Hee! Hee! Hee!
Jim Thompson
If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
Talk about hope and change... ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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"A house divided against itself cannot stand,"
-Jesus, President Lincoln, President Johnson
Dear Leader Barack Hussein Obama is about to prove it.
Martin Riddle
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>
> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>
> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
> --
VA & NJ, I'm happy for NJ. Finally real change.
Cheers
Oppie
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>
> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>
> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
We had a republican win over the 3 term dem county executive (Westchester,
NY).
Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken by
dems.
One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by the
courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me suspicious
but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties. A big write-in
campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the next week.
http://www.lohud.com/
Phil Hobbs
Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Jim Thompson
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>Oppie wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>> message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>
>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>
>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>> We had a republican win over the 3 term dem county executive
>> (Westchester, NY).
>> Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken
>> by dems.
>> One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by the
>> courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me
>> suspicious but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties. A
>> big write-in campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the next
>> week.
>> http://www.lohud.com/
>
>Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
>ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
Damn! That's about 3X what I pay. But things are starting to get
politically nasty around here... I foresee some upcoming "pick-up
truck" events ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Obama says, "I AM NOT a cry baby, Fox REALLY IS out to get me!"
Joe Chisolm
> Oppie wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>> in message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>
>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>
>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>> We had a republican win over the 3 term dem county executive
>> (Westchester, NY).
>> Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken
>> by dems.
>> One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by the
>> courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me
>> suspicious but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties. A
>> big write-in campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the
>> next week.
>> http://www.lohud.com/
>
> Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
Move to Texas. $4.5k (most of it school district tax) for 12 acres
with house and barn and no state income tax. I could drop it
some if I put a couple of cows out back and took the ag exemption.
--
Joe Chisolm
Marble Falls, Tx.
amdx
"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
news:NuSdnfY41tFpMGzX...@supernews.com...
> Oppie wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>> message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>
>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>
>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>> We had a republican win over the 3 term dem county executive
>> (Westchester, NY).
>> Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken by
>> dems.
>> One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by the
>> courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me
>> suspicious but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties. A
>> big write-in campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the next
>> week.
>> http://www.lohud.com/
>
> Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
>
should
not have to pay the government to live in it. (paying for the rest of your
life)
Makes me mad just thinking about it!
Mike
Ecnerwal
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
Vote with your feet. 2.5K (like Joe, mostly school tax) for 8 acres and
a not quite complete "shop with living space" ("camp" per the the
assesors.) Somewhat less if I actually get to the point of living there
- currently paying the non-resident premium rate. About a 2 hour drive
from the commuter train if you need to hit NYC, or an hour from the
Amtrak more expensive version. Not the sort of thing you'd want to do
daily, but not too bad if you needed to get there once in a while,
though I rarely do.
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
John Larkin
Sales tax is the way to go. Exempt basics. Eliminate business taxes.
That way, people elect to pay tax when they buy stuff, and imports get
dinged just as hard as domestic products. And people have jobs and get
paid, so can afford to buy stuff.
John
amdx
"Joe Chisolm" <jchi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:E9KdnVuNAe1OLWzX...@earthlink.com...
N.Fl. about 1/2 acre, 3br, 2bath $200.000 range.
Property taxes of $832 per year.
All of the sudden I feel blessed.
Did I mention 72 degrees 50% humidity.
Garberstreet Electronics
"amdx" <am...@knology.net> wrote in message
news:30f63$4af1b8dd$d8baf3ed$81...@KNOLOGY.NET...
Read what you yourself wrote. You "pay for your home" and are then
taxed for the right to live on the property, or ground it sets on.
Check out rental costs on similar properties in the same area, and
then quit complaining and thank God that you have it so good.
Bill
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>> in message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
>>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>>
>>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>>
>>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>>
>>> (Westchester, NY).
>>> Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken
>>> by dems.
>>> One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by the
>>> courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me
>>> suspicious but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties. A
>>> big write-in campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the
>>> next week.
>>> http://www.lohud.com/
>>
>> Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
>> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>>
> should
> not have to pay the government to live in it. (paying for the rest of your
> life)
> Makes me mad just thinking about it!
>
http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/HIFF/
Cheers!
Rich
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:24:41 -0600, "amdx" <am...@knology.net> wrote:
>>"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
>>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>>> in message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> (Westchester, NY).
>>>> Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken
>>>> by dems.
>>>> One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by
>>>> the courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me
>>>> suspicious but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties.
>>>> A big write-in campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the
>>>> next week.
>>>> http://www.lohud.com/
>>>
>>> Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
>>> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>>>
>>should
>>not have to pay the government to live in it. (paying for the rest of
>>your life)
>>Makes me mad just thinking about it!
>>
> way, people elect to pay tax when they buy stuff, and imports get dinged
> just as hard as domestic products. And people have jobs and get paid, so
> can afford to buy stuff.
>
an aversion to the term "sales" taxes.
And additional pluses - the bureaucrats will have to pay their "fair
share", along with the guys with all the loopholes.
Make ten million in "income," and you can hide it. Spend it on a ten
million dollar yacht, pay a million (or whatever) in purchase tax.
After all, every tax there is ultimately comes out of the pockets of
some working stiff - wanna "nail the rich"? Tax their expenditures.
Even tax clothing, except for _used_ clothing, like at thrift shops
and garage sales.
But hey, what's ten bucks tax on a $100.00 suit? ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Garberstreet Electronics
"flipper" <fli...@fish.net> wrote in message
news:7gj3f5d4gujv2v9gq...@4ax.com...
> property taxes, by proxy through rent to the owner.
Right now, I "thank God" for a place to live that I can afford,
regardless of whether what I pay helps defray the landlord's cost
to own the place or not.
Bill
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>
> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>
> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
But there's a message in the results of a few races.
Take a look at the New York 23rd district congressional race. Where the GOP
candidate wasn't judged to be "conservative enough" by the crackpot wing of
the party. So they* back a third party candidate, the GOP candidate drops
out and supports the Democratic candidate and the Dems win.
It appears as though the GOP 'core' is willing to drive off anyone socially
moderate, in spite of their fiscal responsibility or pro-business
positions. The GOP has been hijacked by nut cases from the trailer parks.
*'They' includes such noteworthy figures as Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.
--
Paul Hovnanian pa...@hovnanian.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have gnu, will travel.
Jim Thompson
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>
>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>
>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>
>But there's a message in the results of a few races.
>
>Take a look at the New York 23rd district congressional race. Where the GOP
>candidate wasn't judged to be "conservative enough" by the crackpot wing of
>the party. So they* back a third party candidate, the GOP candidate drops
>out and supports the Democratic candidate and the Dems win.
>
>It appears as though the GOP 'core' is willing to drive off anyone socially
>moderate, in spite of their fiscal responsibility or pro-business
>positions. The GOP has been hijacked by nut cases from the trailer parks.
>
>*'They' includes such noteworthy figures as Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.
And the Democrat party has been hijacked by queers, fairies,
vegetarians, PITA, socialists and Prius drivers ;-)
Enjoy your taxes. You're stuck with them. I'm not.
...Jim Thompson
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Obama says, "I AM NOT a cry baby, Fox REALLY IS out to get me!"
Ouroboros Rex
> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>
>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>
>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>
> But there's a message in the results of a few races.
>
> Take a look at the New York 23rd district congressional race. Where
> the GOP candidate wasn't judged to be "conservative enough" by the
> crackpot wing of the party. So they* back a third party candidate,
> the GOP candidate drops out and supports the Democratic candidate and
> the Dems win.
>
> It appears as though the GOP 'core' is willing to drive off anyone
> socially moderate, in spite of their fiscal responsibility or
> pro-business positions. The GOP has been hijacked by nut cases from
> the trailer parks.
>
> *'They' includes such noteworthy figures as Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.
Yep, and they have come up with a whole hit list of other moderate
republicans they'd rather replace with democrats, too. 2010 should be
interesting. lol
Bob Eld
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
>
> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>
> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
You can laugh all you want but the Dems just picked up another house seat.
The most significant thing is the loss of the ultra right wing CONservative
trying to win the hearts and minds of the republican party. Most
republicans (except maybe you) don't want to turn in the direction of Glen
Beck and Sarah Palin. Take a hard look at 157 years of being republican,
then keep on laughing! Hee Hee
John Fields
>That's nice but the issue was taxes.
---
You've never seen a thread change streams in mid-horse???
JF
Martin Riddle
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:3vb3f5pj73b9n1nkg...@4ax.com...
At least they'll be new trucks.
<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_bi_ge/us_cash_for_clunkers>
Cheers
Jim Thompson
Naaaaah! They'll be Ford F150's ;-)
mpm
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> messagenews:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
>
> > Hee! Hee! Hee!
>
> > If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>
> > Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>
> > ...Jim Thompson
>
> You can laugh all you want but the Dems just picked up another house seat.
> The most significant thing is the loss of the ultra right wing CONservative
> trying to win the hearts and minds of the republican party. Most
> republicans (except maybe you) don't want to turn in the direction of Glen
> Beck and Sarah Palin. Take a hard look at 157 years of being republican,
> then keep on laughing! Hee Hee
He can have all the (Rep) Govenors he wants.
It's the House and Senate that will pass all the legislation he
abhors...
And I wouldn't get too excited anyway.
Mid-terms traditionally have low turnout anyway, and they probably
will trend Republican as a result.
But no imact on 2012.
Unless Palin gets a brain transplant or something.
Jim Yanik
news:t6q3f5p94chjfcd05...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:15:44 -0500, "Garberstreet Electronics"
><will...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
> That's nice but the issue was taxes.
>
the taxes are for SERVICES that the property owner(or rental tenant)
benefits from;like fire,police,roads,and so on.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
Jim Yanik
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:27:32 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>
>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>
>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>
>>But there's a message in the results of a few races.
>>
>>Take a look at the New York 23rd district congressional race. Where
>>the GOP candidate
was a RINO.
>> wasn't judged to be "conservative enough" by the
>>crackpot wing of the party. So they* back a third party candidate, the
>>GOP candidate drops out and supports the Democratic candidate
thus proving she's a RINO.
>>and the
>>Dems win.
>>
>>It appears as though the GOP 'core' is willing to drive off anyone
>>socially moderate, in spite of their fiscal responsibility or
>>pro-business positions. The GOP has been hijacked by nut cases from
>>the trailer parks.
typical DemocRAT/"progressive" denigration of those who disagree with them.
>>
>>*'They' includes such noteworthy figures as Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.
>
> And the Democrat party has been hijacked by queers, fairies,
> vegetarians, PITA, socialists and Prius drivers ;-)
and extreme LEFT wing radicals like bombers Ayers & Dohrn,Cass Sunstein,Van
Jones,et al.
Jim Yanik
news:88o3f5ddi6koo4fdp...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:27:32 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>
>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>
>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>
>>But there's a message in the results of a few races.
>
> I agree
>
>>
>>Take a look at the New York 23rd district congressional race.
>
> Ok
>
>> Where the GOP
>>candidate
>
> Was not picked by any primary.
>
>> wasn't judged to be "conservative enough" by the crackpot wing of
>>the party.
>
> The so called 'crackpot' made a damn good showing for having no
> support from either of the 'major' parties. And by "damn good" I don't
> mean the typical 'third party' 10% 'damn good'. He lost 49% to 45%
>
>> So they* back a third party candidate,
>
> You mean, as opposed to having one picked 'for' them?
>
>> the GOP candidate drops
>>out and supports the Democratic candidate and the Dems win.
>
> "For the good of the Republican Party," or so she said.
yeah,that was SO "good for the Republican Party" to throw support to the
opposition party.
>
>
>>It appears as though the GOP 'core' is willing to drive off anyone
>>socially moderate, in spite of their fiscal responsibility or
>>pro-business positions.
>
> Says who?
>
> How about checking that bastion of 'right wing kookisness' the Daily
> Kos?
>
> http://www.rbguy.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/1/788504/-NY-23:-The-mo
> st-liberal-candidate-leads-(and-its-not-the-Dem%2529
>
> "Dede Scozzafava, the Republican, is actually the most liberal
> candidate in the race. (Heck, she has run on the very liberal Working
> Families Party ballot line in the past.)
there's those inconvenient FACTS that "progressives" ignore or deny.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
[snip]
>
> And the Democrat party has been hijacked by queers, fairies,
> vegetarians, PITA, socialists and Prius drivers ;-)
Not hijacked. The Democrats just don't see the need to stick their noses
in everyone's private lives. Its simple math that most businesses
understand. Why voluntarily reduce your market share by pissing off
potential customers?
This is what has me worried about the GOP. They've totally lost touch
with the traditional values of sensible regulation, fiscal
responsibility and keeping the nanny state at bay. Now its all about the
social agenda while our economy goes to hell.
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Pa...@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
How do I set a laser printer to stun?
Phil Hobbs
It's sort of a long haul to Manhattan from there, though... ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>Naaaaah! They'll be Ford F150's ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Fords, AND their owners are retarded.
ehsjr
> Oppie wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>> in message news:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>
>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>
>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>
>> We had a republican win over the 3 term dem county executive
>> (Westchester, NY).
>> Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken
>> by dems.
>> One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by
>> the courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me
>> suspicious but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties.
>> A big write-in campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the
>> next week.
>> http://www.lohud.com/
>
>
> Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
>
Probably more in Scaresdale or Larchmont or Rye - maybe others as
well. :-( But thank goodness we got rid of Spano.
Ed
Mycelium
<freed...@example.net> wrote:
>
>But hey, what's ten bucks tax on a $100.00 suit? ;-)
I pay $20 tax on a $200 suit in this town already. That is AFTER I
already paid #0% tax on the income that left me with the $200 to buy the
suit with.
Mycelium
>
>The renter can also "thank God" for the privilege of paying property
>taxes, by proxy through rent to the owner.
Renters are the most ripped off citizens this country has ever had.
ESPECIALLY now.
Property owners that let out their properties, and developers that make
apt complexes they then fail to maintain worth a fuck are the biggest
thieves in the country.
ChrisQ
>
> Fords, AND their owners are retarded.
Ford have ridden out the recession without any handouts from the
government if my info is correct and they are making a profit at the mo
as well. which is more than can be said for GM. Why is this ?. Because
they make economical, well designed, reliable and unpretentious cars
that people actually want to buy.
I don't and have never run a Ford, but am impressed by their engineering
prowess and ability to produce good all round designs on a consistent
basis. At least, that is, in Europe...
Regards,
Chris
Jim Yanik
news:4AF24CF4...@hovnanian.com:
> Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
> [snip]
>>
>> And the Democrat party has been hijacked by queers, fairies,
>> vegetarians, PITA, socialists and Prius drivers ;-)
>
> Not hijacked. The Democrats just don't see the need to stick their noses
> in everyone's private lives. Its simple math that most businesses
> understand. Why voluntarily reduce your market share by pissing off
> potential customers?
>
> This is what has me worried about the GOP. They've totally lost touch
> with the traditional values of sensible regulation,
Ah,that is why DemocRATs Barney Frank and Chris Dodd blocked Republican
efforts to regulate FannieMae/FreddieMac more tightly.(and personally
benefitting from it)
and thereafter,the economy tanked due to their failure to act.
Or that CO2 is now a "greenhouse gas"(to be regulated,of course),real
sensible.....
Or by blocking clean nuclear power(by closing Yucca Mtn),preventing new
domestic oil and gas drilling without having anything to take it's
place,and meanwhile spending more on FOREIGN oil.
REAL "sensible"(if you want USA to decline)
> fiscal
> responsibility
As if Obama/DemocRATs are "fiscally responsible"....
>and keeping the nanny state at bay.
Cognitive dissonance;
the DemocRATS -are- the "nanny state";
their basic position is that people need more government to regulate them
and show them how to live.That blacks/minorities(except Asians) need
Affirmative Action because they aren't equal to whites. Etc.
>Now its all about the
> social agenda while our economy goes to hell.
>
It's going to Hell -BECAUSE- of the DemocRATs/"progressives" and their
policies.
you have everything backwards.
Jim Yanik
news:4AF24CF4...@hovnanian.com:
> This is what has me worried about the GOP. They've totally lost touch
> with the traditional values of sensible regulation, fiscal
> responsibility and keeping the nanny state at bay. Now its all about the
> social agenda while our economy goes to hell.
>
OH,yeah,its also "real sensible" to increase taxes and expect an already
faltering economy to improve....
John Fields
>Yes, I have but when one begins with "read what you yourself wrote
>(about taxes)" followed by "quit complaining" then they're talking
>about taxes too regardless of doing a zippity do da whirligig around
>it.
>
>To wit, if taxes were lower then more people might "thank God" they
>could afford a home or spend less on rent, like maybe enough to send
>their kid(s) to college, and if taxes were higher more people might
>'thank God' they can't afford a home or pay more for rent, like maybe
>so much they can't afford to send their kid(s) to college.
>
>I just find the "thank God" government hasn't taxed you out of house
>and home yet, so quit complaining, to be a specious argument. Taxes
>are an unfortunate necessity (the degree of which being debatable),
>not something to be 'prized' and sought after, Gomez Addams (Season 2,
>Episode 5) notwithstanding.
---
Actually, it should be: "I just find the: "thank God government hasn't
taxed you out of house and home yet, so quit complaining", to be a
specious argument."
Even better: "I just find: "thank God government hasn't taxed you out of
house and home yet, so quit complaining", to be a specious argument.
The best, I think, would be: "I just find: "Thank God the government
hasn't taxed you out of house and home yet, so quit complaining", to be
a specious argument."
JF
Jim Thompson
wrote:
What do you expect from a DemocRAT fairy ?:-)
Oppie
"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote in message
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>
> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
Did you see Phil Reisman's column in the morning paper on the Spano -
Astorino battle for county exec? I love his columns and this was another
time I laughed my arse off.
"http://www.lohud.com/article/20091105/COLUMNIST08/911050348/1010/Angry%20voters%20make%20a%20monkey%20out%20of%20Spano"
As a fellow westchester-ite, I feel your pain. In White Plains, 'Boss' Bill
Ryan was on our ballot. So far it's a pretty close race with Hyland. No love
lost if Ryan looses <grin>.
Robert Oppenheimer
PeterD
<myce...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:03:30 -0600, flipper <fli...@fish.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>The renter can also "thank God" for the privilege of paying property
>>taxes, by proxy through rent to the owner.
>
>
> Renters are the most ripped off citizens this country has ever had.
>ESPECIALLY now.
>
Care to explain?
JW
Message id: <RezIm.26616$ep1....@newsfe30.ams2>:
>I don't and have never run a Ford, but am impressed by their engineering
>prowess and ability to produce good all round designs on a consistent
>basis. At least, that is, in Europe...
I just retired my '86 F150 last spring. 302K miles on it without an engine
rebuild. Replaced it with lightly used low mileage '07 Ford Escape. I'll
stick with Ford in my driveway...
alie...@gmail.com
wrote:
> "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote in message
>
> news:30f63$4af1b8dd$d8baf3ed$81...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote
> > in messagenews:NuSdnfY41tFpMGzX...@supernews.com...
> >> Oppie wrote:
>
> >>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> >>> messagenews:v3u1f5dir35ilp8aj...@4ax.com...
> >>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>
> >>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>
> >>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>
> >>>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> >>> We had a republican win over the 3 term dem county executive
> >>> (Westchester, NY).
> >>> Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken by
> >>> dems.
> >>> One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by the
> >>> courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me
> >>> suspicious but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties. A
> >>> big write-in campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the next
> >>> week.
> >>>http://www.lohud.com/
>
> >> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>
> >> Cheers
>
> >> Phil Hobbs
>
> > you should not have to pay the government to live in it. (paying for
> > the rest of your life) Makes me mad just thinking about it!
> > Mike
>
> Read what you yourself wrote. You "pay for your home" and are then
> taxed for the right to live on the property, or ground it sets on.
If you're paying for it, it's a privilege, not a right.
I agree with amdx; property taxes are theft/protection racket/just
WRONG.
> Check out rental costs on similar properties in the same area, and
> then quit complaining and thank God that you have it so good.
Screw gods. Why the hell aren't churches taxed like my house is?
Mark L. Fergerson
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
It isn't the Democrats trying to tell me what I can watch on TV, or read, or
what 7 words I can't hear on the radio. Or who can marry whom. Or how many
feet I've got to stay away from the strippers.
--
Paul Hovnanian pa...@hovnanian.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have gnu, will travel.
Jim Thompson
You've been drinking too much of the kool-aid. Obama is the one that
wants to regulate radio and TV (via his nutcase FCC Chairman). And,
even more scary, it's Obama who wants to regulate the Internet (in the
style of China... allow no dissent).
>Or who can marry whom.
Read my "libertarian" post of earlier today.
>Or how many
>feet I've got to stay away from the strippers.
That's local government. Where do you live, Indiana? Last time I was
there I wasn't even allowed to carry my drink from the bar to the
dining room ;-)
amdx
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>
> "amdx" <am...@knology.net> wrote in message
> news:30f63$4af1b8dd$d8baf3ed$81...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>>>> news:NuSdnfY41tFpMGzX...@supernews.com...
>>> Oppie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>>>> Hee! Hee! Hee!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't know why I'm laughing, you're terribly under-informed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Talk about hope and change... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>>
>>>> We had a republican win over the 3 term dem county executive
>>>> (Westchester, NY).
>>>> Unfortunately, the city of White Plains election seems to be all taken
>>>> by dems.
>>>> One independent challenger for mayor had his petition thrown out by the
>>>> courts because of a mis-understanding about filing date. Call me
>>>> suspicious but the only other candidate was endorsed by both parties. A
>>>> big write-in campaign resulted. We'll see how that works out in the
>>>> next week.
>>>> http://www.lohud.com/
>>>
>>> Hopefully our taxes will stop increasing so fast. $12.5k for a raised
>>> ranch on half an acre. Sheesh.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>
>> My opinion is property taxes are wrong, once you pay for your home, you
>> should not have to pay the government to live in it. (paying for the rest
>> of your life) Makes me mad just thinking about it!
>> Mike
>
> Read what you yourself wrote. You "pay for your home" and are then taxed
> for the right to live on the property, or ground it sets on.
> quit complaining and thank God that you have it so good.
Bill, I don't get your point, my wife and I have had a lower middle
income, we lived frugally and saved our money. I know people
that made a lot more money but have a lot less, that's there problem not
mine.
Why should I check rental prices, I own my home. But I have to keep paying
the government, and so do you, if you rent.
I'll complain if I want, and thank who or whatever I want.
Cash for clunkers;
What a stupid idea, made a blip in sales and a downturn after demand was
used up,
now you have to pay more for a used car cause they destroyed 600,000 cars.
Stimulus money;
Seems what has been spent has went into making more (saving) government
jobs.
That's just what we need! (sarcasm)
Bailing out GM;
I mean paying the union for votes.
The investors should have gotten paid not the union.
They should have went bankrupt, and reduced their cost of production.
Welfare;
I know a healthy adult male useing food stamps.
Did I mention he also has a camera phone that has texting and
an internet connection.
I'd like to continue but I need to do some work.
Somebody's got to do it.
Ahhh! Mike
Jim Yanik
That's NOTHING compared to what the DemocRATs/"progressives" do with their
"political correctness",speech codes,and thought-crime legislation.
Also their free speech suppression by causing disruptions at colleges,pie
attacks on conservative speakers,shoutdowns when conservatives try to
speak,etc.
and it seems that DemocRATS/"progressives" ARE trying to tell you what you
can't watch on TV or listen to on radio,thru their "Fairness Doctrine"
suppression of opinion they don't like.
DemocRATs ARE the "nanny state".
Their entire platform is CONTROL. and their practice.
after all,they're just a lesser version of the Soviet Union.
(who also considered themselves "progressives".)
"We know what's best for you" is the DemocRATic motto.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
There's a cure for the college types. Don't hire anyone under 45
years of age... starve 'em out ;-)
Or, as Long Shanks would say, "Breed 'em out." ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Liberalism is a persistent vegetative state
Jim Yanik
interesting how you edited out this part of my post;
"their basic position is that people need more government to regulate them
and show them how to live.That blacks/minorities(except Asians) need
Affirmative Action because they aren't equal to whites. Etc."
but left in all the other non-pertinent stuff about economy,CO2,nuclear.
Very telling.
you simply cannot escape the FACT that the DemocRAT position is MORE
GOVERNMENT,more regulation,more taxes,more handouts,more CONTROL.
Obama even wants to determine private business executive pay and perks.
add in Internet control,"Fairness Doctrine" media control,using NEA Arts
funds to spread his messages and indoctrination.
IOW,"nanny state". Big Brother.(they've even brought out ThoughtCrime.)
>
> It isn't the Democrats trying to tell me what I can watch on TV, or
> read, or what 7 words I can't hear on the radio. Or who can marry
> whom. Or how many feet I've got to stay away from the strippers.
>
Paul,you are SO blind. A whack with a "clue stick" wouldn't even fix you.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
What's a "clue stick" ?:-) Is that like a cudgel? I received crowd
control training using a cudgel when I was an Explorer Scout (Police
Department sponsored... maybe that will be handy for dealing with
leftist weenies ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Obama says, "I AM NOT a cry baby, Fox REALLY IS out to get me!"
Jim Yanik
http://www.allwords.com/word-clue+stick.html
a metaphorical stick used to beat information or understanding into a slow
learner.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
I was going to remark that Hovnanian IS quite the slow learner. But,
considering his leftist "bent", not at all unusual... he'll never
learn :-(
...Jim Thompson
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krw
>StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
>
>>
>> Fords, AND their owners are retarded.
>
>Ford have ridden out the recession without any handouts from the
>government if my info is correct and they are making a profit at the mo
>as well.
$100M in 3Q. Not bad, considering the others.
>which is more than can be said for GM. Why is this ?. Because
>they make economical, well designed, reliable and unpretentious cars
>that people actually want to buy.
I have two Fords. Don't want pretentious (though SWMBO wants a 2010
Mustang ragtop). I want transportation. Both have been fairly
reliable, though the NE salt got to my Ranger ($3000 later).
>I don't and have never run a Ford, but am impressed by their engineering
>prowess and ability to produce good all round designs on a consistent
>basis. At least, that is, in Europe...
The European models have historically been quite different than the US
models.
Mycelium
It is pretty blatantly obvious. Unless you are a total retard, you
shouldn't need an explanation.
Michael A. Terrell
Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> What's a "clue stick" ?:-) Is that like a cudgel? I received crowd
> control training using a cudgel when I was an Explorer Scout (Police
> Department sponsored... maybe that will be handy for dealing with
> leftist weenies ;-)
You're way behind the times. These days you need a 'Clue by four'.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Mycelium
>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:26:41 -0800, Mycelium
><myce...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:03:30 -0600, flipper <fli...@fish.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>The renter can also "thank God" for the privilege of paying property
>>>taxes, by proxy through rent to the owner.
>>
>>
>> Renters are the most ripped off citizens this country has ever had.
>>ESPECIALLY now.
>
>And what did Obama do to renters he hasn't done to everyone else?
Who said anything about Obama in my post. I am talking about since the
sixties. Property developers have been sucking away Americans' wallets
for decades. Simple observation of the graphs tells all.
What graphs, you ask? Look at wages over the DOT job list table from
the 50s through the new millennia, and look at other things like water
and sewage, and trash hauling and DOCTOR WAGES and RENT rates, etc. etc.
etc.
When I graduated from high school in '78, the guys that graduated the
year before and the year before paid like $250 a month for a 2 br
apartment, AND they were able to sock away $100 a week, AND the gas and
electric was only about $12 a month. THAT was back when $100 was a LOT of
money.
THAT was just from one week's pay. There were three more after that.
My dad paid less than a week's pay for the mortgage on a 5 br house,
and there were three weeks left for mom to buy 7 bags or more full of
groceries with, and sock away a bunch for weekends in Indiana, and
Christmas, etc.
Now, a "landlord" gets over 3 weeks pay a month from one of these kids,
and the gas and electric gets the rest, and there is hardly anything left
for food.
It is OK though, since most of today's gang boy retard kids are all on
Meth.
>> Property owners that let out their properties, and developers that make
>>apt complexes they then fail to maintain worth a fuck are the biggest
>>thieves in the country.
>
>Thieves come in all shapes and sizes but I agree, landlords should
>maintain the property.
You should do stand up.
I have seen outlets that will not even hold a plug, and outlets that
would not accept a three-wire due to having a pin broke off in it. 1/2
inch gaps under entry doors with no storm door. Wall mounted heating
units that have had their gratings painted with house enamel that caught
fire when the unit was first used, and put cyanide gas throughout the
room for days on end, when high temp, baked-on enamel is what should have
been used.
Also, if one mentions any such item, it certainly gets upgraded, at
minimal/minimized cost and quality (towel rods that bend when a fly
lights on them, etc), the upgrade includes a rent increase that insures
that the cost gets covered several times over and beyond.
The high rent coffers are what they are supposed to use to do any
maintenance from, and it NOT "jack the rent". Every little excuse.
The main one is the bastard thinking he deserves a new Cadillac every
other year, and that I should pay for it.
THEY are who deserves a depressed economy. THEY are the ones that
should be rent controlled, or be forced to put back some of what WE give.
Fuck the lawyers... Kill the fucking landlords.
>On the other hand, I take it you've never let out a property to see it
>virtually destroyed by the suddenly vanished never to be seen again
>renters.
Any retard that doesn't vet his or her proposed tenant deserves whatever
he or she gets. Also, that is what the security deposit, which can be 2X
the rent, is for.
Also, renting for a reasonable rate will usually result in civil
relationships between lessor and lessee.
>As I said, thieves come in all shapes and sizes.
I think all you stupid allegory turkeys are... turkeys. There is
something you steal. Mainly- thinking that you are funny, when such is
not always the case, and in many cases, if ever.
Joe Chisolm
[snip]
>> What's a "clue stick" ?:-) Is that like a cudgel? I received crowd
>> control training using a cudgel when I was an Explorer Scout (Police
>> Department sponsored... maybe that will be handy for dealing with
>> leftist weenies ;-)
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> http://www.allwords.com/word-clue+stick.html
>
> a metaphorical stick used to beat information or understanding into a
> slow learner.
You mean a cattle prod (aka hot-shot). They work wonders to dumb
cows, mean bulls and the clueless.
--
Joe Chisolm
Marble Falls, Tx.
You never want to hear your pilot say:
"wonder what this button does"
ChrisQ
> The European models have historically been quite different than the US
> models.
They are more compact, fuel efficient and handle better, but that may be
just what's wanted right now if they start importing them.
The car I always dreamed about years ago was a shelby gt390 and sod the
fuel consumption, but I may have been influenced just a bit by bullet.
Far too expensive now. There's nothing quite like the offbeat note of a
big well tuned v8 on full chat :-)...
Regards,
Chris
robb
home, you
> should
> not have to pay the government to live in it. (paying for the
rest of your
> life)
> Makes me mad just thinking about it!
> Mike
>
i like to think of it as land rental.
an effective gov. method of reminding people they do not really
own the land they are just renting it, seeing as they can evict
you from it whether your home owner member ship fee is paid for
fully or not.
robb
UltimatePatriot
HOAs are yet another rip off of the American people.
don
Its cheaper then hiring a private security company.
Its cheaper then hiring a private fire department.
And there is no competition to drive the price up.
don
robb
<don> wrote in message
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isn't that called extortion ?
the prices go up all the time. The gov was blinded, greedly
watching the value of the homes rise during the bubble to raise
the rent accordingly.
the *customer* quickly becomes the rif-raf if they can not pay
robb
Jim Yanik
news:luWdnc5m3sxFxGXX...@earthlink.com:
It's a protection racket.
the Gov't takes money and provides "protection".
Of course,these days,you need protection more from the Gov't than anyone
else.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> robb wrote:
>> "amdx" <am...@knology.net> wrote in message
>> news:30f63$4af1b8dd$d8baf3ed$81...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>>> My opinion is property taxes are wrong, once you pay for your
>> home, you
>>> should
>>> not have to pay the government to live in it. (paying for the
>> rest of your
>>> life)
>>> Makes me mad just thinking about it!
>>>
>> reminding people they do not really own the land they are just renting
>> it, seeing as they can evict you from it whether your home owner member
>> ship fee is paid for fully or not.
>>
>
> Its cheaper then hiring a private security company. Its cheaper then
> hiring a private fire department.
>
> And there is no competition to drive the price up.
In this day and age, how can there be people who don't grasp the simple
fact that competition drives prices _DOWN_?
Of course, all sane people know that taxation is theft.
Thanks,
Rich
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > And the Democrat party has been hijacked by queers, fairies,
> > vegetarians, PITA, socialists and Prius drivers ;-)
>
> Not hijacked. The Democrats just don't see the need to stick their noses
> in everyone's private lives.
To the contrary. Democrats are now dictating everything from what
lightbulbs you're allowed to use to how you may for your retirement,
and how much water your toilet can use. They control your bank, your
health care, they own your mortgage...and they require you fund these
things for your neighbors.
> Its simple math that most businesses
> understand. Why voluntarily reduce your market share by pissing off
> potential customers?
>
> This is what has me worried about the GOP. They've totally lost touch
> with the traditional values of sensible regulation, fiscal
> responsibility and keeping the nanny state at bay.
True, but improving. Bush funded the ideas of both parties, earning
the enmity of both. For the Democrats, any spending is never enough;
for Republicans, he'd abandoned fiscal prudence.
> Now its all about the social agenda while our economy goes to hell.
Resisting fiscally irresponsible social policies is part of saving the
economy. Witness California where the D's and their infinite handouts
reign. It's a disaster.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> "Garberstreet Electronics" wrote:
Ad in seen in two local papers: "Get food stamps? Get a free cell
phone!" From a govm't agency--think it was Health and Human Services.
True story.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Joel Koltner
news:c9a8b900-3812-44e2...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> Ad in seen in two local papers: "Get food stamps? Get a free cell
> phone!" From a govm't agency--think it was Health and Human Services.
The well-intentioned reasoning behind that is that it's probably a lot easier
to get a job if you have a cell phone.
How many of those receiving food stamps are good folks who are "down on their
luck" vs. welfare kings and queens is, of course, an eternal debate, so it's
difficult to ascertain how useful such a program really is.
Cell phones are the next best thing to free these days anyway for the basic
models -- it's the montly cost that will get you: It's difficult to find plans
that are less than $30-$40/month, which is still a significant chunk of change
to some people.
Michael A. Terrell
Its an extension of the old 'Lifeline phone service' program. That is
basic, local only service for under $15 a month. It doesn't include any
options, and if you want anything added, you can't get 'Lifeline'. What
they do is waive all the federal & state taxes on basic local phone
service. Here in Florida, that brings the price down to about $12.50 a
month so you can make local calls, call your doctor or 911. The limited
cell phone service isn't much better.
Jim Thompson
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
><dagmarg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:c9a8b900-3812-44e2...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>> Ad in seen in two local papers: "Get food stamps? Get a free cell
>> phone!" From a govm't agency--think it was Health and Human Services.
>
>The well-intentioned reasoning behind that is that it's probably a lot easier
>to get a job if you have a cell phone.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
>
>How many of those receiving food stamps are good folks who are "down on their
>luck" vs. welfare kings and queens is, of course, an eternal debate, so it's
>difficult to ascertain how useful such a program really is.
>
>Cell phones are the next best thing to free these days anyway for the basic
>models -- it's the montly cost that will get you: It's difficult to find plans
>that are less than $30-$40/month, which is still a significant chunk of change
>to some people.
>
...Jim Thompson
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GO GREEN!
Recycle Congress
In 2010
Joel Koltner
cell phones).
---Joel
Joel Koltner
message
So I've heard.
But we all know you're a very charitable guy, Jim, you're just very choosy
about who you donate money to! :-)
Jim Thompson
I donate to food banks, and non-profits that employ handicapped
persons and disable veterans.
I resent leftist weenies dictating donating my income to leftist
weenie causes.
...Jim Thompson
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Liberal, Leftist and Democrat are polite aphorisms for YELLOW.
Joel Koltner
> I donate to food banks, and non-profits that employ handicapped
> persons and disable veterans.
That's commendable.
> I resent leftist weenies dictating donating my income to leftist
> weenie causes.
Understood. Some of those leftist-weenies probably figure that the military
should be funded via donations though! (I'm sure you've seen the bumper
stickers that espouse how it'll be a great day when schools get all the money
they need and the military has to hold a bake sale... :-( Not that education
isn't important, but geez, how out of touch can they be...)
Semi-democracy is most annoying at times...
Michael A. Terrell
Indeed. That would lead to a situation like Iraq, where the military
commandeered school buildings.
> Semi-democracy is most annoying at times...
Almost as annoying as the semi intellegent types that come up with
those hare brain ideas. :(
krw
Yeah, he donates it his favorite charity, the IRS.
Jim Thompson
Ain't that the truth :-(
Although, in this downturn, I've been scraping by on my retirement
income, and essentially zero tax... which probably infuriates the
leftist weenies no end ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Liberal, Leftist and Democrat are polite aphorisms for YELLOW.
krw
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>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:27:27 -0600, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:37:45 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
>><zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>>>message
>>>> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
>>>
>>>So I've heard.
>>>
>>>But we all know you're a very charitable guy, Jim, you're just very choosy
>>>about who you donate money to! :-)
>>
>>Yeah, he donates it his favorite charity, the IRS.
>
>Ain't that the truth :-(
>
>Although, in this downturn, I've been scraping by on my retirement
>income, and essentially zero tax... which probably infuriates the
>leftist weenies no end ;-)
Not working? ...or are you already off-shore. ;-)
Jim Thompson
All of my earned income is now off-shore. So I need to sit down with
my attorneys and figure out how to play it.
...Jim Thompson
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Obama thinks the term "bully pulpit" actually means "pulpit bully"
Jim Yanik
news:Lj2Km.193776$Jp1.1...@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com:
Tracfone has economical deals for low volume users,and their reconditioned
phones are very low cost,if not free.I saw one Tracfone priced at $8.
ChrisQ
>>
> Its not rental, it a fee to keep the rif-raf out of your property.
>
> Its cheaper then hiring a private security company.
> Its cheaper then hiring a private fire department.
>
> And there is no competition to drive the price up.
>
> don
I can just see it now. Your house is burning down, so you call your fire
insurance to come and put the fire out. Meanwhile, the fire spreads to
the two adjacent houses. Your fire insurance refuses to put the other
two out and they don't have fire insurance, so the whole street,
including your house, ends up burning down anyway.
No free lunch where profit is involved and some things are better
handled on a community / state / federal level. The argument will always
be where to draw the line, but the more civilised a society becomes, the
more the overall burden for any service will to be shared as it should
be (not saying that it always is) cheaper that way due to economies of
scale.
So what happens in a conventional or nuclear war ?. I guess we all build
our own icmbm's ?...
Regards,
Chris
Joel Koltner
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> Tracfone has economical deals for low volume users,and their reconditioned
> phones are very low cost,if not free.I saw one Tracfone priced at $8.
Good to know.
AT&T "GoPhone" plans are "pay as you go" with your choice of... $0.25/miunte
(period), $1/day (but only on days you make calls) and then $0.10/minute, and
$3/day (on days you make calls) and then free minutes. You do end up spending
at least $8.33/month on average, though, based on, e.g., $25 credits lasting 3
months before expiration. Still, $8.33/mo minimum without any contracts,
credit checks, etc. is pretty darned good, and for people who really don't
talk much they could realistically keep their bills to, say, <$20/mo.
A lot of younger people very seldom talk on their phones at all and instead
use text messaging almost exclusively... my wife's 18-year-old cousin does
that, with a $20/mo "unlimited messaging" package; his average bill is <$25/mo
because of this.
Interestingly, GoPhone plans also get you $0.25/minute roaming while in
Mexico, which is *much* less than, e.g., what I get on a regular contract plan
with Sprint -- $1.69/minute!
I think someone (well, Wireless Maritime Services, in particular) is making a
fairly tidy profit on "Cruise Ship Roaming," wherein the cruise ship becomes a
micro-cell with satellite links back to the rest of the world... at
$2.49/minute. I was on a short cruise recently, and while I didn't make any
calls, I did hop on the Internet for a couple of 15-minute sessions --
normally $0.75/minute, but a couple times discounted to roughly half-price.
(And when drinks are $6/ea, suddenly the Internet also being upwards of that
much for 15 minutes doesn't seem all that bad!) It was a bit slow, though --
the guy said that for the entire ship their satellite link was all of 256kbps.
---Joel
Joel Koltner
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> So what happens in a conventional or nuclear war ?. I guess we all build our
> own icmbm's ?...
No, just your own fallout shelter. Quite popular back in the '50s/'60s, as
you're probably aware. :-)
I liked your post and agree with the philosophy -- being a proper society
involves everyone sacrificing (effectively, being taxed) to some extent, even
though those sacrifices often won't directly benefit particular individuals,
and the Big Question is just how much sacrifice is reasonable to require of
your fellow citizen for the good of the whole. Most people are pretty
generous, but they're concerned that others will take unlimited advantage of
that generosity (the "why should I pay for a lazy bum's food stamps?"
argument) and that their generosity is largely wasted (the "look how
inefficient government is relative to private industry!" argument). With
advances in communications, it's now easier than ever to find plenty of
support regardless of how far towards crack-pot you are (on *any* edge of the
political spectrum)...
---Joel
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> don wrote:
>
> > Its not rental, it a fee to keep the rif-raf out of your property.
>
> > Its cheaper then hiring a private security company.
> > Its cheaper then hiring a private fire department.
>
> > And there is no competition to drive the price up.
>
> > don
>
> I can just see it now. Your house is burning down, so you call your fire
> insurance to come and put the fire out. Meanwhile, the fire spreads to
> the two adjacent houses. Your fire insurance refuses to put the other
> two out and they don't have fire insurance, so the whole street,
> including your house, ends up burning down anyway.
>
> No free lunch where profit is involved and some things are better
> handled on a community / state / federal level. The argument will always
> be where to draw the line, but the more civilised a society becomes, the
> more the overall burden for any service will to be shared as it should
> be (not saying that it always is) cheaper that way due to economies of
> scale.
So, it's cheaper to call someone in Washington to ask whether it's
okay to water your lawn, or get permission to buy a medical device, or
would it be simpler, faster, and easier to ask local authorities?
Economies of scale don't always scale. Central control inherently
adds people between the guy with the need and the information, and the
permission-givers.
Nothing our government does is cheaper. They've got the wrong
incentive structure: bureaucrats can't be fired, get no reward for
innovating. Politicians' incentive is to spend as much money as they
possibly can: every cent dispersed pleases someone somewhere; every
cent cut makes someone mad.
By contrast, private industry is a group of innovators fiercely
competing to best one another on all fronts--cost, service, quality,
etc.
Government is needed, but less is more. The government that governs
least, governs best.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Joel Koltner
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> Economies of scale don't always scale. Central control inherently
> adds people between the guy with the need and the information, and the
> permission-givers.
Only if the guys "down the line" don't have any authority to give persmission.
I mean, "central control" is exactly how most businesses traditionally
operated, you know? -- You might have signature authority to spend, say, $500,
your boss might have signature authority for $10,000, etc. It's quite
reasonable, though, that if you want to spend a million bucks, you're going to
need to wait for the board of directors to meet and not get a quick decision.
> Nothing our government does is cheaper.
It's difficult to make a fair comparison, though. E.g., you want parcel
delivery: Well, UPS doesn't cover everyone out in the boonies -- they just
hand off to USPS to do that! Hence, while UPS operates more efficienctly than
the USPS -- and while I wouldn't claim there isn't plenty of unnecessary
inefficiency in the USPS -- to an extent government-run programs are
inefficient because they try to provide for EVERYONE rather than just "those
who will be profitable." The same idea applies to government-run health care
(no one is refused care due to pre-existing conditions, which can be quite
unprofitable to cover, obviously), schools (just try to get a private school
to take a retarded child or those with behavioral problems...), phone/Internet
service (the government largely subsidizes those out in the boonies), etc.
> They've got the wrong
> incentive structure: bureaucrats can't be fired, get no reward for
> innovating.
I agree that this is a problem.
> Politicians' incentive is to spend as much money as they
> possibly can: every cent dispersed pleases someone somewhere; every
> cent cut makes someone mad.
OK, but at the end of the day they have to get re-elected, and I think
everyone realizes that tax dollars come from their own pockets, so the more
you tax people, the less likely you should be to gete re-elected, all else
being equal. While it often doesn't work this way, that's a failure of the
people and not the system.
> By contrast, private industry is a group of innovators fiercely
> competing to best one another on all fronts--cost, service, quality,
> etc.
You might be surprised just how woefully inefficient much of private industry
is. Particularly when it comes to things like, say, waste management where
there isn't exactly a lot of competition...
---Joel
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Nothing our government does is cheaper.
>
> It's difficult to make a fair comparison, though. E.g., you want parcel
> delivery: Well, UPS doesn't cover everyone out in the boonies -- they just
> hand off to USPS to do that! Hence, while UPS operates more efficienctly than
> the USPS -- and while I wouldn't claim there isn't plenty of unnecessary
> inefficiency in the USPS -- to an extent government-run programs are
> inefficient because they try to provide for EVERYONE rather than just "those
> who will be profitable." The same idea applies to government-run health care
> (no one is refused care due to pre-existing conditions, which can be quite
> unprofitable to cover, obviously), schools (just try to get a private school
> to take a retarded child or those with behavioral problems...), phone/Internet
> service (the government largely subsidizes those out in the boonies), etc.
>
> > They've got the wrong
> > incentive structure: bureaucrats can't be fired, get no reward for
> > innovating.
>
> I agree that this is a problem.
>
> > Politicians' incentive is to spend as much money as they
> > possibly can: every cent dispersed pleases someone somewhere; every
> > cent cut makes someone mad.
>
> OK, but at the end of the day they have to get re-elected, and I think
> everyone realizes that tax dollars come from their own pockets,
No, actually. Not when everyone realizes & expects that today's tax
dollars come from someone else's pocket. Obama-bucks, from the Obama-
stash.(*) That's what Mr. Obama promised: to only tax the few, not
the many. That's what they voted for.
(*) Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19v5Kjmc8FI
so the more
> you tax people, the less likely you should be to gete re-elected, all else
> being equal. While it often doesn't work this way, that's a failure of the
> people and not the system.
>
> > By contrast, private industry is a group of innovators fiercely
> > competing to best one another on all fronts--cost, service, quality,
> > etc.
>
> You might be surprised just how woefully inefficient much of private industry
> is. Particularly when it comes to things like, say, waste management where
> there isn't exactly a lot of competition...
I wouldn't be surprised at all--I've lived it. (One source of
inefficiency: I spent more than 1/3rd my time just planning for and
complying with government regulations. Another 40% went to paying my
taxes.) But private industry's a gleaming pinnacle of perfection
compared to the government I've dealt with.
But let's not deal in abstractions--there's no need.
The preamble on the first page of the health care bill just passed,
H.R.3962, reads:
"A BILL
To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans
and reduce the growth in health care spending, and
for other purposes."
It does none of those things.
Just skim the 1rst 300 pages of the bill--it doesn't take long. It's
the most complicated, convoluted, un-debuggable untested spaghetti-
code, all pasta, cooked to mush, with no sauce and no meatballs. The
algorithms are recursive without limit, fallacies, wrong implicit
assumptions & contradictions abound. It's fuzzy logic.
And yet I have no trouble understanding it. Ugly.
Nuts, frankly. And it costs a fortune.
Defend it. Explain how that's more efficient.
Or, alternatively, explain which medical breakthroughs, medicines,
procedures and devices Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi will innovate,
lowering costs and paying our mortgages?
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Joel Koltner
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> Defend it. Explain how that's more efficient.
Well, you first have to define "efficiency." Certainly it's no problem to
find one individual who couldn't get health care insurance previously and who
will now (potentially) be able to, so for them personally certainly the
efficiency of healthcare has just increased dramatically.
Will it end up making more people overall as healthy or healthier than they
are now for less money than is spend now on health care? That's the billion
dollar question, right? ...and clearly there's great disagreement about the
answer. Even, say, a decade from now, when there'll be lots of historical
data available people will be arguing about it since, again, it all gets back
to how you define the terms.
> Or, alternatively, explain which medical breakthroughs, medicines,
> procedures and devices Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi will innovate,
> lowering costs and paying our mortgages?
Those guys at Bell Labs -- funded through a government-controleled monopoly
(AT&T) -- seemed to do just fine in innovating all sorts of cool technology.
That Salk guy was working on the government dole (the University of Pittsburg)
when he came up with his vaccine for Polio. (Although it is notable that much
funding for polio research came from the -- 100% voluntary -- March of Dimes
rather than taxation. And while I'm getting off topic here, how absurd is it
that Salk often had a hard time finding schooling and jobs only because he was
a Jew? Sheesh!)
---Joel
Rich Grise
> <dagmarg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6ac1477d-66a3-4bf0...@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> Defend it. Explain how that's more efficient.
>
> Well, you first have to define "efficiency."
Efficiency: the ratio of the output to the input of any system.
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aefficiency
Please name _ONE_ instance where government meddling has actually
produced a better result for less money.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Joel Koltner
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> Please name _ONE_ instance where government meddling has actually
> produced a better result for less money.
It's largely an impossible comparison: I could say something like, well, it's
a lot cheaper for me to pay my county taxes and obtain fire protection in the
process than hiring my own private fire brigade, but you'd counter that,
well... maybe it wouldn't be, because certanily my neighbors would help out
with the fire brigade's cost (I wouldn't be funding it single-handedly),
right? -- But it's difficult to know exactly what the numbers would be for the
path not taken.
If we go back to the USPS example for a moment, if it were all privatived
you'd expect that those living in big cities would have substantially lower
costs to send or receive a letter than those living in the boonies where it
clearly costs more to get that mail picked up and delivered, yet somewhere
along the line (centuries back) We The People decided that rather than those
choosing a more rural lifestyle just having to make up that difference
(granted, a lot more people lived rurally in the first place back then), we'd
"level the field" and make regular letters the same postage for everyone,
regardless of how near or far the sender and recipient were. On the other
hand, you can only be generous to a certain extent -- no one would suggest
that for those sending 100lb. parcels that the cost of shipping from San
Francsico to San Diego should be the same as shipping from San Francisdo to
New York City.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: The government IS you and me.
Sure, it's a huge system these days with plenty of problems, but you can see
how it began -- groups of people getting together and semi-deomcratically
deciding that it makes sense to tax all the citizens to pay for that local
fire brigade, soon thereafter a militia to defend the borders, then deciding
to pay for K-12 education, then some protection for those who are unemployed,
then some health care, etc.
While you do have the option of leaving, it's entirely patriotic to instead
stick around and lobby for what you believe in as well to try to reform the
system to what you think would be best -- Jim's writing editorial columns in
his local newspaper absolutely falls into this category. But reasonable
people can disagree on just "how much is too much" when it comes to your
freedom (...to bear arms, to go hunting, to get a woman pregnant and then
leave, etc.) as well as your taxes and entitlements.
---Joel
Jim Yanik
> You might be surprised just how woefully inefficient much of private
> industry is. Particularly when it comes to things like, say, waste
> management where there isn't exactly a lot of competition...
>
> ---Joel
>
>
>
But those companies fail more often,or their stockholders force changes,but
government never fails.
Lousy gov't programs endure forever,become "too big to eliminate".
there are no consequences for government waste and inefficiency.
Joel Koltner
> Lousy gov't programs endure forever,become "too big to eliminate".
Oh, you mean like GM?
:-)
Although I don't imagine you were a supporter of the bailouts...
> there are no consequences for government waste and inefficiency.
Many an office worker feels the same way about his co-workers...
---Joel
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> "Rich Grise" <richgr...@example.net> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2009.11.11....@example.net...
>
> > Please name _ONE_ instance where government meddling has actually
> > produced a better result for less money.
>
> It's largely an impossible comparison: I could say something like, well, it's
> a lot cheaper for me to pay my county taxes and obtain fire protection in the
> process than hiring my own private fire brigade, but you'd counter that,
> well... maybe it wouldn't be, because certanily my neighbors would help out
> with the fire brigade's cost (I wouldn't be funding it single-handedly),
> right? -- But it's difficult to know exactly what the numbers would be for the
> path not taken.
That's not the comparison at all. Consider collective retirement:
Social Security, and the amount of money people would have today if
they'd been allowed to save their own. Compare that to what happened:
all their money is gone, given away to previous retirees.
Barack Obama has admitted that Medicare and Medicaid are breaking the
bank--we can't afford them. In the next breath he says he'll cover
the whole country and increase service, while saving money by
eliminating "fraud, waste, and abuse." That's bizarre.
> If we go back to the USPS example for a moment, if it were all privatived
> you'd expect that those living in big cities would have substantially lower
> costs to send or receive a letter than those living in the boonies where it
> clearly costs more to get that mail picked up and delivered, yet somewhere
> along the line (centuries back) We The People decided that rather than those
> choosing a more rural lifestyle just having to make up that difference
> (granted, a lot more people lived rurally in the first place back then), we'd
> "level the field" and make regular letters the same postage for everyone,
> regardless of how near or far the sender and recipient were. On the other
> hand, you can only be generous to a certain extent -- no one would suggest
> that for those sending 100lb. parcels that the cost of shipping from San
> Francsico to San Diego should be the same as shipping from San Francisdo to
> New York City.
>
> I've said this before, but it bears repeating: The government IS you and me.
> Sure, it's a huge system these days with plenty of problems, but you can see
> how it began -- groups of people getting together and semi-deomcratically
> deciding that it makes sense to tax all the citizens to pay for that local
> fire brigade, soon thereafter a militia to defend the borders, then deciding
> to pay for K-12 education, then some protection for those who are unemployed,
> then some health care, etc.
One difference is that some of those are specified by the Constitution
as legitimate functions of the federal government, the others aren't.
Another difference is that those local compromises and decisions are
made by a group of people who choose it, and if you don't like one
particular community's choices you can go somewhere else and find
people more in keeping with your philosophy.
That is, you have freedom of choice. You can go to a place with no
fire dept. if you want. That leads to a healthy diversity of social
experiments and conditions that keep cities and states in check--if
people are unhappy, they leave. And wise policies attract new blood.
Enacting a federal law removes that choice, that incentive, that check
on local tyranny; it's intolerant, exclusive of any other view, and
imposes one draconian mandate on the entire country. It deprives
people of their liberty to choose.
> While you do have the option of leaving, it's entirely patriotic to instead
> stick around and lobby for what you believe in as well to try to reform the
> system to what you think would be best -- Jim's writing editorial columns in
> his local newspaper absolutely falls into this category. But reasonable
> people can disagree on just "how much is too much" when it comes to your
> freedom (...to bear arms, to go hunting, to get a woman pregnant and then
> leave, etc.) as well as your taxes and entitlements.
Since you're arguing it's more efficient, numbers matter. Medicare
costs 7x what it was originally projected to cost. The prescription
benefit costs 4x, IIRC. Pelosi-care's currently estimated at $1.5T.
What's $1.5T x 5?
But even more importantly, it doesn't matter if it's more efficient--
you can't force people to buy things they don't want to buy. The
Constitution doesn't allow it.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Joel Koltner
news:318c11d1-c245-44a1...@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> That's not the comparison at all. Consider collective retirement:
> Social Security, and the amount of money people would have today if
> they'd been allowed to save their own. Compare that to what happened:
> all their money is gone, given away to previous retirees.
Ah, but we can just tap the next working class for this generation's
retirement, right? :-)
Yes, social security is broken, although it's not clear to me exactly why
(i.e., how much is mismanagement, how much was raiding the funds for
completely unrelated purposes, etc.).
> In the next breath he says he'll cover
> the whole country and increase service, while saving money by
> eliminating "fraud, waste, and abuse." That's bizarre.
That's creative accounting for you!
> One difference is that some of those are specified by the Constitution
> as legitimate functions of the federal government, the others aren't.
OK, but I'm one of those annoying people who consider the constitution a
"living document" -- that the specifics spelled out in it are just as
important as the *intents* of the authors. There's no way those guys back in
1787 could begin to predict the exact challenges we'd be facing 222 years
later.
> Enacting a federal law removes that choice, that incentive, that check
> on local tyranny; it's intolerant, exclusive of any other view, and
> imposes one draconian mandate on the entire country. It deprives
> people of their liberty to choose.
I'd grant you that, yes. This is an example though of the whole federal
rights vs. state rights (and I suppose vs. city rights) debate that's been a
Big Deal ever since the first drafts of the constitution were being written,
and it'll never be solved to everyone's liking. Arguably today the federal
government has as much or more power than any other time in the U.S.'s
history; I attribute this to the fact that transporation and communications
are now so advanced that most people no longer consider the state they're
living in to be a large part of their identity, whereas they do still consider
the country itself to be. At least in general... residents of certain states
like, oh, say, Texas and Oregon still tend to retain a lot of the state's
identity!
> Since you're arguing it's more efficient, numbers matter. Medicare
> costs 7x what it was originally projected to cost. The prescription
> benefit costs 4x, IIRC. Pelosi-care's currently estimated at $1.5T.
> What's $1.5T x 5?
A lot. But many will argue that medicare is more efficient (yes, with
numbers) than private insurance (see, e.g.,
http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2006/06/policy_why_medi.html).
(Another good point is how we in the U.S. overall pay markedly more for the
same health care procedures than any other nation; there's definitely
something wrong there.)
> But even more importantly, it doesn't matter if it's more efficient--
> you can't force people to buy things they don't want to buy. The
> Constitution doesn't allow it.
I don't think there's any readily definable line between "forcing people to
buy things they don't want to buy" and "taxes"...
I've become a bit busy at the moment so I apologize that this isn't a more
thorough response, but I do appreciate what you wrote and think you make some
good points.
---Joel
Rich Grise
> "Rich Grise" <rich...@example.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.11.11....@example.net...
>> Please name _ONE_ instance where government meddling has actually
>> produced a better result for less money.
>
> It's largely an impossible comparison: I could say something like, well,
> it's a lot cheaper for me to pay my county taxes and obtain fire
> protection in the process than hiring my own private fire brigade, but
> you'd counter that, well...
OK, I'll counter it well.
It's infinitely cheaper to simply not burn your house down.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Rich Grise
>
> But even more importantly, it doesn't matter if it's more efficient-- you
> can't force people to buy things they don't want to buy. The Constitution
> doesn't allow it.
Oh, yeah - the involuntary servitude clause!
Thanks!
Rich
Jim Yanik
But private businesses are not dependent on TAX monies,and may not have the
other benefits that gov't workers enjoy.
Like a virtual no-layoff policy.
It nearly takes an Act of Congress to fire a gov't employee.
You really have to screw up big time to get fired at a gov't job.
Jim Yanik
>
> Yes, social security is broken, although it's not clear to me exactly
> why (i.e., how much is mismanagement, how much was raiding the funds
> for completely unrelated purposes, etc.).
Much of it is the fact that none of the money collected was invested.
It gets paid out as fast as it comes in. a Ponzi scheme.
>
>> In the next breath he says he'll cover
>> the whole country and increase service, while saving money by
>> eliminating "fraud, waste, and abuse." That's bizarre.
>
> That's creative accounting for you!
No,it's a huge LIE;BS that the gullible and naive accept.
and you forgot his promises of "no new taxes" and "no reduction of
services".
(like long waits for procedures as in other socialized nations)
>
>> One difference is that some of those are specified by the
>> Constitution as legitimate functions of the federal government, the
>> others aren't.
that "provide for the general welfare" phrase -in the preamble-!! was never
meant to be any legal justification for many of the areas gov't has gotten
into.
>
> OK, but I'm one of those annoying people who consider the constitution
> a "living document" -- that the specifics spelled out in it are just
> as important as the *intents* of the authors. There's no way those
> guys back in 1787 could begin to predict the exact challenges we'd be
> facing 222 years later.
the "living" part of the Constitution is it's ability to be AMENDED,to be
able to change with the times,and there's a specific procedure for
that,which Congress scrupulously avoids,knowing they could never get most
of their crap passed in that manner.
It does NOT mean reinterpretation of words or phrases to fit whatever the
legislators are trying to justify,or to fit current popular opinion.
Or passing laws that are clearly UNconstitutional,relying on the court
system to finagle it.
that shit renders the rule of law meaningless.
JosephKK
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>"robb" <so...@where.on.net> wrote in
>news:luWdnc5m3sxFxGXX...@earthlink.com:
>
>>
>><don> wrote in message
>> news:1LadnRT34v7n_GvX...@forethought.net...
>>> robb wrote:
>>> > "amdx" <am...@knology.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:30f63$4af1b8dd$d8baf3ed$81...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>>> >> My opinion is property taxes are wrong, once you pay for
>> your
>>> > home, you
>>> >> should
>>> >> not have to pay the government to live in it. (paying for
>> the
>>> > rest of your
>>> >> life)
>>> >> Makes me mad just thinking about it!
>>> >> Mike
>>> >
>>> > i like to think of it as land rental.
>>> > an effective gov. method of reminding people they do not
>> really
>>> > own the land they are just renting it, seeing as they can
>> evict
>>> > you from it whether your home owner member ship fee is paid
>> for
>>> > fully or not.
>>> >
>>> > robb
>>> >
>>> Its not rental, it a fee to keep the rif-raf out of your
>> property.
>>>
>>> Its cheaper then hiring a private security company.
>>> Its cheaper then hiring a private fire department.
>>>
>>> And there is no competition to drive the price up.
>>>
>>> don
>>
>> isn't that called extortion ?
>>
>> the prices go up all the time. The gov was blinded, greedly
>> watching the value of the homes rise during the bubble to raise
>> the rent accordingly.
>>
>> the *customer* quickly becomes the rif-raf if they can not pay
>>
>> robb
>>
>>
>
>It's a protection racket.
>the Gov't takes money and provides "protection".
>
>Of course,these days,you need protection more from the Gov't than anyone
>else.
Just like "protection" from the "mob".