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Jim Thompson
Nov 15, 2012, 4:35:39 PM11/15/12
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An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
device behaves.
I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
Thanks!
...Jim Thompson
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concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
device behaves.
I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
Thanks!
...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Cydrome Leader
Nov 15, 2012, 5:00:20 PM11/15/12
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In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
> An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
> concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
> a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>
> The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
> device behaves.
>
> I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
> locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>
> All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>
> Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
speaking of, can anybody clearly explain a memristor in about 3 sentences
> An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
> concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
> a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>
> The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
> device behaves.
>
> I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
> locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>
> All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>
> Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
or less?
lang...@fonz.dk
Nov 15, 2012, 5:05:40 PM11/15/12
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On 15 Nov., 23:00, Cydrome Leader <prese...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
free from wikipedia,
current in one direction, increase resistance,
current in the other direction, decrease resistance
no current, resistance stays the same
-Lasse
current in one direction, increase resistance,
current in the other direction, decrease resistance
no current, resistance stays the same
-Lasse
Tim Wescott
Nov 15, 2012, 5:07:51 PM11/15/12
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2: It's phenomenal.
3: It's revolutionary.
There -- isn't that easy?
OK, you're going to get all anal retentive and tell me that you didn't
want the manager's overview. Fine. Here's my understanding of a
memristor:
It is a device that acts like a resistor whose resistance is proportional
to the integral of all of the current that has ever flowed through the it.
Oops. That's only one sentence. Sorry.
--
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My conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook.
Why am I not happy that they have found common ground?
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Jim Thompson
Nov 15, 2012, 5:10:42 PM11/15/12
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Jim Thompson
Nov 15, 2012, 5:12:56 PM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:07:51 -0600, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com>
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:00:20 +0000, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>
>> In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson
>> <To-Email-Use-Th...@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
>>> An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>>> concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like a
>>> Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>>>
>>> The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>>> device behaves.
>>>
>>> I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>>> locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>>>
>>> All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>>>
>>> Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>>
>> speaking of, can anybody clearly explain a memristor in about 3
>> sentences or less?
>
>1: It's really cool.
>2: It's phenomenal.
>3: It's revolutionary.
>
>There -- isn't that easy?
>
>OK, you're going to get all anal retentive and tell me that you didn't
>want the manager's overview. Fine. Here's my understanding of a
>memristor:
>
>It is a device that acts like a resistor whose resistance is proportional
>to the integral of all of the current that has ever flowed through the it.
>
>Oops. That's only one sentence. Sorry.
So the resistance INCREASES and approaches some asymptotic limit?
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:00:20 +0000, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>
>> In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson
>> <To-Email-Use-Th...@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
>>> An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>>> concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like a
>>> Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>>>
>>> The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>>> device behaves.
>>>
>>> I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>>> locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>>>
>>> All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>>>
>>> Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>>
>> speaking of, can anybody clearly explain a memristor in about 3
>> sentences or less?
>
>1: It's really cool.
>2: It's phenomenal.
>3: It's revolutionary.
>
>There -- isn't that easy?
>
>OK, you're going to get all anal retentive and tell me that you didn't
>want the manager's overview. Fine. Here's my understanding of a
>memristor:
>
>It is a device that acts like a resistor whose resistance is proportional
>to the integral of all of the current that has ever flowed through the it.
>
>Oops. That's only one sentence. Sorry.
rickman
Nov 15, 2012, 6:40:09 PM11/15/12
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What I want to know on the theory level, is how it is a "fourth" element
of basic electronics that was predicted by theory? I've heard that
claim, but it was never explained in any detail at all.
Rick
John Larkin
Nov 15, 2012, 6:59:35 PM11/15/12
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Cydrome Leader
Nov 15, 2012, 7:21:23 PM11/15/12
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In sci.electronics.basics flipper <fli...@fish.net> wrote:
> Well, it does if the current is going ----> thata way. If it's going
> <----- thisa way it decreases.
>
> The sign matters.
>
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
so it truly is as meaningless as it sounds.
> <----- thisa way it decreases.
>
> The sign matters.
>
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
so it truly is as meaningless as it sounds.
Cydrome Leader
Nov 15, 2012, 7:23:18 PM11/15/12
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In sci.electronics.basics John Larkin <jla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:40:09 -0500, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/15/2012 5:00 PM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>> In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson<To-Email-Use-Th...@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
>>>> An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>>>> concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
>>>> a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>>>>
>>>> The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>>>> device behaves.
>>>>
>>>> I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>>>> locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>>>>
>>>> All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>>>
>>> speaking of, can anybody clearly explain a memristor in about 3 sentences
>>> or less?
>>
>>If you can't get them, does it matter? I'll wait for the spec sheet.
>>
>>What I want to know on the theory level, is how it is a "fourth" element
>>of basic electronics that was predicted by theory? I've heard that
>>claim, but it was never explained in any detail at all.
>>
>>Rick
>
> Google memristor Leon Chua
doing that or reading any other story about them just makes them think I'm
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:40:09 -0500, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/15/2012 5:00 PM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>> In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson<To-Email-Use-Th...@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
>>>> An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>>>> concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
>>>> a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>>>>
>>>> The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>>>> device behaves.
>>>>
>>>> I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>>>> locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>>>>
>>>> All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>>>
>>> speaking of, can anybody clearly explain a memristor in about 3 sentences
>>> or less?
>>
>>If you can't get them, does it matter? I'll wait for the spec sheet.
>>
>>What I want to know on the theory level, is how it is a "fourth" element
>>of basic electronics that was predicted by theory? I've heard that
>>claim, but it was never explained in any detail at all.
>>
>>Rick
>
> Google memristor Leon Chua
listening to some beggar with a sob story about how they need money to get
a train ticket. None of it stacks up or makes any sense.
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John Larkin
Nov 15, 2012, 7:43:31 PM11/15/12
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and anything that burns out when you run current through it.
Jim Thompson
Nov 15, 2012, 8:14:22 PM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:26:06 -0600, flipper <fli...@fish.net> wrote:
>You have very little imagination. It makes a very nice non volatile
>memory, to name but one use.
Yep. But the stated behavior is quite vague, and my surfing today
indicates that planned roll-out in 2013 has been delayed to at least
"mid-decade" whatever that means.
Sounds like a wet dream that turned out to be piss running down your
leg... sort of like Chris Matthews' "thrill" >:-}
>memory, to name but one use.
Yep. But the stated behavior is quite vague, and my surfing today
indicates that planned roll-out in 2013 has been delayed to at least
"mid-decade" whatever that means.
Sounds like a wet dream that turned out to be piss running down your
leg... sort of like Chris Matthews' "thrill" >:-}
George Herold
Nov 15, 2012, 8:15:01 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 5:07 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:00:20 +0000, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> > In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:00:20 +0000, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> > In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hmm, you make 'em sound potentially interesting.
I bet they are horribly non-ideal.
George H.
Jim Thompson
Nov 15, 2012, 8:15:56 PM11/15/12
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piece of wire.
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Cydrome Leader
Nov 16, 2012, 12:49:05 PM11/16/12
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In sci.electronics.basics flipper <fli...@fish.net> wrote:
> You have very little imagination. It makes a very nice non volatile
> memory, to name but one use.
yeah, something that can barely be described and doesn't even exist is a
> memory, to name but one use.
great type of memory.
at least bubble memory exists.
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Cydrome Leader
Nov 16, 2012, 1:56:57 PM11/16/12
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memristor technology?
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John Larkin
Nov 16, 2012, 2:47:18 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:56:57 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
Only if it includes a global warming component, and some stem cells.
Jim Thompson
Nov 16, 2012, 5:12:24 PM11/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:35:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
>a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>
>The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>device behaves.
>
>I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>
>All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>
>Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>
>Thanks!
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Lots of worthless PhD stuff out there. Weaned to engineering level, I
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
>a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>
>The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>device behaves.
>
>I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>
>All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>
>Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>
>Thanks!
>
> ...Jim Thompson
found people addressing modeling...
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/2097/4605/3/KetakiKerur2010.pdf
http://www.electro-tech-online.com/custompdfs/2009/08/09_02_210_214-4.pdf
http://www.roznovskastredni.cz/biolek/articles/eds10_1.pdf
http://arxiv.org/abs/1002.3210
http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/~goster/pdfs/Memristor.pdf
Cydrome Leader
Nov 16, 2012, 5:46:20 PM11/16/12
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Cydrome Leader
Nov 16, 2012, 6:12:43 PM11/16/12
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In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:35:39 -0700, Jim Thompson
> <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>>concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
>>a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>>
>>The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>>device behaves.
>>
>>I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>>locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>>
>>All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>>
>>Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> Lots of worthless PhD stuff out there. Weaned to engineering level, I
> found people addressing modeling...
>
> http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/2097/4605/3/KetakiKerur2010.pdf
exciting stuff there, can't wait to see the meminductor and memcapacitor.
> <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>>concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
>>a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>>
>>The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>>device behaves.
>>
>>I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>>locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>>
>>All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>>
>>Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> Lots of worthless PhD stuff out there. Weaned to engineering level, I
> found people addressing modeling...
>
> http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/2097/4605/3/KetakiKerur2010.pdf
I call shots on the memsuperconductor.
John Larkin
Nov 16, 2012, 6:47:49 PM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:46:20 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
Powered by a fuel cell.
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rickman
Nov 16, 2012, 12:39:32 AM11/16/12
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On 11/15/2012 7:24 PM, flipper wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:40:09 -0500, rickman<gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:40:09 -0500, rickman<gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/15/2012 5:00 PM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>> In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson<To-Email-Use-Th...@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
>>>> An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>>>> concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
>>>> a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>>>>
>>>> The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>>>> device behaves.
>>>>
>>>> I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>>>> locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>>>>
>>>> All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>>>
>>> speaking of, can anybody clearly explain a memristor in about 3 sentences
>>> or less?
>>
>> If you can't get them, does it matter? I'll wait for the spec sheet.
>
> Next year.
>>> In sci.electronics.basics Jim Thompson<To-Email-Use-Th...@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
>>>> An interesting question came up on the LTspice List this morning
>>>> concerning Spice modeling a ReRAM, a resistive element something like
>>>> a Memristor, but "different" ;-)
>>>>
>>>> The OP seemed over his head and couldn't quite vocalize how the ReRAM
>>>> device behaves.
>>>>
>>>> I tried surfing and ran into the hurdles that any real information is
>>>> locked behind the IEEE fiasco.
>>>>
>>>> All other links seemed more like Popular Science reviews than facts.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know the V-I behavior of these device?
>>>
>>> speaking of, can anybody clearly explain a memristor in about 3 sentences
>>> or less?
>>
>> If you can't get them, does it matter? I'll wait for the spec sheet.
>
>
>>
>> What I want to know on the theory level, is how it is a "fourth" element
>> of basic electronics that was predicted by theory? I've heard that
>> claim, but it was never explained in any detail at all.
>
> It's an 'element' because it cannot be constructed from the other
>>
>> What I want to know on the theory level, is how it is a "fourth" element
>> of basic electronics that was predicted by theory? I've heard that
>> claim, but it was never explained in any detail at all.
>
> 'elements'.
I don't care about the label "element". I care about the idea that it
fills a gap in the general electronics theory as a "fourth element".
I've never found exactly what that is supposed to mean.
Rick
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P E Schoen
Nov 17, 2012, 8:37:27 PM11/17/12
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"flipper" wrote in message
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> The 'elements' fit in the formed quadrants. Going clockwise you
> have in the lower left an inductor. Upper left is the resistor and
> upper right is the capacitor. The lower right is either 'missing'
> or a 'memsistor'.
(view fixed font)
voltage
^
resistor | capacitor
|
current <---------+------------> charge
|
inductor | ?????
v
flux
It’s a "flux capacitor"!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine
It might also be modeled by a battery or a motor. Instead of *dissipating*
power as voltage and current (resistor), it *stores* power in the form of
flux and charge, either by chemical reaction or by rotational inertia.
Paul
news:aj7ga8dlgu11odmlc...@4ax.com...
> The 'elements' fit in the formed quadrants. Going clockwise you
> have in the lower left an inductor. Upper left is the resistor and
> upper right is the capacitor. The lower right is either 'missing'
> or a 'memsistor'.
(view fixed font)
voltage
^
resistor | capacitor
|
current <---------+------------> charge
|
inductor | ?????
v
flux
It’s a "flux capacitor"!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine
It might also be modeled by a battery or a motor. Instead of *dissipating*
power as voltage and current (resistor), it *stores* power in the form of
flux and charge, either by chemical reaction or by rotational inertia.
Paul
Tim Williams
Nov 17, 2012, 11:22:13 PM11/17/12
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"P E Schoen" <pa...@peschoen.com> wrote in message
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store energy, while the upper-left, at least, dissipates power. Perhaps
the entire main diagonal dissipates.
- Resistance is the ratio of voltage to current; the product is power
(real dissipation, nonconservative).
- Capacitance is the ratio of charge to voltage; the product is energy
(stored, conservative).
- Inductance is the ratio of flux to current; the product is energy
(stored, conservative).
- Memristance is the ratio of charge to flux (or the inverse, whichever);
the product is technically energy * time, or momentum * length. Doesn't
really make sense.
Tim
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> It might also be modeled by a battery or a motor. Instead of
> *dissipating*
> power as voltage and current (resistor), it *stores* power in the form
> of flux and charge, either by chemical reaction or by rotational
> inertia.
Not necessarily. The antidiagonal entries on the plot of four quantities
> *dissipating*
> power as voltage and current (resistor), it *stores* power in the form
> of flux and charge, either by chemical reaction or by rotational
> inertia.
store energy, while the upper-left, at least, dissipates power. Perhaps
the entire main diagonal dissipates.
- Resistance is the ratio of voltage to current; the product is power
(real dissipation, nonconservative).
- Capacitance is the ratio of charge to voltage; the product is energy
(stored, conservative).
- Inductance is the ratio of flux to current; the product is energy
(stored, conservative).
- Memristance is the ratio of charge to flux (or the inverse, whichever);
the product is technically energy * time, or momentum * length. Doesn't
really make sense.
Tim
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Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com
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Jim Thompson
Nov 18, 2012, 6:25:30 PM11/18/12
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On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:16:14 -0600, flipper <fli...@fish.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:37:27 -0500, "P E Schoen" <pa...@peschoen.com>
>wrote:
>The units for a memristor is said to be Ohms. It dissipates just like
>a resistor. This has been used to argue it's not a new fundamental
>device since, it is claimed, a new fundamental device would require a
>new unit of measure. I'm not saying that's 'true', just that it's an
>argument made. Note, however, that they're both a ratio of (in
>generalized terms) 'quantity vs potential' with the difference being
>one is the differential of the other. e.g. dq-idt. It might be better
>to call the memristor unit Rt, or OhmT, to accommodate the 'memory'
>function.
>
>Or, put another way, it strikes me that saying 'ohms' for a memristor
>is akin to noting the volt and current of an inductor or capacitor at
>a specific moment in time. It's valid for that moment but is different
>at others and the same goes for the memristor's 'Ohms'. It changes
>over time, depending on flux and charge, so Ohms is an insufficient
>measure of it's overall, time variant, characteristic.
>
>A battery is not a passive device and a motor is not fundamental as it
>can be modeled by fundamental devices.
>
>Someone mentioned the diagonal. Yes, the inductor-capacitor diagonal
>are energy storage elements. The resistor-memristor diagonal are
>dissipative elements.
From considerable searching I conclude that the ReRAM is something
your door-to-door sweeper salesman might be hawking. Lots of claims.
Little do. Those who _were_ going to do non-volatile RAM with it are
"delaying" entry into the market for several years.
Even ran across a thesis and several papers where the "demonstrated"
Spice model had dangling nodes ;-)
>On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:37:27 -0500, "P E Schoen" <pa...@peschoen.com>
>wrote:
>a resistor. This has been used to argue it's not a new fundamental
>device since, it is claimed, a new fundamental device would require a
>new unit of measure. I'm not saying that's 'true', just that it's an
>argument made. Note, however, that they're both a ratio of (in
>generalized terms) 'quantity vs potential' with the difference being
>one is the differential of the other. e.g. dq-idt. It might be better
>to call the memristor unit Rt, or OhmT, to accommodate the 'memory'
>function.
>
>Or, put another way, it strikes me that saying 'ohms' for a memristor
>is akin to noting the volt and current of an inductor or capacitor at
>a specific moment in time. It's valid for that moment but is different
>at others and the same goes for the memristor's 'Ohms'. It changes
>over time, depending on flux and charge, so Ohms is an insufficient
>measure of it's overall, time variant, characteristic.
>
>A battery is not a passive device and a motor is not fundamental as it
>can be modeled by fundamental devices.
>
>Someone mentioned the diagonal. Yes, the inductor-capacitor diagonal
>are energy storage elements. The resistor-memristor diagonal are
>dissipative elements.
From considerable searching I conclude that the ReRAM is something
your door-to-door sweeper salesman might be hawking. Lots of claims.
Little do. Those who _were_ going to do non-volatile RAM with it are
"delaying" entry into the market for several years.
Even ran across a thesis and several papers where the "demonstrated"
Spice model had dangling nodes ;-)
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