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Robert Baer  
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 More options Nov 12 2012, 3:57 pm
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
From: Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:57:35 -0800
Local: Mon, Nov 12 2012 3:57 pm
Subject: Supply Controller (continued)
   For schematic of my "controller" see http://www.oil4lessllc.org/Misc/ .
   Some responders in the past indicated that the source had to be
pulled down to ground for the dratted IR2118 to work properly.
   Note in my case i need the output to be adjustable from somewhere
near ground (50V will do) to somewhere near supply (120V), and that
voltage have little ripple (say under 10% or 10V - whichever is
reasonable for supply to bottom of flyback in TV.
   As shown, i do not get an adjustable voltage, and it is fairly low.

   Clues please to get this to work (or an alternate that is cheeep.
   Thanks.


 
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langwadt@fonz.dk  
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 More options Nov 12 2012, 4:22 pm
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From: "langw...@fonz.dk" <langw...@fonz.dk>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:22:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 12 2012 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: Supply Controller (continued)
On 12 Nov., 21:57, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:

>    For schematic of my "controller" seehttp://www.oil4lessllc.org/Misc/.
>    Some responders in the past indicated that the source had to be
> pulled down to ground for the dratted IR2118 to work properly.
>    Note in my case i need the output to be adjustable from somewhere
> near ground (50V will do) to somewhere near supply (120V), and that
> voltage have little ripple (say under 10% or 10V - whichever is
> reasonable for supply to bottom of flyback in TV.
>    As shown, i do not get an adjustable voltage, and it is fairly low.

>    Clues please to get this to work (or an alternate that is cheeep.
>    Thanks.

what are you trying to do, could you make a simple schematic?

-Lasse


 
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Robert Baer  
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 More options Nov 13 2012, 3:13 am
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From: Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:13:45 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 13 2012 3:13 am
Subject: Re: Supply Controller (continued)

   Please READ the first line..

 
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Jan Panteltje  
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 More options Nov 13 2012, 3:29 am
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From: Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:29:22 GMT
Local: Tues, Nov 13 2012 3:29 am
Subject: Re: Supply Controller (continued)
On a sunny day (Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:57:35 -0800) it happened Robert Baer
<robertb...@localnet.com> wrote in <9pdos.3348$s44.1...@newsfe11.iad>:

>   For schematic of my "controller" see http://www.oil4lessllc.org/Misc/ .
>   Some responders in the past indicated that the source had to be
>pulled down to ground for the dratted IR2118 to work properly.
>   Note in my case i need the output to be adjustable from somewhere
>near ground (50V will do) to somewhere near supply (120V), and that
>voltage have little ripple (say under 10% or 10V - whichever is
>reasonable for supply to bottom of flyback in TV.
>   As shown, i do not get an adjustable voltage, and it is fairly low.

>   Clues please to get this to work (or an alternate that is cheeep.
>   Thanks.

You need to read up on switcth mode design basics.
At teh very basics you need to put a bit of charge into the output
capacitor every cycle, that requires an inductor in series with the switch.
This drawing you show makes no sense.
You would also need a flyback diode in the simplest design.

+ --- switch --------L --------
                |         |
in             ---        C   load
               / \        |
               --         |
                |         |
-------------------------------

There are many more ways and many configuration possible, yours is not one of them :-)


 
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langwadt@fonz.dk  
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 More options Nov 13 2012, 5:04 am
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From: "langw...@fonz.dk" <langw...@fonz.dk>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:04:12 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 13 2012 5:04 am
Subject: Re: Supply Controller (continued)
On Nov 13, 9:13 am, Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com> wrote:

That is for you "controller", I mean a schematic of the system, the
supplies,
the load etc.

when you say bottom of flyback, I'm imagining you need a supply that
can sink
current?

-Lasse


 
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Robert Baer  
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 More options Nov 14 2012, 12:35 am
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From: Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:35:29 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2012 12:35 am
Subject: Re: Supply Controller (continued)
Robert Baer wrote:
> For schematic of my "controller" see http://www.oil4lessllc.org/Misc/ .
> Some responders in the past indicated that the source had to be pulled
> down to ground for the dratted IR2118 to work properly.
> Note in my case i need the output to be adjustable from somewhere near
> ground (50V will do) to somewhere near supply (120V), and that voltage
> have little ripple (say under 10% or 10V - whichever is reasonable for
> supply to bottom of flyback in TV.
> As shown, i do not get an adjustable voltage, and it is fairly low.

> Clues please to get this to work (or an alternate that is cheeep.
> Thanks.

   Full manual for the TV set, and extracted schematic, with selected
info now added to http://www.oil4lessllc.org/Misc/ .
   I have added a pulse transformer..the IR2118 is now driving its
primary, and a 1K added from Vs (pin 6) to ground lets it work nicely.
   Still do not get adjustable range desired.
   The pulse transformer used is the Murata 78601/2C (500uH) and does
not "transmit" the full width of the pulse:

      |---\   <--full 12V
      |    \
      |    |   v--rather small level
      |    |-----|
-----|          |------ 0V

      <--5uSec-->  Pulse transformer loading is the FET gate

   Would a 10,000uH pulse transformer work better?


 
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Tim Williams  
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 More options Nov 14 2012, 8:56 am
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From: "Tim Williams" <tmoran...@charter.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:55:39 -0600
Local: Wed, Nov 14 2012 8:55 am
Subject: Re: Supply Controller (continued)
More inductance isn't the problem; you need one with a higher V.us flux
rating.

In that particular series, they use Ferroxcube 3F3 cores, so a higher
inductance will be consistent with higher flux, not just a higher
permeability core.

Tim

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Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

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Robert Baer  
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 More options Nov 15 2012, 3:32 am
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From: Robert Baer <robertb...@localnet.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:32:44 -0800
Local: Thurs, Nov 15 2012 3:32 am
Subject: Re: Supply Controller (continued)
Tim Williams wrote:
> More inductance isn't the problem; you need one with a higher V.us flux
> rating.

> In that particular series, they use Ferroxcube 3F3 cores, so a higher
> inductance will be consistent with higher flux, not just a higher
> permeability core.

> Tim

   Thanks.

 
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