Obama Ayers Association Spells Death Knell for Obama's Character
ValleyGirl
If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of intelligence,
they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
The two are mutually exclusive.
Jim Yanik
news:4e3ie4tfit4lrst50...@4ax.com:
>
> If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of intelligence,
> they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>
> The two are mutually exclusive.
>
actually,they could be quite intelligent,but extremely biased.
It's also amazing how intelligent people can delude themselves.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Rich Webb
So, who is this Ayers guy who spells Death Knell, anyway? I guess he
must at least be on the FBI's Most Wanted List, if he's so evil?
Probably on the run and hiding somewhere in, say, North Korea? I can't
imagine that he could be any less and still be a knell of some kind.
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
UltimatePatriot
<bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
>So, who is this Ayers guy
Tam
"Rich Webb" <bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in message
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He was found guilty, but the conviction was overthrown because of an
improper wire tap. Bill Clinton pardoned him. I believe he is currently a
professor at UI.
Tam
UltimatePatriot
>He was found guilty, but the conviction was overthrown because of an
>improper wire tap. Bill Clinton pardoned him. I believe he is currently a
>professor at UI.
>
>Tam
FOUND GUILTY OF BOMBING FEDERAL BUILDINGS!
What the fuck is this guy a professor of?
Obamanisms? Does he also go to Rev. Wright's church?
We do NOT need an Obamanation.
Jon Slaughter
"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:46:52 -0400, "Tam" <t-ta...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>He was found guilty, but the conviction was overthrown because of an
>>improper wire tap. Bill Clinton pardoned him. I believe he is currently a
>>professor at UI.
>>
>>Tam
>
>
> FOUND GUILTY OF BOMBING FEDERAL BUILDINGS!
>
> What the fuck is this guy a professor of?
>
Home Grown Terrorists 101
How to Overthrow the Government
How to Rig an Election
How to Kill People and Destroy a Nation
I think Obama sat in a few of his classes and had private lessons from the
prof!
krw
Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org says...
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:46:52 -0400, "Tam" <t-ta...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >He was found guilty, but the conviction was overthrown because of an
> >improper wire tap. Bill Clinton pardoned him. I believe he is currently a
> >professor at UI.
> >
> >Tam
>
>
> FOUND GUILTY OF BOMBING FEDERAL BUILDINGS!
>
> What the fuck is this guy a professor of?
"Education", of course.
--
Keith
Damon Hill
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> "UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
> news:0obie4tps94d5pmit...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:46:52 -0400, "Tam" <t-ta...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>He was found guilty, but the conviction was overthrown because of an
>>>improper wire tap. Bill Clinton pardoned him. I believe he is currently a
>>>professor at UI.
>>>
>>>Tam
>>
>>
>> FOUND GUILTY OF BOMBING FEDERAL BUILDINGS!
>>
>> What the fuck is this guy a professor of?
>>
>
> Home Grown Terrorists 101
>
> How to Overthrow the Government
>
> How to Rig an Election
>
> How to Kill People and Destroy a Nation
Sounds remarkably (ultra) right-wing.
--Damon
Jon Slaughter
"Damon Hill" <damon...@comcast.not> wrote in message
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Really? I didn't know obama and ayers was right-wing.
How come radical liberals always blame the "right" for doing such things but
they themselfs are the ones doing it? How many "right wing" people out out
their blowing up buildings, planning to overthrow the government, having
violent protests(such as the ones during the RNC), etc etc etc!
About the only thing I have seen right wing nuts do is attack abortion
clinics... but I guess that is enough justification for left wing groups.
Jim Thompson
About the same percentage as terrorist Christians.
>
>About the only thing I have seen right wing nuts do is attack abortion
>clinics... but I guess that is enough justification for left wing groups.
>
Yep. Wonder what percentage of Republicans do that? Probably
immeasurably small.
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute. Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.
JeffM
Guilt by association doesn't seem to work:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:iU8hn-r1BEsJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five+McCain
Rich Webb
Ahh, I see. So, Obama met this Ayers guy a few times and even served on
a committee with him! Gosh darn, that's pretty bad.
So if guilt by association is in play, is it important that the
Republican VP candidate is married to a professed traitor? Wasn't the
First Dude a genuine member of the Alaska Independence Party, a party
with the stated position of secession from the USA? A party whose
founder stated "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for
America or her damned institutions" and who refused to be buried under
the American flag (his remains are in Canada).
I guess if Obama can be pilloried for associating with somebody whose
radical behavior occurred when Obama was, what, eight years old, then
it's fair to ask why Palin supports the AKIP today. Last I heard,
secessionists are indeed traitors. Why does Sarah Palin hate America?
McCain, too, since he picked her. Why does John McCain hate America?
Jim Thompson
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:29:13 -0400, Rich Webb
<bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
Barfed a turd.
Once a weenie, always a weenie
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so ignorant...
They don't even know the definition of ignorant
Jon Slaughter
"Rich Webb" <bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in message
So I guess your voting for Obama! Sounds like it when you try to justify
obama's actions with palin's. (last I heard the "AIP" didn't try to kill
anyone) In any case you seem to think palin is running for president... oh,
but she's one heart beat away! omg... your so amazing richie!!
Go ahead and also explain away Acorn, Wright, Rezko, and god knows who else.
Your such a genius I'm sure you can come up with some explination for all
these coincidental relationships.
Of course you'd rather have hilter be president if he was a democrat rather
than jesus if he was a republican.
krw
Jon_Sl...@Hotmail.com says...
...and Pelosi is only two heartbeats away. Now you can sleep
peacefully.
> Go ahead and also explain away Acorn, Wright, Rezko, and god knows who else.
> Your such a genius I'm sure you can come up with some explination for all
> these coincidental relationships.
Easy. It was George Bush's fault.
> Of course you'd rather have hilter be president if he was a democrat rather
> than jesus if he was a republican.
He was just misunderstood when he was a child.
--
Keith
bill....@ieee.org
Site.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:29:13 -0400, Rich Webb
<snip>
> | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
> | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
> | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
> | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
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>
> Liberals are so ignorant...
> They don't even know the definition of ignorant
ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an
ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Middle English ignoraunt, from Old French ignorant, from Latin
ignrns, ignrant-, present participle of ignrre, to be ignorant, not to
know; see gn- in Indo-European roots.]
Jim Thompson regularly provides examples of ignorance, and his
reaction to posts that correct his errors is to kill-file the source
of the correction, so he only gets to see stuff that agrees with his
daft misconceptions, which is an example of incorrigible ignorance
incorrigible
in·cor·ri·gi·ble [ in káwrijəb'l ]
adjective
Definition:
1. impossible to change: impossible or very difficult to correct or
reform
incorrigible cynics
2. unruly and unmanageable: impossible or very difficult to control or
keep in order
noun (plural in·cor·ri·gi·bles)
Definition:
somebody or something incorrigible: somebody or something that is
impossible or very difficult to correct or reform
[14th century. Directly or via French< Latin incorrigibilis "not able
to be corrected" < corrigere (see correct)]
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
> "Rich Webb" <bbew...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in message
>
> news:c9iie4dosp855nors...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jef...@email.com> wrote:
>
> >>ValleyGirl wrote:
<snip>
> Of course you'd rather have hilter be president if he was a democrat rather
> than jesus if he was a republican.
Hitler as a Democrat? He had a thoroughly Republican way of getting
money out of rich industrialists (including Henry Ford) by promising
to be tough on communism and hard on the unions.
Jesus is on record as having driven the money-changers out of the
Temple in Jerusalem, which isn't an action that would have endeared
him to the local equivalent of the Republican Party.
Jon Slaughter is as reliably ill-informed as ever.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
mpm
wrote:
> � If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of intelligence,
> they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>
> �The two are mutually exclusive.
Intelligence is not measured in ounces.
mpm
> On 6 okt, 01:47, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
>
> Site.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:29:13 -0400, Rich Webb
>
> <snip>
>
> > | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
> > | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
> > | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
> > | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
> > | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
> > | E-mail Icon athttp://www.analog-innovations.com| 1962 |
>
> > Liberals are so ignorant...
> > They don't even know the definition of ignorant
>
> ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
> adj.
> 1. Lacking education or knowledge.
> 2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an
> ignorant mistake.
> 3. Unaware or uninformed.
>
>
> [Middle English ignoraunt, from Old French ignorant, from Latin
> ignrns, ignrant-, present participle of ignrre, to be ignorant, not to
> know; see gn- in Indo-European roots.]
>
> Jim Thompson regularly provides examples of ignorance, and his
> reaction to posts that correct his errors is to kill-file the source
> of the correction, so he only gets to see stuff that agrees with his
> daft misconceptions, which is an example of incorrigible ignorance
>
> incorrigible
>
> in·cor·ri·gi·ble [ in káwrijəb'l ]
>
> adjective
>
> Definition:
>
> 1. impossible to change: impossible or very difficult to correct or
> reform
> incorrigible cynics
>
> 2. unruly and unmanageable: impossible or very difficult to control or
> keep in order
>
> noun (plural in·cor·ri·gi·bles)
>
> Definition:
>
> somebody or something incorrigible: somebody or something that is
> impossible or very difficult to correct or reform
>
> [14th century. Directly or via French< Latin incorrigibilis "not able
> to be corrected" < corrigere (see correct)]
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
I wonder if Jim would have voted for Thomas Jefferson, given that DNA
recently proves he screwed around with (at least) one of his black
slaves...?
Oh wait, Jim's old enough. Maybe we can just go check the
records?? :)
-mpm
ValleyGirl
Keating went to prison. My brother's wife was directly involved in the
prosecution of the case.
Mr. Glenn and Mr. McCain were cleared of ANY impropriety, but were cited
for poor judgement.Note also that the band you pointed out were all
Democruds, except for JM. Which president's brother has a chalet in Vale?
Thesame person that was more involved than likely any of those you
pointed out.
Still, JM is NOT those persons.
None of those persons were lighting off bombs either. There is a HUGE
difference.
I would not want a President that had connections with low lifes that
might allow him to rid himself of an "annoyance" should he wish too.
Sorry, he (Obama) is way over-compromised in way too many places.
He should bust-a-cap in his own skull, and then he could have a surge
he could believe in.
Jim Yanik
BTW,there's indications that while Obama was running the Chicago Annenberg
Challenge,after being selected for the post by Ayers(over far more
qualified people),funneled grant money to Ayer's pet projects.(conflict of
interest..)
Rezko got Obama special "loans" that apparently were not repaid.
Then there's Michelle Obama's curious pay raise after some of Obama's
actions as State Senator...
It's simply amazing how much Obama corruption and background the MSM has
studiously AVOIDED looking into,but they ARE going after Palin with a
vengeance and a fine-tooth comb. outright criminal!
Jim Yanik
news:ufsie4hpm8hk6h6fh...@4ax.com:
Obama said in his book that that is the sort of people he looked to
associate with;"carefully selecting his friends".
Socialists(Communists,actually),radicals,Rezko,Ayers,etc.
UltimatePatriot
>Ahh, I see. So, Obama met this Ayers guy a few times and even served on
>a committee with him! Gosh darn, that's pretty bad.
The guy bombed federal buildings.
Can you even hear the crap you are spewing?
Yes, GOSH DARN IT, it is pretty fucking bad, you ignorant little
bastard.
Retards like you think nothing of NYPD taking a person's car for
finding a mere seed in the ash tray, but you are too goddamned blind and
stupid to see this as being a severe compromise? I don't even think the
bastard should be allowed on the ballot!
ValleyGirl
>On Oct 5, 3:01?pm, ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon>
>wrote:
>> ? If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of intelligence,
>> they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>>
>> ?The two are mutually exclusive.
>
>Intelligence is not measured in ounces.
Obviously, dumbass. The amount you possess would be immeasurably small.
Particularly since you do not understand the statement, despite its
simplicity.
Jon Slaughter
"Jim Yanik" <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9B2EE2FAEC4...@74.209.136.87...
Well, you reap what you soe... unfortunately everyone that knew better is
going to have to eat that shit too.
Jon Slaughter
No, he's not stupid... you have to have a brain to be stupid.
Rich Webb
<Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
>On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:29:13 -0400, Rich Webb
><bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
>
>>Ahh, I see. So, Obama met this Ayers guy a few times and even served on
>>a committee with him! Gosh darn, that's pretty bad.
>
>
> The guy bombed federal buildings.
>
> Can you even hear the crap you are spewing?
>
> Yes, GOSH DARN IT, it is pretty fucking bad, you ignorant little
>bastard.
Tsk tsk. Resorting to ad hominem attacks doesn't address the documented
treasonous behavior of the Palins. Nevertheless ...
> Retards like you think nothing of NYPD taking a person's car for
>finding a mere seed in the ash tray, but you are too goddamned blind and
>stupid to see this as being a severe compromise? I don't even think the
>bastard should be allowed on the ballot!
... if we need to examine the associates of the presidential candidates,
what about the convicted felon who acknowledged preparing to kill
someone during political burglaries "if necessary"; who plotted to
murder journalists; plotted with a "gangland figure" to murder a
co-conspirator to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotted
to firebomb Washington think tanks; and plotted to kidnap "guerillas"
from the other party at a national political convention? This is all
stuff that this person has admitted to.
Would it be a problem if this individual was an Obama supporter who had
donated thousands of dollars to his campaign? If Obama had appeared on
his radio program and called him an "old friend," praising his
"adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation
great"? Who had a fundraiser at his house for Obama?
Gosh, that sounds pretty bad, eh? Well, we're talking about John McCain
and the felon is Gordon Liddy so, of course, it doesn't count.
Intellectual honesty would seem to compel the same level of outrage
against each candidate for the past actions and activities of one of
their more infamous supporters. Absent that, all of the wailing and
rending of garments seems more than just a little disingenuous.
Hat tip to http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004?f=h_top for the
capsule summary of GGL's career.
bill....@ieee.org
> "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com> wrote innews:1scGk.2368$as4....@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Rich Webb" <bbew...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in message
I doubt if Sarah Palin is an outright criminal - at least not within
the US legal system where Republican law-makers have written in large
loop-holes to allow Republican-style political corruption to continue
unchecked - but she is a Republican and thus dedicated to running the
country for the benefit of people with plenty of money, which makes
her a much more promising target for investigation.
As for the "amazing amounts of Obama corruption" that Repulican
sources are now claiming to be unearthing, the only amazing thing
about it is that right-wingers like you think that it s worth
commenting on -Goebels may have invented "the big lie" but Karl Rove
is the master of the technique in the USA and since is now less than a
month until your country goes to the polls, this election's "Swift
Boat liars" have just hit the campaign trail. Karl Rove may have
retired, but his former subordinates seem to have learned enough from
the master.
The mainstream media has seen it all before, several times, and will
presumably nail down a few of the more blantant inventions, but right-
wing nitwits will continue to spread slanderous rumours that appeal to
their unsavoury prejudices no matter how implausible they seem to
people with knowledge of the real world.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Jim Yanik
>
> "UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
> news:idtie4526uqqhh63d...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:29:13 -0400, Rich Webb
>> <bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
>>
>>>Ahh, I see. So, Obama met this Ayers guy a few times and even served on
>>>a committee with him! Gosh darn, that's pretty bad.
Obama STARTED his political career at a party at Ayer's home,thrown by
Ayers.
He worked closely with Ayers while on the Annenberg Challenge.
(after being selected BY Ayers for the job)
It's far more than "just a guy who lives down the block"...
THEN,the big question is;
WHY does Obama want to hide his long association with this unabashed
terrorist?
It seems Obama wants to hide much of his past.
He will not release his college records,nor papers he wrote for thesis,it
seems his birth certificate is "missing"...
>>
>>
>> The guy bombed federal buildings.
>>
>> Can you even hear the crap you are spewing?
>>
>> Yes, GOSH DARN IT, it is pretty fucking bad, you ignorant little
>> bastard.
>>
>> Retards like you think nothing of NYPD taking a person's car for
>> finding a mere seed in the ash tray, but you are too goddamned blind and
>> stupid to see this as being a severe compromise? I don't even think the
>> bastard should be allowed on the ballot!
>
> No, he's not stupid... you have to have a brain to be stupid.
>
>
>
--
bill....@ieee.org
> ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon> wrote innews:ufsie4hpm8hk6h6fh...@4ax.com:
So Jim Yarnik thinks that socialist are actually communists. This
makes Britain a communist country, since the Labour party in power is
a socialist party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)
In fact the split between socialism and communism goes back to about
1870, but it happened in Europe, and no US right-winger is going to
bother learning anything about European history, preferring to get
their mis-information from the gibberings of right-wing think tanks.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
The statement is simple enough, if not exactly grammatical, and mpm
understands exactly what it means - which is that Valley Girl is an
inarticulate and cognitvely challenged nitwit.
Valley Girl clearly intended to send a different message but lacks the
skills required to create the desired impression on the reader.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> schreef in
bericht news:qbfie45t3h6gv8bet...@4ax.com...
>
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:13:15 -0500, "Jon Slaughter"
> <Jon_Sl...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Damon Hill" <damon...@comcast.not> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9B2E9A4F847B...@216.196.97.136...
>>> "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Sl...@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:ssaGk.1683$Ei5...@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:0obie4tps94d5pmit...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:46:52 -0400, "Tam" <t-ta...@comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>He was found guilty, but the conviction was overthrown because of an
>>>>>>improper wire tap. Bill Clinton pardoned him. I believe he is
>>>>>>currently
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>professor at UI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FOUND GUILTY OF BOMBING FEDERAL BUILDINGS!
>>>>>
>>>>> What the fuck is this guy a professor of?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Home Grown Terrorists 101
>>>>
>>>> How to Overthrow the Government
>>>>
>>>> How to Rig an Election
>>>>
>>>> How to Kill People and Destroy a Nation
>>>
>>> Sounds remarkably (ultra) right-wing.
>>>
>>
>>Really? I didn't know obama and ayers was right-wing.
Neither has been convicted of any terrorist act, not that this will slow
down this election's Swift Boat People.
>>How come radical liberals always blame the "right" for doing such things
>>but
>>they themselfs are the ones doing it? How many "right wing" people are
>>out
>>there blowing up buildings, planning to overthrow the government, having
>>violent protests(such as the ones during the RNC), etc etc etc!
>
> About the same percentage as terrorist Christians.
Timothy McVeigh was Catholic and right wing.
>>About the only thing I have seen right wing nuts do is attack abortion
>>clinics... but I guess that is enough justification for left wing groups.
Timothy McVeigh blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City which
wasn't any kind of abortion clinic.
> Yep. Wonder what percentage of Republicans do that? Probably
> immeasurably small.
Jim's grasp of reality is reliably fallible.
Randall Terry exists, so the percentage may be small, but it is certainly
finite and potentially measurable.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220001
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_31_42/ai_n26699722?tag=rel.res4
Of course, the US mainstream media doesn't want to upset the Republican
Party so they may refrain from mentioning that a convicted abortion clinic
attacker has Republican Party affiliations.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
JeffM
>I doubt if Sarah Palin is an outright criminal - at least not within
>the US legal system where Republican law-makers have written in large
>loop-holes to allow Republican-style political corruption to continue
>unchecked -
I have no such doubt.
Federal and state laws mandate that gov't business be done in the
open.
It is a clear violation to use a webmail account
to purposely evade the requirement to archive that correspondence.
http://www.google.com/search?q=gov.palin+yahoo
Kris Krieger
news:_5SdneWdd54kunTV...@comcast.com:
>
> "Rich Webb" <bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in message
> news:vd7ie45i92pm24mrc...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:01:05 -0700, ValleyGirl
>> <LuvYe...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of
>>> intelligence,
>>>they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>>>
>>> The two are mutually exclusive.
>>
>> So, who is this Ayers guy who spells Death Knell, anyway? I guess he
>> must at least be on the FBI's Most Wanted List, if he's so evil?
>> Probably on the run and hiding somewhere in, say, North Korea? I can't
>> imagine that he could be any less and still be a knell of some kind.
>>
>> --
>> Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
>
> He was found guilty, but the conviction was overthrown because of an
> improper wire tap. Bill Clinton pardoned him. I believe he is currently
> a professor at UI.
>
> Tam
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
Partial quote: "American elementary education theorist and former leading
1960s activist. He is known for the violent nature of his activism in the
1960s and 1970s as well as his current work in education reform,
curriculum, and instruction. In 1969 he cofounded the radical left
organization Weather Underground which was active during the 1960s and
1970s. He is now a professor in the College of Education at the University
of Illinois at Chicago, holding the honor of Distinguished Professor."
He was associated with setting some bombs, for which he remains
unrepentant; he was a fugitive until about 1980, when he turned himself in
to the authorities. He's not engaged in any criminal activity since then,
AFAIK.
Omaba has not been charged with engaging in any criminal activity; only
vague unsubstantiated accusations have been levied.
I've not personally read any of his writing about education. It might be
that he has some good ideas about it.
Three qustions are raised by Plain dubbing him a terrorist (i.e., rather
than "former criminal" - I'm looking into whether it's actualyl corect to
say "terrorist"): 1) if someone has good ideas about one thing, but is
wacko about abnother thing, are all the good ideas to eb summarily
rejected? 2) is someone a criminal *forever*, regardless of repentence, if
he has either served time, or been pardoned, no matter what else he does
with the rest of their life? 3) how far does "guilt by association" go?
Does it stop at acquaintances? Friends? Spouse? Family? Coworkers? The
guy who sells you coffe and a donut in the morning? At what point does
name-taking start? Stop?
The Ayers bit was also already dealt with, and not even Fox Cable News
could come up with much of anything.
Kris Krieger
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jef...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>ValleyGirl wrote:
>>>If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of intelligence,
>>>they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>>>
>>>The two are mutually exclusive.
>>
>>Guilt by association doesn't seem to work:
>>http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:iU8hn-r1BEsJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K
>>eating_Five+McCain
>
> Ahh, I see. So, Obama met this Ayers guy a few times and even served on
> a committee with him! Gosh darn, that's pretty bad.
>
> So if guilt by association is in play, is it important that the
> Republican VP candidate is married to a professed traitor? Wasn't the
> First Dude a genuine member of the Alaska Independence Party, a party
> with the stated position of secession from the USA? A party whose
> founder stated "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for
> America or her damned institutions" and who refused to be buried under
> the American flag (his remains are in Canada).
Oh, well, you see, that is OK because he's...er...becasue she
is...er...well...Republican, yeah,
>
> I guess if Obama can be pilloried for associating with somebody whose
> radical behavior occurred when Obama was, what, eight years old, then
> it's fair to ask why Palin supports the AKIP today. Last I heard,
> secessionists are indeed traitors. Why does Sarah Palin hate America?
> McCain, too, since he picked her. Why does John McCain hate America?
>
WHat nobody is addressing is that, if this is Palin's view, and she ever does
come to power, you'd beter take a close look into the hstory of your family,
friends, spouse, coworkers, and so on, and cull any who have ever done
anything shady, because once guilt-by-association gains a foothold, it knows
no end. (Salem Witch Trials, the NKVD, McCarthy...)
Kris Krieger
news:f5b52774-3181-42d3...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
What you said, Bill.
There is a difference between pointing out an inconsistency or error, and
being a zealot for one or anoter candidate.
Given Jon's statemnt, once could also easily argue that, by extension, he
himself would prefer Hitler if he was a Republican, to Jesus if He was a
Democrat. IOW, the sword of specious logic cuts both ways.
Kris Krieger
> "UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
> news:0obie4tps94d5pmit...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:46:52 -0400, "Tam" <t-ta...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>improper wire tap. Bill Clinton pardoned him. I believe he is currently a
>>>professor at UI.
>>>
>>>Tam
>>
>>
>>
>> What the fuck is this guy a professor of?
>>
>
Kris Krieger
558b62...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
No, those laws only apply to "demonicrats" =>:-p
((I guess Independents are on *everybody's* hitlist...))
Kris Krieger
7ca6d9...@v72g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
> On 6 okt, 04:21, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>> ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon> wrote
innews:ufsie4hpm8h
Even better, I wonder if these peopel who bitch endlessly about
"socialism" are, or will be, receiving - and not returning - any sort fo
Social Security or Disability payments or Veteran's benefit, or if they
always avoid using *any* road, building, bridge, etc., built/maintained via
tax revenues? Technically, *ANY* sort of tax is "socialist" and a form of
"income redistribution". But can you inagine all teh whining and crying
and spitting that'd occur of all funding for infrastructure, services,
etc., were to stop?
What it always boils down to is that the poeple who bitch about
"socialism" invariably ONLY mean *other people's* benefits.
Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
>
> How come radical liberals always blame the "right" for doing such things but
> their blowing up buildings, planning to overthrow the government, having
Well, the US military (under a neocon CIC), for starters.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
bill....@ieee.org
> bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote in news:648b0fe0-04d3-40d2-bf66-
> 7ca6d92be...@v72g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On 6 okt, 04:21, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
> >> ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon> wrote
> innews:ufsie4hpm8h
>
> >> > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jef...@email.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >>ValleyGirl wrote:
<snip>
> >> Obama said in his book that that is the sort of people he looked to
> >> associate with;"carefully selecting his friends".
> >> Socialists(Communists,actually),radicals,Rezko,Ayers,etc.
>
> > So Jim Yarnik thinks that socialist are actually communists. This
> > makes Britain a communist country, since the Labour party in power is
> > a socialist party
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)
>
> > In fact the split between socialism and communism goes back to about
> > 1870, but it happened in Europe, and no US right-winger is going to
> > bother learning anything about European history, preferring to get
> > their mis-information from the gibberings of right-wing think tanks.
>
> > --
> > Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
>
> Even better, I wonder if these peopel who bitch endlessly about
> "socialism" are, or will be, receiving - and not returning - any sort fo
> Social Security or Disability payments or Veteran's benefit, or if they
> always avoid using *any* road, building, bridge, etc., built/maintained via
> tax revenues? Technically, *ANY* sort of tax is "socialist" and a form of
> "income redistribution". But can you inagine all the whining and crying
> and spitting that'd occur of all funding for infrastructure, services,
> etc., were to stop?
Tax-supported infra-structure, like tax-supoorted defence forces, go
back long before socialism and I'm pretty sure that you can't claim
that "any" sort of tax is socialist.
Socialism isn't about the community as a whole paying for services
that the whole community relies on, which has been going on ever since
we invented money, it is about the rich menbers of the community being
obliged to contribute to the welfare of all the poorer members of the
community, rather than just the welfare of their relatives, friends
and dependents. Karl Marx wrote an influential book on the subject
"Das Kapital"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital
Jim Yanik and his ilk describe this as a form of theft, just as Marx
and the early socialist movement saw the exploitation of labour by
capital as a form of theft.
Neither point of view is constructive. Modern socialism sees itself as
mechanism to correct the structural contradictions inherent in the
relationship between capital and labour, and it provides capital with
a more flexible, healthier and better educated work force, which
offers a better retun on capital than capital earns in a beggar-my-
neighbour free market.
> What it always boils down to is that the poeple who bitch about
> "socialism" invariably ONLY mean *other people's* benefits.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
krw
LuvYe...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon says...
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jef...@email.com> wrote:
>
> >ValleyGirl wrote:
> >>If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of intelligence,
> >>they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
> >>
> >>The two are mutually exclusive.
> >
> >Guilt by association doesn't seem to work:
> >http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:iU8hn-r1BEsJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five+McCain
>
>
> Keating went to prison. My brother's wife was directly involved in the
> prosecution of the case.
>
> Mr. Glenn and Mr. McCain were cleared of ANY impropriety, but were cited
> for poor judgement.Note also that the band you pointed out were all
> Democruds, except for JM. Which president's brother has a chalet in Vale?
> Thesame person that was more involved than likely any of those you
> pointed out.
The special investigator (a DemonicRat, later Clinton's lawyer,
Uncle Bob Bennett) didn't want to go after JM because he was not
involved. He was forced to because they needed a Republican scape
goat. JM was handy.
<snip>
--
Keith
UltimatePatriot
>I doubt if Sarah Palin is an outright criminal - at least not within
>the US legal system where Republican law-makers have written in large
>loop-holes to allow Republican-style political corruption to continue
>unchecked
You are a Rosie O'Retard class idiot!
UltimatePatriot
You're an idiot, Sloman, but we all already knew that fact.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>
>Neither has been convicted of any terrorist act, not that this will slow
>down this election's Swift Boat People.
Yes, you abso-fucking-lutely retarded twit, Ayers WAS convicted of the
FELONY of terrorist bombing of buildings, you stupid fucktard!
That means that ALL of the jurors found him guilty, you stupid fuckhead.
He is a felony criminal and a traitor to his own country.
And you... are an absolute idiot.
UltimatePatriot
You're an idiot.
UltimatePatriot
> because once guilt-by-association gains a foothold, it knows
>no end. (Salem Witch Trials, the NKVD, McCarthy...)
You're a goddamned idiot, boy. It is YOU that is "shady".
UltimatePatriot
>
>Even better, I wonder if these peopel who bitch endlessly about
>"socialism" are, or will be, receiving - and not returning - any sort fo
>Social Security or Disability payments or Veteran's benefit,
You're an idiot. We continue to pay into it, yet are very likely not
going to see ANY of it.
I hate goddamned watch the news once, and think you know everything
fucking retards. You are one such retard, dipshit.
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
You do know a surprising number of "facts" that don't happen to
correspond to anything that exists in the real world. This may be
because you are stupid, which is the hypothesis that I favour, but
there are other condtions that cause people to be deluded, so I'm
keeping an open mind.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:34:30 +0200, "Bill Sloman" <bill.slo...@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Neither has been convicted of any terrorist act, not that this will slow
> >down this election's Swift Boat People.
>
> Yes, you abso-fucking-lutely retarded twit, Ayers WAS convicted of the
> FELONY of terrorist bombing of buildings, you stupid fucktard!
>
> That means that ALL of the jurors found him guilty, you stupid fuckhead.
You seem to have missed the point that the prosecution had mismanaged
the case, badly enough that the conviction was thrown out on appeal.
> He is a felony criminal and a traitor to his own country.
He might have been if the higher court hadn't thrown the case out. As
it is, your claim is false. You may be too stupid to appreciate this -
which seems likely - but if you weren't you would be a politically
motivated liar.
You might be a swiftboat person, but the Republican party machine
should be able to afford more plausible attack dogs to spread their
lying slanders.
> And you... are an absolute idiot.
And you've got that wrong too. Try to stick to plausible abuse - it
has a chance of working.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:07:19 -0700 (PDT), bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
> >I doubt if Sarah Palin is an outright criminal - at least not within
> >the US legal system where Republican law-makers have written in large
> >loop-holes to allow Republican-style political corruption to continue
> >unchecked
>
> You are a Rosie O'Retard class idiot!
Another closely reasoned contribution from UltimatePondScum.
His intellectual brilliance is truly blinding.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Tam
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:5749ba71-5aa3-4d6c...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 7 okt, 01:14, UltimatePatriot <UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org>
wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:34:30 +0200, "Bill Sloman" <bill.slo...@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Neither has been convicted of any terrorist act, not that this will slow
> >down this election's Swift Boat People.
>
> Yes, you abso-fucking-lutely retarded twit, Ayers WAS convicted of the
> FELONY of terrorist bombing of buildings, you stupid fucktard!
>
> That means that ALL of the jurors found him guilty, you stupid fuckhead.
You seem to have missed the point that the prosecution had mismanaged
the case, badly enough that the conviction was thrown out on appeal.
Bill,
I believe you live in the Netherlands. You might look into as to whether the
case would have been thrown out under Dutch law. I don't think it would have
been in the UK. The US has insane laws having to protect the rights of
criminals. An extreme case is where an innocent person spent 20 years in
jail, because a lawyer could not divulge the fact that one of his clients
was the real criminal. He divulged the information after his client died.
Tam
Jim Yanik
news:OO-dnTsdKaMDM3bV...@comcast.com:
>
><bill....@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:5749ba71-5aa3-4d6c...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> .. On 7 okt, 01:14, UltimatePatriot
> <UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:34:30 +0200, "Bill Sloman"
>> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> >Neither has been convicted of any terrorist act, not that this will
>> >slow down this election's Swift Boat People.
Hey,John Traitor Kerry STILL hasn't signed his Form 180 to release his
military records.
>>
>> Yes, you abso-fucking-lutely retarded twit, Ayers WAS convicted of
>> the FELONY of terrorist bombing of buildings, you stupid fucktard!
>>
>> That means that ALL of the jurors found him guilty, you stupid
>> fuckhead.
>
> You seem to have missed the point that the prosecution had mismanaged
> the case, badly enough that the conviction was thrown out on appeal.
And after that,Ayers ADMITTED his role in the bombings,that he was proud of
it,and stated that he wished he could have done MORE.
It's a matter of record now.
Ayers is still a committed terrorist.
UltimatePatriot
>You do know a surprising number of "facts" that don't happen to
>correspond to anything that exists in the real world.
You=Stupid
Sorry, SloTard, but THAT = FACT.
UltimatePatriot
>You seem to have missed the point that the prosecution had mismanaged
>the case, badly enough that the conviction was thrown out on appeal.
The conviction wasn't thrown out. He was pardoned.
Nothing was mismanaged except the judge that managed the pussy lawyer
that cried his way out of it.
Remember the early Seventies, idiot?
Back then, filmed events were NOT admissible in court, despite the FACT
that any modifications could be EASILY detected.
Now, we have digital video which can be transparently edited, and leave
no trace, and it IS admissible.
It has nothing to do with the prosecution, the little bastard is guilty
of the crime. A MAJOR CRIME. There is a huge difference between that,
where ALL jurors FOUND HIM GUILTY, and your behaving as if it never
happened. How can you be that pathetically stupid?
ItsASecretDummy
>And you've got that wrong too. Try to stick to plausible abuse - it
>has a chance of working.
Try learning how to correctly read Usenet posts, and learn to quote the
correct post, and attribute the correct texts to the correct authors, you
idiot.
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
And with that being known information, Barack Obama should not even be
allowed to be running for the level of affiliation he has, and has had
with him. He should not appear on ANY ballot either.
If the US military can turn away a recruit for admitting such
affiliations, then he certainly does NOT qualify to hold public office.
I want him impeached on election day if he gets in, and if he doesn't I
want to laugh at him on live TV, and call for his resignation from public
office of ANY kind. No pension for the terrorist sympathizing bastard
either! ALL campaign residuals are to be put into the NATIONAL POLITICAL
ASSHOLE KITTY to help repair the damage that money grubbing bastards like
him have done to this country. Harvard indeed! More and more, he sounds
like one of those that cheated their way through.
z
wrote:
> If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of intelligence,
> they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>
yeah, and if his being associated with somebody who performed criminal
acts 40 years ago isn't bad enough, now he's on stage debating some
guy who was involved with a big S&L swindle only 20 years ago.
ValleyGirl
wrote:
No, he wasn't, idiot.
Obama, however, got his start in politics from an admitted domestic
terrorist that even said he would "do it again..." given the chance. I
fObama was aware of his tainted past, I say that he should be removed
from the ballot, because THAT IS a disqualifying factor.
You need to learn how to get your bent, biased facts straight, little
boy.
bill....@ieee.org
<Zarathus...@thusspoke.org> wrote:
> On 7 Oct 2008 19:24:10 GMT, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>
> >news:OO-dnTsdKaMDM3bV...@comcast.com:
>
> >><bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote in message
> >>news:5749ba71-5aa3-4d6c...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> >> .. On 7 okt, 01:14, UltimatePatriot
> >> <UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:34:30 +0200, "Bill Sloman"
> >>> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
<snip>
> >Ayers is still a committed terrorist.
Only from your demented point of view. He blew up a statue and didn't
kill or injure anybody. That's street theatre, not terrorism.
> And with that being known information, Barack Obama should not even be
> allowed to be running for the level of affiliation he has, and has had
> with him. He should not appear on ANY ballot either.
And by the same logic, McCain should be barred for his association
with Gordon Liddy, who was convicted on criminal charges and served
four years in prison.
Or do you think that Nixon's treason was less culpable? One of the
reasons that Ayers saw the necessity to demonstrate as dramatically as
he did was that Nixon was breaking the law in his efforts to muzzle
effective protest.
> If the US military can turn away a recruit for admitting such
> affiliations, then he certainly does NOT qualify to hold public office.
In your paranoid dreams.
> I want him impeached on election day if he gets in, and if he doesn't I
> want to laugh at him on live TV, and call for his resignation from public
> office of ANY kind. No pension for the terrorist sympathizing bastard
> either! ALL campaign residuals are to be put into the NATIONAL POLITICAL
> ASSHOLE KITTY to help repair the damage that money grubbing bastards like
> him have done to this country. Harvard indeed! More and more, he sounds
> like one of those that cheated their way through.
You've got a problem here - anyone with the power to impeach an
elected official on those grounds would be much too busy prosecuting
Dubbya, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of that sorry crew for invading
Irak to enrich Halliburton, for authorising torture, and for lying to
the country about non-existent weapons of mass destruction and non-
existent links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
Even McCain's association with Gordon Liddy will put him higher up the
hit list than Obama - and the lawyers would be hard-pressed to find an
association with an acquitted "terroist" to be adequate grounds for
prosecution. The Republicans might dig up Kenneth W. Starr but he
didn't do too well with Clinton, and Obama did even better than
Clinton at law school.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
<secretasian...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:46:57 -0400, "Tam" <t-tamm...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >And you've got that wrong too. Try to stick to plausible abuse - it
> >has a chance of working.
>
> Try learning how to correctly read Usenet posts, and learn to quote the
> correct post, and attribute the correct texts to the correct authors, you
> idiot.
A lesson that you yourself seem to need to learn.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
> "Tam" <t-tamm...@comcast.net> wrote innews:OO-dnTsdKaMDM3bV...@comcast.com:
>
>
>
> >news:5749ba71-5aa3-4d6c...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> > .. On 7 okt, 01:14, UltimatePatriot
> > <UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:34:30 +0200, "Bill Sloman"
> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> >> >Neither has been convicted of any terrorist act, not that this will
> >> >slow down this election's Swift Boat People.
>
> Hey,John Traitor Kerry STILL hasn't signed his Form 180 to release his
> military records.
To allow the Swift Boat people to make their lies even more plausible?
I can understand his reluctance.
Even from the limited information available, it is clear that the
Swift Boat People were liars.
And your claim that Kerry was a traiter is libellous nonsense - worse,
it appears to based on the very dangerous proposition that patriotic
Americans should tolerate war crimes being committed by their
government, Soldiers only vow to obey lawful orders, and orders
commanding criminal activity or its concealment are obviously
unlawful.
> >> Yes, you abso-fucking-lutely retarded twit, Ayers WAS convicted of
> >> the FELONY of terrorist bombing of buildings, you stupid fucktard!
>
> >> That means that ALL of the jurors found him guilty, you stupid
> >> fuckhead.
>
> > You seem to have missed the point that the prosecution had mismanaged
> > the case, badly enough that the conviction was thrown out on appeal.
>
> And after that,Ayers ADMITTED his role in the bombings,that he was proud of
> it,and stated that he wished he could have done MORE.
> It's a matter of record now.
My impression was that he was proud of having blown up a provocative
statue; he didn't kill or injure anybody. This is street theatre, not
terrorism. Some of his colleagues were less sensible, and paid the
price of their folly, but Ayers had more sense and still looks
sensible today
> Ayers is still a committed terrorist.
Only from your warped point of view. Ayers used extraordinary means to
dramatise his protest, but he didn't kill or injure anybody in the
process, so it is difficult to claim that he terrorised anybody who
wasn't already pathologically anxious.
You do seem to have pathological anxieities about socialism - which so
frightens you that you can't distinguish it from communism (whereas
communists knew very well that socialists were its enemy, and
persecuted them when they could and undermined them when they didn't
have the power to persecute them).
If dramatic demonstrations excite similar anxieties, they may well
terrorise you, but protecting nervous panty-waists from everything
that terrifies them is an impossible task - even after you have got
rid of demonstrators carrying threatening placards you still have to
deal with snakes and spiders - and the legal system has no business
trying.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 04:54:13 -0700 (PDT), bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
> >You do know a surprising number of "facts" that don't happen to
> >correspond to anything that exists in the real world.
>
> You=Stupid
>
> Sorry, SloTard, but THAT = FACT.
You imagine that adding equations signs and using the upper case key
strengthens your argument?
Have you graduated from primary school yet?
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
UltimatePatriot
>
>> >Ayers is still a committed terrorist.
>
>Only from your demented point of view. He blew up a statue and didn't
>kill or injure anybody. That's street theatre, not terrorism.
Learn how to quote properly, you fucking retard!
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:51:58 -0700 (PDT), z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 5, 3:01 pm, ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon>
> >wrote:
> >> If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of intelligence,
> >> they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>
> >> The two are mutually exclusive.
>
> >yeah, and if his being associated with somebody who performed criminal
> >acts 40 years ago isn't bad enough, now he's on stage debating some
> >guy who was involved with a big S&L swindle only 20 years ago.
>
> No, he wasn't, idiot.
Actually he was - not deeply or criminally involved - but he was
sufficiently close to people who were to get his fingers ticked for
poor judgement.
> Obama, however, got his start in politics from an admitted domestic
> terrorist that even said he would "do it again..." given the chance.
There's a gap between terrorism and violent street theatre - some of
Ayers' associates in the Weathermen may have killed themselves when
fooling around with explosives, but his close colleagues made sure
that they never killed an innocent bystander. Terrorists have other
priorities.
> If Obama was aware of his tainted past, I say that he should be removed
> from the ballot, because THAT IS a disqualifying factor.
In your dreams.
> You need to learn how to get your bent, biased facts straight, little
> boy.
A lesson you yourself need to learn. Bill Ayers was not, in the end,
legally convicted of any terrorist crime and your claim that he was a
terrorist is a bent, biased observation based on an idiosyncratic view
of the world.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Richard Swaby
>On 6 okt, 04:21, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>> ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon> wrote innews:ufsie4hpm8hk6h6fh...@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jef...@email.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>ValleyGirl wrote:
>> >>>If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of
>> >>>intelligence, they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>>
>> >>>The two are mutually exclusive.
>>
>> >>Guilt by association doesn't seem to work:
>> >>http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:iU8hn-r1BEsJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki
>> >>/Keating_Five+McCain
>>
>> > Keating went to prison. My brother's wife was directly involved in
>> > the
>> > prosecution of the case.
>>
>> > Mr. Glenn and Mr. McCain were cleared of ANY impropriety, but were
>> > cited
>> > for poor judgement.Note also that the band you pointed out were all
>> > Democruds, except for JM. Which president's brother has a chalet in
>> > Vale? Thesame person that was more involved than likely any of those
>> > you pointed out.
>>
>> > Still, JM is NOT those persons.
>>
>> > None of those persons were lighting off bombs either. There is a
>> > HUGE
>> > difference.
>>
>> > I would not want a President that had connections with low lifes
>> > that
>> > might allow him to rid himself of an "annoyance" should he wish too.
>>
>> > Sorry, he (Obama) is way over-compromised in way too many places.
>>
>> > He should bust-a-cap in his own skull, and then he could have a
>> > surge
>> > he could believe in.
>>
>> Obama said in his book that that is the sort of people he looked to
>> associate with;"carefully selecting his friends".
>> Socialists(Communists,actually),radicals,Rezko,Ayers,etc.
>
>So Jim Yarnik thinks that socialist are actually communists. This
>makes Britain a communist country, since the Labour party in power is
>a socialist party
Sorry to correct you Bill, but the Labour Party stopped being a
anything like a socialist party when it morphed into "New Labour"
about 15 years ago.
Since then you haven't been able to get a fag paper between them and
the nasty Thatcherite Tories.
Richard
z
wrote:
> >yeah, and if his being associated with somebody who performed criminal
> >acts 40 years ago isn't bad enough, now he's on stage debating some
> >guy who was involved with a big S&L swindle only 20 years ago.
>
> No, he wasn't, idiot.
"McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five
By Tom Fitzpatrick
Pheonix New Times
Published on November 29, 1989"
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1
Jim Yanik
news:iripe45q3vvdkt04n...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 06:20:22 -0700 (PDT), bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>
>>On 6 okt, 04:21, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>>> ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon> wrote
>>> innews:ufsie4hpm8hk6h6fh...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jef...@email.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >>ValleyGirl wrote:
>>> >>>If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of
>>> >>>intelligence, they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>>>
>>> >>>The two are mutually exclusive.
>>>
>>> >>Guilt by association doesn't seem to work:
>>> >>http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:iU8hn-r1BEsJ:en.wikipedia.org/
>>> >>wiki /Keating_Five+McCain
socialist,Communist;it's just a matter of degree.
IMO,they're one and the same.
Whatever,Obama has many close associations and relatinnships with people
who hate the United States of America.
That shows a very poor judgement,and/or his own dislike of the USofA.(like
his wife Michelle voiced awhile back)
Jim Yanik
news:0cvoe4l1d4oc1s0fr...@4ax.com:
Obama has been in close association with Ayres long enough to know of his
radical past and radical views.(just like with Rev.Wright,Rezko,et al)
He even wrote in one of his books that he looks to associate with such
people.
>
> You need to learn how to get your bent, biased facts straight,
> little
> boy.
>
Obama seems to be hiding a lot about his past.
Jim Thompson
On 8 Oct 2008 16:07:53 GMT, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
>ValleyGirl <LuvYe...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon> wrote in
>news:0cvoe4l1d4oc1s0fr...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:51:58 -0700 (PDT), z <gzuc...@snail-mail.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 5, 3:010m, ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon>
>>>wrote:
>>>> If anyone that would claim to have even a single ounce of
>>>> intelligence, they also would not be able to vote for this jerk.
>>>>
>>>> he two are mutually exclusive.
>>>
>>>yeah, and if his being associated with somebody who performed criminal
>>>acts 40 years ago isn't bad enough, now he's on stage debating some
>>>guy who was involved with a big S&L swindle only 20 years ago.
>>
>>
>> No, he wasn't, idiot.
>>
>> Obama, however, got his start in politics from an admitted domestic
>> terrorist that even said he would "do it again..." given the chance. I
>> fObama was aware of his tainted past, I say that he should be removed
>> from the ballot, because THAT IS a disqualifying factor.
>
>Obama has been in close association with Ayres long enough to know of his
>radical past and radical views.(just like with Rev.Wright,Rezko,et al)
>He even wrote in one of his books that he looks to associate with such
>people.
>>
>> You need to learn how to get your bent, biased facts straight,
>> little
>> boy.
>>
>
>Obama seems to be hiding a lot about his past.
And he'll win :-(
...Jim Thompson
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UltimatePatriot
>My impression was that he was proud of having blown up a provocative
>statue; he didn't kill or injure anybody.
You're a goddamned idiot, Sloman. Your "impression" doesn't mean a
goddamned thing, boy. He BOMBED FEDERAL BUILDINGS, not fucking statues,
you retarded twit!
> This is street theatre, not
>terrorism.
Wrong. It is an asswipe using illicitly acquired ordnances to perform
equally illicit "acts of protest". That doesn't make it any less
criminal, or dangerous, you fucking dope!
> Some of his colleagues were less sensible, and paid the
>price of their folly,
Bullshit. He STARTED the fucking group, and it was HE that acquired
the explosives, so HE WAS DIRECTLY FUCKING INVOLVED, you retarded piece
of shit!
> but Ayers had more sense and still looks
>sensible today
No, idiot. He is a senseless TERRORIST. What part of that do you not
understand, you stupid fuck?
UltimatePatriot
>
>In your dreams.
You really do not know much, if anything, about the NSA, do you,
SloTard?
Were I to tell my recruiter that I had felony associations (not that I
had any) at the time I entered the service, I would have been denied
entry. Public office is supposed to be even more scrutinous.
Get a clue, you retarded bastard.
ValleyGirl
wrote:
>On Oct 8, 5:33 am, ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon>
Actually, the Bush family was likely as deep into it as it gets,and
they all got away clean, with a congressional pat on the back, in fact.
UltimatePatriot
I think it would be VERY INTERESTING to find out just how much Obama did
when he was in Chi-town, to reduce the gang problem.
My guess is NOT A DAMNED THING.
In fact, by attending the charade that was Rev. Wright's "church", and
condoning his precepts, it actually encouraged such activity.
I find it really sad that he was even allowed to hold public office at
all, much less at the national level.
IF he gets elected, I for one, will call for his immediate ouster!
UltimatePatriot
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>And he'll win :-(
>
> ...Jim Thompson
If so, we need to stand up IMMEDIATELY for his ouster.
There are SEVERAL disqualifying factors on his getting a fucking
security clearance alone!
How the fuck did that one get slipped past the NSA!?
Oh, but let's keep those border guards in prison.
WTF happened to MY COUNTRY!?
bill....@ieee.org
> Richard Swaby <resw...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote innews:iripe45q3vvdkt04n...@4ax.com:
From the outer fringes of the lunatic right, they may look similar,
but you should try and get it into your head that socialist believe in
universal sufferage and work within the rules of parlimentary
democracy, where communists believe in "the leading role of the party"
and don't give people outside the party any voice in government.
This is a significant difference between the two systems, and if you
can't see it, your opinion isn't worth worring about.
> Whatever,Obama has many close associations and relatinnships with people
> who hate the United States of America.
> That shows a very poor judgement,and/or his own dislike of the USofA.(like
> his wife Michelle voiced awhile back)
Bill Ayers "hates the United States of America"? If he hated the
country or been indifferent to it, he would have headed off to Canada
(as many did). In fact he loved it enough to take considerable risks
in a fairly quixotic campaign to bring it to its senses, exposing
himself to Nixon's dirty tricks campaign in the process.
American right-wingers have a distinctly repulsive tendency to believe
that their vision of the way America ought to work is the only valid
vision, and go on to claim that other Americans having a different
point of view are trying to destroy the country - rather than perfect
it - and are motivated by hatred of the country, rather than some kind
of reforming zeal.
This is a remarkably stupid point of view, but right-wingers aren't
strong on rational analysis.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
Even New Labour is socialist enough to frighten Jim Yanik into a
tizzy.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:03:51 -0700 (PDT), bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
>
> >In your dreams.
<snipped foolish abuse>
> Were I to tell my recruiter that I had felony associations (not that I
> had any) at the time I entered the service, I would have been denied
> entry. Public office is supposed to be even more scrutinous.
Do try to get it into you little pointed head that Bill Ayers is not a
felon; you may think you know better than your legal system, but their
opinion is the one that counts,
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
z
wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:35:27 -0700 (PDT), z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 8, 5:33 am, ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon>
> >wrote:
>
> >> >yeah, and if his being associated with somebody who performed criminal
> >> >acts 40 years ago isn't bad enough, now he's on stage debating some
> >> >guy who was involved with a big S&L swindle only 20 years ago.
>
> >> No, he wasn't, idiot.
>
> >"McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five
> >By Tom Fitzpatrick
> >Pheonix New Times
> >Published on November 29, 1989"
>
> Actually, the Bush family was likely as deep into it as it gets,and
> they all got away clean, with a congressional pat on the back, in fact.
Not only was Neil Bush big in the S&L mess, but who does Lehman Bros
appoint as adviser a year ago?
August 27, 2007, 5:14 pm
Jeb Bush: Lehman’s Secret Weapon
Posted by Dana Cimilluca
In the arms race by private-equity firms to line up ever-higher
profile “advisers,” Lehman Brothers may have just taken the lead.
Jeb Bush According to a small handful of reports Friday, including
this one in Investment Dealers’ Digest and another in Private Equity
Hub, the investment bank has hired former Florida Governor and
presidential son and brother Jeb Bush for its in-house investing arm.
No sign of an announcement from Lehman on the hire.
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2007/08/27/jeb-bush-lehmans-secret-weapon/
Lehman hires Jeb Bush as private equity advisor
Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:36pm EDT
NEW YORK, Aug 30 (Reuters) - Lehman Brothers has hired Jeb Bush,
brother of the President of the United States, as an advisor to its
private equity business, a source familiar with the situation said.
Lehman hired another relative of U.S. President George W. Bush last
year--George Walker, a second cousin, who heads up the bank's asset
management business.
http://www.reuters.com/article/fundsFundsNews/idUSN3046902620070830
z
> ValleyGirl <LuvYerNa...@LikeIWouldGiveIt.Comeon> wrote innews:0cvoe4l1d4oc1s0fr...@4ax.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:51:58 -0700 (PDT), z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net>
>
> - Show quoted text -
yeah, like everybody knows all about Palin's past a whole 6 weeks
later.
just because the family belonged to a group that advocated secession
from the US, that's no big deal, eh.
Jasen Betts
> How to Overthrow the Government
Afghanistan
> How to Rig an Election
Florida
> How to Kill People and Destroy a Nation
Iraq
> I think Obama sat in a few of his classes and had private lessons from the
> prof!
?
Bye.
Jasen
UltimatePatriot
Unlike OJ Simpson, who was acquitted by a jury, this guy was convicted
by one.
Do you have enough brain capacity to grasp the difference?
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>On Oct 8, 12:07 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
Alaska is far enough removed from the continental US, and is big
enough...
for anyone living there to want it to be its own country.
Remember the town in the Florida Keys that *did* succeed? (hehehe)
Jim Yanik
news:gckm5d$kjn$4...@reversiblemaps.ath.cx:
> On 2008-10-05, Jon Slaughter <Jon_Sl...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How to Overthrow the Government
>
> Afghanistan
sheltered terrorists that struck the US on 9-11. That's an Act of War.
(we did give them a chance to deal with the terrorists themselves
first...they didn't.)
We also overthrew the German and Japanese governments back in the late
1940's.(it was called WW2)
>
>> How to Rig an Election
>
> Florida
already shown to be FALSE.(and OLD news..)
Even the Mainstream Media now admits they were wrong on that.
you leftist/libs need to get over that.
>
>> How to Kill People and Destroy a Nation
>
> Iraq
Saddam was killing more of his own people than we have;and Al-Qaida are the
ones killing most of the Iraqis.
(BTW,most of the terrorists are FOREIGNERS,-not- Iraqis.)
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
Unfortunately for you, the jury doesn't have the last word. Your legal
system decided that the information that the jury had been given by
the prosecution hadn't been up to scratch, so the conviction was set
aside.
This means that while Bill Ayers might have been a felon for a brief
interval, he ceased to be a felon once the conviction had been set
aside. Obviously, your legal system can make mistakes - as is
implicitly acknowledged by the higher court when they reversed the
verdict of the lower court - but once they have declared that somebody
isn't a felon, you don't have the right to claim that he is.
Because you are an ignorant jerk, you persist in claiming otherwise.
This doesn't make Bill Ayers a felon - it just demonstrates that you
don't what you are talking about. Again.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
UltimatePatriot
>This means that while Bill Ayers might have been a felon for a brief
>interval, he ceased to be a felon once the conviction had been set
>aside.
Actually he said he was glad he set off the bombs, and that he didn't
think it was enough, and that he would do it again. He has also said
that he is a communist. Are you a communist, Billy?
SoothSayer
>Because you are an ignorant jerk, you persist in claiming otherwise.
>This doesn't make Bill Ayers a felon - it just demonstrates that you
>don't what you are talking about. Again.
You obviously haven't been watching the recent news articles regarding
just what he is.
The word "human" never appears on the list.
bill....@ieee.org
wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:11:42 -0700 (PDT), bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
> >This means that while Bill Ayers might have been a felon for a brief
> >interval, he ceased to be a felon once the conviction had been set
> >aside.
>
> Actually he said he was glad he set off the bombs, and that he didn't
> think it was enough, and that he would do it again. He has also said
> that he is a communist. Are you a communist, Billy?
Strange as it may seem to you, the bombs he set off weren't terror
weapons but devices to capture peoples attention.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-sedaei/calling-bill-ayers-a-terr_b_133281.html
If Bill Ayers said he was communist, I imagine that he did so to
capture people's attention in a similar sort of way. The communists do
claim to have a socialist agenda - from each according to their
abilities, to each according to their needs - which is entirely
unexceptionable. Their political organisation sucks, which is why the
movement died, but for an activist in the U.S.A. where the Communist
Party was never going to be a position to play a leading role, this
would have been pretty much irrelevant.
I'm not a communist, and have never thought it to be a practical form
of political organisation - I'd read Geroge Orwell's "Animal Farm"
when I was very young, long before I was intellectually equipped to
understand everything Orwell was saying, which means that my opinion
of Orwell has being improving ever since.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
bill....@ieee.org
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:11:42 -0700 (PDT), bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
> >Because you are an ignorant jerk, you persist in claiming otherwise.
> >This doesn't make Bill Ayers a felon - it just demonstrates that you
> >don't what you are talking about. Again.
>
> You obviously haven't been watching the recent news articles regarding
> just what he is.
>
> The word "human" never appears on the list.
In other words, he was invented by McCain's Swift Boat People because
Barak Obama really is squeaky clean?
Seems unlikely. A google of the 49,400 item Google finds including the
string "Bill Ayers" threw up this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-sedaei/calling-bill-ayers-a-terr_b_133281.html
Adding "human"to the search string reduces the list to 12,600.
Here's one of them
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2099055/posts?page=5
It sounds quite human to me.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Kris Krieger
72239a...@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com:
[snip]
>
> From the outer fringes of the lunatic right, they may look similar,
> but you should try and get it into your head that socialist believe in
> universal sufferage and work within the rules of parlimentary
> democracy, where communists believe in "the leading role of the party"
> and don't give people outside the party any voice in government.
>
> This is a significant difference between the two systems, and if you
> can't see it, your opinion isn't worth worring about.
Also, socialism does nto outlaw all private ownership, whereas Communism
allows little or no private property aisde from specifically-personal items
(clothes, chachkis, etc.).
"Communism" is just being brough up to revive the corpse of knee-jerk
McCarthyism.
>
>> Whatever,Obama has many close associations and relatinnships with people
>> who hate the United States of America.
>> That shows a very poor judgement,and/or his own dislike of the USofA.
(lik
> e
>> his wife Michelle voiced awhile back)
>
> Bill Ayers "hates the United States of America"? If he hated the
> country or been indifferent to it, he would have headed off to Canada
> (as many did). In fact he loved it enough to take considerable risks
> in a fairly quixotic campaign to bring it to its senses, exposing
> himself to Nixon's dirty tricks campaign in the process.
Unlike the Alasks Independence Group, whose spokesperson (Vogel) says on
hos website that they "have no use for America and its institutions". IIRC
the "first dood" s a member, and Palin sent a very nice warmfuzzy-
touchyfeelie taped speech to their convention last year (it's on YuoTUbe
for any who care enough to listen).
>
> American right-wingers have a distinctly repulsive tendency to believe
> that their vision of the way America ought to work is the only valid
> vision,
Backed up by huge, and increasing, stockpiles of guns, ammo, and yes,
explosives.
> and go on to claim that other Americans having a different
> point of view are trying to destroy the country - rather than perfect
> it - and are motivated by hatred of the country, rather than some kind
> of reforming zeal.
Don't forget that the ultra-right-wingers also have a very specific and
narrow definition of who is and is not a "real American". They don't even
care if you lost half your body as a Soldier in Battle doign military
service - all they care about is that you're "the same as they are".
>
> This is a remarkably stupid point of view, but right-wingers aren't
> strong on rational analysis.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
>
You're just being "un-American" =:-p
Kris Krieger
8c588e...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
I guess things have changed a bit in the past decade or so. Associate\ions
can make thigns mroe difficult but circumstances are individual.
And no, public office does not require closer scrutiny. Investigative levels
are different for different clearance levels. Technically, if you have a
codeword clearance, and the President does not, it's treason to pass along
that info unless the Pres receives that clearance. And there are things that
the Pres *shouldn't* know for the sake of plausible deniability. So again,
no, public office deos not equire at all the same scrutiny as does
application to an intelligence agency.
Kris Krieger
@v56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
More to the point, saying/writing so is slander/libel. So McCain's ads
that say "Obama is a terrorist" are slander and the peopel putting it out
there can be prosecuted for it.
Same for Palin's saying "he pals aroudn with terrorists". Given that tehre
are no facts to support this claim, it's libel, and can be prosecuted.
Of course, the right wing fanatics have no use for teh law or the
Constitution when it's inconvenient for them, and woill call facts "commie
bullshit" or something similarly fatuous.
>
> Because you are an ignorant jerk, you persist in claiming otherwise.
> This doesn't make Bill Ayers a felon - it just demonstrates that you
> don't what you are talking about. Again.
>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
>
Ah, but if they keep saying it over and over and over, doesn't that "make
it true"? =:-p
Kris Krieger
news:083aba6f-fa2e-4964...@q9g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
It's a fine point but obviusly had soem legal merit (since he is not, nor
has been, jailed for "terrorist acts").
Whcih begs the question: if he is proveably a "terrorist", why didn't Bush
& Rummy & Cheny (& McCain) throw his ass into jail back in 2001?
Answer is that it's not the fact. I personally think his actions, and
attitude towards them, sucks, and there should be restitution for any
property damage, and punishment for personal injury, that might have
occurred (I don't knwo whetehr any did or did not), but he is not a
"felon". And saying he is is, again, slander/libel (depending on whether
it's spoken or written).
OTOH, I can say that **it is my opinion** that he is a jackass, or should
have been prosecuted, and that would not be illegal. But to simply call
him a felon or terrorist is a breach of law.
I've been wondering wehther any suits will brought against mcCain and/or
Plain after the election.
Jim Thompson
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:59:37 -0500, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in>
wrote:
[snip]
>
>More to the point, saying/writing so is slander/libel. So McCain's ads
>that say "Obama is a terrorist" are slander and the peopel putting it out
>there can be prosecuted for it.
>
>Same for Palin's saying "he pals aroudn with terrorists". Given that tehre
>are no facts to support this claim, it's libel, and can be prosecuted.
>
>Of course, the right wing fanatics have no use for teh law or the
>Constitution when it's inconvenient for them, and woill call facts "commie
>bullshit" or something similarly fatuous.
>
[snip]
You need to read up on how slander/libel laws (don't) apply to "public
figures".
It would also be helpful if you ran your postings through a
spell-checker, to get rid of your constant ham-handed letter
transpositions ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Change? Change? Change? Can you spare a quarter?
Jim Yanik
news:2sove4hm8aref8jjm...@4ax.com:
>
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:59:37 -0500, Kris Krieger <m...@dowmuff.in>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>>More to the point, saying/writing so is slander/libel. So McCain's
>>ads that say "Obama is a terrorist" are slander and the peopel putting
>>it out there can be prosecuted for it.
>>
>>Same for Palin's saying "he pals aroudn with terrorists". Given that
>>tehre are no facts to support this claim,
Untrue;there's an article on NewsMax right now outlining Obama's dubious
relationships with terrorists.
>>it's libel, and can be
>>prosecuted.
>>
>>Of course, the right wing fanatics have no use for teh law or the
>>Constitution when it's inconvenient for them, and woill call facts
>>"commie bullshit" or something similarly fatuous.
>>
> [snip]
>
> You need to read up on how slander/libel laws (don't) apply to "public
> figures".
>
> It would also be helpful if you ran your postings through a
> spell-checker, to get rid of your constant ham-handed letter
> transpositions ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
I doubt they can provide any cites where ads expressly call -Obama- a
"terrorist".
Ads DO show links to known terrorists,and people who clearly hate the
USofA.
Every Communist leader and Islamic terrorist supports Obama.
All the enemies of the US support Obama.
THEY know he'll be a pushover.
UltimatePatriot
>In other words, he was invented by McCain's Swift Boat People because
>Barak Obama really is squeaky clean?
This guy wasn't "invented", you idiot. He has been around for decades.
Obama and he absconded with hundreds of thousands of dollars in their
first years.
You need to bone up, Chuck.
UltimatePatriot
>
>"Communism" is just being brough up to revive the corpse of knee-jerk
>McCarthyism.
You do realize that such affiliations are disqualifying factors for the
presidency, right?
UltimatePatriot
>bill....@ieee.org wrote in news:9f2da543-f835-46fd-8249-
>8c588e...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On 8 okt, 21:57, UltimatePatriot <UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org>
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:03:51 -0700 (PDT), bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
>>>
>>> >In your dreams.
>>>
>>> You really do not know much, if anything, about the NSA, do you,
>>> SloTard?
>>>
>>> Were I to tell my recruiter that I had felony associations (not that
>> I
>>> had any) at the time I entered the service, I would have been denied
>>> entry. Public office is supposed to be even more scrutinous.
>>>
>>> Get a clue, you retarded bastard.
>
>I guess things have changed a bit in the past decade or so. Associate\ions
>can make thigns mroe difficult but circumstances are individual.
Baloney. You do not know much about government service, whether
,military, or political or corporate even. Do you even know what an oath
is?
>And no, public office does not require closer scrutiny.
Not true.
> Investigative levels
>are different for different clearance levels.
Wrong. The FBI investigates each file the same way. That's how they
can find out if you kicked the Coke machine when you were 7.
> Technically, if you have a
>codeword clearance, and the President does not,
You ain't real bright.
> it's treason to pass along
>that info unless the Pres receives that clearance. And there are things that
>the Pres *shouldn't* know for the sake of plausible deniability.
Bwuahahaha!
> So again,
>no, public office deos not equire at all the same scrutiny as does
>application to an intelligence agency.
>
You need to bone up on the facts.
The CIC has the absolute top clearance.