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Dirk Bruere at Neopax  
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 More options Jan 22 2004, 6:17 pm
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From: "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:17:55 -0000
Local: Thurs, Jan 22 2004 6:17 pm
Subject: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

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Luhan Monat  
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:30:57 -0800
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Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
> http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

Hmmmm, the patent number checks out at http://uspto.gov

That new political party is also interesting....
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Tim Auton  
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 More options Jan 22 2004, 8:45 pm
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From: Tim Auton <tim.auton@uton.[group sex without the y]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:48:11 +0000
Local: Thurs, Jan 22 2004 8:48 pm
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

Luhan Monat <nob...@invalid.xyz> wrote:
>Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
>> http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

>> http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

>> 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

>Hmmmm, the patent number checks out at http://uspto.gov

In could get a patent for stroking a cat from head to tail in the USA.
So could my cat. It's not a good metric.

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Dirk Bruere at Neopax  
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 More options Jan 22 2004, 9:39 pm
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From: "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:39:09 -0000
Local: Thurs, Jan 22 2004 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

"Tim Auton" <tim.auton@uton.[group sex without the y]> wrote in message
news:b7v01054mvljbksgu18m99nrri7vigc6oa@4ax.com...

> Luhan Monat <nob...@invalid.xyz> wrote:
> >Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
> >> http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> >> http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> >> 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

> >Hmmmm, the patent number checks out at http://uspto.gov

> In could get a patent for stroking a cat from head to tail in the USA.
> So could my cat. It's not a good metric.

True, but they apparently have a real product on sale *now*.
I'd really like to know more about it, and other people's opinions.

> Tim
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Server seems to be having some problems tonight.

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Terry Pinnell  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 3:03 am
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From: Terry Pinnell <terrypinDEL...@dial.pipexTHIS.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:03:54 +0000
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 3:03 am
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com> wrote:

>http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

>http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

>256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

Definitely sounds like it qualifies as 'revolution' to me. Sure could
use some of that for my Pocket PC...

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Dirk Bruere at Neopax  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 3:06 am
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From: "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:05:56 -0000
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 3:05 am
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDEL...@dial.pipexTHIS.com> wrote in message

news:96l1109pd709079ld7fbck6lueb1qlmi1e@4ax.com...

> "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com> wrote:

> >http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> >http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> >256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

> Definitely sounds like it qualifies as 'revolution' to me. Sure could
> use some of that for my Pocket PC...

Sounds like the end of the mechanical hard drive if true.
And about time.
Also sounds too good to be true.

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Paul Burke  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 3:16 am
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:19:53 +0000
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 3:19 am
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:

> http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

"NvIOpSRAM for 256GB has the selling price of $50.00 per 1GB."

OK, it's early days yet, but I just bought a 120GB hard disk for 65 UK
pounds- say $110. It will be a while before this (untested) technology
can compete except for very specialised applications. There's a lot of
work with microdrives and flash to be done yet.

Paul Burke


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Dirk Bruere at Neopax  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 3:32 am
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From: "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:32:49 -0000
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 3:32 am
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

"Paul Burke" <p...@scazon.com> wrote in message

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> Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:
> > http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> > http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> > 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

> "NvIOpSRAM for 256GB has the selling price of $50.00 per 1GB."

> OK, it's early days yet, but I just bought a 120GB hard disk for 65 UK
> pounds- say $110. It will be a while before this (untested) technology
> can compete except for very specialised applications. There's a lot of
> work with microdrives and flash to be done yet.

But this leaves both in the dust.
No doubt if this is genuine the only reason it costs $50 per GB is because
they can get away with it, being a monopoly and being produced only in small
numbers so far.

I would expect the technology to be quite competitive on price with hard
drives, if not considerably cheaper.
And it wasn't so long ago (6yrs?) that $50 per GB was *cheap*.

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Stefan Heinzmann  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 7:01 am
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From: Stefan Heinzmann <stefan_heinzm...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:03:02 +0100
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 7:03 am
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
Dirk Bruere at Neopax schrieb:

> http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

I vote for bullshit.

Note the following:

o  The RAM is supposed to operate at 1.4V, yet have TTL compatible
signalling

o  The cycle time is quoted as 1.1ns, which would require different
signalling (TTL levels can't do that speed. You'd need something like
LVDS or ECL).

o  Putting such a fast memory technology into a USB dongle is idiocy.

o  How can a chip with an organization of 32Mx64 come in a package with
8 pins?

o  There's a certain discrepancy between the claimed ingenuity of their
research and the sophistication of their web page.

o  USA, Israel, Japan, Netherlands, Malaysia, Mexico, Moldova, Tatarstan
-- yeah right!

o  Have you seen any real address, phone number or anything that would
allow tracking the company down?

Enough?

Cheers
Stefan


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John Larkin  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 10:10 am
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From: John Larkin <jjlar...@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:14:51 -0800
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 10:14 am
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:17:55 -0000, "Dirk Bruere at Neopax"

<d...@neopax.com> wrote:
>http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

>http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

>256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

Obvious, semiliterate BS. If they had a breakthrough like this, they
certainly wouldn't be selling it retail. And how do you
holographically address a terabit of data through an optical fiber?

Nice statuettes and medals, though. Maybe I'll start a foundation,
elect myself President, and give myself a lot of awards for
innovation.

John


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Steve Roberts  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 11:06 am
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From: oste...@akrobiz.com (Steve Roberts)
Date: 23 Jan 2004 08:05:04 -0800
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Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

Stefan Heinzmann <stefan_heinzm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message <news:bur2ac$pc1$06$1@news.t-online.com>...
> Dirk Bruere at Neopax schrieb:

 what you are missing is in the data sheet, it needs a laser scanner
to read it out. while galvo scanners are remarkably fast and
accosto-optic or electro-optic
scanning techniques are even faster, a optically addressed memory is
still going to be a bulky pain in the a$$ to build for say the next
ten years until polymer based  electro-holographic optical switches
are perfected. maybe with a MEMS mirror chip as a read out, but
addressing the MEMS is not cheap and mems resolution is low unless you
can layer their chips in a stack!

the cost quoted is raw chip cost without the laser and scanner
factored in.
great if you need a huge library of write once read many chips and
only one reader, otherwise......................

Steve Roberts


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Quack  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 11:38 am
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From: alex+goo...@vuetec.com (Quack)
Date: 23 Jan 2004 08:38:03 -0800
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 11:38 am
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
yeah i agree, its a load of ****.


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Tim Shoppa  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 11:38 am
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From: sho...@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa)
Date: 23 Jan 2004 08:38:36 -0800
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Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com> wrote in message <news:buplmv$kjorg$1@ID-120108.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

> Bullshit, hype or revolution?

None of the above.  I think it's satire, along the lines of the
Signetics "Write-Only-Memory".  The ridiculous claims,
the funny language and spelling, the two one-man "institutes", etc.

Tim.


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Zak  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 2:48 pm
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From: Zak <s...@jutezak.invalid>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:48:08 +0100
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

Tim Shoppa wrote:
> "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com> wrote in message <news:buplmv$kjorg$1@ID-120108.news.uni-berlin.de>...

>>http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

>>http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

>>256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

>>Bullshit, hype or revolution?

> None of the above.  I think it's satire, along the lines of the
> Signetics "Write-Only-Memory".  The ridiculous claims,
> the funny language and spelling, the two one-man "institutes", etc.

I especially like the way image input works on the 'solar image
recorder' chip.

I'm sure the person setting it up had a lot of fun!

Thomas


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Tim Shoppa  
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 More options Jan 23 2004, 8:46 pm
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Date: 23 Jan 2004 17:46:01 -0800
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Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

Zak <s...@jutezak.invalid> wrote in message <news:YTeQb.1065$O41.64224@amstwist00>...
> I especially like the way image input works on the 'solar image
> recorder' chip.

Actually, in the late 1970's one hobbyist magazine had plans
for turning a 4K DRAM chip into a video camera.  Pop the top off the
chip, expose to light, and the incident photons tended to flip
bits asymmetrically.

To call it a "recorder" was certainly a stretch!

Tim.


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Michael A. Terrell  
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:33:26 GMT
Local: Fri, Jan 23 2004 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

Tim Shoppa wrote:

> Zak <s...@jutezak.invalid> wrote in message <news:YTeQb.1065$O41.64224@amstwist00>...
> > I especially like the way image input works on the 'solar image
> > recorder' chip.

> Actually, in the late 1970's one hobbyist magazine had plans
> for turning a 4K DRAM chip into a video camera.  Pop the top off the
> chip, expose to light, and the incident photons tended to flip
> bits asymmetrically.

> To call it a "recorder" was certainly a stretch!

> Tim.

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Boris Mohar  
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:38:38 -0500
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Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
On 23 Jan 2004 17:46:01 -0800, sho...@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) wrote:

>Zak <s...@jutezak.invalid> wrote in message <news:YTeQb.1065$O41.64224@amstwist00>...
>> I especially like the way image input works on the 'solar image
>> recorder' chip.

>Actually, in the late 1970's one hobbyist magazine had plans
>for turning a 4K DRAM chip into a video camera.  Pop the top off the
>chip, expose to light, and the incident photons tended to flip
>bits asymmetrically.

>To call it a "recorder" was certainly a stretch!

>Tim.

 Why not? After all it use a gold plated audio plug and a jack.

Regards,

Boris Mohar

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Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs http://www3.sympatico.ca/borism/
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Kevin McMurtrie  
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 More options Jan 24 2004, 4:28 am
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:26:59 -0800
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Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
In article <buplmv$kjor...@ID-120108.news.uni-berlin.de>,
 "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com> wrote:

> http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

3D halographic storage was invented years ago but it's still not
practical for real use.  At best you can make a demo of it almost doing
something.

It looks like the web page is a humorous joke.  The photos are clearly
electronics junk chopped up, glued together, and hastily modified with
digital photo software.  There's a bunch of surface mount resistors,
some halographic stickers, a surface mount chip with badly damaged pins,
anti-static foam, and what appears to be a microwave filter chassis
(cell phone?).

Lets see which newspapers fall for it.


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Dirk Bruere at Neopax  
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 More options Jan 24 2004, 5:52 pm
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From: "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <d...@neopax.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:52:14 -0000
Local: Sat, Jan 24 2004 5:52 pm
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

"Kevin McMurtrie" <mcmur...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message

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I came across this from a report of stuff shown at Comdex

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Tim Shoppa  
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Date: 24 Jan 2004 19:08:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?

Kevin McMurtrie <mcmur...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message <news:mcmurtri-36B135.01265924012004@corp-radius.supernews.com>...
> It looks like the web page is a humorous joke.  The photos are clearly
> electronics junk chopped up, glued together, and hastily modified with
> digital photo software.  There's a bunch of surface mount resistors,
> some halographic stickers, a surface mount chip with badly damaged pins,
> anti-static foam, and what appears to be a microwave filter chassis
> (cell phone?).

> Lets see which newspapers fall for it.

The "Dr. NakaMats", who proudly admits to being one of the five greatest
scientific geniuses of all time, seems to be a character not too different
than the fictional Buckaroo Banzai.  Based on my primitive web searches,
he seems to be idolized in Japanese newspapers (where he pontificates
on subjects ranging from how great a genius he is to how sex leads to
business skills).  I assume this is all based entirely on his own
self-promotion, although I could be wrong.

Give me Mr. Wizard any day of the week :-)

Tim.


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Wayne Shanks  
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 More options Jan 25 2004, 11:54 pm
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:59:59 -0600
Local: Mon, Jan 26 2004 12:59 am
Subject: Re: Bullshit, hype or revolution?
Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:

> http://www.atomchip.com/_wsn/page2.html

> http://www.compu-technics.com/pages/10/index.htm

> 256GB, all solid state, non volatile, access in nS etc

WOW, I was going to consider that they might have some obscure quantum
optics effect, that might be useful in 30 years... that is until I got a
load of

http://www.compu-technics.com/images/solar%20memory.WMV

that movie was almost comical....

my take.... total and complete bullshit

Wayne s


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