Decimial has set progress back -> Help spread the use of Hex!
James Llort
Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
is extremely fast. The only reason we use decmial is for legacy
reasons. Sure, the majority of people have ten fingers / toes, but
basing our entire default number system on that is horribly offending
thoses without the prereuqiesit number of digits. That's besides the
point though. If we were brought up on hexadecimial instead of
decmial, just think how easier life would be! No having to change the
default radix on out Zilog assembler. No trouble converting to binary
and back. No problems memorising ASCII codes.
I for one vote we take the final step and move towards a true standard
numbers system. Combine the waring factions of roman and arabic and
use hex and the worldwide standard. This would be a big step towards
settleting the differences between that idiot bush and italy for
instance. Really though, The Roman empire may never have fallen if
they had joined the trojans and adopted base 16 as a symbol of peace.
Just think of the economic benefits this may have today!
I strongly believe that us, readers of technical newsgroups have to
intelligence and resourcenessfullness to band together in germany as a
bastion of hex, and gradually take over companies that refuse to
follow us. I of couse would be leader and you my loyal followers but
as hexians we would truly suceed! We would rule with an steel fist!
Finally news2020 I will make you a deal. Help me with my plan to
spread the use of base 16 and I will turn the radiation off. Now,
after we spread base 16 universally we will abolish the MSCE. It is
the biggest cause of suffering in the world, short of famine, disease
and n*sync. I will take over microsoft and bill gates will be my
hiouse cleaner.
JOIN THE HEXIANS!!!
James Llort
Terry King
> sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
> is extremely fast.
Try contacting SMSG at Yale. Who knows, they may rise again.
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Jonathan Bromley
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> JOIN THE HEXIANS!!!
Too late, I'm afraid. You Hexians with eight digits
on each hand are soon to be wiped out by the Raelians,
who not only have a sensible number of digits (thirty
on each hand) but can be cloned to give arbitrarily
large rates of population increase and thereby
take over the world. A sort of pinkware spam or virus.
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Simon Bowring
What I assume (hopefully?) must have been a "troll" (or else an
insane idea!)? Also there's no need to cross-post to irrelevent
groups.
We only use hex and octal numbers in the first place because they
are both:
1) Closest to radix 10 that we all know (and "love") AND
2) They can represent binary numbers efficiently and exactly (and
digital computers work in binary)!!
>Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
>sense.
Why? It most certainly DOES NOT make any more sense than any other
base! And to get all of human societies to change the habits traditions
and historical math and scientific papers of generations for no good
reason and no benefit whatsoever is not a good plan, neither is it even
vaguely feasible!
Maths is baseless, you can do maths in any base - computers work in
*binary* so hex (or any non-zero power of 2 radix) is efficent and
at representing binary numbers *exactly*. There's no reason to extend
this to non-binary maths!
If there are any "natural" numerical base systems in the universe,
then they are not binary, octal, decimal, hex or whatever, but
possibly might use "prime" radices or use e etc etc - certainly
not convenient for us or computers to use!
Jeez!
Simon
Robert Kolker
James Llort wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
> sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
> is extremely fast.
Hex representation only makes sense in a computer context where
quantities have a physical binary representation. If the physics of
computers permited tri-stable elements we would be best off with a base
that was a power of three.
In any case, the representation used in no wise affects or determines
the underlying mathematics.
Bob Kolker
david lindauer
James Llort wrote:
>
<snip>
> JOIN THE HEXIANS!!!
>
Alas, my plans for world conquest using the base 21 system (because there
are 20 digits on a body plus the nose) are facing serious competition!
David
jmfb...@aol.com
"Simon Bowring" <sbowrin...@mpc-data.co.uk> wrote:
>On 7 Jan 2003 02:22:36 -0800, James Llort wrote...
>
>What I assume (hopefully?) must have been a "troll" (or else an
>insane idea!)? Also there's no need to cross-post to irrelevent
>groups.
Google for the username Thinkit.
<snip>
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
g0mem
"James Llort" <james...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Everyone,
>
> Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
> sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
> is extremely fast.
<snipped>
This is the same large 'James Llort' with the 'sensitive ears' that was
happy listening to MP3s, and could here CDs stepping.
Look at James's surname.
Mike Turner
g0mem
>
> Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
> sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
> is extremely fast. The only reason we use decmial is for legacy
> reasons. Sure, the majority of people have ten fingers / toes, but
> basing our entire default number system on that is horribly offending
> thoses without the prereuqiesit number of digits. That's besides the
> point though. If we were brought up on hexadecimial instead of
> decmial, just think how easier life would be! No having to change the
> default radix on out Zilog assembler. No trouble converting to binary
> and back. No problems memorising ASCII codes.
I think that we should adopt the Roman system of numbers. Much favoured by
clock makers, and Intel as far as the Pentium III processor. No more
problems trying to read the copyright date at the end of movies. And dosen't
offend anyone, no matter how many digits they have.
Have a happy MMIII
Mike Turner
born VI March MCMLXIII
Spehro Pefhany
<isembard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I think that we should adopt the Roman system of numbers. Much favoured by
>clock makers, and Intel as far as the Pentium III processor. No more
>problems trying to read the copyright date at the end of movies. And dosen't
>offend anyone, no matter how many digits they have.
>
>Have a happy MMIII
>
>Mike Turner
>born VI March MCMLXIII
Would the answer to everything still be XLII?
Would we still refer to LXIX?
Best regards,
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"Spehro Pefhany" <sp...@interlog.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:32:34 -0000, the renowned "g0mem"
> <isembard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I think that we should adopt the Roman system of numbers. Much favoured
by
> >clock makers, and Intel as far as the Pentium III processor. No more
> >problems trying to read the copyright date at the end of movies. And
dosen't
> >offend anyone, no matter how many digits they have.
> >
> >Have a happy MMIII
> >
> >Mike Turner
> >born VI March MCMLXIII
>
> Would the answer to everything still be XLII?
Of course! The answer to life, the universe, and everything
>
> Would we still refer to LXIX?
More than likely. Especially if you do it in Togas, and other Roman attire.
And you would have Micro$oft Windoze XCVIII, to go with Apple's new OS-X.
Certain songs would have to be renamed:-
XII Days of Christmas
I, IV, VI, VIII Motorway - Tom Robinson
II Become I - Spice Girls
III Times a Lady - Commodores
MCMXCIX Red Balloons - Nena
Some tune rewritting would be required to make the lyrics fit.
Mike Turner
G0MEM
Vlad
clock time.
It's due to an update. Shell I say uphour ?
Standard time, East time, West time, Central time GMT time etc. etc.
Why not Internet time based on GMT time, Moron's time or on anything
time but only one time all over the world ?
Doesn't annoy you to reply to a question that was posted tomorrow,
when you know that tomorrow was yesterday ?
Vlad
On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 14:41:47 GMT, Spehro Pefhany <sp...@interlog.com>
wrote:
g0mem
"g0mem" <isembard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Spotted the mistake should be XCIX Red Balloons - Nena, I was thinking of
Party Like MCMXCIX - Prince
Mike Turner
G0MEM
g0mem
And to get you practised in this upcoming number system here is a useful web
page including a handy Roman Javascript calculator:-
http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/roman.html
Mike Turner
G0MEM
RP Henry
"g0mem" <isembard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I think that we should adopt the Roman system of numbers. Much favoured by
> clock makers, and Intel as far as the Pentium III processor. No more
> problems trying to read the copyright date at the end of movies. And
dosen't
> offend anyone, no matter how many digits they have.
I just realized that when I was a child, being taught Roman numerals in
elementary school, that I looked forward to MM when the date would be so
simple to understand. Then I forgot all about it until reading this post.
>
> Have a happy MMIII
>
> Mike Turner
> born VI March MCMLXIII
>
RP Henry
Born Ides of March, MCMXLVII
Roy McCammon
>
> Sorry for changing the subject but what buggies me the most is the
> clock time.
> It's due to an update. Shell I say uphour ?
> Standard time, East time, West time, Central time GMT time etc. etc.
> Why not Internet time based on GMT time, Moron's time or on anything
> time but only one time all over the world ?
> Doesn't annoy you to reply to a question that was posted tomorrow,
> when you know that tomorrow was yesterday ?
I believe we should program computers and not people.
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John Fields
<dlin...@notifier-is.net> wrote:
>Alas, my plans for world conquest using the base 21 system (because there
>are 20 digits on a body plus the nose) are facing serious competition!
---
_21_ plus the nose on the male human.
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jfi...@texas.net (John Fields) wrote:
>On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:58:53 -0500, david lindauer
><dlin...@notifier-is.net> wrote:
>
>>Alas, my plans for world conquest using the base 21 system (because there
>>are 20 digits on a body plus the nose) are facing serious competition!
>---
>_21_ plus the nose on the male human.
>
<grin> I refuse to accept a number system where I'll have to
have a two-legged male critter so I can count.
Simon Bowring
>I think that we should adopt the Roman system of numbers. Much favoured by
>clock makers, and Intel as far as the Pentium III processor.
See the excellent COMPVTER ROMANVS at http://www.naturalmath.com/tool2.html
Simon
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>
> Why don't people use hex in everyday math?
[deleted]
The Babylonians used base 60, which is why we have 60 minutes in an hour,
etc. I've seen 12 proposed, because it has lots of divisors. It used to be
used in England - dozens.
Leon
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Nice one, will have to tell my friends Biggvs Dickvs, Sillivs Soddvs and
Nortivs Maximvs abovt this web site;-)
Mike Tvrner
G0MEM
Uncle Al
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Why don't people use hex in everyday math?
People don't have 16 fingers.
> Logically it makes more
> sense.
Base 32 makes even more sense, base 64 more still. How many toes do
you have? Let's all speak Esperanto and vote for the same corrupt
politician. The world only needs one flavor of ice cream and one size
of dildo, too.
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> sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
Please explain how hexadecimal is more efficient for general
mathematical purposes than, say, base 314 or base 5?
You may be about to argue that it facilitates conversion to binary,
and makes certain computer programming tasks easier to visualize, but
in fact the vast majority of numbers worked with daily have nothing to
do with computers; they are heights, weights, lengths, densities,
temperatures. However, there are much more important issues in your
message, which I think you fail to realize:
> reasons. Sure, the majority of people have ten fingers / toes, but
Which ought to make us able to count to at least 1 048 575 (in bare
feet), and I for one bitterly regret the retrograde evolutionary step
that denied homo sapiens a tail - clearly, nature's sign bit. The
human's vestigial tail is an obvious signal that the small primates
who have been studying us in our laboratories are soon to take over
the world.
You will observe that nature has specialized the mathematical
abilities of its creations by providing each with specific calculating
organs. A chicken, for instance, has only four discernible toes per
foot, and two wings. However, each foot has a separate toe facing
backwards, and three toes facing forwards. The erudite
chicken-observer will note that the rearward claw is a sign bit, the
three forward-facing claws are data bits, and the wing positions are
used to signal arithmetical operations. To wit, both wings
outstretched horizontally denotes a subtraction operation, both wings
held at a 45 degree downward angle denotes addition, and wings furled
by the side of the chicken indicate no-op (simple data storage for use
in a future calculation).
Clearly, the lone chicken is not intended to perform any vast
calcualation. This beast was designed to operate in large arithmetical
flocks, roaming and calculating across the countryside, and
communicating with a simple, audible, staccato binary code. The
chicken is unquestionably to mathematics what the ant is to civil
engineering.
> decmial, just think how easier life would be! No having to change the
> default radix on out Zilog assembler. No trouble converting to binary
> and back. No problems memorising ASCII codes.
ASCII, like Unicode, is an entirely arbitrary assignment of numbers to
glyphs. You might just as well say that choosing to use the Roman
alphabet makes it "no problem" to memorize the Latin names of every
species of insect found in the Greater New York area.
> I for one vote we take the final step and move towards a true standard
> numbers system. Combine the waring factions of roman and arabic and
> use hex and the worldwide standard. This would be a big step towards
I would point out that Arabic has a different set of glyphs from the
"Arabic" numerals we use. Take a look at an Arabic-numeral calculator
or clock sometime.
> instance. Really though, The Roman empire may never have fallen if
> they had joined the trojans and adopted base 16 as a symbol of peace.
The Roman empire may never have fallen if they had known about the
damaging physiological effects of lead salts.
> I strongly believe that us, readers of technical newsgroups have to
> intelligence and resourcenessfullness to band together in germany as a
Ah! While my intelligence and resourcenessfullness are beyond
question, I find myself lacking the necessary travel documents to
reunite myself with the cause celebre in Germany. Perhaps you could
organize these for me. A simple first-class ticket on Lufthansa would
suffice.
david lindauer
Vlad wrote:
> Sorry for changing the subject but what buggies me the most is the
> clock time.
> It's due to an update. Shell I say uphour ?
> Standard time, East time, West time, Central time GMT time etc. etc.
> Why not Internet time based on GMT time, Moron's time or on anything
> time but only one time all over the world ?
> Doesn't annoy you to reply to a question that was posted tomorrow,
> when you know that tomorrow was yesterday ?
>
I was thinking about that the other day. But if we used GMT time, that means I
would have to get up at 2 in the morning, and I like to sleep in!
Mark A. Odell
news:f6140900.03010...@posting.google.com:
> Why don't people use hex in everyday math?
[snip troll text]
Please don't feed the troll.
Vlad
<dlin...@notifier-is.net> wrote:
>
>
>Vlad wrote:
>
>> Sorry for changing the subject but what buggies me the most is the
>> clock time.
>> It's due to an update. Shell I say uphour ?
>> Standard time, East time, West time, Central time GMT time etc. etc.
>> Why not Internet time based on GMT time, Moron's time or on anything
>> time but only one time all over the world ?
>> Doesn't annoy you to reply to a question that was posted tomorrow,
>> when you know that tomorrow was yesterday ?
>>
>
>I was thinking about that the other day. But if we used GMT time, that means I
>would have to get up at 2 in the morning, and I like to sleep in!
Yes but the Sun will be nice and shining at that time
Nothing has to change in your daily scheduled except the clock
If you are talking or writing to some one in Europe you don't have to
say : I will see you Monday in Hong Kong at 5 PM Western chinese
time and then try find out the equivalent to the place where you are .
You just say : I will see you Monday in Hong Kong at 17 a clock
Do you know the landing time of the first astronauts in the Moon ?
What was the Moon time on that part of the Moon at that time ?
Do you know that the USSR doesn't use different zone times in theirs
train or aviation schedules ?
( I call myself Vlad because I like the late Vladimir Horowitz. I am
not russian)
Vlad
Karl Forsberg
> On 7 Jan 2003 02:22:36 -0800, James Llort wrote...
>
> What I assume (hopefully?) must have been a "troll" (or else an
> insane idea!)? Also there's no need to cross-post to irrelevent
> groups.
Zefram Cochrane
"Leon Heller" <le...@heller123.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The Babylonians used base 60, which is why we have 60 minutes in an hour,
Did they actuall have single digits representing each of all the numbers
from 0 to 59,
so that e.g. one hundred and [US:] twenty two was represented as 22 ?
Richard [in WR14]
Spehro Pefhany
China uses just one time zone for the entire country. Everything must
run on Beijing time, including their far West.
>( I call myself Vlad because I like the late Vladimir Horowitz. I am
>not russian)
Not because you like impaling things, then?
david lindauer
Vlad wrote:
<SNIP>
> >Do you know that the USSR doesn't use different zone times in theirs
> train or aviation schedules ?
>
I'm curious, does USSR have time zones for everyday use then and just not use them
in the schedules?
Thanks,
David
woosh
"John Fields" <jfi...@texas.net> wrote in message
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that. IIRC they get to 34, or thereabouts, whatever, the largest number is
represented by the penis!
Steve.
Fred Woolsey
drawers?
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Maleki
<bobk...@attbi.com> wrote in
<3E1AD781...@attbi.com> that:
>
>
>James Llort wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
>> sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
>> is extremely fast.
>
>Hex representation only makes sense in a computer context where
>quantities have a physical binary representation. If the physics of
>computers permited tri-stable elements we would be best off with a base
>that was a power of three.
>
>In any case, the representation used in no wise affects or determines
>the underlying mathematics.
>
>Bob Kolker
Russians have that. Or at one point had it. Their
computers worked on a tertiary system.
-------------------------
khiyAl mikone tA donyA donyAst zendast.
Spehro Pefhany
<male...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Russians have that. Or at one point had it. Their
>computers worked on a tertiary system.
Some high-density mask-ROM and FLASH memories store more than one bit
per cell.
Maleki
<isembard...@hotmail.com> wrote in
<9yBS9.4230$sd....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk> that:
>I think that we should adopt the Roman system of numbers.
You probably will one day, out of shear opposition to
Islam.
-------------------------
sag pAcheye sAhebesho nemigireh.
Maleki
<Vl...@bla.Bla.com> wrote in
<vq4m1vknjc1uap4fk...@4ax.com> that:
>Do you know that the USSR doesn't use different zone times in theirs
>train or aviation schedules ?
How many days do they have per week? I read somewhere
Stalin had changed 7 to 10. Is it still 10 days to a
week in Russia?
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ke bA man har che kard An AshenA kard
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Jeffrey L. Woods
james...@yahoo.com says...
Llort is Troll backwards. Why ANYONE would fall for a serious reply to
this message so soon after your last Troll (the value of a good
education) is beyond me.
Not even a very nice try, since you used the same alias, and I didn't
even bother to read the message after seeing it was from you.
Can I have these 15 seconds of my life back, please?
Richard Henry
"Maleki" <male...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:21:32 -0500, Vlad
> <Vl...@bla.Bla.com> wrote in
> <vq4m1vknjc1uap4fk...@4ax.com> that:
>
> >Do you know that the USSR doesn't use different zone times in theirs
> >train or aviation schedules ?
>
> How many days do they have per week? I read somewhere
> Stalin had changed 7 to 10. Is it still 10 days to a
> week in Russia?
>
I heard that was during the French Revolution. Renamed all the months, too,
as we still see in Lobster Thermidor.
rickman
>
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 12:50:13 -0500, david lindauer
> <dlin...@notifier-is.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Vlad wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry for changing the subject but what buggies me the most is the
> >> clock time.
> >> It's due to an update. Shell I say uphour ?
> >> Standard time, East time, West time, Central time GMT time etc. etc.
> >> Why not Internet time based on GMT time, Moron's time or on anything
> >> time but only one time all over the world ?
> >> Doesn't annoy you to reply to a question that was posted tomorrow,
> >> when you know that tomorrow was yesterday ?
> >>
> >
> >I was thinking about that the other day. But if we used GMT time, that means I
> >would have to get up at 2 in the morning, and I like to sleep in!
>
> Yes but the Sun will be nice and shining at that time
> Nothing has to change in your daily scheduled except the clock
Like, DUH! You idea would require that everyone adjust their idea of
what morning, evening and even the start of the new day is based on
which time zone they are in. If I lived in Japan I would not like the
idea of changing the date in the middle of the work day. COB takes on
an entirely new meaning! Is that COB Tuesday midnight? Or COB Tuesday 4
AM when I go home from work?
> If you are talking or writing to some one in Europe you don't have to
> say : I will see you Monday in Hong Kong at 5 PM Western chinese
> time and then try find out the equivalent to the place where you are .
>
> You just say : I will see you Monday in Hong Kong at 17 a clock
WOW! That would solve really big problems for me.
> Do you know the landing time of the first astronauts in the Moon ?
> What was the Moon time on that part of the Moon at that time ?
This is one that has kept me up at night many times.
> Do you know that the USSR doesn't use different zone times in theirs
> train or aviation schedules ?
Bet they don't use GMT either.
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"Paul Hovnanian" <paul.ho...@boeing.com> wrote in message
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> There are only 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand
> binary
> and those who don't.
Ah, but what about the people who can't tell the difference
between Hallowe'en and Xmas (because 31OCT==25DEC) ?
Richard [in WR14]
Dave Holford
>
> > Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
> > sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
>
Why not? Both my Grandmothers could do mental Hex without even knowing
what it was called; and I imagine their Grandmothers and your's could
too.
Dave
Paul Hovnanian
>
[snip]
.
>
> You will observe that nature has specialized the mathematical
> abilities of its creations by providing each with specific calculating
> organs. A chicken, for instance, has only four discernible toes per
> foot, and two wings. However, each foot has a separate toe facing
> backwards, and three toes facing forwards. The erudite
> chicken-observer will note that the rearward claw is a sign bit, the
> three forward-facing claws are data bits, and the wing positions are
> used to signal arithmetical operations. To wit, both wings
> outstretched horizontally denotes a subtraction operation, both wings
> held at a 45 degree downward angle denotes addition, and wings furled
> by the side of the chicken indicate no-op (simple data storage for use
> in a future calculation).
>
> Clearly, the lone chicken is not intended to perform any vast
> calcualation. This beast was designed to operate in large arithmetical
> flocks, roaming and calculating across the countryside, and
> communicating with a simple, audible, staccato binary code. The
> chicken is unquestionably to mathematics what the ant is to civil
> engineering.
So is a snake purely analog? And are snakes linear or logarithmic (like
a slide rule)?
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Tom MacIntyre
<dlin...@notifier-is.net> wrote:
>
>
>James Llort wrote:
>
>>
>
><snip>
>
>> JOIN THE HEXIANS!!!
>>
>
>Alas, my plans for world conquest using the base 21 system (because there
>are 20 digits on a body plus the nose) are facing serious competition!
>
>David
20 digits plus the nose is Base 22, and some versions of that result
in getting arrested for indecent exposure... :-)
Tom
Tom MacIntyre
wrote:
>On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:58:53 -0500, david lindauer
><dlin...@notifier-is.net> wrote:
>
>>Alas, my plans for world conquest using the base 21 system (because there
>>are 20 digits on a body plus the nose) are facing serious competition!
>---
>_21_ plus the nose on the male human.
And that would be Base 23... :-)
Tom
Alex Colvin
>sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
hey, we're still working on converting to the decimal metric system.
--
mac the naïf
John Woodgate
wrote (in <f6140900.03010...@posting.google.com>) about
'Decimial has set progress back -> Help spread the use of Hex!', on Tue,
7 Jan 2003:
>Why don't people use hex in everyday math?
Because 12 is a better base than 16 if we ever changed. 16 divides only
by 2, 4 and 8, whereas 12 divides by 2, 3, 4 and 6. It doesn't get any
better until you get to 60, which divides by 5, 10, 15, 20 and 30 as
well. The Babylonians counted in 60s, but they had 5 slaves for every
free citizen, so they had more fingers to count on.
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John Woodgate
<sbowrin...@mpc-data.co.uk> wrote (in <fobjevatzcpqngnpbhx.h8cukw5.
pminews@news-ogw>) about 'Decimial has set progress back -> Help spread
the use of Hex!', on Tue, 7 Jan 2003:
>insane idea!)? Also there's no need to cross-post to irrelevent
>groups.
He IS a troll. Reverse his 'surname'.
John Woodgate
<jona...@oxfordbromley.u-net.com> wrote (in <avejrv$f7g$1$8300dec7@news
.demon.co.uk>) about 'Decimial has set progress back -> Help spread the
use of Hex!', on Tue, 7 Jan 2003:
Spam is always pinkware. Unless fried in batter.
Lady Veteran
>Hello Everyone,
>
>Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
>sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
>is extremely fast. The only reason we use decmial is for legacy
>reasons. Sure, the majority of people have ten fingers / toes, but
>basing our entire default number system on that is horribly offending
>thoses without the prereuqiesit number of digits. That's besides the
>point though. If we were brought up on hexadecimial instead of
>decmial, just think how easier life would be! No having to change the
>default radix on out Zilog assembler. No trouble converting to binary
>and back. No problems memorising ASCII codes.
>
>I for one vote we take the final step and move towards a true standard
>numbers system. Combine the waring factions of roman and arabic and
>use hex and the worldwide standard. This would be a big step towards
>settleting the differences between that idiot bush and italy for
>instance. Really though, The Roman empire may never have fallen if
>they had joined the trojans and adopted base 16 as a symbol of peace.
>Just think of the economic benefits this may have today!
>
>I strongly believe that us, readers of technical newsgroups have to
>intelligence and resourcenessfullness to band together in germany as a
>bastion of hex, and gradually take over companies that refuse to
>follow us. I of couse would be leader and you my loyal followers but
>as hexians we would truly suceed! We would rule with an steel fist!
>
>Finally news2020 I will make you a deal. Help me with my plan to
>spread the use of base 16 and I will turn the radiation off. Now,
>after we spread base 16 universally we will abolish the MSCE. It is
>the biggest cause of suffering in the world, short of famine, disease
>and n*sync. I will take over microsoft and bill gates will be my
>hiouse cleaner.
>
>JOIN THE HEXIANS!!!
>
>James Llort
What does hexians think of fat smelly boar sucking lesbianism?
LV
Lady Veteran
------------------------------------
"I sucked a crank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and boars stank..."
-Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Lesbians
-------------------------------------------------
The common excuse of those who take away my donuts
is that they desire their good but I know they just
want that creamy center. Which reminds me I have to
go suck on a boar.
- Luc de Clapiers de Vauvenargues 1715 - 1747
----------------------------------------------------
Women show their character in nothing more clearly
than by what they think drinkable. Boar semen being
a perfect example.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe 1749 - 1834
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and
won't approve of drinking creamy boar semen.
- Sir Winston Spencer Churchill
----------------------------------------------
John Woodgate
<paul.ho...@boeing.com> wrote (in <3E1B4BE3...@boeing.com>)
about 'Decimial has set progress back -> Help spread the use of Hex!',
on Tue, 7 Jan 2003:
>So is a snake purely analog? And are snakes linear or logarithmic (like
>a slide rule)?
They are linear. Adders cannot multiply unless they have access to
picnic areas with log tables.
klmok
wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
>Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
>sense.
So did the New Math of the 70s that they tried to force into the
schools system as the cure for the lack of math skills in schools.
After a decade's effort the educational authorities had to admit that
children and therefore people were born wired to think decimal and
that traditional methods work best. Traditional methods evolved
through long experience, not theory. The Darwin principle must have
worked because it is still around despite many efforts including your
HEX system to improve things math.
Tom MacIntyre
<j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
>I read in sci.electronics.design that Paul Hovnanian
><paul.ho...@boeing.com> wrote (in <3E1B4BE3...@boeing.com>)
>about 'Decimial has set progress back -> Help spread the use of Hex!',
>on Tue, 7 Jan 2003:
>
>>So is a snake purely analog? And are snakes linear or logarithmic (like
>>a slide rule)?
>
>They are linear. Adders cannot multiply unless they have access to
>picnic areas with log tables.
This is one of those times when crossposting is not so bad... :-)
I am loving the fact that some of my intentional posts are going
hither and yon...John?
Tom
Tom MacIntyre
That wasn't the point...decimal works (we have 10 fingers, and I can
get into any kind of bad language with or without them... :-), but
computers can't handle it. It IS that simple. Most of us who have to
deal with the other systems have survived, and if you didn't,
well...learn, or...not. Let your kids or other relatives help you with
the conversions involved. If they don't...cut them out of the will!!
:-)
It really isn't that hard, when necessary...check out the plane that
had to land at Gimli Manitoba one time...man has to learn...computer
has to be programmed...AFTER man has learned...the computer is stupid
from the start. :-(
Tom
Ben Bradley
In
sci.electronics.design,alt.certification.mcse,sci.physics,soc.support.fat-acceptance,comp.arch.embedded,
james...@yahoo.com (James Llort) wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
> ...
>Finally news2020 I will make you a deal.
OMG, the trolls are joining forces... Usenet is doomed.
They should both go to the doctor and receive digital examinations.
Greg
"rickman" <spamgo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3E1B4952...@yahoo.com...
Right, because there is no USSR anymore.
Greg
Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
> > Clearly, the lone chicken is not intended to perform any vast
> > calcualation. This beast was designed to operate in large arithmetical
>
> So is a snake purely analog? And are snakes linear or logarithmic (like
> a slide rule)?
I believe it depends on the snake. The coral snake, for instance, was
designed to be a color test pattern while Nature was deciding which
animals needed color vision and which ones didn't.
Meindert Sprang
news:608b6569.03010...@posting.google.com...
> Which ought to make us able to count to at least 1 048 575 (in bare
> feet), and I for one bitterly regret the retrograde evolutionary step
> that denied homo sapiens a tail - clearly, nature's sign bit.
Mmmm.. I have to disagree with you Lewin, I do have a sign bit. OTOH, my
wife doesn't....
Meindert
Jonathan Kirwan
Uh, and positive is indicated by ...?
Jon
Al Borowski
> Hello Everyone,
Hello nutcase troll,
>
> Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
> sense. It's far more efficent, requires less concentration to use and
> is extremely fast. The only reason we use decmial is for legacy
> reasons.
Aren't good trolls supposed to be subtle?
>Sure, the majority of people have ten fingers / toes, but
> basing our entire default number system on that is horribly offending
> thoses without the prereuqiesit number of digits.
What percantage of the population is this?
> That's besides the
> point though. If we were brought up on hexadecimial instead of
> decmial, just think how easier life would be! No having to change the
> default radix on out Zilog assembler. No trouble converting to binary
> and back.
Yes, it may make lifer easier for engineers, programmers and students.
I doubt there's enough of us to convince the rest of the world though.
> No problems memorising ASCII codes.
ASCII is totally arbitary.
<snip beginnig of bizarre rant>
>This would be a big step towards
> settleting the differences between that idiot bush and italy for
> instance.
tensions between america and italy? Do tell.
>Really though, The Roman empire may never have fallen if
> they had joined the trojans and adopted base 16 as a symbol of peace.
You are thinking of the *greeks*. They were at war with the trojans.
> Just think of the economic benefits this may have today!
such as...?
>
> I strongly believe that us, readers of technical newsgroups have to
> intelligence and resourcenessfullness to band together in germany as a
> bastion of hex, and gradually take over companies that refuse to
> follow us. I of couse would be leader and you my loyal followers but
> as hexians we would truly suceed!
You are a nut. Or a troll. I'm guessing both.
>We would rule with an steel fist!
It's *iron* fist.
>
> Finally news2020 I will make you a deal. Help me with my plan to
> spread the use of base 16 and I will turn the radiation off.
that's just plain cruel.
<snip manacial ravings>
> JOIN THE HEXIANS!!!
Please grow up. This is the most blatent troll I've seen in a while.
>
> James Llort
Llort. Ahh, now I geddit. I should have seen that. *shakes head*
Meindert Sprang
news:fhqn1vg5kfrvmr3pj...@4ax.com...
Well, that is a matter of perspective.... From my point of view, positive is
always indicated by setting this bit. But the perspective of my wife varies
a bit.....
Meindert
Mark Piffer
wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
[...]
>Really though, The Roman empire may never have fallen if
>they had joined the trojans and adopted base 16 as a symbol of peace.
>Just think of the economic benefits this may have today!
[...]
>James Llort
IIRC the roman empire fell to its' unability to represent the number
zero - thus they never knew if their C-programs terminated correctly.
Mark
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Leon Heller
"Zefram Cochrane" <b@b.b> wrote in message
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>
> "Leon Heller" <le...@heller123.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:aveurv$71o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > The Babylonians used base 60, which is why we have 60 minutes in an
hour,
>
> Did they actuall have single digits representing each of all the numbers
> from 0 to 59,
> so that e.g. one hundred and [US:] twenty two was represented as 22 ?
I haven't a clue. 8-)
There should be some stuff on this somewhere on the web. Their arithmetic
was probably very awkward, like the Roman system. Maybe they had long
abacuses (abaci?).
Leon
--
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Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
> > feet), and I for one bitterly regret the retrograde evolutionary step
> > that denied homo sapiens a tail - clearly, nature's sign bit.
>
> Mmmm.. I have to disagree with you Lewin, I do have a sign bit. OTOH, my
> wife doesn't....
Ah no... The tail is muscular, and under voluntary control. What you
believe to be a sign bit is in fact an enunciator indicating that some
kind of purge is necessary.
PS: My wife has two semi-programmable bits, and one of those could be
used for sign and the other for overflow/underflow. But I think this
thread is getting out of hand ;)
John Fields
wrote:
>What does hexians think of fat smelly boar sucking lesbianism?
What _do_ hexians....
If you're going to post at all, at _least_ be polite enough to use
the language properly.
--
John Fields
Professional circuit designer
http://www.austininstruments.com
Meindert Sprang
news:608b6569.03010...@posting.google.com...
>
> believe to be a sign bit is in fact an enunciator indicating that some
> kind of purge is necessary.
>
> PS: My wife has two semi-programmable bits, and one of those could be
> used for sign and the other for overflow/underflow. But I think this
> thread is getting out of hand ;)
Well you know what they say: a dirty mind is a joy forever...
Meindert
Vadim Borshchev
> How many days do they have per week? I read somewhere
> Stalin had changed 7 to 10. Is it still 10 days to a
> week in Russia?
Yes, still 10. And bears walking across the Red Square in Moscow...
Vadim
Zefram Cochrane
"Meindert Sprang" <mhsp...@NOcustomSPAMware.nl> wrote in message
news:3e1bde07
> Mmmm.. I have to disagree with you Lewin, I do have a sign bit. OTOH, my
> wife doesn't....
If you just stick your rightmost finger up, that's binary 1, but if you
invoke
the sign bit as well, is that "-1" (10 bits + sign) or -1023 (two's compl) ?
Richard [in WR14]
Maleki
<vadim.b...@picsel.com> wrote in
<3E1C72E7...@picsel.com> that:
Are your computers still architectured on tertiary
basis rather than binary? :)
-------------------------
_gorize_ be hoseyn va AshurAye hoseyn sonnati sakht
amigh va besyAr porma'ni va shAyesteye ta'ammol
ast. har lahzeh rA bAyad be dAstAne 'u peyvand
dAd. har ruz rA bAyad be AshurA peyvast, hameye
mAh-hA rA be moharram, hameye noghtehAye zamin rA
be An gusheye sorkh. az harche matrah ast, towhid,
maz-hab, ghor'An, mohammad, ali, hajj, ebAdat,
falsafeh, erfAn, eshgh, imAn, shAdi, gham, ..., az
har aghide'i har sonnati, har mas'ale'i har rasmi,
az har bo'di az ab'Ade zendegi, ejtemA', tArikh,
akhlAgh, ruh, va az harke va harche, bAyad be
hoseyn va AshurAye hoseyn "goriz" zad.
bAyad be dAstAne 'u peyvand khord. vagarnah
mojarrad va motlaghim. vagarnah mobham va
bisamarim. mehvare harche ke hast amale 'ust.
"Ali Shari'ati"
Spehro Pefhany
A.R.W. Edwards) wrote:
Well, be sure to adhere to a standard such as IEEE 754-1985, I've
heard of some such systems in which those bits were inverted.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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John Woodgate
wrote (in <pmlp1v48f18k1f9he...@4ax.com>) about 'Decimial
has set progress back -> Help spread the use of Hex!', on Wed, 8 Jan
2003:
>Are your computers still architectured on tertiary
>basis rather than binary? :)
The word is 'ternary', not 'tertiary'. The optimum base for computing is
'e', but I don't think anyone knows how to implement that. 3 is closer
to 'e' than 2 is.
Maleki
<j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in
<igcd+QA6...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> that:
>I read in sci.electronics.design that Maleki <male...@hotmail.com>
>wrote (in <pmlp1v48f18k1f9he...@4ax.com>) about 'Decimial
>has set progress back -> Help spread the use of Hex!', on Wed, 8 Jan
>2003:
>>Are your computers still architectured on tertiary
>>basis rather than binary? :)
>
>The word is 'ternary', not 'tertiary'. The optimum base for computing is
>'e', but I don't think anyone knows how to implement that. 3 is closer
>to 'e' than 2 is.
Ahh I knew the word was something else :) Honest. I
just couldn't remember it and used the closest term
that came to my mind. Ternary it is indeed, and last
and first time I took a look at that word was in late
1970s. One look there and nothing after that. It was a
passage that explained and compared benefits of
calculations using ternaries compared to binaries.
-------------------------
boze gar az sare cheshmeh Ab mikhoreh.
Jim Deutch
>
>"Paul Hovnanian" <paul.ho...@boeing.com> wrote in message
>news:3E1AEDD1...@boeing.com...
>> There are only 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand
>> binary
>> and those who don't.
>
>Ah, but what about the people who can't tell the difference
>between Hallowe'en and Xmas (because 31OCT==25DEC) ?
Number bases are an invention of the devil. The 25th of December is
obviously the 86th of October, not the 31st.
Jim Deutch
--
"why was I pissed at *you*?"
david lindauer
Jim Deutch wrote:
yeah but if you take the abbreviation 'OCT' to mean octal, and the
abbreviation 'DEC' to mean decimal, see what you get?
David
Rich Grise
I bet your wife has a different use for your other hand! %-}
K'plaqh!
Rich
Jan-Hinnerk Reichert
> I think that we should adopt the Roman system of numbers. Much favoured by
> clock makers, and Intel as far as the Pentium III processor. No more
> problems trying to read the copyright date at the end of movies. And
> dosen't offend anyone, no matter how many digits they have.
>
> Have a happy MMIII
>
> Mike Turner
> born VI March MCMLXIII
I'm looking forward to Roman phone numbers, e.g. 30 ;-)
Jan-Hinnerk
Keith R. Williams
jki...@easystreet.com says...
A wink and a smile.
----
Keith
Keith R. Williams
kl...@shaw.ca says...
> >sense.
>
> schools system as the cure for the lack of math skills in schools.
Err, it was the *early* 60s. ...done that. It worked. New math
was a success. Though they gave it up about the same time they
gave up phonics. Our schools are doing *so* well now.
Sheesh, when I was in high school ('68) the argument was whether
high school students could learn to program computers. At the
time "Computer Science" was in the graduate college. I guess
your answer is "no", it's impossible.
> After a decade's effort the educational authorities had to admit that
> children and therefore people were born wired to think decimal and
> that traditional methods work best.
Horse-hockey! I was taught to do arithmetic in bases from 2 to
32 (characters above got in the way of the program) in
fifth/sixth grade. The idea was to show that there was nothing
special about base-10 and that numbers were merely
representations of thought. I see nothing wrong with this. Many
parents did. My father had no clue about this "newfangled"
stuff, but knew it was a goodness. He was an EE Prof., though
taught power systems/motors/transformers.
> Traditional methods evolved through long experience, not theory.
Horse-hockey. Just because stupid parents can't grasp advanced
concepts isn't a reason not to teach them. Of course we now
teach nothing, so you dullards have apparently won the argument.
> The Darwin principle must have
> worked because it is still around despite many efforts including your
> HEX system to improve things math.
Sure. Keep thinking that.
----
Keith
Andre
> "g0mem" <isembard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9yBS9.4230$sd....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> > "James Llort" <james...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:f6140900.03010...@posting.google.com...
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > Why don't people use hex in everyday math? Logically it makes more
> > > is extremely fast. The only reason we use decmial is for legacy
> > > basing our entire default number system on that is horribly offending
> > > point though. If we were brought up on hexadecimial instead of
> > > decmial, just think how easier life would be! No having to change the
> > > default radix on out Zilog assembler. No trouble converting to binary
> >
> > I think that we should adopt the Roman system of numbers. Much favoured by
> > clock makers, and Intel as far as the Pentium III processor. No more
> > problems trying to read the copyright date at the end of movies. And
> dosen't
> > offend anyone, no matter how many digits they have.
> >
> > Have a happy MMIII
> >
> > Mike Turner
> > born VI March MCMLXIII
>
> page including a handy Roman Javascript calculator:-
>
> http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/roman.html
LOL!
-A
www.cwgsy.net/private/mandoline
>
> Mike Turner
> G0MEM
Rick Merrill
> "Zefram Cochrane" <b@b.b> wrote in message
> news:3e1b19b3$1...@news.teranews.com...
>
>>"Leon Heller" <le...@heller123.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:aveurv$71o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>>
>>>The Babylonians used base 60, which is why we have 60 minutes in an
>>
> hour,
>
>>from 0 to 59,
>>so that e.g. one hundred and [US:] twenty two was represented as 22 ?
Yes, they introduced "arabic" numerals to the rest of the world.
RM