Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
From: John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:49:20 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 9 2012 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Dumb question regarding SMPS
On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 07:37:25 -0700, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid>
wrote: >spamtrap1888 wrote:
The ground plane is a good place to dump heat, plus some additional
>> On Oct 8, 6:59 pm, Joerg <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:21:35 -0400, "Martin Riddle" >>>> <martin_...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote >>>>> in messagenews:5396789ln236d2okjpbcv2m1on9gmejtqn@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:03:12 -0700, John Larkin >>>>>> <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:52:15 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 >>>>>>> <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> If someone has a free moment, I'd like to know: >>>>>>>> I'm on my third laptop right now. Every time I plugged my Dell's "fat >>>>>>>> snake" into the wall, I drew quite an arc. The Lenovo's arc was not >>>>>>>> noticeable, but now I get a noticeable arc with my new HP -- not as >>>>>>>> big as the Dell's, however. >>>>>>>> I know FA about switch mode power supplies, obviously, so I wonder >>>>>>>> 1. What produces the arc? >>>>>>>> 2. Why would different power supplies produce different arcs (does it >>>>>>>> just depend on output power capability)? >>>>>>>> 3. Why is there no arc when I pull the plug from the outlet? >>>>>>> Dumb switching power supplies have a bridge rectifier and a big >>>>>>> electrolytic filter capacitor. If you plug them in near the peak of >>>>>>> the AC line waveform, the charging current will spark. >>>>>>> Better supplies, with inrush limiters, or PFC (power factor corrected) >>>>>>> front-ends, have much less inrush charge. >>>>>>> Ask Jim for details. He is *so good* at designing switching power >>>>>>> supplies. >>>>>> Indeed I am >:-) >>>>> I like the ucc28019a. works like a champ. Undervoltage lockout too ;) >>>>> Cheers >>>> So does the L6561. But poorly documented and no model; and ST ignores >>>> my pounding on their door >:-) >>>> If I could make major changes I'd design ST out _forever_! >>> Might be the new normal. I want to design in a National video driver, >>> LMH6722. Has a thermal pad under its belly. In the datasheet they forgot >>> to mention where its s'posed to be connected to. Probably V- but I'd >>> rather make sure. Filed a support ticket with the new owner TI on 10/2. >>> Got a service request number. >>> Today is 10/8 and (finally! ... or so I thought) there was a message in
>>> So I responded politely as to when I might be expecting an answer. No
>>> Hurumph!
>> They're either overworked or lazy, so they punted. Probably the
>Lo and behold, just as I wanted to order samples I finally had a "You've
heat spreader patterns on other layers, when possible. The optimum via pattern to do that isn't obvious. We've had debates around that issue. I wish I had some software to help with that. We just sort of guess.
Data sheets should state the power pad electrical connection. Often
-- John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
Precision electronic instrumentation
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