More Vista Woes
Martin Brown
a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
The update finished and upon reboot it generated a genuine BSOD
sysnurdle error message screen which persisted for all of 200ms before
the machine spontaneously switched itself off with a loud click (not
enough time to read it and barely enough time even to recognise what it
was). Blink and you would have missed it entirely.
After that nothing worked - the repair functions basic and advanced
diagnostics could see the previous known good configurations but were
unable to finalise them even given several hours trying. It got stuck in
some kind of verification loop. The first serious attempt to boot after
that failed whilst it was checking modules with about 3300/68990
displayed on the screen when it went click and switched off. Then it got
even worse and stuck at 667/68990 but now it did not instantly switch
off so it was possible to write down the error message for all the good
that does:
!! 0xc0000034 !! 667/68990 (qwave.dll)
The display appeared to be refreshing this text at glacial speed.
Hardware testing with Vista not loaded shows nothing wrong.
I finally lost patience this morning and trashed the whole thing back
into working with the master install disk. Thank heavens for backups.
Their lame slogan "Working just got more fun" really grated.
I wonder how long it will last this time...
Regards,
Martin Brown
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Don't use Vista!
I've got a new quad core machine and used my old copy of XP.
Why would *anyone* want Vista?
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Eeyore
Martin Brown wrote:
What ON EARTH are you doing using Vista ?
Graham
Eeyore
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> Why would *anyone* want Vista?
For the headache and the cost of upgrading hardware plus borked code maybe ?
Graham
Martin Brown
>
> Martin Brown wrote:
>
>> Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
>> a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
>>
>> The update finished and upon reboot it generated a genuine BSOD
>> sysnurdle error message screen which persisted for all of 200ms before
>> the machine spontaneously switched itself off with a loud click
[snip]
>>
>> Hardware testing with Vista not loaded shows nothing wrong.
>>
>> I finally lost patience this morning and trashed the whole thing back
>> into working with the master install disk. Thank heavens for backups.
>>
>> Their lame slogan "Working just got more fun" really grated.
>>
>> I wonder how long it will last this time...
>
> What ON EARTH are you doing using Vista ?
Unfortunately I have clients that insist on running my software on Vista
machines. I have to test for compatibility although I strongly
discourage them from using either Vista or worse still XL2007.
The customer is always right or words to that effect. I particularly
liked the cartoon with a lad part way through sign writing this slogan
onto a shop window when a little old lady comes up to him and says:
"There are two m's in 'custommer' young man".
A bit like the vice president so dumb he put the "e" into potato.
Martin Brown
wrote:
> Martin Brown wrote:
> > Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
> > a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
>
>
> > I wonder how long it will last this time...
>
Oh! I agree. Unfortunately some of my customers insist on it :(
Many corporates I know are staying with XP.
> I've got a new quad core machine and used my old copy of XP.
> Why would *anyone* want Vista?
I have absolutely no idea. I posted this as a cautionary tale. I
suspect that there is some diabolical interaction between the Vista
drivers and Toshiba portables far too clever for their own good power
saving hardware features.
I use Vista on one sacrificial new machine for testing purpose only.
Even with light use Vista dies with monotonous regularity (twice
fatally in 6 months from new).
Regards,
Martin Brown
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
For those who like the look of Vista, Vistamizer
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Enhancements/Themes/VistaMizer.shtml
I have it on my XP machine to pretty it up a bit. No problems.
MooseFET
wrote:
> Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
Get a LiveCD Linux such as Puppy-4 and a USB external hard disk that
is bigger than the disk in the machine. You can use "gparted" to make
a bit for bit copy of the hard disk in the Vista machine.
When you have a bit for bit copy made, you and write it back in every
time the Vista mungs its self. If you buy a really big disk, you can
make copies of various situations of Vista. This way you can test
with and without some of the service packs etc.
If you are making software that runs on a windows machine, you should
have an extra step in the install. It is worth making a file such as
install-conditions.txt that lists the DLLs etc that are installed at
the time of install. This can help in trouble shooting.
Frank Buss
> !! 0xc0000034 !! 667/68990 (qwave.dll)
qWAVE is the "Quality Windows Audio/Video Experience" :-)
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa374110(VS.85).aspx
Maybe your graphics or sound driver of your laptop have bugs? My Vista
installation works great: no crashes since I changed an old serial USB
adapter by another model, which caused some blue screens.
--
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> Martin Brown wrote:
>
>> !! 0xc0000034 !! 667/68990 (qwave.dll)
>
> qWAVE is the "Quality Windows Audio/Video Experience" :-)
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa374110(VS.85).aspx
>
> Maybe your graphics or sound driver of your laptop have bugs? My Vista
> installation works great: no crashes since I changed an old serial USB
> adapter by another model, which caused some blue screens.
>
Wasn't Vista supposed to cure the "blue screen on every trivial fault"
problem?
m...@privacy.net
Martin Brown wrote:
>A bit like the vice president so dumb he put the "e" into potato.
Dan Quayle was at the Luis Munoz Rivera School in Trenton,
New Jersey. He participated in a spelling bee by asking
students to spell words on the blackboard, based on some
flash cards he had been given. One of the flash cards had
the word "potatoe" on it. Quayle paused and showed the
card to some of the teachers. They told him that the
card was correct. The student spelled the word correctly,
but Quayle said "almost," and so the student added the "e"
to the end of the word. Everyone then applauded. Sometimes
you look at a word and for some reason it just doesn't look
right. Now, imagine you are given a flash card at a school,
You come to a word that looks like it is misspelled. Do you
question the teachers in front of the class and the media,
risking ridicule if you are wrong? Or do you say to yourself
"Hmmm...this doesn't look quite right, but it must be..."
Or maybe you don't even think about error checking the cards
and are just reading what is in front of you while thinking
about something else. Clearly Quayle was uncomfortable with
the card, or he wouldn't have shown it to the teachers, but
he decided to trust what he the incorrect written material
provided by the school.
I wonder how "dumb" you would be in that situation.
donald
> Martin Brown wrote:
>
>> !! 0xc0000034 !! 667/68990 (qwave.dll)
>
> qWAVE is the "Quality Windows Audio/Video Experience" :-)
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa374110(VS.85).aspx
>
> Maybe your graphics or sound driver of your laptop have bugs? My Vista
> installation works great: no crashes since I changed an old serial USB
> adapter by another model, which caused some blue screens.
>
All those manufactures that have made software for every other version
of windoze have forgoten how to write and test software.
Glad you straighten this out.
donald
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I questioned what my teachers said fairly often. I found a lot of
mistakes in their lesson plans, and in some textbooks. Some had been in
use over 20 years, and no one had caught them. It gave me a reputation
of being a troublemaker, and more than once I was asked to go to the
front of the classroom and finish the lesson.
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Paul Hovnanian P.E. <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>The kernel must have executed that HCF opcode (Halt and Catch Fire).
Could have been worse. The EOI opcode (Execute Operator Immediate)
is usually considered to be nastier.
I did once include an HCF instruction in a machine-level simulator I
wrote (IBM 360 emulation - our school's Advanced Assembly Language
class ended up using it in preference to the real 360/30 on campus).
An HCF would cause the simulator to print a diagnostic ("It's now
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Eeyore
Martin Brown wrote:
Microsoft have utterly lost the plot.
Graham
Eeyore
Martin Brown wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > Martin Brown wrote:
> >
> >> Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
> >> a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
> >>
> >> The update finished and upon reboot it generated a genuine BSOD
> >> sysnurdle error message screen which persisted for all of 200ms before
> >> the machine spontaneously switched itself off with a loud click
>
> [snip]
> >>
> >> Hardware testing with Vista not loaded shows nothing wrong.
> >>
> >> I finally lost patience this morning and trashed the whole thing back
> >> into working with the master install disk. Thank heavens for backups.
> >>
> >> Their lame slogan "Working just got more fun" really grated.
> >>
> >> I wonder how long it will last this time...
> >
> > What ON EARTH are you doing using Vista ?
>
> Unfortunately I have clients that insist on running my software on Vista
> machines. I have to test for compatibility although I strongly
> discourage them from using either Vista or worse still XL2007.
What's worse about it ?
> The customer is always right or words to that effect. I particularly
> liked the cartoon with a lad part way through sign writing this slogan
> onto a shop window when a little old lady comes up to him and says:
> "There are two m's in 'custommer' young man".
>
> A bit like the vice president so dumb he put the "e" into potato.
There's two many of those ! ;~)
Graham
Eeyore
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
When I was doing electronics at college, the lecturer would goof up every so
often and I'd have to correct him.
Fortunately he was sensible and we developed an act where I'd catch his
attention and he'd say " I think Graham has something to add about this " or
words to that effect. Amusing. We developed a good relationship actually.
Graham
Eeyore
MooseFET wrote:
> Martin Brown wrote:
> > Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
>
> Get a LiveCD Linux such as Puppy-4 and a USB external hard disk that
> is bigger than the disk in the machine. You can use "gparted" to make
> a bit for bit copy of the hard disk in the Vista machine.
>
> When you have a bit for bit copy made, you and write it back in every
> time the Vista mungs its self. If you buy a really big disk, you can
> make copies of various situations of Vista. This way you can test
> with and without some of the service packs etc.
Interesting point. I've always waited for SP2 to be out and good reports come
in before changing versions.
Graham
Rich Grise
> Martin Brown wrote:
>
>>A bit like the vice president so dumb he put the "e" into potato.
>
> Dan Quayle was at the Luis Munoz Rivera School in Trenton,
> New Jersey. He participated in a spelling bee by asking
> students to spell words on the blackboard, based on some
> flash cards he had been given. One of the flash cards had
> the word "potatoe" on it. Quayle paused and showed the
> card to some of the teachers. They told him that the
> card was correct. The student spelled the word correctly,
> but Quayle said "almost," and so the student added the "e"
> to the end of the word. Everyone then applauded. Sometimes
> you look at a word and for some reason it just doesn't look
> right. Now, imagine you are given a flash card at a school,
> You come to a word that looks like it is misspelled. Do you
> question the teachers in front of the class and the media,
> risking ridicule if you are wrong? Or do you say to yourself
> "Hmmm...this doesn't look quite right, but it must be..."
If you know, and know that you know, then speak up. In fact,
if he had had a clue, he should have raised a holy stink about it -
"Flash cards with misspelled words? In a _SCHOOL_?????!!!!"
I was in a spelling contest once, and my word was "Vile, as in
he has a vile temper." (well, that's what the teacher said.) Of
course, I spelled it V-I-L-E. They said, "Wrong". I said, "What?"
I caught the judges' attention (the students weren't allowed to
talk) and one of them clued up and said, "Can we check the definition
of that last one?" and somebody said, "vial, a small container." Of
course, I knew that one as well.
This was in the late 1950's - evidently, the dumbing-down
of the schools had already begun.
Thanks,
Rich
mpm
wrote:
> Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
> a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
For the most part, I try to turn off anything and everything that auto-
updates. (Even those that ask my permission first.) Whether that be
the operating system, or any programs that periodically surf the net
for updates.
I may miss out on the latest and greatest, but I find my downtime to
be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced. FWIW.
-mpm
HiggsField
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
>a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
There is no way that it wasn't something *you* did. Also, if it is
"beyond repair", then send it to me.
Turn the memory setting back down,and any other tweaks you have in
place. Windows' memory testing at boot is likely seeing reflections.
Turn the BIOS system speed(s) down and work back up AFTER you are booted.
Or, you could put a Knoppix disc in, and burn off some archival data,
and then re-format the entire drive and re-load the OS(es) of choice, and
applications, etc. Broken beyond repair? I find that hard to believe.
Baloney. Put a new drive in. Nicer, faster drives are everywhere now,
dirt cheap.
I think you have problems with your systems, because *you* pull things
as if you know what is going on (as in tweak), and when it breaks, you
blame Bill. Ever think it could be you?
Didi
wrote:
> Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
> a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
"The Microsoft vacuum cleaner - the only MS product which does
not suck" ....
Cheers,
Didi
Eeyore
HiggsField wrote:
Why would it choose to break during an 'upgrade' then ?
Graham
Eeyore
mpm wrote:
Likewise. Very stable.
Graham
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> In article <48E656D7...@hovnanian.com>,
> Paul Hovnanian P.E. <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
> >The kernel must have executed that HCF opcode (Halt and Catch Fire).
>
> Could have been worse. The EOI opcode (Execute Operator Immediate)
> is usually considered to be nastier.
That reminds me, how is Skybuck's PC project coming?
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Eeyore
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:
> Dave Platt wrote:
> > Paul Hovnanian P.E. <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> >
> > >The kernel must have executed that HCF opcode (Halt and Catch Fire).
> >
> > Could have been worse. The EOI opcode (Execute Operator Immediate)
> > is usually considered to be nastier.
>
> That reminds me, how is Skybuck's PC project coming?
< chokes with laughter >
I wonder if he's learnt not to wear any synthetic clothing yet ? Or
discovered about ESD mats and wrist straps.
Graham
BobW
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote in message
news:48E6EFE0...@hovnanian.com...
> Dave Platt wrote:
>>
>> In article <48E656D7...@hovnanian.com>,
>> Paul Hovnanian P.E. <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The kernel must have executed that HCF opcode (Halt and Catch Fire).
>>
>> Could have been worse. The EOI opcode (Execute Operator Immediate)
>> is usually considered to be nastier.
>
> That reminds me, how is Skybuck's PC project coming?
>
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That made me laugh out loud, Paul. Thanks.
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Robert Baer
> Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
> a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
>
> sysnurdle error message screen which persisted for all of 200ms before
> enough time to read it and barely enough time even to recognise what it
> was). Blink and you would have missed it entirely.
>
> After that nothing worked - the repair functions basic and advanced
> diagnostics could see the previous known good configurations but were
> unable to finalise them even given several hours trying. It got stuck in
> some kind of verification loop. The first serious attempt to boot after
> that failed whilst it was checking modules with about 3300/68990
> displayed on the screen when it went click and switched off. Then it got
> even worse and stuck at 667/68990 but now it did not instantly switch
> off so it was possible to write down the error message for all the good
> that does:
>
> !! 0xc0000034 !! 667/68990 (qwave.dll)
>
>
> Hardware testing with Vista not loaded shows nothing wrong.
>
> I finally lost patience this morning and trashed the whole thing back
> into working with the master install disk. Thank heavens for backups.
>
> Their lame slogan "Working just got more fun" really grated.
>
> I wonder how long it will last this time...
>
Didi
> Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
> a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
"The Microsoft vacuum cleaner - the only MS product that does not
suck"...
:-)
Didi
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Guy Macon
HiggsField wrote:
>
>Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
>>a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
>
> There is no way that it wasn't something *you* did.
> I think you have problems with your systems, because *you* pull things
>as if you know what is going on (as in tweak), and when it breaks, you
>blame Bill. Ever think it could be you?
Interesting. The exact same opinion is found here:
|
| FOCUS Magazine Interview with Bill Gates:
| Microsoft Code Has No Bugs (that Microsoft cares about)
|
| In this interview, Big Bill gets distracted and reveals his contempt for
| you, his loyal customer.
|
| In an interview for German weekly magazine FOCUS (nr.43, October 23,1995,
| pages 206-212), Microsoft`s Mr. Bill Gates has made some statements about
| software quality of MS products. [See executive summary, below.] After
| lengthy inquiries about how PCs should and could be used (including some
| angry comments on some questions which Mr. Gates evidently did not like),
| the interviewer comes to storage requirements of MS products; it ends
| with the following dispute:
|
| FOCUS:
| Every new release of a software which has less bugs than the older one
| is also more complex and has more features...
|
| Gates:
| No, only if that is what'll sell!
|
| FOCUS:
| But...
|
| Gates:
| Only if that is what'll sell! We've never done a piece of software
| unless we thought it would sell. That's why everything we do in software
| ... it's really amazing: We do it because we think that's what customers
| want. That's why we do what we do.
|
| FOCUS:
| But on the other hand - you would say: Okay, folks, if you don't like
| these new features, stay with the old version, and keep the bugs?
|
| Gates:
| No! We have lots and lots of competitors. The new version - it's not
| there to fix bugs. That's not the reason we come up with a new version.
|
| FOCUS:
| But there are bugs an any version which people would really like to have
| fixed.
|
| Gates:
| No! There are no significant bugs in our released software that any
| significant number of users want fixed.
|
| FOCUS:
| Oh, my God. I always get mad at my computer if MS Word swallows the page
| numbers of a document which I printed a couple of times with page
| numbers. If I complain to anybody they say "Well, upgrade from version
| 5.11 to 6.0".
|
| Gates:
| No! If you really think there's a bug you should report a bug. Maybe
| you're not using it properly. Have you ever considered that?
|
| FOCUS:
| Yeah, I did...
|
| Gates:
| It turns out Luddites don't know how to use software properly, so you
| should look into that. -- The reason we come up with new versions is not
| to fix bugs. It's absolutely not. It's the stupidest reason to buy a new
| version I ever heard. When we do a new version we put in lots of new
| things that people are asking for. And so, in no sense, is stability a
| reason to move to a new version. It's never a reason.
|
| FOCUS:
| How come I keep being told by computer vendors "Well, we know about this
| bug, wait till the next version is there, it'll be fixed"? I hear this
| all the time. How come? If you're telling me there are no significant
| bugs in software and there is no reason to do a new version?
|
| Gates:
| No. I'm saying: We don't do a new version to fix bugs. We don't. Not
| enough people would buy it. You can take a hundred people using Microsoft
| Word. Call them up and say "Would you buy a new version because of bugs?"
| You won't get a single person to say they'd buy a new version because of
| bugs. We'd never be able to sell a release on that basis.
|
| FOCUS:
| Probably you have other contacts to your software developers. But if
| Mister Anybody, like me, calls up a store or a support line and says,
| "Hey listen, there's a bug" ... 90 percent of the time I get the answer
| "Oh, well, yeah, that's not too bad, wait to the next version and it'll
| be fixed". That's how the system works.
|
| Gates:
| Guess how much we spend on phone calls every year.
|
| FOCUS:
| Hm, a couple of million dollars?
|
| Gates:
| 500 million dollars a year. We take every one of these phone calls and
| classify them. That's the input we use to do the next version. So it's
| like the worlds biggest feedback loop. People call in - we decide what to
| do on it. Do you want to know what percentage of those phonecalls relates
| to bugs in the software? Less than one percent.
|
| FOCUS:
| So people call in to say "Hey listen, I would love to have this and that
| feature"?
|
| Gates:
| Actually, that's about five percent. Most of them call to get advice on
| how to do a certain thing with the software. That's the primary thing. We
| could have you sit and listen to these phone calls. There are millions
| and millions of them. It really isn't statistically significant. Sit in
| and listen to Win 95 calls, sit in and listen to Word calls, and wait,
| just wait for weeks and weeks for someone to call in and say "Oh, I found
| a bug in this thing". ...
|
| FOCUS:
| So where does this common feeling of frustration come from that unites
| all the PC users? Everybody experiences it every day that these things
| simply don't work like they should.
|
| Gates:
| Because it's cool. It's like, "Yeah, been there done that - oh, yeah, I
| know that bug." - I can understand that phenomenon sociologically, not
| technically.
|
|
| Executive Summary:
|
| So...
|
| * Bug reports are statistically, therefore actually, unimportant;
|
| * If you want a bug fixed, you are (by definition) in the minority;
|
| * Microsoft doesn't care about bugs because bug fixes are not a
| significant source of revenue;
|
| * If you think you found a bug, it really only means you're incompetent;
|
| * Anyway, people only complain about bugs to show how cool they are, not
| because bugs cause any real problems.
|
| Straight from the horse's mouth.
|
| http://www.cantrip.org/nobugs.html
|
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MooseFET
wrote:
> Frank Buss wrote:
> > Martin Brown wrote:
>
> >> !! 0xc0000034 !! 667/68990 (qwave.dll)
>
> > qWAVE is the "Quality Windows Audio/Video Experience" :-)
>
> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa374110(VS.85).aspx
>
> > Maybe your graphics or sound driver of your laptop have bugs? My Vista
> > installation works great: no crashes since I changed an old serial USB
> > adapter by another model, which caused some blue screens.
>
> Wasn't Vista supposed to cure the "blue screen on every trivial fault"
> problem?
For some things it is very hard to prevent the blue screen of death
because of the structure of windows. Things like the screen saver and
the RS232 code are right at the core of the kernel so that they can
control 100% of the CPU time when needed.
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
wrote:
> Buy garbage, get garbage, expect garbage results like what you have.
So, you are saying that Toshiba makes garbage laptops?
RoyLFuchs
wrote:
>For some things it is very hard to prevent the blue screen of death
>because of the structure of windows. Things like the screen saver and
>the RS232 code are right at the core of the kernel so that they can
>control 100% of the CPU time when needed.
If you still think you need an RS-232 port, you are living in the stone
age. Short of setting up a JTAG programming tool, or other such
peripheral control device, there is no need for such archaic devices on
one's system. That is why they can be 100% disabled in the BIOS setup for
ANY x86 machine I ever saw. Where have you been, idiot?
It CAN be turned off, and DOES NOT use up ANY CPU cycles if set up
properly.
Now, idiot, tell us something even more retarded than that stupid
remark was.
Also... the screen saver does NOT utilize 100% of the CPU's time
slices. Can you really be that stupid?
John Larkin
You snarl at everyone here like some junkyard dog. Why?
I have RS-232 ports on my PC's. I need them for talking to various
gadgets, some of them our own designs.
John
Guy Macon
John Larkin wrote:
>
>RoyLFuchs wrote:
>
>> If you still think you need an RS-232 port, you are living in the stone
>>age. Short of setting up a JTAG programming tool, or other such
>>peripheral control device, there is no need for such archaic devices on
>>one's system. That is why they can be 100% disabled in the BIOS setup for
>>ANY x86 machine I ever saw. Where have you been, idiot?
>>
>> It CAN be turned off, and DOES NOT use up ANY CPU cycles if set up
>>properly.
>>
>> Now, idiot, tell us something even more retarded than that stupid
>>remark was.
>
>You snarl at everyone here like some junkyard dog. Why?
>
>I have RS-232 ports on my PC's. I need them for talking to various
>gadgets, some of them our own designs.
If I didn't have an RS323 port, how would I hook up my Commodore 128?
If I didn't have my Commodore 128 hooked up, how would my
clients see me surfing the web with CP/M on the Commodore?
Gotta keep up the old mad scientist image... :)
Jamie
the other day I did a DirectLogix via serial which is rather new via
a serial cable. And there are also many other items in the plant we
use via serial.
Does that mean I'm in the stone age? I don't think so. It looks more
like you are being led by those that want you to believe this, so that
it cost less to produce a laptop and make you buy and adapter which does
not work on every thing.
P.S.
I just purchased a new Toshiba S100 S1001 just because it has a
serial port on it.
You maybe out of the loop here how ever, many of the high end work
horse laptops also have other things. Take a look at the Panasonic
Tough books. These are made for people that use a laptop for what it
should be used for, not just a portable game, video and desktop office
package machine.
RoyLFuchs
You must be unable to read. I acknowledged such devices, idiot.
I do not, however, agree that any such device uses up 100% of windows
available timeslice resources.
In other words, he's an idiot for saying it, and so are you if you
believe it.
ValleyGirl
wrote:
Today, it is PS3 via BlueTooth or WLAN, old man.
And yes... it IS a computer.
RoyLFuchs
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote:
> Does that mean I'm in the stone age? I don't think so. It looks more
>like you are being led by those that want you to believe this, so that
>it cost less to produce a laptop and make you buy and adapter which does
> not work on every thing.
You may not be in the stone age, but you are blind if you missed what I
said.
RoyLFuchs
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> P.S.
> I just purchased a new Toshiba S100 S1001 just because it has a
>serial port on it.
> You maybe out of the loop here how ever, many of the high end work
> horse laptops also have other things. Take a look at the Panasonic
>Tough books. These are made for people that use a laptop for what it
>should be used for, not just a portable game, video and desktop office
>package machine.
>
The PCs, rack PCs, and laptops I use at my work ARE the top of the line,
and you are making yet another lame attempt at singing to the choir.
I have spec'd out more jtag and console and remote interface, etc, etc
etc cables for hooking up computers to instrumentation and products in
the last month than you likely ever have.
Hell, half the connectors I have to use are over $100 each. Our stuff
has to survive at 70,000 feet where there is very little cooling air
available for thermal management. Many of our items are conduction
cooled assemblies.
P.S.
We just purchased about 100 ruggedized laptops in the last month alone.
All for contracted sales already on the books.
Then, perhaps another twenty or more for some of our new engineers to
use.
You are out of ALL of my loops, you loopy twit.
The Real Andy
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> Martin Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Ho hum. The last whizzo 1/10/08 Vista update did for my only Vista PC -
>>> a Toshiba portable. It totally destroyed itself beyond repair.
>>>
>>> The update finished and upon reboot it generated a genuine BSOD
>>> sysnurdle error message screen which persisted for all of 200ms before
>>> the machine spontaneously switched itself off with a loud click
>
>[snip]
>>>
>>> Hardware testing with Vista not loaded shows nothing wrong.
>>>
>>> I finally lost patience this morning and trashed the whole thing back
>>> into working with the master install disk. Thank heavens for backups.
>>>
>>> Their lame slogan "Working just got more fun" really grated.
>>>
>>> I wonder how long it will last this time...
>>
>> What ON EARTH are you doing using Vista ?
>
>Unfortunately I have clients that insist on running my software on Vista
>machines. I have to test for compatibility although I strongly
>discourage them from using either Vista or worse still XL2007.
Get youself a powerful XP machine with about 4g of memory, download MS
Virtual PC (free) and install Vista into a Virtual Machine. Once you
have installed it, activate it then save of a copy of the virtual hard
drive (.vhd file) and you will always have a clean copy of vista to
test with. YOu should also do this for XP and any other IS you wish to
test on. That way when shit does go wrong you can always take another
copy of the VHD and start a fresh. I also tend to make backups as I
test.
For linux, you will need VMWare, however you can get linux to work on
MS VPC if you dont mind stuffing around a bit.
>
>The customer is always right or words to that effect. I particularly
>liked the cartoon with a lad part way through sign writing this slogan
>onto a shop window when a little old lady comes up to him and says:
> "There are two m's in 'custommer' young man".
>
>A bit like the vice president so dumb he put the "e" into potato.
Yup, and vista will not go away, so we just have to deal with it the
best we can
I struck a problem the other day where I cannot install or remove any
'Windows Features' on vista, and the Microsoft response was to
reinstall vista.
The Real Andy
wrote:
>Martin Brown wrote:
>
>> !! 0xc0000034 !! 667/68990 (qwave.dll)
>
>qWAVE is the "Quality Windows Audio/Video Experience" :-)
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa374110(VS.85).aspx
>
>Maybe your graphics or sound driver of your laptop have bugs? My Vista
>installation works great: no crashes since I changed an old serial USB
>adapter by another model, which caused some blue screens.
0xc0000034 is a win32 exception code, meaning something failed to
initialize. At a really wild guess I would think that perhaps
qwave.dll is missing from your c:\windows\system32.dll.
Jamie
Blah, Blah, Blah..
Join the industrial world! You're playing with toys.
Jesus. If all you do is use your equipment as calculators I guess you
wouldn't need a real mans tool. Have you ever been told that you
come up short?
Jamie
Not that it has any relevance how ever, I have been hearing stories
from our IT department on how Vista seems to make some things disappear
after updates. And the items apparently are random.
We have very few PC's in house that actually have Vista now, IT,
has been down grading those that had Vista to XP pro.
I guess the problem isn't so much of lack of speed where they were
being used, they seem to exhibit random unwanted behavior in some of
our logging and database applications where data isn't fully log ect.
Peach Tree database seems to ring a bell as one of the troubled areas
on Vista which is suppose to be Vista ready..
Eeyore
MooseFET wrote:
<bashes head against wall>
How can they be so stupid ?
Graham
Eeyore
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
> Robert Baer wrote:
>
> > Buy garbage, get garbage, expect garbage results like what you have.
>
> So, you are saying that Toshiba makes garbage laptops?
I do believe he was saying Microsnot know exactly how to F*** up an operating
system better than anyone else.
Maybe they should advertise this expertise of theirs on the box ?
Graham
Robert Baer
Micro$uck makes garbage...
The Great Attractor
<there...@nospam.com> wrote:
>I fucked around and caused a problem the other day where I cannot install or remove any
>'Windows Features' on vista, and the Microsoft response was to
>reinstall vista.
ifypfy
RoyLFuchs
You're an idiot. Our gear tracks satellites at 30ips slew rates on
moving machinery/equipment/plane/trains/cars/ships/etc.
From VME to PC, the controlling equipment doesn't matter, idiot. This
is a COTS realm, and you are behind all of the curves we create.
>
> Jesus. If all you do is use your equipment as calculators
Let's see... HAIPE level IP encryption, satellite tracking,
multi-stream/multi-bus specification data management...
Yep... mostly calculations... very fast, very complex calculations.
aAlong with a lot of data handling.
In case you forgot, that is what a computer does, idiot.
> I guess you
>wouldn't need a real mans tool.
I don't. My nine inch tool qualifies as a real man's tool all day
long.
> Have you ever been told that you
>come up short?
Have you ever been told that you are guessing, little boy?
snipped retarded little boy spam link.
RoyLFuchs
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> I guess the problem isn't so much of lack of speed where they were
>being used, they seem to exhibit random unwanted behavior in some of
>our logging and database applications where data isn't fully log ect.
> Peach Tree database seems to ring a bell as one of the troubled areas
> on Vista which is suppose to be Vista ready..
Being the idiot that you are, I would say that you are so stupid, you
are likely trying to install it on mass purchased, bare bones, 5 year old
junk that barely runs XP, much less anything more powerful.
I STILL contend that dopes, even those that claim to be in IT
departments, that have problems with Vista, are dopes that create their
own operator error level faults, and are too stupid to see that it is
their own inept lack of capability that keeps them from getting anywhere.
Peach Tree, is so lame, they still think they are running as an
underlying DOS based app. I have seen a lot of "accounting" packages and
MRP packages that are so damned old when they were first authored that
the LAZY company that started them are to cheap to actually do a REAL
Windows compliant re-write, which is what they need. So sure, a modern
OS might puke a little bit on keeping a barely compliant, non-modernized
app from running all the time correctly.
Even the screen forms they present are old ASCII looking DOS app
looking stupidity. I could always tell when a company was a money
grubbing bunch of jerks, and when they had a REAL product.
Hire a REAL database guru, and PORT your stupid accounting mistake
choice to a REAL database. Stop blaming everything OLD on something NEW.
RoyLFuchs
wrote:
>StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:09:24 -0700, Robert Baer <rober...@localnet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Buy garbage, get garbage, expect garbage results like what you have.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, you are saying that Toshiba makes garbage laptops?
> Micro$uck makes garbage...
Mine works fine. Even plays both HD DVD and BluRay movies, data discs,
etc.
Today's update included new Nvidia drivers, yet it was MS that offered
the updates... Imagine that, just like Linux... single point source
updating.
Since starting with a beta that MS offered me nearly 4 years ago, I
have yet to have a problem.
My box works fine, and has a 4 year old MOBO, a 6 year old sound card,
and a two year old video card. Just watch both an HD DVD flic and a
BluRay flic to verify that my SATA multi-reader/writer works. It does.
It can also burn a DVD at 16x, which is 22MB per second constant
stream. Not bad considering that my first PC based DVD player had it's
own decoder board and was over $400, and was only 1X.
I think you children cry too much, and destiny whops you right upside da
haed with your own stupidity.
Jamie
> On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:44:06 -0400, Jamie
> <jamie_ka1lpa_not_v...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>> I guess the problem isn't so much of lack of speed where they were
>>being used, they seem to exhibit random unwanted behavior in some of
>>our logging and database applications where data isn't fully log ect.
>> Peach Tree database seems to ring a bell as one of the troubled areas
>> on Vista which is suppose to be Vista ready..
>
>
>
> Being the idiot that you are, I would say that you are so stupid, you
> are likely trying to install it on mass purchased, bare bones, 5 year old
> junk that barely runs XP, much less anything more powerful.
Did I say I was in the IT department? That goes to show just how well
you actually pay attention.
I'm fully confident that our IT techs can blow smoke around you any day.
> I STILL contend that dopes, even those that claim to be in IT
> departments, that have problems with Vista, are dopes that create their
> own operator error level faults, and are too stupid to see that it is
> their own inept lack of capability that keeps them from getting anywhere.
>
> Peach Tree, is so lame, they still think they are running as an
> underlying DOS based app. I have seen a lot of "accounting" packages and
> MRP packages that are so damned old when they were first authored that
> the LAZY company that started them are to cheap to actually do a REAL
> Windows compliant re-write, which is what they need. So sure, a modern
> OS might puke a little bit on keeping a barely compliant, non-modernized
> app from running all the time correctly.
>
> Even the screen forms they present are old ASCII looking DOS app
> looking stupidity. I could always tell when a company was a money
> grubbing bunch of jerks, and when they had a REAL product.
>
> Hire a REAL database guru, and PORT your stupid accounting mistake
> choice to a REAL database. Stop blaming everything OLD on something NEW.
Oh give me a break!...
Just for you.
"
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT
THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS. "
MooseFET
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:14:54 -0700, RoyLFuchs
>
>
>
> >On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:27:28 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >>For some things it is very hard to prevent the blue screen of death
> >>because of the structure of windows. Things like the screen saver and
> >>the RS232 code are right at the core of the kernel so that they can
> >>control 100% of the CPU time when needed.
>
> > If you still think you need an RS-232 port, you are living in the stone
> >age. Short of setting up a JTAG programming tool, or other such
> >peripheral control device, there is no need for such archaic devices on
> >one's system. That is why they can be 100% disabled in the BIOS setup for
> >ANY x86 machine I ever saw. Where have you been, idiot?
>
> > It CAN be turned off, and DOES NOT use up ANY CPU cycles if set up
> >properly.
>
> > Now, idiot, tell us something even more retarded than that stupid
> >remark was.
>
> > Also... the screen saver does NOT utilize 100% of the CPU's time
> >slices. Can you really be that stupid?
>
> You snarl at everyone here like some junkyard dog. Why?
>
> I have RS-232 ports on my PC's. I need them for talking to various
> gadgets, some of them our own designs.
I use RS-232 for lots of things too. Some of them are also of my own
design. RS-232 has the advantage that it can run through 1000 feet of
twisted pair without troubles.
I also use the LPT port to do some things. One thing that is handy is
to program CPLDs that can program via the JTAG port. With 4 resistors
and some connectors, I can build a new programming cable to work with
the PCB that has the JTAG connector wired differently.
MooseFET
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:27:28 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net>
> wrote:
>
> >For some things it is very hard to prevent the blue screen of death
> >because of the structure of windows. Things like the screen saver and
> >the RS232 code are right at the core of the kernel so that they can
> >control 100% of the CPU time when needed.
>
> Also... the screen saver does NOT utilize 100% of the CPU's time
> slices. Can you really be that stupid?
I think you need to go back and reread what I wrote very carefully.
If you still don't get it reread it again. If after rereading it four
or 5 times you still don't understand, just go kill yourself.
MooseFET
wrote:
Its something in the water in Redmond
RoyLFuchs
wrote:
> RS-232 has the advantage that it can run through 1000 feet of
>twisted pair without troubles.
Not true. The cable is very specific as to the twists per inch, etc.
Also, twisted pair is not even needed if the entire cable is shielded,
and has a low enough interconductor capacitance. That includes backshells
and drain wires properly terminated.
From the trusted wikipedia source:
quote:
The standard does not define a maximum cable length but instead defines
the maximum capacitance that a compliant drive circuit must tolerate. A
widely-used rule-of-thumb indicates that cables more than 50 feet (15
metres) long will have too much capacitance, unless special cables are
used.
By using low-capacitance cables, full speed communication can be
maintained over larger distances up to about 1,000 feet.[5] For longer
distances, other signal standards are better suited to maintain high
speed.
end quote
As you can see, your statement is likely only true with the oldest,
slowest data rates, and the heaviest drive circuitry. Things that are
not likely even still available.
Are data rates below 9600 even selectable these days? Do you think the
drive chips are still as powerful as they were then? I mean... I know
what the word compliance means, but I have also seen a lot of fudging
over the years.
RoyLFuchs
wrote:
>On Oct 4, 8:39 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
I'll bet none of them are worried about their retirement fundings at the
level in which we are.
MooseFET
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:48:03 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net>
> wrote:
>
> > RS-232 has the advantage that it can run through 1000 feet of
> >twisted pair without troubles.
>
> Not true.
Yes true. It works very nicely for distances greater than that.
> Also, twisted pair is not even needed if the entire cable is shielded,
> and has a low enough interconductor capacitance. That includes backshells
> and drain wires properly terminated.
Twisted cable works better than non-twisted shielded. The distance
that RS-232 will work over is shorter every shielded cable I've
tried. At those sorts of lengths, the losses other than capacitance
start to matter.
> From the trusted wikipedia source:
>
> quote:
>
> The standard does not define a maximum cable length but instead defines
> the maximum capacitance that a compliant drive circuit must tolerate. A
> widely-used rule-of-thumb indicates that cables more than 50 feet (15
> metres) long will have too much capacitance, unless special cables are
> used.
>
> By using low-capacitance cables, full speed communication can be
> maintained over larger distances up to about 1,000 feet.[5] For longer
> distances, other signal standards are better suited to maintain high
> speed.
>
> end quote
>
> As you can see, your statement is likely only true with the oldest,
> slowest data rates, and the heaviest drive circuitry. Things that are
> not likely even still available.
You show your ignorance with that statement.
The standard does not specify what circuit be used for a driver. It
certainly doesn't say that an IC must be used. If I needed to I could
use transistors. I don't need to because plenty strong drivers can be
had.
> Are data rates below 9600 even selectable these days?
More ignorance? I can still set to 75 Baud if I want to.
> Do you think the
> drive chips are still as powerful as they were then?
If I want, the drivers can be stronger. But yes you can get good
drivers.
> I mean... I know
> what the word compliance means, but I have also seen a lot of fudging
> over the years.
I also know what compliance means that is why I stopped at 1000 feet.
It will work far farther but you would not be in complete compliance
then.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>Twisted cable works better than non-twisted shielded. The distance
>that RS-232 will work over is shorter every shielded cable I've
>tried. At those sorts of lengths, the losses other than capacitance
>start to matter.
>
It depends entirely on the environment one wants to place the run in.
Trying to cross even a mere 200 feet of shop floor, hung up in the same
place as the power runs, is not the place for UTP.
Den
"RoyLFuchs" <RoyL...@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
news:oejfe4tnca9uef2gu...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:27:28 -0700 (PDT), MooseFET <kens...@rahul.net>
> wrote:
>
>>For some things it is very hard to prevent the blue screen of death
>>because of the structure of windows. Things like the screen saver and
>>the RS232 code are right at the core of the kernel so that they can
>>control 100% of the CPU time when needed.
>
>
> If you still think you need an RS-232 port, you are living in the stone
> age. Short of setting up a JTAG programming tool, or other such
> peripheral control device, there is no need for such archaic devices on
> one's system. That is why they can be 100% disabled in the BIOS setup for
> ANY x86 machine I ever saw. Where have you been, idiot?
>
> It CAN be turned off, and DOES NOT use up ANY CPU cycles if set up
> properly.
>
> Now, idiot, tell us something even more retarded than that stupid
> remark was.
>
> Also... the screen saver does NOT utilize 100% of the CPU's time
> slices. Can you really be that stupid?
Go get your meds sorted Roy. You are really talking shit & obviously need to
get out more. The old '232 is still widely used, maybe not in your neck of
the woods, but certainly in others.
RoyLFuchs
You obviously cannot read. I said it was still in use, idiot.
Den
"RoyLFuchs" <RoyL...@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
news:a07je4te1b5kj3l90...@4ax.com...
Maybe I am Roy & if so I apologise, but you seem to have said:
"If you still think you need an RS-232 port, you are living in the stone
age. Short of setting up a JTAG programming tool, or other such peripheral
control device, there is no need for such archaic devices on one's system."
BTW, that nine inch tool of yours that you speak of elsewhere in this
thread, does it have "made in china" embossed on it anywhere? :~)
RoyLFuchs
> Short of setting up a JTAG programming tool, or other such peripheral
>control device,
Hmmm... yep... you seem to have found where I said that it is still
in use.
RoyLFuchs
>BTW, that nine inch tool of yours that you speak of elsewhere in this
>thread, does it have "made in china" embossed on it anywhere? :~)
>
No... idiot. Hatori Hanzo
Guy Macon
RoyLFuchs wrote:
>
>MooseFET wrote:
>
>> RS-232 has the advantage that it can run through 1000 feet of
>>twisted pair without troubles.
>
>Not true. The cable is very specific as to the twists per inch, etc.
>Also, twisted pair is not even needed if the entire cable is shielded,
>and has a low enough interconductor capacitance. That includes backshells
>and drain wires properly terminated.
Please explain how one uses an unshielded twisted pair when
RS232C requires a minimum of 3 wires.
In the case where the ground is carried by a shield, please
explain what you believe to be the advantage of twisting
TxD and RxD. Are you under the impression that RS232C is
balanced?
From [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair ]:
"In balanced pair operation, the two wires typically carry
equal and opposite signals (differential mode) which are
combined by addition at the destination. The common-mode
noise from the two wires (mostly) cancel each other in this
addition because the two wires have similar amounts of EMI
that are 180 degrees out of phase. This results in the same
effect as subtraction. Differential mode also reduces
electromagnetic radiation from the cable, along with the
attenuation that it causes."
Insults and other personal attacks will be taken as evidence
that you know that you are wrong and thus cannot make your case
on the basis of logic and evidence.
--
Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
RoyLFuchs
wrote:
>Please explain how one uses an unshielded twisted pair when
>RS232C requires a minimum of 3 wires.
Don't ask me, idiot. Ask the MooseFET dope that said it.
Learn how to read, and quote properly.
JW
wrote in Message id:
<988d1626-1ddb-4186...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>:
>If after rereading it four
>or 5 times you still don't understand, just go kill yourself.
Better yet, save time and go to step two.
Guy Macon
"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's
game because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be
indistinguishable from -- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds
possessing infinite amounts of free time."
-Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_
RoyLFuchs wrote:
>Don't ask me, idiot. Ask the MooseFET dope that said it.
>
>Learn how to read, and quote properly.
As I said in the post you replied to, insults and other personal
attacks will be taken as evidence that you know that you are wrong
and thus cannot make your case on the basis of logic and evidence.
As someone else pointed out recently, if you find that you are in
conflict with just about everyone you deal with, perhaps you should
think about what the common factor in all those interactions is.
Rich Grise
> RoyLFuchs wrote:
>>[crap]
>>MooseFET wrote:
> [crap]
> Insults and other personal attacks will be taken as evidence
> that you know that you are wrong and thus cannot make your case
> on the basis of logic and evidence.
I've had both of these idiots filtered for some time now.
Cheers!
Rich
krw
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/> says...
>
>
>
> RoyLFuchs wrote:
> >
> >MooseFET wrote:
> >
> >> RS-232 has the advantage that it can run through 1000 feet of
> >>twisted pair without troubles.
> >
> >Not true. The cable is very specific as to the twists per inch, etc.
> >Also, twisted pair is not even needed if the entire cable is shielded,
> >and has a low enough interconductor capacitance. That includes backshells
> >and drain wires properly terminated.
>
> Please explain how one uses an unshielded twisted pair when
> RS232C requires a minimum of 3 wires.
Two TPs - same 'U'. ;-)
> In the case where the ground is carried by a shield, please
> explain what you believe to be the advantage of twisting
> TxD and RxD. Are you under the impression that RS232C is
> balanced?
Bad idea.
> From [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twisted_pair ]:
>
> "In balanced pair operation, the two wires typically carry
> equal and opposite signals (differential mode) which are
> combined by addition at the destination. The common-mode
> noise from the two wires (mostly) cancel each other in this
> addition because the two wires have similar amounts of EMI
> that are 180 degrees out of phase. This results in the same
> effect as subtraction. Differential mode also reduces
> electromagnetic radiation from the cable, along with the
> attenuation that it causes."
>
> Insults and other personal attacks will be taken as evidence
> that you know that you are wrong and thus cannot make your case
> on the basis of logic and evidence.
That's why Dimbulb is also known as "AlwaysWrong".
--
Keith
RoyLFuchs
wrote:
>As I said in the post you replied to, insults and other personal
>attacks will be taken as evidence that you know that you are wrong
>and thus cannot make your case on the basis of logic and evidence.
I could give a fat flying fuck what you think, but I do not.
It does not change the fact I am correct, regardless of what was said.
You can "take it" any way you want to, but the way you "take it" doesn't
alter its efficacy, you stupid fuck.
UltimatePatriot
>That's why Dimbulb is also known as "AlwaysWrong".
>
You're an idiot.
krw
Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org says...
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:02:39 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
> >That's why Dimbulb is also known as "AlwaysWrong".
> >
> You're an idiot.
See? Wrong again, Dimmie.
--
Keith
RoyLFuchs
>See?
You're an idiot.
Jamie
has a real RS-232 port on the left along with a comnination eSATA USB
port which I thought was a nice addition.
All I need to do now is down grade it to XP pro SP3 which came with it :)
nob...@home.com
Abuse report sent to newsm...@cox.net (Morphing to escape killfilling is against the Cox Terms of Service).
I encourage others to also send in abuse reports. Enough complaints and Cox will nuke his account.
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RoyLFuchs
And you STILL made MS money on the OS that you said you would never use
or buy. You DID buy it, idiot.
In other words, both you and the meds boy retard are stupid.
krw
RoyL...@urfargingicehole.org says...
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:42:21 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
> >See?
>
>
> You're an idiot.
You're AlwaysWrong but everyone knows that.
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Herbert John "Jackie" Gleason
>
>
>"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> (Who is really "RoyLFuchs" <RoyL...@urfargingicehole.org> says:
>
>>On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:02:39 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>
>>>That's why Dimbulb is also known as "AlwaysWrong".
>>>
>> You're an idiot.
>
>Abuse report sent to newsm...@cox.net (Morphing to escape killfilling is against the Cox Terms of Service).
>I encourage others to also send in abuse reports. Enough complaints and Cox will nuke his account.
You are retarded. I have posted with that nym for over half a year,
dipshit.
Also note, you retarded twit, that krw does NOT have me on his
killfile, for EITHER nym.
If you do, that is YOUR fucking problem, and cox will TELL YOU that it
is YOU that needs to learn how to use AND UPDATE YOUR filters properly,
you retarded little piece of shit.
So give it your best shot, wussy boy.
I am quite sure the sig helps your case.
Just about as much as Obama claiming to be only eight years old when
his terrorist buddy got his CONVICTION for bombing changed anything about
his compromise in character for associating with him now.
Yep... You're a real piece of work.
I am quite sure that cox will have a few moments of entertainment at
your stupidity. Shall I post under some of my other 30+ nyms, so you can
piss and moan some more, wussy boy? Or should I create a few new ones
with dopey idiots just like you in mind?
It is a bad economy, idiot. I am quite sure that cox is far more
interested in my cash flow, than they are in your petty tears.
When I commit a crime, then you can make a stink. Until then, you can
eat shit and die, little boy. My discourse was not with you, and you
jumped in to attack me.
Have fun trying to make that work, sonny.
Posted as a famous cop... just for you, you som-bitch.
Eeyore
RoyLFuchs wrote:
> Jamie wrote:
> >Den wrote:
> >> "RoyLFuchs" <RoyL...@urfargingicehole.org> wrote
> >>>MooseFET <kens...@rahul.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>For some things it is very hard to prevent the blue screen of death
> >>>>because of the structure of windows. Things like the screen saver and
> >>>>the RS232 code are right at the core of the kernel so that they can
> >>>>control 100% of the CPU time when needed.
> >>>
> >>> If you still think you need an RS-232 port, you are living in the stone
> >>>age. Short of setting up a JTAG programming tool, or other such
> >>>peripheral control device, there is no need for such archaic devices on
> >>>one's system. That is why they can be 100% disabled in the BIOS setup for
> >>>ANY x86 machine I ever saw. Where have you been, idiot?
> >>>
> >>> It CAN be turned off, and DOES NOT use up ANY CPU cycles if set up
> >>>properly.
> >>>
> >>> Now, idiot, tell us something even more retarded than that stupid
> >>>remark was.
> >>>
> >>> Also... the screen saver does NOT utilize 100% of the CPU's time
> >>>slices. Can you really be that stupid?
> >>
> >> Go get your meds sorted Roy. You are really talking shit & obviously need to
> >> get out more. The old '232 is still widely used, maybe not in your neck of
> >> the woods, but certainly in others.
> >>
> >Speaking of which, I just received my new Toshiba Pro Tecra today which
> >has a real RS-232 port on the left along with a comnination eSATA USB
> >port which I thought was a nice addition.
> > All I need to do now is down grade it to XP pro SP3 which came with it :)
>
> And you STILL made MS money on the OS that you said you would never use
> or buy. You DID buy it, idiot.
>
> In other words, both you and the meds boy retard are stupid.
For most normal consumers that's the only way to get XP. Heck it works, don't bug
the guy.
Graham
Jim Thompson
On 07 Oct 2008 03:00:00 GMT, nob...@home.com wrote:
>
>
>"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> (Who is really "RoyLFuchs" <RoyL...@urfargingicehole.org> says:
>
>>On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:02:39 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>
>>>That's why Dimbulb is also known as "AlwaysWrong".
>>>
>> You're an idiot.
>
>Abuse report sent to newsm...@cox.net (Morphing to escape killfilling is against the Cox Terms of Service).
>I encourage others to also send in abuse reports. Enough complaints and Cox will nuke his account.
Maybe that would work. I have all this data on "the thing", so I'll
send it in and see if Cox does anything.
...Jim Thompson
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ItsASecretDummy
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>On 07 Oct 2008 03:00:00 GMT, nob...@home.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> (Who is really "RoyLFuchs" <RoyL...@urfargingicehole.org> says:
>>
>>>On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:02:39 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>That's why Dimbulb is also known as "AlwaysWrong".
>>>>
>>> You're an idiot.
>>
>>Abuse report sent to newsm...@cox.net (Morphing to escape killfilling is against the Cox Terms of Service).
>>I encourage others to also send in abuse reports. Enough complaints and Cox will nuke his account.
>
>Maybe that would work. I have all this data on "the thing", so I'll
>send it in and see if Cox does anything.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Sure... IF his claim were true that I used a different nym to avoid a
filter.
SINCE, however, I was having a discourse with a person that had NONE of
my nyms on his filter, you idiot's claims are baseless. Do you need to
go look that word up, boy?
Jasen Betts
> I use RS-232 for lots of things too. Some of them are also of my own
> design. RS-232 has the advantage that it can run through 1000 feet of
> twisted pair without troubles.
not without troubles.
At 57600 Baud I get about 80m (through cat-5e cable) before the cable's
capacitance becomes a significant load on the serial port's drivers.
the fix (which I devised) is to put an LED and 1N914 in series on the far
end so that it conducts while the line is idle.
That way there's less charge needed to bring the line high.
impedance mismatch
Bye.
Jasen
krw
says...
If you're going to bastardize the interface why not just get a
driver that's designed to do the job?
> impedance mismatch
--
Keith
Jasen Betts
I don't get to design the devices, but every so often I google to see
if there's something better available.
at the weak end it's a PC serial port, the max-232 (or similar) on the
far end has no trouble pulling the line high enough (I guess that'd be
because in the worst case all that's between VCC and the high side
output driver is a forwards biased diode)
Bye.
Jasen
MooseFET
> On 2008-10-05, MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote:
>
> > I use RS-232 for lots of things too. Some of them are also of my own
> > design. RS-232 has the advantage that it can run through 1000 feet of
> > twisted pair without troubles.
>
> not without troubles.
I do it all the time.
>
> At 57600 Baud
I use 9600 Baud which is more than fast enough for the application.
> I get about 80m (through cat-5e cable) before the cable's
> capacitance becomes a significant load on the serial port's
> drivers.
Use can use a stronger driver and still be in compliance.
>
> the fix (which I devised) is to put an LED and 1N914 in series on the far
> end so that it conducts while the line is idle.
Although that is a bit of a violation, it does work. If you roll your
own driver, you can make it so that is sort of does this its self.