of the asshats?
Bill Bowden
wrote:
> "Bill Bowden" <wrongaddr...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a7676dde-0fc5-4294...@q2g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> > They claimed the hosting service was similar to a landlord
> > renting apartments who provides space without worrying much how you
> > use it. Very informative.
>
> Sheesh. I suppose that the guy is correct about the "landlord renting
> apartments" model, but I would also think that any good landlord would be more
> than happy to help you figure out the dishwasher and furnace, label the
> breakers in the electrical panel, suggest some good places to eat, a moving
> company, etc.!
>
> > Looks like I just need a server name <ftp.att.com> or somesuch, user
> > ID, and password. There is another entry of <port 21> which can be
> > changed which I don't understand.
>
> Slightly simplified: When you connect to another machine, beside the server
> name, the TCP/IP protocol used for the connection also needs a "port number"
> so that one server can provide multiple "applications" simultaneously. E.g.,
> HTTP for web pages, HTTPS for sercure web pages, FTP for file transfer, POP3
> for e-mail, etc. 21 is the "well known" port number for FTP -- at least of
> publicly accessible Internet machines, it's probably safe to say that over 99%
> of them are using port 21.
>
> If you're using a web browser, you can specify a port number at the end of the
> URL. For instance, HTTP normally lives on port 80, but if for some reason
> someone told you their web server was on port 8080 (a common port while doing
> .
>
> > ATT said I would get an email of needed details, so I assume I'll get
> > the user name and password and server info. All they want is $164 up
> > front and then work out the problems.
>
> AT&T's service in general will certainly be fine, but you can pay
> significantly less and get service that's just as good if not better, IMO.
> (See the various web hosting services listed in this thread...) I'd be
> tempted to take Joerg's suggestion and get the $60/year 1and1.com account and
> then donate $100 to the charity of your choice or somesuch. :-)
>
> ---Joel
Not sure I understand the billing details at 1and1.com. The intro page
indicates a special deal at $2 a month for 6 months and $4 a month
after that. But attempting to open a basic account and reviewing
charges indicates 11.94 for 6 months and 23.94 after that.
Here is a summary of what you will be billed for the next 12 months:
Month
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th
Package:
1&1 Beginner Package 11.94 -- -- -- -- -- 23.94 -- -- -- -- --
Setup fee 4.99 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Total: 16.93 -- -- -- -- -- 23.94 -- -- -- -- --
All prices are in US dollars.
The billing cycle for the 1&1 Beginner Package is 6 months, payable in
advance.
Billing cycle for domains is 1 year, payable in advance.
Anyway, made progress with FTP Commander and managed to download a
couple text files from anonymous ftp sites <ftp.sec.gov> and some
genealogy place <ftp.rootsweb.com>. So, I guess it works, just need a
new server ID and password to upload files.
-Bill
Joel Koltner
> Not sure I understand the billing details at 1and1.com. The intro page
> indicates a special deal at $2 a month for 6 months and $4 a month
> after that. But attempting to open a basic account and reviewing
> charges indicates 11.94 for 6 months and 23.94 after that.
Yeah, they're billing you "six months at a time" ... so for the first six
months it's $2*6=$12 plus the (not very well advertised!) $5 "setup fee"=$17
(round numbers), and for the second six months it's $4*6=$24.
Sounds like you're doing fine with FTP. You'll be up and running again in no
time!
---Joel
Charlie E.
Well, my site is on Microsoft Live (yep, the evil empire!) but I did
that because it was free the first year, and then only around $15
thereafter...
Has the domain name, the emails, and the webhosting included. Decent
tools for the site, plus a whole bunch of web dohickies I don't use.
Charlie
www.edmondsonengineering.com
Joerg
Today I got my 6-month bill. It's always $29.94, since years. Yeah, I
could probably shave off a few bucks but as a business expense that's
down there in the noise.
[...]
Joerg
The "Thompson Hall of Blame"?
Joerg
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:25:33 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
> <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>> message news:t721v4t1tdm62fad8...@4ax.com...
>>> I also have E-mail addresses at some companies where I serve as a
>>> "ghost" consultant (for instance I once had ...@atmel.com) ... unknown
>>> to their customers (and some employees). I may be watching your
>>> design bungling as we speak ;-)
>> These days I'd be happy to have "real" consultants watching over support
>> e-mail for IC vendors -- a depressingly large number of the so-called FAEs
>> I've spoken with at places like National Semi, Linear Tech, etc. don't seem to
>> actually have real-world design skills, it seems.
>
> Is there _anything_ approaching real support now-a-days? Seems like
> anytime I ask a question about a physical product or software
> peculiarity, I get back an E-mail that reeks of a robotic response...
> no relation to the question asked.
>
> I've taken to sending E-mail to sales@... , "I didn't buy your product
> because..."
>
When I'm really miffed I find out the (real) email address of the CEO
which is often surprisingly easy. Sometimes nothing happens, other times
the equivalent of an earthquake results. The internal riot act being
read and all that.
>> I was impressed that On Semiconductor once shunted a support request of mine
>> to an outside consultant they apparently had on retainer and who really knew
>> his stuff... On Semi seems to have lost a lot of "mindshare" after the
>> Motorola split up, even though they make a lot of cool products.
>>
>>
>
> I did consulting work for ON-Semi (the 74HCxxxx redesigns), early in
> the spin-off. Since then everyone I knew has bailed :-(
>
Sad. But they do make some good stuff at favorable prices. Like voltage
supervisor chips.
JeffM
>Well, my site is on Microsoft Live (yep, the evil empire!)
>
http://google.com/images?q=billborg+*-*-*-assimilated
>but I did that because it was free the first year,
>
Yup. The first one always is. Any drug pusher knows that.
>and then only around $15 thereafter...
>
...and as Paul noted in this thread
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/7809dafb5da8b472?q=*-*-informed+xyz+zzz+*-*-*-were-sold+MSN+*-*-had-domains+qq+*-*-*-no-longer-*-valid+uu+Qwest+jj-jj+rr+*-*-buy-back-*-*-*-*+difficult-to-switch
news:49EE9314...@hovnanian.com
that domain name will remain with that host forever.
Jim Thompson
<notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
>JeffM wrote:
>>> Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>>> [...]I have about half a dozen domains for various purposes,
>>>> including one whose sole use is in
>>>> identifying outfits that sell my email address.
>>>>
>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> My main (and publicly known) domain has around 200 E-mail addresses.
>>> Anytime I order from some new company
>>> I assign them a specific E-mail address.
>>> If they abuse the information, they become instant history.
>>
>> Do you have a page where you publish the names of the asshats?
>
>
>The "Thompson Hall of Blame"?
I haven't really kept track... I just delete them from the alias file.
Bill Bowden
wrote:
> "Bill Bowden" <wrongaddr...@att.net> wrote in message
Yes, that looks right. I might try it just to get things going since
it's not a big expense. One question would be, if things don't work
out, and I want to move to another service for some reason, how does
that effect the domain name operation and links to that name?
I don't imagine there can be more than one location for any domain
name, so if I want to move someplace else, do I have to close the old
account first and then setup the new? Or how does that work so there
are never 2 or more domain names in different places at the same time?
How much down time (site doesn't exist, error 404) will occur?
-Bill
Artist
For my low traffic websites I use the $1/month plan at:
http://hostica.com/
I have never had any trouble with this host. One of the low traffic
sites I webmaster on this plan:
http://www.mstishacosta.com/
Its gallery was created with:
http://jalbum.net/
For higher traffic sites I use:
http://hostreflex.com/
Soon I will move one of my sites to a dedicated server at:
http://quillhost.com/
For all my sites I use Dreamweaver:
http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver/
This is a high end editor that has always worked well for me.
I am transitioning one of my sites to Drupal. I do not know how useful
Dreamweaver will be on a Drupal site.
If you want to see larger sites with much more traffic I webmaster
respond to me in private and I will email you the links. None of the
others are for models (sorry ;))
The one exception with Dreamweaver was trouble uploading a large site.
Its FTP would fail with a time out error message after uploading many
files. So for large amounts of files I use FileZilla:
http://filezilla-project.org/
This is open source freeware. It has been a reliable loader.
There was mention of MS Word. Another word processor that can save to
HTML is Open Office:
http://www.openoffice.org/
This is open source freeware.
Eclipse has webpage editing capabilities but I do not know how good it
is. I use Eclipse mostly for PHP and JScript coding and debugging:
http://www.eclipse.org/
This is open source freeware.
With even a modestly featured web page editor it should be possible to
come up with Regular Expressions that would change all the links for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expressions
If all these links are within your site, and if these links are relative
ones, you should not have to edit them.
Information about HTML and more:
http://w3schools.com/
Most of my domains (about 130 of them) are registered at Godaddy:
http://www.godaddy.com/
Some of them are registered at Gandi:
http://www.gandi.net/
All of them used to be registered at Gandi. I transitioned them to
Godaddy to keep dollars in the USA. This policy may change depending on
what happens in Kentucky:
http://www.point-spreads.com/industry/012009-internet-gambling-domain-name-seizures-blocked-by-kentucky-appeals-court.html
On the other hand maybe the remaining domain names at Gandi will have to
go to Godaddy because the dollar as about to become worthless:
http://peter-schiff.com/
For both of these registrars you legally own the domain name. So it is
not possible for them to steal them the way MSN did.
--
To reply directly remove the sj. from my email address. This is a spam
jammer.
Joel Koltner
"Bill Bowden" <wronga...@att.net> wrote in message
news:3552f4b5-ab4d-4c10...@o27g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
> Yes, that looks right. I might try it just to get things going since
> it's not a big expense. One question would be, if things don't work
> out, and I want to move to another service for some reason, how does
> that effect the domain name operation and links to that name?
It'd definitely be worth e-mailing them and asking if you really own the
domain registration or not -- it was in this thread that I first heard about
the problem where some ISPs will *provide* you with a registration but
maintain that *they* still own it. That would really suck!
> I don't imagine there can be more than one location for any domain
> name, so if I want to move someplace else, do I have to close the old
> account first and then setup the new?
The important thing to know here is that web site hosting and domain
registration are two separate services, and there's no technical reason you
have to have both with the same company... it's just usually easier than way.
The domain registration itself maps your web site's name (e.g.,
billbowden.com) to the name servers of your hosting company (e.g.,
ns1.oneandone.com, which is the machine that actually resolves billbowden.com
to an IP address such as 123.45.67.89). If you change your *web hosting* to a
different company, you just have to update the "name servers" entry in the
registration to point to the new web hosting company's name servers; this is
usually done through a web-based interface. (All the web hosting companies
these days have fancy web-based "control panels" for administering your web
site, domain registrations, etc. When you sign up, they tell you what the
URLs are for that control panel, give you a logon name/password, etc.)
Assuming you do want to transfer the registration to a new registrar,
ultimately what happens is that you tell the new guys to request a transfer of
the domain registration from whoever you signed up with originally. What's
then supposed to happen is that those original registrar contacts you and
confirms you've authorized the transfer (this is an important step since
otherwise everyone would hijack google.com and microsoft.com and point them to
their own web sites :-) ). The details of that authorization vary a bit --
sometimes it's just an e-mail that's sent to you by a person, but other times
an automated process provides you with an authorization code that you then
forward to your new registrar.
> Or how does that work so there
> are never 2 or more domain names in different places at the same time?
> How much down time (site doesn't exist, error 404) will occur?
If the old web host is still around, if you change the domain registration to
point to a new web host, when people enter billbowden.com then for some period
up to a couple of days they'll potentially just get your old web site instead
of the new one. If you're simultaneously drop your old web host while
changing the domain registration and setting up a new web host, then of course
they'll get "404 not found" for up to a couple of days.
My experience is that in actuality it usually doesn't take more than a handful
of hours (well under a day) for domain registrations to get updated (when I'm
connecting from within the U.S. to a web site located within the U.S.), but
they always tell you it could be a couple of days because the updates have to
literally propagate around the globe... so while all the changes in the U.S.
will tend to happen within hours, getting to some name server out in, e.g.,
rural China can take rather longer.
---Joel
Joel Koltner
news:BKCdnZRVR6_e3WzU...@speakeasy.net...
> I have never had any trouble with this host. One of the low traffic sites I
> webmaster on this plan:
> http://www.mstishacosta.com/
Nice, although she could use a better photographer. :-)
Also, this bit of your page... "The contents of this site including the text
and the images are copyrighted. You will be vigorously pursued legally if you
pirate them." That's just silly -- it'll do far more to turn-off potential
customers than it will to deter would-be copyright infringers. The Sports
Illustrated Swimsuit Issue web page doesn't feel the need for such language,
and I bet they have a lot more of their images stolen than hers. :-)
I'm not trying to sound like a prick here, though -- you've posted a lot of
really useful links; thanks!
---Joel
JeffM
>>[...]if things don't work out,
>>and I want to move to another service for some reason, how does
>>that effect the domain name operation and links to that name?
>>
Joel Koltner wrote:
>[...]the machine that actually resolves billbowden.com
>to an IP address such as 123.45.67.89).
>If you change your *web hosting* to a different company,
>you just have to update the "name servers" entry in the registration
>to point to the new web hosting company's name servers;
>
the new location *can* be accessed via numerical address.
>>[...]
>>How much down time (site doesn't exist, error 404) will occur?
>>
ISTM that a day or so before requesting the DNS change,
you could do a redirect from the old host to the new one
resulting in **zero** deadband.
Practical? Anyone done that?
JeffM
>[Lotta good stuff]
>
>There was mention of MS Word.
>Another word processor that can save to HTML is Open Office:
>
I took a page that I knew passed the W3C Validator,
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://mail-archive.com/
saved it with SeaMonkey Composer, and validated that.
It passed.
I tried the same thing with OOo;
OpenOffice inserted 21 coding errors.
Office suites produce LOUSY HTML.
>Most of my domains (about 130 of them) are registered at Godaddy:
>Some of them are registered at Gandi:
>All of them used to be registered at Gandi.
>I transitioned them to Godaddy to keep dollars in the USA.
>
...where they are subject to the whims of posturing politicians.
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?&mode=nocomment&sid=08/02/18/043211
More of the saga:
http://google.com/search?q=site:slashdot.org+eNom+WikiLeaks+-intitle:nerds+-inurl:tags+-inurl:Firehose+-inurl:idle+-Scientology
>This policy may change depending on what happens in Kentucky:
>http://www.point-spreads.com/industry/012009-internet-gambling-domain-name-seizures-blocked-by-kentucky-appeals-court.html
>
Like I said...
JeffM
>Most of my domains (about 130 of them) are registered at Godaddy:
I forgot a link:
A lot of folks think GoDaddy sucks. This guy aggregates the gripes:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:d4OqJGG9gz4J:nodaddy.com+*-*-*-*-*-document-*-*-customer-abuse-*-*+*-*-*-first-hand-*+*-*-attorneys+thwart-*-attempts-to-transfer-*-*-*+overcharge+doesn't-*-*-focus-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*+pro.bono+*-*-*-*-lie+full.details&strip=1#intro
>Some of them are registered at Gandi:
>
I can't say I've ever heard a cross word about Gandi.
Lawrence Statton
> I can't say I've ever heard a cross word about Gandi.
I've been a Gandi customer for six or seven years, and I'm slowly moving
every domain I'm responsible over to them. They were - at the time I
selected them - the only registrar (I could find) that offered JUST
registration and secondary name-service without trying to bundle any
application layer support. Plus they had a user-interface that Failed To
Suck.
I've known many people who were "serviced" by GoDaddy who have left
disgruntled.
--n1gak
Artist
Until now I have been unaware of this much dissatisfaction with Godaddy.
I am going to seriously consider moving my domains. I cannot afford to
lose any of them.
--
Nobody
>> I don't imagine there can be more than one location for any domain
>> name, so if I want to move someplace else, do I have to close the old
>> account first and then setup the new?
>
> The important thing to know here is that web site hosting and domain
> registration are two separate services, and there's no technical reason you
> have to have both with the same company...
It's probably worth knowing that domain registration, domain hosting and
website hosting are all distinct. Many providers will offer to provide all
of the above (along with email hosting) as a bundle. If you register the
domain through a hosting provider, check the fine print to ensure that you
own the domain.
> My experience is that in actuality it usually doesn't take more than a
> handful of hours (well under a day) for domain registrations to get
> updated (when I'm connecting from within the U.S. to a web site located
> within the U.S.), but they always tell you it could be a couple of days
> because the updates have to literally propagate around the globe... so
> while all the changes in the U.S. will tend to happen within hours,
> getting to some name server out in, e.g., rural China can take rather
> longer.
The main factor which determines the time taken to propagate is the
TTL (time-to-live) value on the DNS records. This determines
how long intermediate DNS servers will cache the record. If a server
has a cached record, it will return the cached version to its clients
until the TTL has expired. There isn't anything a user or the domain's
host can do to accelerate this process once a record has been cached.
If you know that you will soon be modifying DNS records, it's a good idea
to reduce the TTL in advance of the change.
Most DNS servers impose minimum and maximum values for a TTL. The maximum
value prevents someone from setting a 3-month TTL then screaming
at their hosting provider to "do something" about all of the cached
records which persist after any change. A minimum TTL limits the load on
DNS servers.
Bill Bowden
wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> "Bill Bowden" <wrongaddr...@att.net> wrote in message
Thanks for the info Joel.
But I'm reading bad reports about 1and1.com at:
http://www.wolf-howl.com/reviews/1and1com-web-hosting-sucks/
http://www.complaints.com/1and1com-151623/1and1com-draconian-billing-practices-151623.html
Other problems are reported about GoDaddy.com at:
http://www.v7n.com/forums/web-hosting-forum/11000-problems-go-daddy-hosting.html
Even Yahoo hosting has negative reports:
http://www.durangobill.com/Yahoo_Customer_Service.html
But, I can't find anything negative about AT&T.
At least at AT&T I can talk to somebody and they seem to know what
they are doing. It also fits my phone bill, so everything is included,
phone, webhosting, and domain registration in one account. The lady I
spoke with said I had excellent credit and was eager to set me up.
It's a little more money, but may be worth it.
-Bill
Jasen Betts
>
> Thanks for the info Joel. Made some progress today and spoke with AT&T
> web hosting services, but they couldn't provide details on FTP
> software and reffered me to tech support. After a 10 minute wait, tech
> support said to use a FTP program which they didn't provide, I would
> have to buy, or find free, and they had no recommendations, or how to
> use it.
Windows comes with one. It's not particularly flash, being based on
something Microsoft took from BSD about 10 years ago, but it meets the
definition. (open a command prompt and type "ftp" and press [enter])
on the other hand most wep page editing programs have some sort of FTP
capability built in.
Jasen Betts
> Port 21 is the standard port for FTP.
> http://google.com/search?q=cache:XtKUhctIhNAJ:www.bctes.com/network-applications-tcp-udp-port-numbers.html+25-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-SMTP+8080+80-*-*-*-*-*-HTTP+23-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-Telnet+mistakenly+53-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-DNS+21-*-*-*-*-*-FTP+119-*-*-*-*-*-NNTP+caching-*+123-*-*-*-*-*-NTP+110-*-*-*-*-*-POP3+HTTP.Alternate+22-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-SSH+829-*-*-*-*-*-CMP+Copyright+194-*-*-*-*-*-IRC+220-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-IMAP+540-*-*-*-*-*-UUCP&strip=1
> Maybe someone has a ferinstance when you'd need to alter that.
If someone puts an ftp server on a different port number, perhaps
their server is behind a NAT firewall and port 21 on that firewall is
already in use?
Jasen Betts
>
> Yes, that looks right. I might try it just to get things going since
> it's not a big expense. One question would be, if things don't work
> out, and I want to move to another service for some reason, how does
> that effect the domain name operation and links to that name?
you can point a domain name at any number of servers. your visitor's
sofware will pick one of them at random. unless the servers have
identical content it may be confusing for the.
for a real life example (of this confusion) try http://us.pool.ntp.org
(this domain is actually used for serving identical content from all
servers, but it's not web content, just most servers do that also)
try it again tomorrow and you'll probably get a different website.
> I don't imagine there can be more than one location for any domain
> name,
I don't know that there's a limit.
> so if I want to move someplace else, do I have to close the old
> account first and then setup the new? Or how does that work so there
> are never 2 or more domain names in different places at the same time?
> How much down time (site doesn't exist, error 404) will occur?
you may have to transfer the DNS hosting to another provider, but
there's no problem having two servers on different IP addresses
serving one domain name
eg: google does it.
http://www.dnswatch.info/dns/dnslookup?la=en&host=google.com&type=A&submit=Resolve
the three type 'A' records are three servers probably in different locations.
Jasen Betts
>>Bill Bowden wrote:
>>>[...]if things don't work out,
>>>and I want to move to another service for some reason, how does
>>>that effect the domain name operation and links to that name?
>>>[...]do I have to close the old account first and then setup the new?
>>>
> Joel Koltner wrote:
>>[...]the machine that actually resolves billbowden.com
>>to an IP address such as 123.45.67.89).
>>If you change your *web hosting* to a different company,
>>you just have to update the "name servers" entry in the registration
>>to point to the new web hosting company's name servers;
>>
> ...and, in the meantime,
> the new location *can* be accessed via numerical address.
Mot in most cases if you intend to view web pages.
many servers have a number of sites sharing a single IP address.
if you go to the IP address you'll get a page put there by the authors
of the web server, or the site's administrator.
however the hosts file will usually work in the interim (eg for
testing the new server before the DNS record is updated) lots of good
help on how to find and use the hosts file on the internet.
Jasen Betts
> Hi Bill,
>
> "Bill Bowden" <wronga...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:3552f4b5-ab4d-4c10...@o27g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
>> Yes, that looks right. I might try it just to get things going since
>> it's not a big expense. One question would be, if things don't work
>> out, and I want to move to another service for some reason, how does
>> that effect the domain name operation and links to that name?
>
> It'd definitely be worth e-mailing them and asking if you really own the
> domain registration or not -- it was in this thread that I first heard about
> the problem where some ISPs will *provide* you with a registration but
> maintain that *they* still own it. That would really suck!
Indeed!
> The important thing to know here is that web site hosting and domain
> registration are two separate services,
three different services.
Registration gets you a domain name
Domain Name Service gets you the ability to associuate servers
with the domain name - these can be web servers for web pages or
SMTP servers for inbound emails (addressed to someone@your_domain)
etc.
Web servers serve web pages. most smalls sites can be put on a
shared server that also serves pages for other domains too.
most registration providers offer DNS too, often at no, or low cost.
same with most web providers.
in some unusual cases it's better to move it to different server.
> My experience is that in actuality it usually doesn't take more than a handful
> of hours (well under a day) for domain registrations to get updated (when I'm
> connecting from within the U.S. to a web site located within the U.S.), but
> they always tell you it could be a couple of days because the updates have to
> literally propagate around the globe... so while all the changes in the U.S.
> will tend to happen within hours, getting to some name server out in, e.g.,
> rural China can take rather longer.
DNS record have expiry times attached. some servers give shorter
expiry times (dyndns.org being one extreme example) but some servers
igonore the expiry times given and keep them for 24 hours.
Jasen Betts
> Later on I realized that, OK, with a generic "terminal" interface, all you get
> is A-Z, 0-9, some punctuation, control keys... and then a myriad of Byzantine
> "escape codes" based on the exact terminal for function keys, cursor keys,
> Alt/Mac/Amiga/whatever keys, (no mouse!), etc. From that perspective, trying
> to make a powerful editor becomes difficult and strongly suggests a
> "mode-based" editor.
I have no problems sending mouse clicks over text-mode SSH connections
when I desire. mainly I used jed (which is uses emacs like commands)
but usually with mouse support turned off (because it doesn't add
much, and makes select and pastse a two-handed task), but when
interacting with dialog (/usr/bin/dialog) based interfaces I often use
the mouse.