A small rant about the 555 :-)
pimpom
coming up with a deceptively simple device that is still seeing
so much use after nearly four decades. They also deserve to be
tarred and feathered for the pin-out configuration. :-)
I don't know about you others, but I shudder every time I want to
draw a schematic with the pins of the 555 in their relative
positions as well as when I need to design a pcb for it.
And with that, I'm going to bed. It's almost 3:30 am here. Good
night.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
It was pinned out to accommodate how the transistors fit together
compactly during layout... back when silicon was expensive. Now
silicon is dirt cheap... and packaging is expensive.
...Jim Thompson
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krw
wrote:
>The people who designed the 555 timer should be given medals for
>coming up with a deceptively simple device that is still seeing
>so much use after nearly four decades.
Tell that to Slowman.
>They also deserve to be
>tarred and feathered for the pin-out configuration. :-)
Pinouts never bothered me. That's the layout guy's problem. ;-)
After a few BGAs they don't sweat the small stuff either.
>I don't know about you others, but I shudder every time I want to
>draw a schematic with the pins of the 555 in their relative
>positions as well as when I need to design a pcb for it.
You obviously know nothing about electronics. Just ask Slowman. ;-)
>And with that, I'm going to bed. It's almost 3:30 am here. Good
>night.
Funny. I'm not tired at all.
D from BC
wrote:
>The people who designed the 555 timer should be given medals for
There are other timers.
For ex., MIC1557.
John Larkin
wrote:
>The people who designed the 555 timer should be given medals for
I never draw schematics with the pins arranged in physical order. We
create schematic symbols that look logical and that have pins where
they make sense.
But I haven't used a 555 in decades. It's a pretty crude beast.
'Night.
John
Bill Sloman
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:28:19 +0530, "pimpom" <pim...@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
> >The people who designed the 555 timer should be given medals for
> >coming up with a deceptively simple device that is still seeing
> >so much use after nearly four decades.
>
> Tell that to Slowman.
John Fields would be more interested. It has never turned out to be
useful for the work I've done.
> >They also deserve to be
> >tarred and feathered for the pin-out configuration. :-)
>
> Pinouts never bothered me. That's the layout guy's problem. ;-)
> After a few BGAs they don't sweat the small stuff either.
I hate engineers who don't think about the layout they are effectively
asking for. Any circuit where stray capacitance or inductance can be a
problem should be designed with the layout in mind.
> >I don't know about you others, but I shudder every time I want to
> >draw a schematic with the pins of the 555 in their relative
> >positions as well as when I need to design a pcb for it.
>
> You obviously know nothing about electronics. Just ask Slowman. ;-)
He seems to know more about electronics than krw does, but that isn't
unexpected.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Joel Koltner
news:ee4c6a46-2000-4025...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 22, 11:11 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>I hate engineers who don't think about the layout they are effectively
> asking for. Any circuit where stray capacitance or inductance can be a
> problem should be designed with the layout in mind.
I'm thinking Camenzind wasn't expecting anyone to use the 555 much above a MHz
or so when he designed the thing. At those frequencies, the IC's
layout/pinout just isn't going to matter.
Didn't Hans used to occasionally post here?
---Joel
krw
I don't have any problems finding a job. What are you doing, Slowman?
Still whining about your station in life, I see.
ChrisQ
>
> I don't have any problems finding a job. What are you doing, Slowman?
> Still whining about your station in life, I see.
I probably shouldn't be saying this, but if some individuals spent a
little less time feeling embittered and sorry for themselves and instead
tried to get on with people, they would find many willing to help out
and give them work.
If you don't respect yourself and hold the line re your own worst
sentiments, how can you expect others to ?...
Regards,
Chris
ChrisQ
I used them years ago for microprocessor reset duty. Dirt cheap, minimum
associated parts count and sure fire operation every time. Most designs
here need a hardware watchdog now and the processors are 3,3v, so 555 is
essentially obsolete.
I was thinking the other day about how some analog devices, like 741,
lm311 and others like lm348 seem to have a charmed life. Designed 30 odd
years ago and still going strong. I guess it's an indication of how
right they were from the start...
Regards,
Chris
Bill Sloman
I can't say that I've got anything to whine about. I'd prefer to have
a job, but I can get by without one.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
It is a pity krw won't pay any attention to your well-intentioned
preaching.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
The LM311 was always a good device - to quote Winfield Hill
" One of Robert Widlar's fine designs. Rather expensive
when it first came out, but now pretty cheap. NSC has
a 1970 appnote he wrote on the part, AN-41.
One caution, although it can run on 5V, and has PNP input
transistors, like the LM339, LM2901, LM3302, LM393, LM2903,
etc., it can't work all the way down to zero volts. But,
unlike those parts, it can deal with a +/-5 to 15V split
supply with a grounded output load switch. It can also
do high-side load switching. Pretty impressive for 1969."
It is difficult to provoke it into oscillation, though I have seen it
done.
The uA741 and uA748 aren't in the same class. The lateral PNP in the
output stage has a very low current gain and is as slow as a wet week.
If you draw an appreciable current through it while the output is
close to the negative rail, the op amp can oscillate.
Bob Widlar solved the problem rather more cleverly in the LM301/307 by
using a lateral PNP as the driver in a complementary Darlington.
The persistence of the uA741 and uA748 has more to do with engineers
who recycle old designs without thinking how they might be improved by
employing more modern components. The persistence of the 555 owes a
lot to this kind of inertia, though to be fair to the 555, the
original design left rather less room for improvement than that of the
uA741 and the uA748.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
krw
>krw wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't have any problems finding a job. What are you doing, Slowman?
>> Still whining about your station in life, I see.
>
>I probably shouldn't be saying this, but if some individuals spent a
>little less time feeling embittered and sorry for themselves and instead
>tried to get on with people, they would find many willing to help out
>and give them work.
Except that no one "gives" anyone work. It's a contract like any
other. You have something to offer that someone else needs. Slowman
obviously doesn't fit the bill and projects his incompetence on
others. That's the leftist weenie way.
>If you don't respect yourself and hold the line re your own worst
>sentiments, how can you expect others to ?...
When you have nothing to offer, whining is all that you can do. A
politician, somewhere, will cater to your whining, and trade you a
biscuit for your soul.
krw
Yet you project your inadequacies on others. ...and whine. Trypical
leftist loser.
krw
Regardless of the misplaced pronouns, he ain't preaching at me,
dumbass. I'm not the unemployable one.
MooseFET
I've never had trouble arranging the connections of the LM555. The 8
pin DIP doesn't contain enough "corner paint" to cause major
concerns. There are lots of other chips that are more trouble to lay
out.
John Larkin
I still use them occasionally. Two opamps for 8 cents.
John
Jim Thompson
My designs from the '60's can still be purchased...
http://www.lansdale.com/news_about_lansdale.php?a=detail&id=31
http://www.lansdale.com/parts_reference.php?manufacturer=Motorola%2FFreescale&series=ECL+PLL+12000
http://www.lansdale.com/parts_reference.php?manufacturer=Motorola%2FFreescale&series=MECL+III+1600
pimpom
I didn't really mean that it's a "major" problem. What I meant
was that, for a simple circuit serving a simple purpose, albeit a
useful and versatile one, the illogical placement of pins makes
things more difficult than they could be.
For example, if pin 8 is Vcc, it would be better if ground was 5,
and the control voltage terminal at 4. Then connecting the bypass
cap from pin 4 would also be easier. Since the reset pin is often
tied to Vcc, it could be allocated to pin 1. It wouldn't cause a
problem with external triggering. I'd also interchange 2 and 3 -
that will make a straight track from 2 to 6 in astable mode. So
this is what I'd do:
_________
Reset 1-| |-8 Vcc
| |
Output 2-| |-7 Discharge
| |
Trigger 3-| |-6 Threshold
| |
Control 4-|_______|-5 Gnd
Of course, all this is academic since the 555 has been around as
it is for almost 40 years. But just visuallise drawing a
schematic or designing a pcb with my mythical IC. I think you'll
find that it's much easier.
J.A. Legris
Sloman is a rare bird here - intelligent, educated, authoritative. His
only obvious fault is that he wastes too much time in this
increasingly irrelevant N.G., irrelevance that appears to correlate
with the progression of J.T.'s dementia. Quite sad really.
--
Joe
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:52:52 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
> >I was thinking the other day about how some analog devices, like 741,
> >lm311 and others like lm348 seem to have a charmed life. Designed 30 odd
> >years ago and still going strong. I guess it's an indication of how
> >right they were from the start...
>
> >Regards,
>
> >Chris
>
> I still use them occasionally. Two opamps for 8 cents.
>
> John
Even better: LM324
<ducks for cover>
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
John Fields
---
Not trying to be unkind, but since the pinout is cast in stone it makes
no difference whether your pinout scheme would be better or not.
What does make sense is to draw your schematic in a way that makes the
operation of the device simple to visualize; inputs on the left and top,
outputs on the right and bottom whenever possible, and to let the pinout
fall where it may.
For example: (View in Courier)
In this example of an astable, to keep the part symmetrical and because
they're not used for anything, I put the RESET\ and VC pins on the
right, along with the output, and the important frequency and
pulse-width inputs on the left.
VCC and GND are located at the top and bottom, as is the convention for
power wiring.
Easy to read, yes?
VCC>--+----------------------+----------+
| |8 |
[12K] +----+----+ |
| |_ Vcc | |
+--------------7-O|D VC|-5- |
| | _| |
+---[470K]---+--6-|TH R|O-4--+
| | |__ | |
+-[1N4148>]--+-2-O|TR OUT|-3---|--->OUT
| | GND | |
[C] +----+----+ [0.1�F]
| |1 |
GND>---------------+---------+----------+
_ _
OUT____| |_____________________| |____
-->| |<--1ms
|<----------33ms------->|
Here's a monostable being triggered by a momentary switch and driving an
LED.
+V>----+-----------+------+-------+--------+---------------+
| | |K | |8 |
[10K] [100K] [1N4148] [100K] +---+---+ |
| | | | |_ Vcc | |
+--[0.1�F]--+------+-------|-2-O|T OUT|-3--+ |
| | | | | |
| +-6--|TH | [R] |C1
| O | |_ 555| | [0.1�F]
S1-->| +-7-O|D | [LED] |
| O | | GND | |K |
| [10�F] +---+---+ | |
| | |1 | |
GND>---+--------------------------+--------+--------+------+
JF
Rich Grise
USENET is open 24 hrs. a day. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Jamie
who where
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>My designs from the '60's can still be purchased...
>
>http://www.lansdale.com/news_about_lansdale.php?a=detail&id=31
>
>http://www.lansdale.com/parts_reference.php?manufacturer=Motorola%2FFreescale&series=Linear+1350+-+1700+%26+MMH0026
>
>http://www.lansdale.com/parts_reference.php?manufacturer=Motorola%2FFreescale&series=ECL+PLL+12000
>
>http://www.lansdale.com/parts_reference.php?manufacturer=Motorola%2FFreescale&series=MECL+III+1600
Jim, were you involved in the 10116/10216 line receivers?
Jim Thompson
No, that was after my time at Motorola. I did, however, design a
couple of LVDS devices for Fairchild (Portland, Maine, ~2001).
Bill Sloman
Move to the Netherlands and you certainly would be unemployable.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:44:53 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
> >krw wrote:
>
> >> I don't have any problems finding a job. What are you doing, Slowman?
> >> Still whining about your station in life, I see.
>
> >I probably shouldn't be saying this, but if some individuals spent a
> >little less time feeling embittered and sorry for themselves and instead
> >tried to get on with people, they would find many willing to help out
> >and give them work.
>
> Except that no one "gives" anyone work. It's a contract like any
> other. You have something to offer that someone else needs. Slowman
> obviously doesn't fit the bill and projects his incompetence on
> others. That's the leftist weenie way.
Fittng in the bill in my case would mean being a few years younger. If
I suffered from krw's restricted skill set, I'd need to be about 20
years younger. Being a little more flexible, I did manage to get a job
here when I was 57, which was widely held to be something of a
miracle.
So, if somebody has a time machine ...
> >If you don't respect yourself and hold the line re your own worst
> >sentiments, how can you expect others to ?...
>
> When you have nothing to offer, whining is all that you can do. A
> politician, somewhere, will cater to your whining, and trade you a
> biscuit for your soul.
Who is whining?
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:16:31 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
Care to quote an example of this behaviour?
Or would you prefer to remain labelled as a "trypical" right-wing
liar?
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
krw
Who in their right mind would move to that hell-hole?
krw
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 3:30�ｿｽpm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:44:53 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
>> >krw wrote:
>>
>> >> I don't have any problems finding a job. �ｿｽWhat are you doing, Slowman?
>> >> Still whining about your station in life, I see.
>>
>> >I probably shouldn't be saying this, but if some individuals spent a
>> >little less time feeling embittered and sorry for themselves and instead
>> >tried to get on with people, they would find many willing to help out
>> >and give them work.
>>
>> Except that no one "gives" anyone work. �ｿｽIt's a contract like any
>> other. �ｿｽYou have something to offer that someone else needs. �ｿｽSlowman
>> obviously doesn't fit the bill and projects his incompetence on
>> others. �ｿｽThat's the leftist weenie way.
>
>Fittng in the bill in my case would mean being a few years younger. If
>I suffered from krw's restricted skill set, I'd need to be about 20
>years younger. Being a little more flexible, I did manage to get a job
>here when I was 57, which was widely held to be something of a
>miracle.
If you "suffered" my restricted skill set you wouldn't be
unemployable. Obviously. I am. You can't.
>So, if somebody has a time machine ...
>
>> >If you don't respect yourself and hold the line re your own worst
>> >sentiments, how can you expect others to ?...
>>
>> When you have nothing to offer, whining is all that you can do. �ｿｽA
>> politician, somewhere, will cater to your whining, and trade you a
>> biscuit for your soul.
>
>Who is whining?
You. Incessantly.
krw
Look in a mirror, Slowman.
>Or would you prefer to remain labelled as a "trypical" right-wing
>liar?
No liar here, Slowman. You are the prototypical leftist loser.
Jamie
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:26:15 +0800, who where <no...@home.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:41:16 -0700, Jim Thompson
>><To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My designs from the '60's can still be purchased...
>>>
>>>http://www.lansdale.com/news_about_lansdale.php?a=detail&id=31
>>>
>>>http://www.lansdale.com/parts_reference.php?manufacturer=Motorola%2FFreescale&series=Linear+1350+-+1700+%26+MMH0026
>>>
>>>http://www.lansdale.com/parts_reference.php?manufacturer=Motorola%2FFreescale&series=ECL+PLL+12000
>>>
>>>http://www.lansdale.com/parts_reference.php?manufacturer=Motorola%2FFreescale&series=MECL+III+1600
>>
>>Jim, were you involved in the 10116/10216 line receivers?
>
>
> No, that was after my time at Motorola. I did, however, design a
> couple of LVDS devices for Fairchild (Portland, Maine, ~2001).
>
> ...Jim Thompson
I find it hard to believe that you had any involvement in PortLand, Me?
or Maine in general. After all, you do know what they say? We're all
related !
Have a good
Joel Koltner
news:c406d1df-f909-48af...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> So, if somebody has a time machine ...
But what's keeping you in the Netherlands, Bill?
John Fields
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>On Nov 23, 3:30�pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> Except that no one "gives" anyone work. �It's a contract like any
>> other. �You have something to offer that someone else needs. �Slowman
>> obviously doesn't fit the bill and projects his incompetence on
>> others. �That's the leftist weenie way.
>
>Fittng in the bill in my case would mean being a few years younger. If
>I suffered from krw's restricted skill set, I'd need to be about 20
>years younger. Being a little more flexible, I did manage to get a job
>here when I was 57, which was widely held to be something of a
>miracle.
---
I'd say your entire employment history was nothing _but_ a series of
miracles. ;)
JF
John Fields
---
A prime example is that in your inability to use 555's where it's the
device of choice, you brand everyone who can use them to good effect as,
somehow, subordinate to you.
JF
Jim Thompson
Funny. Here I am about to turn 70, and I'm still getting chip design
jobs. Must be something wrong with my "restricted skill set" ;-)
Rich Grise
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:05:09 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:18:15 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>>>
>>> >preaching.
>>>
>>> Regardless of the misplaced pronouns, he ain't preaching at me,
>>> dumbass. �I'm not the unemployable one.
>>
>>Move to the Netherlands and you certainly would be unemployable.
>
> Who in their right mind would move to that hell-hole?
Potheads? ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Bill Sloman
wrote:
> "Bill Sloman" <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote in message
>
> news:c406d1df-f909-48af...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > So, if somebody has a time machine ...
>
> But what's keeping you in the Netherlands, Bill?
Family responsibilities.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:47 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
The ignorant do have to rely on religion to explain everything.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:27:37 -0600, John Fields
>
>
>
>
>
> <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> >On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:47 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
> ><bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> >>On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
> >>> Except that no one "gives" anyone work. It's a contract like any
> >>> other. You have something to offer that someone else needs. Slowman
> >>> obviously doesn't fit the bill and projects his incompetence on
> >>> others. That's the leftist weenie way.
>
> >>Fittng in the bill in my case would mean being a few years younger. If
> >>I suffered from krw's restricted skill set, I'd need to be about 20
> >>years younger. Being a little more flexible, I did manage to get a job
> >>here when I was 57, which was widely held to be something of a
> >>miracle.
>
> >---
> >I'd say your entire employment history was nothing _but_ a series of
> >miracles. ;)
>
> >JF
>
> Funny. Here I am about to turn 70, and I'm still getting chip design
> jobs. Must be something wrong with my "restricted skill set" ;-)
I've used some of the chips he's designed. There is.
--
Bill Sloman. Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:47 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:44:53 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
> >> >krw wrote:
>
> >> >> Still whining about your station in life, I see.
>
> >> >I probably shouldn't be saying this, but if some individuals spent a
> >> >little less time feeling embittered and sorry for themselves and instead
> >> >tried to get on with people, they would find many willing to help out
> >> >and give them work.
>
> >> other. You have something to offer that someone else needs. Slowman
> >> obviously doesn't fit the bill and projects his incompetence on
>
> >Fittng in the bill in my case would mean being a few years younger. If
> >I suffered from krw's restricted skill set, I'd need to be about 20
> >years younger. Being a little more flexible, I did manage to get a job
> >here when I was 57, which was widely held to be something of a
> >miracle.
>
> If you "suffered" my restricted skill set you wouldn't be
> unemployable. Obviously. I am. You can't.
You may not have noted that you are in the USA, where age
discrimination is illegal, and I'm in the Netherlands where it is
institutionalised.
> >So, if somebody has a time machine ...
>
> >> >If you don't respect yourself and hold the line re your own worst
> >> >sentiments, how can you expect others to ?...
>
> >> When you have nothing to offer, whining is all that you can do. A
> >> politician, somewhere, will cater to your whining, and trade you a
> >> biscuit for your soul.
>
> >Who is whining?
>
> You. Incessantly.
The krw we know and love. No evidence to support his lying claim and
no shame about repeating it. A right-wing nitwit's right-wing nitwit.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:14:07 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
An evasion, rather than a quotation. Once again krw comes up empty.
> >Or would you prefer to remain labelled as a "trypical" right-wing
> >liar?
>
> No liar here, Slowman. You are the prototypical leftist loser.
krw can just about manage baseless assertions. His skill set doesn't
include reasoned argument from facts to conclusions.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:14:07 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
Where it is the device of your - rather restricted - choice.
> you brand everyone who can use them to good effect as,
> somehow, subordinate to you.
Your inability to master any of the numerous alternatives probably
does make you inferior to me when it comes to picking appropriate
devices to meet a specification.
We don't happen to enjoy the kind of relationship where I'd be your
supervisor and you'd be my subordinate. I can't say that I'd willingly
get involved in a situation where I'd have to accept responsiblity for
your efforts as a circuit designer.
I've supervised a fair number of junior engineers during my career,
and some were more competent than others. None of them were bad enough
that I had to spend more time checking their output than it would have
taken me to design the stuff myself, but sone did come a bit too close
to that for comfort.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
krw
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>On Nov 24, 2:18嚙窮m, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:47 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >On Nov 23, 3:30嚙緘m, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:44:53 +0000, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
>> >> >krw wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I don't have any problems finding a job. 嚙磕hat are you doing, Slowman?
>> >> >> Still whining about your station in life, I see.
>>
>> >> >I probably shouldn't be saying this, but if some individuals spent a
>> >> >little less time feeling embittered and sorry for themselves and instead
>> >> >tried to get on with people, they would find many willing to help out
>> >> >and give them work.
>>
>> >> Except that no one "gives" anyone work. 嚙瘢t's a contract like any
>> >> other. 嚙磐ou have something to offer that someone else needs. 嚙磅lowman
>> >> obviously doesn't fit the bill and projects his incompetence on
>> >> others. 嚙確hat's the leftist weenie way.
>>
>> >Fittng in the bill in my case would mean being a few years younger. If
>> >I suffered from krw's restricted skill set, I'd need to be about 20
>> >years younger. Being a little more flexible, I did manage to get a job
>> >here when I was 57, which was widely held to be something of a
>> >miracle.
>>
>> If you "suffered" my restricted skill set you wouldn't be
>> unemployable. 嚙瞌bviously. 嚙瘢 am. 嚙磐ou can't.
>
>You may not have noted that you are in the USA, where age
>discrimination is illegal, and I'm in the Netherlands where it is
>institutionalised.
A. A good reason not to live in that hell hole you live in.
B. More whining.
>> >So, if somebody has a time machine ...
>>
>> >> >If you don't respect yourself and hold the line re your own worst
>> >> >sentiments, how can you expect others to ?...
>>
>> >> When you have nothing to offer, whining is all that you can do. 嚙璀
>> >> politician, somewhere, will cater to your whining, and trade you a
>> >> biscuit for your soul.
>>
>> >Who is whining?
>>
>> You. 嚙瘢ncessantly.
>
>The krw we know and love. No evidence to support his lying claim and
>no shame about repeating it. A right-wing nitwit's right-wing nitwit.
See above for more whining. IOW, you're projecting your useless life
on others, again.
krw
Translated: His wife won't support the loser anywhere else.
krw
I can't help it if you're blind, Slowman.
>> >Or would you prefer to remain labelled as a "trypical" right-wing
>> >liar?
>>
>> No liar here, Slowman. �You are the prototypical leftist loser.
>
>krw can just about manage baseless assertions. His skill set doesn't
>include reasoned argument from facts to conclusions.
I can't help it if you're blind, Slowman. Everyone else here sees,
but you.
Bill Sloman
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:21:32 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
Like I said, krw can just about manage baseless assertions. Credible
baseless assertion would be something that he might aspire to.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
krw
Nothing baseless about it, Slowman. All you have to do is take
fingers to keyboard. Your incompetence and negativity gushes out.
It's no wonder you're an unemployable leech. That's what you are.
Bill Sloman
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:13:57 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
> >On Nov 24, 3:24 am, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> "Bill Sloman" <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote in message
>
> >>news:c406d1df-f909-48af...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > So, if somebody has a time machine ...
>
> >> But what's keeping you in the Netherlands, Bill?
>
> >Family responsibilities.
>
> Translated: His wife won't support theloseranywhere else.
As krw has mentioned, our interpretation of other people situations
does tend to be coloured by our own experience. The personality that
krw exhibits here isn't one that would equip him to establish or
sustain an aimiable and mutally satisfying relationship.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:30:07 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
>
>
>
>
> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Nov 25, 4:08 pm,krw<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:21:32 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:14:07 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
> >> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:16:31 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
> >> >> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:54:28 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
> >> >> >> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:28:19 +0530, "pimpom" <pim...@invalid.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >The people who designed the 555 timer should be given medals for
> >> >> >> >> >> >coming up with a deceptively simple device that is still seeing
> >> >> >> >> >> >so much use after nearly four decades.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Tell that to Slowman.
>
> >> >> >> >> >John Fields would be more interested. It has never turned out to be
> >> >> >> >> >useful for the work I've done.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >They also deserve to be
> >> >> >> >> >> >tarred and feathered for the pin-out configuration. :-)
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Pinouts never bothered me. That's the layout guy's problem. ;-)
> >> >> >> >> >> After a few BGAs they don't sweat the small stuff either.
>
> >> >> >> >> >I hate engineers who don't think about the layout they are effectively
> >> >> >> >> >asking for. Any circuit where stray capacitance or inductance can be a
> >> >> >> >> >problem should be designed with the layout in mind.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >I don't know about you others, but I shudder every time I want to
> >> >> >> >> >> >draw a schematic with the pins of the 555 in their relative
> >> >> >> >> >> >positions as well as when I need to design a pcb for it.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> You obviously know nothing about electronics. Just ask Slowman. ;-)
>
> >> >> >> >> >unexpected.
>
> >> >> >> >> I don't have any problems finding a job. What are you doing, Slowman?
> >> >> >> >> Still whining about your station in life, I see.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> >> >I can't say that I've got anything to whine about. I'd prefer to have
> >> >> >> >a job, but I can get by without one.
>
> >> >> >> Yet you project your inadequacies on others. ...and whine. Trypical
> >> >> >> leftistloser.
>
> >> >> >Care to quote an example of this behaviour?
>
> >> >> Look in a mirror, Slowman.
>
>
> >> I can't help it if you're blind, Slowman.
>
> >> >> >Or would you prefer to remain labelled as a "trypical" right-wing
> >> >> >liar?
>
> >> >> No liar here, Slowman. You are the prototypical leftistloser.
>
> >> >include reasoned argument from facts to conclusions.
>
> >> I can't help it if you're blind, Slowman. Everyone else here sees,
> >> but you.
>
> >baseless assertion would be something that he might aspire to.
>
> Nothing baseless about it, Slowman. All you have to do is take
> fingers to keyboard. Your incompetence and negativity gushes out.
> It's no wonder you're an unemployable leech. That's what you are.
Since krw only knows about fpga's, I may look incompetent - and
consequnetly unemployable - to him. Back in the real world, I got my
first commercial job a few months before I handed in my Ph.D. thesis,
back in 1969, and was continuously employed from then until 1991 when
my - technically successful - electron beam tester project was
cancelled. I got short term work within fours days, though to took a
couple of months before I got into the job that kept me busy until my
wife moved us to the Netherlands at the end of 1993. I was fifty at
the time, and the Dutch really don't like hiring people who are older
tha 45, but my age didn't outweigh my competence for another ten
years. At 67 I'm almost certainly unemployable in the Netherlands, but
we won't be here forever.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
John Fields
---
Do you deny the existence of miracles?
JF
John Fields
---
???
I've used it, successfully, in many more applications than you have,
since by your own admission you've never included it in anything you've
done, so I think the restriction of choice is in _your_ camp.
---
>> you brand everyone who can use them to good effect as,
>> somehow, subordinate to you.
>
>Your inability to master any of the numerous alternatives probably
>does make you inferior to me when it comes to picking appropriate
>devices to meet a specification.
---
Nice dodge, but the question was about quoting you an example of your
projecting your inferiority onto others, which I did.
As far as my mastering the use of alternatives goes, you have no clue
but, as usual, are willing and eager to spew invective in order to
change the subject and avoid the argument.
---
>We don't happen to enjoy the kind of relationship where I'd be your
>supervisor and you'd be my subordinate. I can't say that I'd willingly
>get involved in a situation where I'd have to accept responsiblity for
>your efforts as a circuit designer.
---
Of course you wouldn't, being the narcissistic prima donna that you are.
---
>I've supervised a fair number of junior engineers during my career,
>and some were more competent than others.
---
Really???
What a surprise!!!
---
>None of them were bad enough
>that I had to spend more time checking their output than it would have
>taken me to design the stuff myself, but sone did come a bit too close
>to that for comfort.
---
I can imagine why...
Just the thought of having to design something a junior engineer
couldn't handle must have scared you half to death.
JF
Greegor
BS > Family responsibilities.
krw > Translated: His wife won't support theloseranywhere else.
BS > As krw has mentioned, our interpretation of other
BS > people situations does tend to be coloured by
BS > our own experience. The personality that krw
BS > exhibits here isn't one that would equip him
BS > to establish or sustain an aimiable and
BS > mutally satisfying relationship.
Further down you explained that krw's translation is correct.
You are a 67 year old PhD who hasn't worked in 18 years.
What experience would color that some other way?
Greegor
BS > Family responsibilities.
KRW > Translated: His wife won't support the loser anywhere else.
BS > As krw has mentioned, our interpretation
BS > of other people situations does tend to
BS > be coloured by our own experience. The
BS > personality that krw exhibits here isn't
BS > one that would equip him to establish or
BS > sustain an aimiable and mutally
BS > satisfying relationship.
What you're saying is that krw is right, but
you don't choose to see it that way, but
further down you explained that you are
a 67 year old PhD and you haven't
worked for 18 years.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/0534a3b7c7697150
Greegor
On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
BS > Since krw only knows about fpga's, I may
BS > look incompetent - and consequnetly
BS > unemployable - to him. Back in the
BS > real world, I got my first commercial job
BS > a few months before I handed in my
BS > Ph.D. thesis, back in 1969, and was
BS > continuously employed from then until
BS > 1991 when my - technically successful
BS > - electron beam tester project was cancelled.
What purpose would that device have served?
BS > I got short term work within fours days,
BS > though to took a couple of months before
BS > I got into the job that kept me busy until
BS > my wife moved us to the Netherlands at
BS > the end of 1993. I was fifty at the time,
BS > and the Dutch really don't like hiring
BS > people who are older than 45, but my
BS > age didn't outweigh my competence
BS > for another ten years. At 67 I'm almost
BS > certainly unemployable in the Netherlands,
BS > but we won't be here forever.
So you're a 67 year old PhD who worked for
22 years but have been unemployed for 18 years.
What kind of work does your wife do?
Greegor
On Nov 26, 4:41 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
BS > Since krw only knows about fpga's, I may
BS > look incompetent - and consequnetly
BS > unemployable - to him. Back in the real
BS > world, I got my first commercial job a few
BS > months before I handed in my Ph.D.
BS > thesis, back in 1969, and was continuously
BS > employed from then until 1991 when
BS > my - technically successful - electron
BS > beam tester project was cancelled.
What was that to be useful for?
BS > I got short term work within fours days,
BS > though to took a couple of months
BS > before I got into the job that kept
BS > me busy until
BS > my wife moved us to the Netherlands at the end of 1993.
It's interesting that you describe this as
completely her choice and responsibility.
Why is that?
BS > I was fifty at the time, and the Dutch
BS > really don't like hiring people who are
BS > older than 45, but my age didn't
BS > outweigh my competence for another
BS > ten years. At 67 I'm almost certainly
BS > unemployable in the Netherlands,
BS > but we won't be here forever.
BS > Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
So you haven't worked for 18 years?
And you preach socialist economic theories??
Bill Sloman
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:15:06 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
>
>
>
>
> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On Nov 24, 2:27 pm, John Fields <jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:11:47 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>
> >> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
> >> >> Except that no one "gives" anyone work. It's a contract like any
> >> >> other. You have something to offer that someone else needs. Slowman
> >> >> obviously doesn't fit the bill and projects his incompetence on
> >> >> others. That's the leftist weenie way.
>
> >> >Fittng in the bill in my case would mean being a few years younger. If
> >> >I suffered from krw's restricted skill set, I'd need to be about 20
> >> >years younger. Being a little more flexible, I did manage to get a job
> >> >here when I was 57, which was widely held to be something of a
> >> >miracle.
>
> >> ---
> >> I'd say your entire employment history was nothing _but_ a series of
> >> miracles. ;)
>
> >The ignorant do have to rely on religion to explain everything.
>
> ---
> Do you deny the existence of miracles?
One man's spontaneous remission is another man's miracle. I certainly
don't hang around waiting for them to happen.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> JK > But what's keeping you in the Netherlands, Bill?
>
> BS > Family responsibilities.
>
>
> BS > As krw has mentioned, our interpretation of other
> BS > people situations does tend to be coloured by
> BS > our own experience. The personality that krw
> BS > exhibits here isn't one that would equip him
> BS > to establish or sustain an aimiable and
> BS > mutally satisfying relationship.
>
> Further down you explained that krw's translation is correct.
> You are a 67 year old PhD who hasn't worked in 18 years.
Your reading skills leave something to be desired - the last full-time
job I had ran out in May 2003, a bit more than six years ago - not 18
- when I was 60.
> What experience would color that some other way?
The experience of working out with my wife - back in 1992 - why we
should move to the Netherlands, on the basis that though it was not
going to do my career any good, the advantage to her career still
justified the move. It involved the kind of mutual generosity that krw
doesn't seem to be equipped to appreciate - his "translation" is a
liitle too characteristically mean-spirited to be described as
correct.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/0534a3b7c76...
>
> On Nov 26, 4:41 am,Bill Sloman<bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> BS > Since krw only knows about fpga's, I may
> BS > look incompetent - and consequnetly
> BS > unemployable - to him. Back in the
> BS > real world, I got my first commercial job
> BS > a few months before I handed in my
> BS > Ph.D. thesis, back in 1969, and was
> BS > continuously employed from then until
> BS > 1991 when my - technically successful
> BS > - electron beam tester project was cancelled.
>
> What purpose would that device have served?
Basically it let you probe a working integrated circuit in the same
way that you'd use an oscilloscope to probe a printed circuit board.
One of it's immediate predecessor was credit with shortening the
process of debigging the 68000 by about three months.
> BS > I got short term work within fours days,
> BS > though to took a couple of months before
> BS > I got into the job that kept me busy until
> BS > my wife moved us to the Netherlands at
> BS > the end of 1993. I was fifty at the time,
> BS > and the Dutch really don't like hiring
> BS > people who are older than 45, but my
> BS > age didn't outweigh my competence
> BS > for another ten years. At 67 I'm almost
> BS > certainly unemployable in the Netherlands,
> BS > but we won't be here forever.
>
> So you're a 67 year old PhD who worked for
> 22 years but have been unemployed for 18 years.
AS I mentioned above, your reading skills aren't up to much. My last
job in the Netherlands ran out in May 2003, when I was 60. I haven't
been able to get work since then - for six years now.
> What kind of work does your wife do?
That's none of your business.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:32:38 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
You've used it extensively, because you've not been aware of anything
better. That you don't see this as defect in your expertise says it
all.
> >> you brand everyone who can use them to good effect as,
> >> somehow, subordinate to you.
>
> >Your inability to master any of the numerous alternatives probably
> >does make you inferior to me when it comes to picking appropriate
> >devices to meet a specification.
>
> ---
> Nice dodge, but the question was about quoting you an example of your
> projecting your inferiority onto others, which I did.
Nice try. I can see how you might see my "inability" to see the 555 as
a nearly universal cure-all as an "inferiority" but it is the same
kind of "inferiority" as my persistent failure to master sign
language.
> As far as my mastering the use of alternatives goes, you have no clue
> but, as usual, are willing and eager to spew invective in order to
> change the subject and avoid the argument.
That you don't seem to have found many alternatives to the 555 does
give a pretty obvious clue to your capacities in this area. You
enthusiasm for advancing defective arguments saves me from having to
"spew invective" - I just have to encourage you to respond and leave
you to manage the task of portraying youself as an idiot.
> >We don't happen to enjoy the kind of relationship where I'd be your
> >supervisor and you'd be my subordinate. I can't say that I'd willingly
> >get involved in a situation where I'd have to accept responsiblity for
> >your efforts as a circuit designer.
>
> Of course you wouldn't, being the narcissistic prima donna that you are.
Even the humblest and most self-effacing senior engineer would steer
clear of acquiring a subordinate who tried to solve every problem with
a 555.
> >I've supervised a fair number of junior engineers during my career,
> >and some were more competent than others.
>
> ---
> Really???
>
> What a surprise!!!
> ---
>
> >None of them were bad enough
> >that I had to spend more time checking their output than it would have
> >taken me to design the stuff myself, but sone did come a bit too close
> >to that for comfort.
>
> ---
> I can imagine why...
>
> Just the thought of having to design something a junior engineer
> couldn't handle must have scared you half to death.
Far from it, but my own supervisors did keep hammering at the point
that my job was supervising my subordinates, not doing their jobs for
them. Mostly I could get by by steering them away from bad solutions,
by - for example - getting them to tolerance over-simplified versions
of their approach early on, which is the sort of trick that could
often wean them off their first idea without doing too much damage to
their self-esteem.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
krw
That must be why I've been married for 38 years. IOW, another case of
Billy Slowman projection.
BTW, are you a cuckold too?
krw
Wrong again, Slowman. You're unemployable because no one will hire
*you*. It has nothing to do with me, though you're wrong here too.
FPGAs are just a small, though quite interesting, part of my
experience. IOW, add in your AGW religion and you're competing with
DimBulb for the AlwaysWrong title.
>Back in the real world, I got my
>first commercial job a few months before I handed in my Ph.D. thesis,
>back in 1969, and was continuously employed from then until 1991 when
>my - technically successful - electron beam tester project was
>cancelled. I got short term work within fours days, though to took a
>couple of months before I got into the job that kept me busy until my
>wife moved us to the Netherlands at the end of 1993. I was fifty at
>the time, and the Dutch really don't like hiring people who are older
>tha 45, but my age didn't outweigh my competence for another ten
>years. At 67 I'm almost certainly unemployable in the Netherlands, but
>we won't be here forever.
You always revert to the past and have excuses for your current
failings. <shrug>
krw
She's a linguist, or some such. I let you imagine her specialty.
John Fields
---
Why don't you just answer the question instead of doing your little
dance?
JF
Jim Thompson
But Slowman gets to watch ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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John Fields
---
It's not a defect in my expertise because it simply isn't true, as I've
pointed out often enough for someone with a reasonable attention span to
grasp.
You, however, with your belief that if you repeat a lie often enough
it'll magically turn into the truth, aren't that someone.
---
>> >> you brand everyone who can use them to good effect as,
>> >> somehow, subordinate to you.
>>
>> >Your inability to master any of the numerous alternatives probably
>> >does make you inferior to me when it comes to picking appropriate
>> >devices to meet a specification.
>>
>> ---
>> Nice dodge, but the question was about quoting you an example of your
>> projecting your inferiority onto others, which I did.
>
>Nice try. I can see how you might see my "inability" to see the 555 as
>a nearly universal cure-all as an "inferiority" but it is the same
>kind of "inferiority" as my persistent failure to master sign
>language.
---
So your inabilities extend to more than just not being able to use a 555
when it's the device of choice?
Figgers...
I don't see where I stated that it's a "nearly universal cure-all",
those are words you keep trying to put in my mouth to make me look like
the heavy.
The deal is, it's not me with the problem since I can take 'em or leave
'em, and I take 'em when it's appropriate. You, though seem to have
this tremendous dislike of them and have said many times that you'd
never, under any circumstances, use them in any of your designs. Sounds
to me like you've painted yourself into a corner when it turns out to be
a better, faster, cheaper alternative to some monstrosity you've saddled
someone with.
---
>> As far as my mastering the use of alternatives goes, you have no clue
>> but, as usual, are willing and eager to spew invective in order to
>> change the subject and avoid the argument.
>
>That you don't seem to have found many alternatives to the 555 does
>give a pretty obvious clue to your capacities in this area.
---
There you go again...
---
> You enthusiasm for advancing defective arguments saves me from having to
>"spew invective" - I just have to encourage you to respond and leave
>you to manage the task of portraying youself as an idiot.
---
There is no "defective argument" being advanced from my end, and from
your, only lies issue.
---
>> >We don't happen to enjoy the kind of relationship where I'd be your
>> >supervisor and you'd be my subordinate. I can't say that I'd willingly
>> >get involved in a situation where I'd have to accept responsiblity for
>> >your efforts as a circuit designer.
>>
>> Of course you wouldn't, being the narcissistic prima donna that you are.
>
>Even the humblest and most self-effacing senior engineer would steer
>clear of acquiring a subordinate who tried to solve every problem with
>a 555.
---
Of course, since if the subordinate outfoxed the senior engineer with a
555, the senior engineer would wind up with egg on his face.
---
>> >I've supervised a fair number of junior engineers during my career,
>> >and some were more competent than others.
>>
>> ---
>> Really???
>>
>> What a surprise!!!
>> ---
>>
>> >None of them were bad enough
>> >that I had to spend more time checking their output than it would have
>> >taken me to design the stuff myself, but sone did come a bit too close
>> >to that for comfort.
>>
>> ---
>> I can imagine why...
>>
>> Just the thought of having to design something a junior engineer
>> couldn't handle must have scared you half to death.
>
>Far from it, but my own supervisors did keep hammering at the point
>that my job was supervising my subordinates, not doing their jobs for
>them. Mostly I could get by by steering them away from bad solutions,
>by - for example - getting them to tolerance over-simplified versions
>of their approach early on, which is the sort of trick that could
>often wean them off their first idea without doing too much damage to
>their self-esteem.
---
I think I'm going to throw up...
JF
krw
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:23:37 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:16:22 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
>><bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 25, 4:06�pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:13:57 -0800 (PST),Bill Sloman
>>>>
>>>> <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>> >On Nov 24, 3:24�am, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com>
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >> "Bill Sloman" <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> >>news:c406d1df-f909-48af...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> >> > So, if somebody has a time machine ...
>>>>
>>>> >> But what's keeping you in the Netherlands, Bill?
>>>>
>>>> >Family responsibilities.
>>>>
>>>> Translated: His wife won't support theloseranywhere else.
>>>
>>>As krw has mentioned, our interpretation of other people situations
>>>does tend to be coloured by our own experience. The personality that
>>>krw exhibits here isn't one that would equip him to establish or
>>>sustain an aimiable and mutally satisfying relationship.
>>
>>That must be why I've been married for 38 years. IOW, another case of
>>Billy Slowman projection.
>>
>>BTW, are you a cuckold too?
>
>But Slowman gets to watch ;-)
...and whine. Like the rest of his miserable life, it's all he can
do.
Greegor
G > What kind of work does your wife do?
BS > That's none of your business.
But you, as an Aussie ex pat living in Belgium
think it's YOUR business to comment on the
health care system in the US?
Considering you lean toward socialism,
whose business something is would be
a particularly ironic subject.
Michael A. Terrell
Well, someone has to wash her underware.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Michael A. Terrell
He's waiting for someone to stuff a Euro into his panties?
JosephKK
Hasn't worked in 18 years? Wow. Recently Bill mentioned that his
PdD was in Physical Chemistry. More than a small distance from
electrical engineering. Don't get me wrong, but i have spent a year
between jobs. On the other hand i can sass the hell out of management
and keep my job, because i do it well. Can Bill make that statement?
Joel Koltner
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> Hasn't worked in 18 years? Wow. Recently Bill mentioned that his
> PdD was in Physical Chemistry. More than a small distance from
> electrical engineering.
Not that I'm defending Bill here, but don't Horowitz and Hill both have their
PhDs in physics?
Jim Thompson
Horowitz has the PhD, Hill (AFAICT) has no degrees, not that matters
much, electronics design is more art than science.
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Joel Koltner
> Don't know. Ask Win.
Well, my point is that Bill could be entirely useful doing electronics design
even if his PhD is in physical chemistry, that's all.
Hard to know, though... if I were advising Bill I'd suggest he start doing
some electronics again, put up a web site like Jim's -- it's a great learning
resource and advertises that you might just know more than the average bear,
and these days you can do so much for cheap or free with, e.g., LTSpice,
microcontrollers, etc.--, and I'd be willing to bet that eventually he could
get some contract work.
---Joel