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John Larkin  
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 More options Oct 9 2012, 11:49 am
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
From: John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:49:20 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 9 2012 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Dumb question regarding SMPS
On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 07:37:25 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>spamtrap1888 wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 6:59 pm, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:21:35 -0400, "Martin Riddle"
>>>> <martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>>>> in messagenews:5396789ln236d2okjpbcv2m1on9gmejtqn@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:03:12 -0700, John Larkin
>>>>>> <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:52:15 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>>>>>>> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> If someone has a free moment, I'd like to know:
>>>>>>>> I'm on my third laptop right now. Every time I plugged my Dell's "fat
>>>>>>>> snake" into the wall, I drew quite an arc. The Lenovo's arc was not
>>>>>>>> noticeable, but now I get a noticeable arc with my new HP -- not as
>>>>>>>> big as the Dell's, however.
>>>>>>>> I know FA about switch mode power supplies, obviously, so I wonder
>>>>>>>> 1. What produces the arc?
>>>>>>>> 2. Why would different power supplies produce different arcs (does it
>>>>>>>> just depend on output power capability)?
>>>>>>>> 3. Why is there no arc when I pull the plug from the outlet?
>>>>>>> Dumb switching power supplies have a bridge rectifier and a big
>>>>>>> electrolytic filter capacitor. If you plug them in near the peak of
>>>>>>> the AC line waveform, the charging current will spark.
>>>>>>> Better supplies, with inrush limiters, or PFC (power factor corrected)
>>>>>>> front-ends, have much less inrush charge.
>>>>>>> Ask Jim for details. He is *so good* at designing switching power
>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>> Indeed I am >:-)
>>>>> I like the ucc28019a. works like a champ. Undervoltage lockout too ;)
>>>>> Cheers
>>>> So does the L6561.  But poorly documented and no model; and ST ignores
>>>> my pounding on their door >:-)
>>>> If I could make major changes I'd design ST out _forever_!
>>> Might be the new normal. I want to design in a National video driver,
>>> LMH6722. Has a thermal pad under its belly. In the datasheet they forgot
>>> to mention where its s'posed to be connected to. Probably V- but I'd
>>> rather make sure. Filed a support ticket with the new owner TI on 10/2.
>>> Got a service request number.

>>> Today is 10/8 and (finally! ... or so I thought) there was a message in
>>> the inbox this morning. A form letter, merely saying that, tada, a
>>> service request number has been issued. New number: Same as the old number.

>>> So I responded politely as to when I might be expecting an answer. No
>>> response all day.

>>> Hurumph!

>> They're either overworked or lazy, so they punted. Probably the
>> responders are graded based on how fast they turn around responses,
>> and on yours they already hit infinity.

>Lo and behold, just as I wanted to order samples I finally had a "You've
>got mail" event. TI support said the pad is not connected to anything.
>It can be left floating (which I'd never do, of course), connected to
>V-, or connected to GND (which I'll do).

The ground plane is a good place to dump heat, plus some additional
heat spreader patterns on other layers, when possible. The optimum via
pattern to do that isn't obvious. We've had debates around that issue.

I wish I had some software to help with that. We just sort of guess.

Data sheets should state the power pad electrical connection. Often
it's missing, or obscure.

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John Larkin                  Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com   jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com  

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