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Jon Kirwan

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Jan 6, 2009, 1:06:34 AM1/6/09
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Looks like it is due out soon:

http://isbn.nu/9780521809269/
http://isbn.nu/0521809266

Of course, I don't know if that date with pan out, either. Does
anyone know better if that date is reasonably close to good? (I also
notice that the list price for the hardbound is much less than the
1989 list price.)

Jon

Klaus Kragelund

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Jan 6, 2009, 7:26:17 AM1/6/09
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John Devereux

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Jan 6, 2009, 1:58:58 PM1/6/09
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Jon Kirwan <jo...@infinitefactors.org> writes:

That seems very close, I would think we would have heard directly if
it were finished. Although Win's been pretty quiet, hopefully he's
working on it.

I wonder if there is a "student manual" to go with it this time - I
never got it with the original AoE(s), and it seems this was a
mistake.

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Jon Kirwan

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Jan 6, 2009, 2:08:11 PM1/6/09
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:58 +0000, John Devereux
<jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:

>Jon Kirwan <jo...@infinitefactors.org> writes:
>
>> Looks like it is due out soon:
>>
>> http://isbn.nu/9780521809269/
>> http://isbn.nu/0521809266
>>
>> Of course, I don't know if that date with pan out, either. Does
>> anyone know better if that date is reasonably close to good? (I also
>> notice that the list price for the hardbound is much less than the
>> 1989 list price.)
>
>That seems very close, I would think we would have heard directly if
>it were finished. Although Win's been pretty quiet, hopefully he's
>working on it.

That's a thought that had crossed my mind, too.

>I wonder if there is a "student manual" to go with it this time - I
>never got it with the original AoE(s), and it seems this was a
>mistake.

I did get it and it was a great piece of supplemental material. A lot
of other times I'd picked up 'student manuals' it wasn't worth the
bother. And I had been a bit skeptical buying this one. But when I
got get and read through, I was very very happy about it. No question
it helped me a lot.

Jon

Jim Thompson

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Jan 6, 2009, 2:07:57 PM1/6/09
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:58 +0000, John Devereux
<jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote:

There was a "Student Manual" for the original... I have a copy.

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Joel Koltner

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Jan 6, 2009, 2:14:36 PM1/6/09
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"John Devereux" <jo...@devereux.me.uk> wrote in message
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> I wonder if there is a "student manual" to go with it this time - I
> never got it with the original AoE(s), and it seems this was a
> mistake.

Did you order the lab manual? It's always been a separate publication, AFAIK.


John Devereux

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Jan 6, 2009, 2:38:48 PM1/6/09
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"Joel Koltner" <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> writes:

No, I knew it was separate - I just didn't buy one!

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Rich Webb

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Jan 6, 2009, 2:41:37 PM1/6/09
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:58 +0000, John Devereux <jo...@devereux.me.uk>
wrote:

>Jon Kirwan <jo...@infinitefactors.org> writes:


>
>> Looks like it is due out soon:
>>
>> http://isbn.nu/9780521809269/
>> http://isbn.nu/0521809266
>>
>> Of course, I don't know if that date with pan out, either. Does
>> anyone know better if that date is reasonably close to good? (I also
>> notice that the list price for the hardbound is much less than the
>> 1989 list price.)
>
>That seems very close, I would think we would have heard directly if
>it were finished. Although Win's been pretty quiet, hopefully he's
>working on it.

One possible indication is his posting frequency of late, which has been
significantly higher than it was over the summer. From what I see in
s.e.d on my local server, nothing over the summer, one each in Oct and
Nov, 12 in Dec, and 8 already in January.

I'm guessing that the page proofs were blessed around mid December. ;-)

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Jim Thompson

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Jan 6, 2009, 2:49:34 PM1/6/09
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I wasn't able to get both on the same site.

AoE from Amazon

Student Manual from Abebooks

Spehro Pefhany

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Jan 6, 2009, 2:58:16 PM1/6/09
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Someone feel like cooking up a script to plot Win's posting frequency
by month? ;-)

Winfield Hill

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Jan 6, 2009, 3:15:07 PM1/6/09
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On Jan 6, 2:41 pm, Rich Webb <bbew...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:58 +0000, John Devereux <j...@devereux.me.uk>
> wrote:

I'm sorry Rich, we're not done yet. But we have finished
enough to be able to concentrate on material that's much
more advanced than we had before, which you should
find interesting.

BTW, if one of you manages to get a copy of the 3rd ed
next month, please let us see it so we can finish sooner!

Rich Webb

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Jan 6, 2009, 3:54:05 PM1/6/09
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Well then glum. I just picked up C.J. Cherryh's latest and I guess it's
thick enough to tide me over for a little while...

JeffM

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Jan 6, 2009, 5:12:36 PM1/6/09
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>Someone feel like cooking up a script
>to plot Win's posting frequency by month? ;-)

They haven't been so numerous that you can't just eyeball them:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=author:Winfield+OR+author:Win-Hill+ingroup:electronics&scoring=d&num=100

JeffM

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Jan 6, 2009, 5:14:42 PM1/6/09
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Winfield Hill wrote:
>BTW, if one of you manages to get a copy of the 3rd ed
>next month, please let us see it so we can finish sooner!

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Step 2: Make sure it can do 88mph.

Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie

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Jan 6, 2009, 7:49:46 PM1/6/09
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:08:11 +0000, Jon Kirwan wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:58:58 +0000, John Devereux <jo...@devereux.me.uk>
>
>>I wonder if there is a "student manual" to go with it this time - I never
>>got it with the original AoE(s), and it seems this was a mistake.
>
> I did get it and it was a great piece of supplemental material. A lot of
> other times I'd picked up 'student manuals' it wasn't worth the bother.
> And I had been a bit skeptical buying this one. But when I got get and
> read through, I was very very happy about it. No question it helped me a
> lot.

Something that would be kewl would be to separate out the Q & A: If you
buy the book, it comes with both the Q and A parts; then, put the Q part
on-line for free, and charge for access to the A part. >:->

Cheers!
Rich

Winfield Hill

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Jan 6, 2009, 9:11:59 PM1/6/09
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ahahahahahah! -- Thanks!

Jon Kirwan

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Jan 7, 2009, 1:10:12 AM1/7/09
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:54:05 -0500, Rich Webb
<bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:

>I just picked up C.J. Cherryh's latest

Any good? I've never read a single sf or fantasy story from her.
Should I take a crack? And if so, what would you recommend as my
first?

Thanks,
Jon

Rich Webb

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Jan 7, 2009, 8:40:10 AM1/7/09
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:10:12 GMT, Jon Kirwan <jo...@infinitefactors.org>
wrote:

She's probably the best writer going at answering John W. Campbell's
challenge to write a story about something that thinks as well as (or
better than) a human but not *like* a human. In that vein, the Chanur
novels from the 80's, her earlier Kesrith series, or the still in
progress Foreigner books are all good reads. There's also an entire body
of work set in her Alliance-Union universe. Cyteen (a Hugo winner) is
probably the best known of these; the just-published Regenisis is a
continuation.

She's not as prolific in the fantasy realms, but The Dreaming Tree is
simply wonderful (pun intended).

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

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Jan 7, 2009, 3:52:36 PM1/7/09
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Rich Webb wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:10:12 GMT, Jon Kirwan <jo...@infinitefactors.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:54:05 -0500, Rich Webb
>> <bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
>>
>>> I just picked up C.J. Cherryh's latest
>> Any good? I've never read a single sf or fantasy story from her.
>> Should I take a crack? And if so, what would you recommend as my
>> first?
>
> She's probably the best writer going at answering John W. Campbell's
> challenge to write a story about something that thinks as well as (or
> better than) a human but not *like* a human. In that vein, the Chanur

A severe case of Aspergers is a good model.

> novels from the 80's, her earlier Kesrith series, or the still in
> progress Foreigner books are all good reads. There's also an entire body
> of work set in her Alliance-Union universe. Cyteen (a Hugo winner) is
> probably the best known of these; the just-published Regenisis is a
> continuation.
>
> She's not as prolific in the fantasy realms, but The Dreaming Tree is
> simply wonderful (pun intended).

These days I'm into Greg Egan and Charles Stross.
Here's a freebie from the latter - quite good IMO.
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/colderwar.htm

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