Ping Larkin
Jim Thompson
Didn't your daughter go to Columbia University?
I have a granddaughter being plied with scholarship offers.
Would you recommend Columbia?
Thanks!
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Tim Wescott
> John Larkin,
>
> Didn't your daughter go to Columbia University?
>
> I have a granddaughter being plied with scholarship offers.
>
> Would you recommend Columbia?
>
Nah, liberals go there. You want her to go someplace safe -- like this
one: http://www.oru.edu/.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Not hardly. Why do liberals wusses label every conservative as a
religious nutcase. Anyone who pays attention, apparently not Mr.
Wescott, will have taken note of my declaration of atheism _many_
years ago.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Jim Thompson wrote:
http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107941/let-the-red-states-secede.html
Comments?
VLV
Bob Eld
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> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:28:44 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:23 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >
> >> John Larkin,
> >>
> >> Didn't your daughter go to Columbia University?
> >>
> >> I have a granddaughter being plied with scholarship offers.
> >>
> >> Would you recommend Columbia?
> >>
> >Nah, liberals go there. You want her to go someplace safe -- like this
> >one: http://www.oru.edu/.
>
> Not hardly. Why do liberals wusses label every conservative as a
> religious nutcase. Anyone who pays attention, apparently not Mr.
> Wescott, will have taken note of my declaration of atheism _many_
> years ago.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Because MOST CONservatives are religious nut cases. Maybe there are a few
like 0.1% who are not but the vast majority are religious fundies, like
Palin and Huckabee. You're in "good" company right in there with the fruit
loops.
Jim Thompson
Sounds fishy, particularly after just watching Al Gore handle a
audience question he didn't like by turning off the questioner's
microphone.
I live in Arizona, obviously, and the numbers don't gibe.
I'd be happy to walk, and cut off California's water in the process
;-)
BTW, Indiana is quite solvent ;-)
Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:35:01 -0500, Vladimir Vassilevsky
><nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>
>>http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107941/let-the-red-states-secede.html
>>
>>Comments?
>>
>>VLV
>
>Sounds fishy, particularly after just watching Al Gore handle a
>audience question he didn't like by turning off the questioner's
>microphone.
>
>I live in Arizona, obviously, and the numbers don't gibe.
>
>I'd be happy to walk, and cut off California's water in the process
>;-)
>
>BTW, Indiana is quite solvent ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Usually I can put my finger on a state-by-state <=> Federal flow.
For some reason tonight, I can't seem to find one that's actually per
capita.
Past numbers I've looked at certainly indicated that Arizona and Texas
would be better off.
I do know, that if we killed all liberals, it would benefit not only
the economy but the climate as well ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute. �Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.
Stephan Goldstein
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
Is it asking too much to get back to electronics? The spam from
Google is bad enough, why do we also have to tolerate same
coming from Arizona, with followups?
o...@uakron.edu
Two, what does she plan to major in?
Three, look at the grants and publications of that department. More
grants and pubs = actually doing something and possibly awake enough
to teach a good course.
Four, then look at the ratio of hired instructors and grad students
to professors teaching Math and English. If you have a high IG to P
ratio, bail....
Math and English are the weedout courses for scholarship students.
Steve
Jim Thompson
I'm the pro here, so why would I be asking circuit questions ?:-)
And I _do_ respond to valid technical queries.
...Jim Thompson
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Tim Wescott
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:28:44 -0500, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:23 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> John Larkin,
>>>
>>> Didn't your daughter go to Columbia University?
>>>
>>> I have a granddaughter being plied with scholarship offers.
>>>
>>> Would you recommend Columbia?
>>>
>>Nah, liberals go there. You want her to go someplace safe -- like this
>>one: http://www.oru.edu/.
>
> Not hardly. Why do liberals wusses label every conservative as a
> religious nutcase.
If you're a neo (read "fake") conservative in the US these days then
you're either a religious nutcase or you're operating under the delusion
that you can use religious nutcases to further your agenda without seeing
your country turn into a religious nutcase police state.
Since an atheist who willingly turns his liberty over to a bunch of
religious nutcases is clearly a nutcase himself, the liberal so-called-
wusses will be at least half right every time.
Why do conservative nutcases label anyone who comments on their narrow
agendas as a liberal wuss? Are they afraid of something?
> Anyone who pays attention, apparently not Mr.
> Wescott, will have taken note of my declaration of atheism _many_ years
> ago.
Sorry you can't take a _joke_ Jim.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
I couldn't tell... looked like you were serious to me ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Coming soon to the elementary school in your neighborhood...
I pledge allegiance to Dear Leader Barack Hussein Obama and to the
community organization for which he stands: one nation under
ACORN, unchallengeable, with wealth redistribution and climate
change for all.
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107941/let-the-red-states-...
>
> Comments?
>
> VLV
"Red staters always like to accuse blue states of high taxes.
But if they are right, one of the principal reasons blue staters
are paying higher taxes is to subsidize...red staters."
That's dumb--obviously the "higher taxes" are _state_ taxes. And,
calling California's recovery from a nasty early '90's pullback as
proof of superior as growth skews that result. And they miss the
obvious: the article complains, in essence, that blue state tax
dollars aren't coming back to them, that government is less than 100%
efficient. Duh. That's an argument against sending money to the
federal government.
But the article does make a good point: individual states are free to
implement their own healthcare plans--if that's what their citizens
want--easily, and, if all their rhetoric were true, they should.
Think of all the industry it'd attract, the competitive advantages,
etc. If the rhetoric were true, that is.
And if they succeeded, other states would copy their experiments.
That' s the way it should be.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
John Larkin
wrote:
Complication: the states that offer free or cheap medical care will
become magnets for the people with expensive medical problems.
John
Charlie E.
True. But such people usually come with their families, who usually
are a resource to the state that they reside in.
The truth is, experiments such as taxuchuses are apparently failing.
Universal health care is a fallacy, as not everyone wants to
participate!
Charlie
Joerg
Not always. For example, with grossly obese people I see family patterns.
> The truth is, experiments such as taxuchuses are apparently failing.
> Universal health care is a fallacy, as not everyone wants to
> participate!
>
I've lived in Europe. The good thing there is that people with
pre-existing conditions do not become pariahs like here. We must
remember that it's not always their own fault. However, that system
often leads to behavior such as going to the doctor for every little
constipation or demanding antibiotics for minor sniffles. I see similar
habits here with folks like retired bureaucrats who have cradle-to-grave
healthcare courtesy of the taxpayer.
--
Regards, Joerg
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"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
John Larkin
wrote:
We need serious cost control, starting with cutting the lawyers out of
the system, and negotiating for generic drugs for public health
programs. And we need a network of free clinics, staffed by nurse
practitioners, that anyone can walk into with zero paperwork.
Tax laws should be structured to encourage Kaiser-type systems.
But the current drive isn't about health care, it's about power.
John
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:42:59 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
You're invoking logic, foresight, & reason. That's cheating. I too
have a litany of objections to the schemes, but was answering the
complaint that red states are somehow holding back the blues. And,
I'm allowing for the fact that clever states might solve those
objections & prove me wrong, which would be great.
As for this objection, are there so many, and are they all that
mobile? In other contexts, would-be liberals would argue no, that
people in, say, Detroit, are hopeless, hapless victims, incapable of
relocating, and need assistance where they stand.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Fred Bartoli
Yes... The pro and cons...
so why would I be asking circuit questions ?:-)
Fear someone else answers it?
--
Thanks,
Fred.
Jim Thompson
I have very few questions... occasionally digital logic synthesis,
which I do post, and gentlemen answer.
If you have an analog question, please post it, or STFU ;-)
Joerg
Amen!
> ... and negotiating for generic drugs for public health
> programs. ...
Or simply allow free trade, including imports.
> ... And we need a network of free clinics, staffed by nurse
> practitioners, that anyone can walk into with zero paperwork.
>
> Tax laws should be structured to encourage Kaiser-type systems.
>
Kaiser is the plan we have. But it's as inflationary as the others, only
affordable when you max the deductible. We have that, along with an HSA,
but unfortunately large parts of the population are not capable enough
in terms of money management resp. saving money. Most people save nothing.
> But the current drive isn't about health care, it's about power.
>
After I read about excise taxes on some health plans I begin to believe
the same :-(
Rich Grise
> Charlie E. wrote:
>
>> The truth is, experiments such as taxuchuses are apparently failing.
>> Universal health care is a fallacy, as not everyone wants to
>> participate!
Hear, hear!
> I've lived in Europe. The good thing there is that people with
> pre-existing conditions do not become pariahs like here. We must
> remember that it's not always their own fault.
Who exactly shoveled those couple hundred pounds of excess fat into their
mouths?
> However, that system
> often leads to behavior such as going to the doctor for every little
> constipation or demanding antibiotics for minor sniffles. I see similar
> habits here with folks like retired bureaucrats who have cradle-to-grave
> healthcare courtesy of the taxpayer.
Well, when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote.
The solution is to simply make people pay their own damn bills!
Why bother to eat right, get some exercise, and learn how to operate a
first aid kit when you can just go to the local ER for every little
complaint and get a free ride on the backs of the taxpayers?
Thanks,
Rich
Charlie E.
Yes, that is a 'public' health system I could get behind. You get
sick, you go to the local health clinic. They triag you, and if you
have something serious, it goes up the ladder to an urgent care
facility, unless it is REALLY serious, when they call an ambulance and
take you to the ER!
I had Kaiser for a while, but was not really satisfied with them. If
you got assigned to someone that didn't know what they were doing, it
was a hassle to get re-assigned to someone that did. My wife had
nothing but problems with them...
Charlie
John Larkin
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:08:20 -0700, John Larkin
The thing about Kaiser is that you have to complain if you're not
happy. If you don't like your doctor, demand another one.
A FAX works magic on Kaiser for some reason.
Kaiser is miles ahead of insurance plans like Blue Cross.
John
Joerg
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:56:14 -0700, Joerg wrote:
>> Charlie E. wrote:
>>
>>> The truth is, experiments such as taxuchuses are apparently failing.
>>> Universal health care is a fallacy, as not everyone wants to
>>> participate!
>
> Hear, hear!
>
>> I've lived in Europe. The good thing there is that people with
>> pre-existing conditions do not become pariahs like here. We must
>> remember that it's not always their own fault.
>
> Who exactly shoveled those couple hundred pounds of excess fat into their
> mouths?
>
Into the guy who was born with a heart condition? Or epilepsy? Or the
guys who was T-boned by an uninsured driver?
>> However, that system
>> often leads to behavior such as going to the doctor for every little
>> constipation or demanding antibiotics for minor sniffles. I see similar
>> habits here with folks like retired bureaucrats who have cradle-to-grave
>> healthcare courtesy of the taxpayer.
>
> Well, when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote.
>
> The solution is to simply make people pay their own damn bills!
>
There's the ticket. Small stuff should always be out of pocket, like it
used to be.
> Why bother to eat right, get some exercise, and learn how to operate a
> first aid kit when you can just go to the local ER for every little
> complaint and get a free ride on the backs of the taxpayers?
>
--
JeffM
>If you're a neo (read "fake") conservative in the US these days
>then you're either a religious nutcase or you're
>operating under the delusion that you can use religious nutcases
>to further your agenda without seeing your country turn into
>a religious nutcase police state.
>
Problem is, when you vote Red
you don't get any Goldwateresque candidates
--any more than Blue voters get Trumanesque candidates.
Tim Wescott
Yea, the choice is pretty much "nutcase" vs. "nutcase".
Usually I try to vote for one flavor of nutcase for prez and the other
for congress, because gridlock is better than either side getting its way
unobstructed.
That didn't work out this time, alas. At least the swing-state Democrats
are kinda sorta dragging their feet, sometimes.
Bill Sloman
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:35:48 -0400, Stephan Goldstein
>
>
>
>
>
> <sgold...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> >On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:00:23 -0700, Jim Thompson
> ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:52:18 -0700, Jim Thompson
> >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:35:01 -0500, Vladimir Vassilevsky
> >>><nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>
> >>>>Comments?
>
> >>>>VLV
>
> >>>Sounds fishy, particularly after just watching Al Gore handle a
> >>>audience question he didn't like by turning off the questioner's
> >>>microphone.
>
> >>>I live in Arizona, obviously, and the numbers don't gibe.
>
> >>>I'd be happy to walk, and cut off California's water in the process
> >>>;-)
>
> >>>BTW, Indiana is quite solvent ;-)
>
> >>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> >>Usually I can put my finger on a state-by-state <=> Federal flow.
>
> >>For some reason tonight, I can't seem to find one that's actually per
> >>capita.
>
> >>Past numbers I've looked at certainly indicated that Arizona and Texas
> >>would be better off.
>
> >>I do know, that if we killed all liberals, it would benefit not only
> >>the economy but the climate as well ;-)
>
> >> ...Jim Thompson
>
> >Is it asking too much to get back to electronics? The spam from
> >Google is bad enough, why do we also have to tolerate same
> >coming from Arizona, with followups?
>
> I'm the pro here, so why would I be asking circuit questions ?:-)
A rather ordinary pro. and you have asked circuit questions - one of
which I answered for you.
> And I _do_ respond to valid technical queries.
But only from the tiny right-wing minority that you haven't got around
to putting in your kill file.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Michael A. Terrell
Stephan Goldstein wrote:
>
> Is it asking too much to get back to electronics? The spam from
> Google is bad enough, why do we also have to tolerate same
> coming from Arizona, with followups?
Start a thread and post your question, or go away.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Martin Brown
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:56:14 -0700, Joerg wrote:
>> Charlie E. wrote:
>>
>>> The truth is, experiments such as taxuchuses are apparently failing.
>>> Universal health care is a fallacy, as not everyone wants to
>>> participate!
>
> Hear, hear!
The standard righttard response of kill the poor and sieze their assets.
>
>> I've lived in Europe. The good thing there is that people with
>> pre-existing conditions do not become pariahs like here. We must
>> remember that it's not always their own fault.
>
> Who exactly shoveled those couple hundred pounds of excess fat into their
> mouths?
What about genetic defects like haemophilia or glaucoma? (ISTR even the
US is enlightened enough to give free eye tests to likely suffers).
There are injuries at birth like cerebral palsy which in the US are paid
for by insanely high medical insurance that pays both the malpractice
lawyers fat salary and the unfortunate victims costs of living.
I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population determined
to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes, their knees
and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a problem of too much
junk food and not enough exercise. A national health system encouraging
better diet might actually decrease these costs. The existing private
one doesn't care so long as the punters are insured and profitable.
>
>> However, that system
>> often leads to behavior such as going to the doctor for every little
>> constipation or demanding antibiotics for minor sniffles. I see similar
Most systems have a minimum prescription fee for precisely this reason.
To avoid doctors wasting time on hypocondriacs and worried well.
Abuse of antibiotics for colds largely ceased in the 1980's at least in
the UK.
>> habits here with folks like retired bureaucrats who have cradle-to-grave
>> healthcare courtesy of the taxpayer.
>
> Well, when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul's vote.
>
> The solution is to simply make people pay their own damn bills!
So you would condemn those unfit to work through no fault of their own
to penury?
>
> Why bother to eat right, get some exercise, and learn how to operate a
> first aid kit when you can just go to the local ER for every little
> complaint and get a free ride on the backs of the taxpayers?
Even in socialised medicine it doesn't work like that. If anything that
seems to be what happens in the USA with the uninsured at present.
And again a threshold minimum payment per visit is simple enough to
discourage time wasters with trivial ailments.
Regards,
Martin Brown
John Larkin
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population determined
>to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes, their knees
>and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a problem of too much
>junk food and not enough exercise. A national health system encouraging
>better diet might actually decrease these costs. The existing private
>one doesn't care so long as the punters are insured and profitable.
Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look
it up. In the US, we have a large minority population that, I think,
is poorly adapted to the european-type diet full of wheat, meat,
sugar, and dairy products. Pacific Islanders and native Americans seem
most affected - rampant overweight and diabetes - and Africans too.
The US policy of keeping up sugar prices hurts too, since corn syrup
is probably worse for health than real sugar.
John
Martin Brown
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:48:15 +0100, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population determined
>> to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes, their knees
>> and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a problem of too much
>> junk food and not enough exercise. A national health system encouraging
>> better diet might actually decrease these costs. The existing private
>> one doesn't care so long as the punters are insured and profitable.
>
> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look
True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan)
obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being
the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common.
And it tends to be the poorer members of society that eat the most junk
food - it is after all the cheapest mass produced food.
> it up. In the US, we have a large minority population that, I think,
> is poorly adapted to the european-type diet full of wheat, meat,
> sugar, and dairy products. Pacific Islanders and native Americans seem
> most affected - rampant overweight and diabetes - and Africans too.
But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
> The US policy of keeping up sugar prices hurts too, since corn syrup
> is probably worse for health than real sugar.
High fructose corn syrup is a pretty nasty concoction. It would not
surprise me at all if it were implicated in causing diabetes.
Regards,
Martin Brown
John Larkin
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:48:15 +0100, Martin Brown
>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population determined
>>> to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes, their knees
>>> and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a problem of too much
>>> junk food and not enough exercise. A national health system encouraging
>>> better diet might actually decrease these costs. The existing private
>>> one doesn't care so long as the punters are insured and profitable.
>>
>> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look
>
>True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan)
>obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being
>the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common.
>
>And it tends to be the poorer members of society that eat the most junk
>food - it is after all the cheapest mass produced food.
>
>> it up. In the US, we have a large minority population that, I think,
>> is poorly adapted to the european-type diet full of wheat, meat,
>> sugar, and dairy products. Pacific Islanders and native Americans seem
>> most affected - rampant overweight and diabetes - and Africans too.
>
>But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
I take the leftovers to go. I get two or three meals from one
restaurant serving. Two or three meals from a $7 entree is a pretty
good deal, and it avoids cooking some week-nights.
I do recall a prix-fixe meal at Paul Bocuse' place that was
overwhelming, and I couldn't take it home. And not $9.
Last time I was in the UK, a couple of years ago, I met a lot of fat
engineers.
John
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:
> >But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
> >restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>
> It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
That ought not be allowed. The government should only allow people to
eat at certain approved restaurants, and dictate and carefully control
what those restaurants serve, the portion sizes that will be allowed--
according to each person's needs vis-a-vis calories, obesity, health
factors, etc.--the prices that can be charged, adjusted for each
person's ability to pay, and so forth. Violators should be fined and
jailed.
Oh, wait, that's the healthcare bill that just passed the Senate
finance committee. Never mind.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
John Larkin
wrote:
>On Oct 14, 1:03 pm, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:
>
>> >But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>> >restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>
>> It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
>
>That ought not be allowed. The government should only allow people to
>eat at certain approved restaurants, and dictate and carefully control
>what those restaurants serve, the portion sizes that will be allowed--
>according to each person's needs vis-a-vis calories, obesity, health
>factors, etc.--the prices that can be charged, adjusted for each
>person's ability to pay, and so forth. Violators should be fined and
>jailed.
Sounds like the ration books in Cuba. They keep everybody trim.
John
Vladimir Vassilevsky
John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:12:03 -0700 (PDT), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Oct 14, 1:03 pm, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:
>>
>>>>But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>>>>restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>>
>>>It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
>>
>>That ought not be allowed. The government should only allow people to
>>eat at certain approved restaurants, and dictate and carefully control
>>what those restaurants serve, the portion sizes that will be allowed--
>>according to each person's needs vis-a-vis calories, obesity, health
>>factors, etc.--the prices that can be charged, adjusted for each
>>person's ability to pay, and so forth. Violators should be fined and
>>jailed.
>
>
> Sounds like the ration books in Cuba. They keep everybody trim.
What do you think is the next year census for?
The resemblance of the recent events in USA and the downfall of the USSR
is just plain scarry.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com
ChrisQ
>
> Sounds like the ration books in Cuba. They keep everybody trim.
>
> John
>
and healthy. People who eat less, live longer, so long as nutritional
requirements are met.
What amazes me and others in europe about the current debate in the US
on health care is the primitive responses and rabble rousing that bears
no relation to the truth. It's also amazing that any modern civilisation
worthy of the name can have no universal healthcare system, It's nothing
to do with socialism either - it actually costs the state less if health
problem are fixed before they get serious and healthier people are more
likely to have healthy minds and work, again reducing the cost the the
nation in terms of family breakdown, crime and disorder. That's quite
apart from the humanitarian issues, which i'm sure no one could argue
with, because the US is such a civilised nation, right ?.
I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is
universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no
reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else
would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from
taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff
gets funded from the state with common consent.
I could weep for the US at times, but the 'ascent of man' takes longer
in some places than others, I guess and there will always be setbacks
along the way.
/asbestos suit on. (You can only take so much bullshit)...
Chris
Jim Thompson
And there, folks, you have the Europeon socialist platitudes all
lumped together into one place.
Rejoice all you want... all my current clients are off-shore... I'll
just take my corporation off-shore and deprive all you "gimme" people
of a share of my income ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of
misery." -Winston Churchill
John Larkin
>John Larkin wrote:
>
>>
>> Sounds like the ration books in Cuba. They keep everybody trim.
>>
>> John
>>
>
>and healthy. People who eat less, live longer, so long as nutritional
>requirements are met.
Sounds like they are going to be even healthier soon...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/255/story/77132.html
Raoul is a little more realistic than Fidel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba#Controversy
Their literacy rate is 99%, too.
John
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
But you don't understand our situation.
A. The government-run healthcare we already have costs as much for a
few citizens as does universal care in Europe, and
B. It's $36 trillion dollars in the hole. Really.(1) So let's expand
it!
Not much of a recommendation that, is it?
The proposed "fixes" fix nothing, and expand the worst parts of the
current government system. And it's full of pork & patronage.
Yuck.
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Cheers,
James Arthur
(1) http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/Unfunded-Obligations-Entitlement-Programs-Dwarf-Bailout-Spending.aspx
ChrisQ
>
> And there, folks, you have the Europeon socialist platitudes all
> lumped together into one place.
>
> Rejoice all you want... all my current clients are off-shore... I'll
> just take my corporation off-shore and deprive all you "gimme" people
> of a share of my income ;-)
>
...and the lone ranger rides out into the sunset, but will the last
person to leave the us please turn out the lights :-)...
Regards
Chris
Jim Thompson
Only my money is leaving the U.S... maybe the Cayman Islands ?:-)
Spehro Pefhany
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:32:47 +0100, ChrisQ <me...@devnull.com> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And there, folks, you have the Europeon socialist platitudes all
>>> lumped together into one place.
>>>
>>> Rejoice all you want... all my current clients are off-shore... I'll
>>> just take my corporation off-shore and deprive all you "gimme" people
>>> of a share of my income ;-)
>>>
>>
>> ...and the lone ranger rides out into the sunset, but will the last
>>person to leave the us please turn out the lights :-)...
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Chris
>
>Only my money is leaving the U.S... maybe the Cayman Islands ?:-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Umm.. you want to get to know Sheriff Joe better? ;-)
Jim Thompson
Ummm? My corporation doesn't need to be U.S.
...Jim Thompson
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Joerg
> John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:48:15 +0100, Martin Brown
>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population
>>> determined to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes,
>>> their knees and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a
>>> problem of too much junk food and not enough exercise. A national
>>> health system encouraging better diet might actually decrease these
>>> costs. The existing private one doesn't care so long as the punters
>>> are insured and profitable.
>>
>> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look
>
> True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan)
> obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being
> the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common.
>
People don't have to eat it. I never do. They have choices, and brains.
> And it tends to be the poorer members of society that eat the most junk
> food - it is after all the cheapest mass produced food.
>
That is a myth, and false. Lots of people think "Oh, a 99c burger, let's
all go there". Then the whole family scrambles into the car. Now li'l
Joey also wants a side order of fries and a coke. Oh, and ice cream. Ol'
Leroy is still hungry after the 99c burger and opts straight for
another, but this time the super-duper-$3.99-triple-decker. By the time
it's all said and done $30-$40 are gone, plus gasoline. For that kind of
money you can cook a fine meal and feed the whole family plus the
neighbors, and have leftovers.
>> it up. In the US, we have a large minority population that, I think,
>> is poorly adapted to the european-type diet full of wheat, meat,
>> sugar, and dairy products. Pacific Islanders and native Americans seem
>> most affected - rampant overweight and diabetes - and Africans too.
>
> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
> restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>
You can ask for smaller portions or, if well over 50, a senior-size meal
(less money). Also, they'll gladly pack you a doggie bag. Ownership of a
dog not required. It's all a matter of discipline. When do we stop
wanting the government or business to decide stuff for us?
>> The US policy of keeping up sugar prices hurts too, since corn syrup
>> is probably worse for health than real sugar.
>
> High fructose corn syrup is a pretty nasty concoction. It would not
> surprise me at all if it were implicated in causing diabetes.
>
We don't even have it in our kitchen. Very little sweet stuff is used.
Tonight we will have a large mixed salad, slowly baked marinated pork
chops, roasted potatoes with onions. Costs less than fast food, tastes
infinitely better, and is healthy. Ok, the pork chops maybe not but in
moderation that's ok.
Joerg
[...]
> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is
> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no
> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else
> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from
> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff
> gets funded from the state with common consent.
>
Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health care
in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In the
mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for the two
of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a non-private
plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse. That is hardly
free, is it?
[...]
Spehro Pefhany
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:29:57 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
><spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:44:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
>><To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:32:47 +0100, ChrisQ <me...@devnull.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And there, folks, you have the Europeon socialist platitudes all
>>>>> lumped together into one place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rejoice all you want... all my current clients are off-shore... I'll
>>>>> just take my corporation off-shore and deprive all you "gimme" people
>>>>> of a share of my income ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...and the lone ranger rides out into the sunset, but will the last
>>>>person to leave the us please turn out the lights :-)...
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>
>>>Only my money is leaving the U.S... maybe the Cayman Islands ?:-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>Umm.. you want to get to know Sheriff Joe better? ;-)
>
>Ummm? My corporation doesn't need to be U.S.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
No, but there are ALL kinds of gotchas. "Mind and management", for
one. They don't make it easy.
Jim Thompson
<spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
The money will be coming from Dubai... maybe I should just leave it
there ?:-)
Spehro Pefhany
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
Maybe. It might be easier for someone in JL's situation.
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> And it tends to be the poorer members of society that eat the most junk
> food - it is after all the cheapest mass produced food.
Fat Foolishness
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=508637
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JeffM
>>But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food
>>at the popular restaurants
>>that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>
those prices have gone up since fuel prices spiraled up
and the package *sizes* of many other items have gone DOWN.
I haven't see that second case in restaurants yet,
but maybe hard times will be better for our waistlines.
>>John Larkin wrote:
>>>The US policy of keeping up sugar prices hurts too,
>>>since corn syrup is probably worse for health than real sugar.
>>>
>> High fructose corn syrup is a pretty nasty concoction. It would
>>not surprise me at all if it were implicated in causing diabetes.
>>
Joerg wrote:
>We don't even have it in our kitchen. Very little sweet stuff is used.
With the way Mercuns like stuff sweet <raises hand>,
I'm surprized that this isn't more widely know/grown/used:
http://google.com/search?q=define:Stevia
http://google.com/search?q=intitle:Stevia+%22+in.zones-*-*-*
Essentially zero calories.
Martin Brown
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>> restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>
> It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
But as the average US population becomes fatter and fatter they just
want more and more. Twenty years ago a reasonably fit 6' adult male in a
US restaurant could just about eat the entire meal and be uncomfortably
full. These days there is enough for at least one extra meal on the
plate. Perhaps it is time to limit servings to the amount that a healthy
adult can eat (maybe plus 10%). Gluttony is not pretty.
Catering for the calorific intake of the morbidly obese is asking for
trouble. Particularly in those establishments where you don't have to
pay if you leave a clean plate which I find exceptionally gross.
>
> I take the leftovers to go. I get two or three meals from one
> restaurant serving. Two or three meals from a $7 entree is a pretty
> good deal, and it avoids cooking some week-nights.
However, there are a lot of people that finish the plate and are eating
themselves into an early grave and loads of expensive health problems on
the way.
I suppose the "customer is always right". I am reminded of the cartoon
with the sign writer part way through painting that slogan with a little
old lady saying to him "Young man, there are two m's in custommer" .
>
> I do recall a prix-fixe meal at Paul Bocuse' place that was
> overwhelming, and I couldn't take it home. And not $9.
Sort of place where you choose the pudding at the outset because of the
time it takes to make it... l'Auberge or the brasserie l'<points of
compass>? Does he have outposts in California or were you in Lyons?
Strangely you don't see all that many fat Frenchmen. They eat quality
food. The food as fuel - never mind the quality feel the width thing is
a distinctly Anglo-Saxon trait.
>
> Last time I was in the UK, a couple of years ago, I met a lot of fat
> engineers.
I agree the obesity problem is spreading worldwide.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Martin Brown
> ChrisQ wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is
>> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no
>> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else
And health insurance is still offered as a (taxable) employee perk.
>> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from
>> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff
>> gets funded from the state with common consent.
Crucially in a medical emergency they do not look for your
credit/insurance card first.
> Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health care
> in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In the
> mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for the two
> of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a non-private
> plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse. That is hardly
> free, is it?
400 Euros/month? That seems a bit on the high side.
What happens to those in Germany who cannot pay the premiums?
I can't recall exactly what it was in Belgium for the major operations
state insurance option with a couple of thousand Euro excess but ISTR it
was a lot less than that. But whichever way you look at it their system
is way more efficient than the US robber baron model.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Joerg
> Joerg wrote:
>> ChrisQ wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is
>>> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no
>>> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else
>
> And health insurance is still offered as a (taxable) employee perk.
>
>>> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from
>>> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff
>>> gets funded from the state with common consent.
>
> Crucially in a medical emergency they do not look for your
> credit/insurance card first.
>
>> Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health
>> care in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In
>> the mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for
>> the two of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a
>> non-private plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse.
>> That is hardly free, is it?
>
> 400 Euros/month? That seems a bit on the high side.
That is the top rate. As a consultant I had to pay 100% of premiums on
my own.
> What happens to those in Germany who cannot pay the premiums?
>
The unemployed get it at taxpayer cost. People making less money must
pay, it is deducted as a percentage from their salary so in effect its a
sliding scale. They do not have any say in this, it's simply deducted.
Self-employed who do not pay have no insurance, they will get socked
into bankruptcy if they become really sick. Just like in the US.
> I can't recall exactly what it was in Belgium for the major operations
> state insurance option with a couple of thousand Euro excess but ISTR it
> was a lot less than that. But whichever way you look at it their system
> is way more efficient than the US robber baron model.
>
When I look at cancer survival ratings I do not agree.
Joerg
>> Martin Brown wrote:
>>> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food
>>> at the popular restaurants
>>> that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>>
> Where I go to get good prices on canned goods,
> those prices have gone up since fuel prices spiraled up
> and the package *sizes* of many other items have gone DOWN.
> I haven't see that second case in restaurants yet,
> but maybe hard times will be better for our waistlines.
>
Got to watch those coupon deals. My wife is like a hawk in that respect.
>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>> The US policy of keeping up sugar prices hurts too,
>>>> since corn syrup is probably worse for health than real sugar.
>>>>
>>> High fructose corn syrup is a pretty nasty concoction. It would
>>> not surprise me at all if it were implicated in causing diabetes.
>>>
> Joerg wrote:
>> We don't even have it in our kitchen. Very little sweet stuff is used.
>
> With the way Mercuns like stuff sweet <raises hand>, ...
Invited boss and his wife over. My wife cooked one of her wonderful
gourmet meals and baked a cheesecake, putting in a tad more sugar than
usual. Boss' wife: "Hey, this cake tastes excellent, amazing for a cake
that has no sugar in it".
> I'm surprized that this isn't more widely know/grown/used:
> http://google.com/search?q=define:Stevia
> http://google.com/search?q=intitle:Stevia+%22+in.zones-*-*-*
> Essentially zero calories.
No idea. But we don't like sugary taste anyhow so we don't miss any of
the sweetening stuff.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Obama cake will be non-fattening... made entirely from hot air ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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All Hail Lord Obama, Groveler-in-Chief
John Larkin
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown
>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>>> restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>
>> It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
>
>But as the average US population becomes fatter and fatter they just
>want more and more. Twenty years ago a reasonably fit 6' adult male in a
>US restaurant could just about eat the entire meal and be uncomfortably
>full. These days there is enough for at least one extra meal on the
>plate. Perhaps it is time to limit servings to the amount that a healthy
>adult can eat (maybe plus 10%). Gluttony is not pretty.
Who is going to limit portion size? Or how many courses a diner is
allowed to order, or how much he eats off his wife's plate?
I, like lots of people, like large servings. I eat a third or maybe
half and take the rest to go. That's probably a consequence of the
actual cost of food being a minor component of the restaurant's total
costs.
My company is much like a restaurant. Our cost of parts runs around
22% of revenue, just about what a typical restaurant pays for food. So
we don't sweat over a few more parts, if it adds features, as the
restaurant doesn't worry about serving a little more pasta if it
attracts some customers.
We do have a bunch of tapas and dim sum places, where a meal is a
number of small servings. And one can usually make a nice small meal
off the appetizer menu. Or share a salad and an entree. That's one
limit on portion sizes: they encourage sharing.
Interestingly, if you say "we'll split the salad" they usually bring
two plates full of salad, for the price of one.
>
>Catering for the calorific intake of the morbidly obese is asking for
>trouble. Particularly in those establishments where you don't have to
>pay if you leave a clean plate which I find exceptionally gross.
>>
>> I take the leftovers to go. I get two or three meals from one
>> restaurant serving. Two or three meals from a $7 entree is a pretty
>> good deal, and it avoids cooking some week-nights.
>
>However, there are a lot of people that finish the plate and are eating
>themselves into an early grave and loads of expensive health problems on
>the way.
True. But there's no way to stop them. They can order appetizers and
dessert, or go home and snack before bedtime.
>
>I suppose the "customer is always right". I am reminded of the cartoon
>with the sign writer part way through painting that slogan with a little
>old lady saying to him "Young man, there are two m's in custommer" .
>>
>> I do recall a prix-fixe meal at Paul Bocuse' place that was
>> overwhelming, and I couldn't take it home. And not $9.
>
>Sort of place where you choose the pudding at the outset because of the
>time it takes to make it... l'Auberge or the brasserie l'<points of
>compass>? Does he have outposts in California or were you in Lyons?
Just north of Lyon. It was wonderful, but I was full after the
beautiful fish-in-pastry-shell thing, pretty early on. We met PB, very
nice guy. Some years ago, of course.
John
Rich Grise
The obesity epidemic is caused by the food nazis taking real fat out of
everything - your body starves for fat (which is the primary component of
the myelin sheath around nerve fibers), so grabs and holds onto every
molecule of fat it encounters, like a camel anticipating a famine.
Plus, people try to feed their emotional hungers with physical foods,
which clearly doesn't do any good.
That saddles you with the dilemma of finding emotional nourishment, which
is already an onerous task in today's puritanical, statist society.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Martin Brown
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:27:24 +0100, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown
>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>>>> restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>> It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
>> But as the average US population becomes fatter and fatter they just
>> want more and more. Twenty years ago a reasonably fit 6' adult male in a
>> US restaurant could just about eat the entire meal and be uncomfortably
>> full. These days there is enough for at least one extra meal on the
>> plate. Perhaps it is time to limit servings to the amount that a healthy
>> adult can eat (maybe plus 10%). Gluttony is not pretty.
>
> Who is going to limit portion size? Or how many courses a diner is
> allowed to order, or how much he eats off his wife's plate?
Mere practical details. But you seem to deny there is a problem.
>
> I, like lots of people, like large servings. I eat a third or maybe
> half and take the rest to go. That's probably a consequence of the
> actual cost of food being a minor component of the restaurant's total
> costs.
I guess you are right. It may be a cultural thing but doggie bags have a
distinct yuck factor for us Europeans. I can't really think of anything
worse than taking away well cooked uneaten restaurant food and then
warming it up later in the week. I have sometimes done it in the US
since it offends me to see so much food go to waste.
>
> My company is much like a restaurant. Our cost of parts runs around
> 22% of revenue, just about what a typical restaurant pays for food. So
A ratio of 4-5x cost of parts is standard in high growth hitech bespoke
electronic instruments which I presume is your market niche.
> we don't sweat over a few more parts, if it adds features, as the
> restaurant doesn't worry about serving a little more pasta if it
> attracts some customers.
We have too many bean counters in the UK. Companies I work for would not
put stuff into production until the material cost to price ratio was
right. This meant they would often be cheapskates on random components.
>
> We do have a bunch of tapas and dim sum places, where a meal is a
> number of small servings. And one can usually make a nice small meal
> off the appetizer menu. Or share a salad and an entree. That's one
> limit on portion sizes: they encourage sharing.
>
> Interestingly, if you say "we'll split the salad" they usually bring
> two plates full of salad, for the price of one.
The salad cost is noise in the general scheme of things.
>
>> Catering for the calorific intake of the morbidly obese is asking for
>> trouble. Particularly in those establishments where you don't have to
>> pay if you leave a clean plate which I find exceptionally gross.
>>> I take the leftovers to go. I get two or three meals from one
>>> restaurant serving. Two or three meals from a $7 entree is a pretty
>>> good deal, and it avoids cooking some week-nights.
>> However, there are a lot of people that finish the plate and are eating
>> themselves into an early grave and loads of expensive health problems on
>> the way.
>
> True. But there's no way to stop them. They can order appetizers and
> dessert, or go home and snack before bedtime.
I guess my point is that making overeating the norm is a bad thing.
>>> I do recall a prix-fixe meal at Paul Bocuse' place that was
>>> overwhelming, and I couldn't take it home. And not $9.
>> Sort of place where you choose the pudding at the outset because of the
>> time it takes to make it... l'Auberge or the brasserie l'<points of
>> compass>? Does he have outposts in California or were you in Lyons?
>
> Just north of Lyon. It was wonderful, but I was full after the
> beautiful fish-in-pastry-shell thing, pretty early on. We met PB, very
> nice guy. Some years ago, of course.
If you are into fine dining Relais&Chateaux is fun touring in Europe.
Regards,
Martin Brown
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:01 -0700, dagmargoodboat wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 11:35 am, Martin Brown wrote:
>
> >> And it tends to be the poorer members of society that eat the most junk
> >> food - it is after all the cheapest mass produced food.
>
> > Fat Foolishness
> >http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=508637
>
> The obesity epidemic is caused by the food nazis taking real fat out of
> everything
How so? And what's "real" fat?
Last I looked, despite the "low fat craze", Americans were eating more
total fat than ever, and more total calories than ever.
(Typical Americans get ~40% of calories from fat. Asians, more like
10-12%. Used to be, anyhow.)
- your body starves for fat (which is the primary component of
> the myelin sheath around nerve fibers), so grabs and holds onto every
> molecule of fat it encounters, like a camel anticipating a famine.
You can make all the fats you need, with the exception of the
essential fatty acids, e.g. omega-3s and omega-6s. Those you have to
consume.
> Plus, people try to feed their emotional hungers with physical foods,
> which clearly doesn't do any good.
>
> That saddles you with the dilemma of finding emotional nourishment, which
> is already an onerous task in today's puritanical, statist society.
You can eat to live, or live to eat. One way, you'll be fat.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
John Larkin
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:27:24 +0100, Martin Brown
>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown
>>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>>>>> restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>>> It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
>>> But as the average US population becomes fatter and fatter they just
>>> want more and more. Twenty years ago a reasonably fit 6' adult male in a
>>> US restaurant could just about eat the entire meal and be uncomfortably
>>> full. These days there is enough for at least one extra meal on the
>>> plate. Perhaps it is time to limit servings to the amount that a healthy
>>> adult can eat (maybe plus 10%). Gluttony is not pretty.
>>
>> Who is going to limit portion size? Or how many courses a diner is
>> allowed to order, or how much he eats off his wife's plate?
>
>Mere practical details. But you seem to deny there is a problem.
I'm not denying that there are lots of fat people around... more in
other parts of the country than here in California.
Do you propose to legally limit serving sizes in restaurants?
>>
>> I, like lots of people, like large servings. I eat a third or maybe
>> half and take the rest to go. That's probably a consequence of the
>> actual cost of food being a minor component of the restaurant's total
>> costs.
>
>I guess you are right. It may be a cultural thing but doggie bags have a
>distinct yuck factor for us Europeans. I can't really think of anything
>worse than taking away well cooked uneaten restaurant food and then
>warming it up later in the week. I have sometimes done it in the US
>since it offends me to see so much food go to waste.
It's very common in the US. It use to be considered a bit tasteless,
but no more.
Yup. But I'll eat anything... bread and cheese is fine, too.
The best stuff I had in France was calloulet (in Baune) and
bouillabaisse (in Marseilles.) I have peasant tastes.
John
Joerg
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:34:31 +0100, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
[...]
>>> I, like lots of people, like large servings. I eat a third or maybe
>>> half and take the rest to go. That's probably a consequence of the
>>> actual cost of food being a minor component of the restaurant's total
>>> costs.
>> I guess you are right. It may be a cultural thing but doggie bags have a
>> distinct yuck factor for us Europeans. I can't really think of anything
>> worse than taking away well cooked uneaten restaurant food and then
>> warming it up later in the week. I have sometimes done it in the US
>> since it offends me to see so much food go to waste.
>
> It's very common in the US. It use to be considered a bit tasteless,
> but no more.
>
All those travel guides from the 70's and 80's for foreigners said it
was perfectly normal even back then. Except they were really called
"doggie bags" whereas nowadays nobody seems to use that word anymore.
The guides often also mentioned that proof of dog ownership is not
required ;-)
Now it's more "Can I get this bagged?" or "Could I have a bag?". Mostly
the waitress will ask when seeing a lot of the good stuff left on a
plate, at least out here.
[...]
Baron
First time I visited the US, I found it very strange to be given a bag
of food left over. I initially thought that it was the restaurants way
of getting rid of the waste food so they didn't have to manage the
costs of disposal.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
Joerg
Well, but what do you guys do at home with leftover food? Throw it all
away? That would seem quite wasteful.
We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad,
considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's
meals are going to come from.
Jim Thompson
I suspect that is the _real_ deal. You carry away their trash
problem. Personally (*) I try to eat only half and leave the rest.
Taking it home only results in it residing in the refrigerator,
forgotten, until it spoils and smells :-(
(*) Being just a wee bit rotund, and garnering more than half my
calories from wine ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Spehro Pefhany
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown
><|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:48:15 +0100, Martin Brown
>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population determined
>>>> to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes, their knees
>>>> and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a problem of too much
>>>> junk food and not enough exercise. A national health system encouraging
>>>> better diet might actually decrease these costs. The existing private
>>>> one doesn't care so long as the punters are insured and profitable.
>>>
>>> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look
>>
>>True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan)
>>obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being
>>the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common.
Here is one thing KFC is currently offering in Asia:-
http://www.speff.com/kfc.jpg
In USD terms, that's the equivalent of $1.97 and the magic wand is
making another of those breading-encrusted deep fried chicken patties
appear for a modest 15-cent adder. They offer delivery too, in case
you're too fat to waddle a few blocks. Total EUR 1.42 (tax included).
Looks like lots of mayo oozing out too..
Joerg
But first, make an appointment with your cardiologist ...
Baron
I must admit that since the brats left the nest, the missus still cooks
for four, so we end up eating half and freezing half for another day.
Very little waste at all nowadays.
> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad,
> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's
> meals are going to come from.
>
Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own.
But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted nationally.
You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local
supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
Baron
A good Bordeaux is hard to beat...
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
Phil Hobbs
Nah, it's just the economics of the restaurant business. People think
that getting twice as much food for 20% more money is a good deal, but
it costs the restaurant maybe 10% more overall (including staff, rent,
utilities, etc.). That leads either to waste, obesity, or doggie bags.
When I'm travelling on business, I usually stay at one of those suites
places that have kitchens--getting the leftovers wrapped up means I only
have to go to a restaurant every other day or so.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
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JosephKK
wrote:
I think you misspelled pruditanical.
krw
Except for things like roasts, my wife downsized fairly easily.
Packages of chicken or hamburgers get split up and frozen before
cooking. Steaks are bought sized for two. Ground meat is bought in
sizes to cook, though a lot of those meals are either refrozen (e.g.
spaghetti sauce, chili) or reheated.
>> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad,
>> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's
>> meals are going to come from.
>>
>Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own.
Two schools of thought on that one.
>But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted nationally.
>You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local
>supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled.
Blame your local weenies. They landfill it because if they gave it
away the liability would be enormous. It's not good enough for the
buying public so "the poor" shouldn't be force to eat it, or so goes
the "logic".
Baron
Its very wrong I agree !
When I was a rug rat, folks would go into the fields after the potato,
pea and turnip harvest, and collect the food left on the ground.
Probably without the farmers blessing. Today the farmer would simply
plough the crop back into the ground and go collect the subsidy !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
Joerg
Packages? Euww.
<boast_mode>
I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of
any sort, it's all done from scratch.
</boast_mode>
> ... get split up and frozen before
> cooking. Steaks are bought sized for two. Ground meat is bought in
> sizes to cook, though a lot of those meals are either refrozen (e.g.
> spaghetti sauce, chili) or reheated.
>
>>> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad,
>>> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's
>>> meals are going to come from.
>>>
>> Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own.
>
> Two schools of thought on that one.
>
It's not good for the dogs. We never do that, and now we've got three.
>> But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted nationally.
>> You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local
>> supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled.
>
> Blame your local weenies. They landfill it because if they gave it
> away the liability would be enormous. It's not good enough for the
> buying public so "the poor" shouldn't be force to eat it, or so goes
> the "logic".
Yep, tort law is a huge problem in our country. But at least our food
bank goes out and picks up stuff from stores where they can see that it
won't sell by an expiration date. Plus fruits and vegetables from
gardens of congregation members, and that's the best stuff you can get.
Spehro Pefhany
wrote:
><boast_mode>
>I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of
>any sort, it's all done from scratch.
></boast_mode>
We get *fresh* (never frozen, unpackaged) patties made up with spices
and such..
they're a great time saver.. good stuff like blue cheese in there.
Same with fresh already-marinated kebabs and lean boneless chicken
breasts.
Just toss on the barbie.. or Jennair grill if it's too unpleasant
outside. I'm not sure it isn't more economical than the
Williams-Sonoma $rubs$ + plain meat from the butcher.
The frozen stuff in the fancy boxes isn't as good, but the pricier
President's Choice types are not bad-- certainly handy for teenager
feeding time if a hungry pack of them is prowling around.
krw
wrote:
>krw wrote:
Yes, we don't grow our own chickens. ;-) Hamburgers we buy in
patties because the beef is better than we can buy otherwise and they
cook and hold together better than home made.
><boast_mode>
>I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of
>any sort, it's all done from scratch.
></boast_mode>
>
>
>> ... get split up and frozen before
>> cooking. Steaks are bought sized for two. Ground meat is bought in
>> sizes to cook, though a lot of those meals are either refrozen (e.g.
>> spaghetti sauce, chili) or reheated.
>>
>>>> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad,
>>>> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's
>>>> meals are going to come from.
>>>>
>>> Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own.
>>
>> Two schools of thought on that one.
>>
>
>It's not good for the dogs. We never do that, and now we've got three.
The other school of thought is that dogs (not cats) have eaten human
scraps since they were domesticated (likely the reason they were
domesticated was that they hung around humans, eating their waste).
Personally, I'm with you. The "cereals" today are much better for
dogs.
>>> But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted nationally.
>>> You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local
>>> supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled.
>>
>> Blame your local weenies. They landfill it because if they gave it
>> away the liability would be enormous. It's not good enough for the
>> buying public so "the poor" shouldn't be force to eat it, or so goes
>> the "logic".
>
>
>Yep, tort law is a huge problem in our country. But at least our food
>bank goes out and picks up stuff from stores where they can see that it
>won't sell by an expiration date. Plus fruits and vegetables from
>gardens of congregation members, and that's the best stuff you can get.
Wait until weenie lawyer gets done with your parishioners.
Martin Brown
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:34:31 +0100, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:27:24 +0100, Martin Brown
>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown
>>>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>>>>>> restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>>>> It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
>>>> But as the average US population becomes fatter and fatter they just
>>>> want more and more. Twenty years ago a reasonably fit 6' adult male in a
>>>> US restaurant could just about eat the entire meal and be uncomfortably
>>>> full. These days there is enough for at least one extra meal on the
>>>> plate. Perhaps it is time to limit servings to the amount that a healthy
>>>> adult can eat (maybe plus 10%). Gluttony is not pretty.
>>> Who is going to limit portion size? Or how many courses a diner is
>>> allowed to order, or how much he eats off his wife's plate?
>> Mere practical details. But you seem to deny there is a problem.
>
> I'm not denying that there are lots of fat people around... more in
> other parts of the country than here in California.
US population has become bimodal. There are a small number of super fit
guys who run every morning and the rest who walk to their car and use
remote controls for everything else. I was at a conference with a US guy
in the former category and when he got back from his run for breakfast
his rotund compatriots had eaten absolutely *everything* from the
breakfast buffet. The rest of the week he skipped his morning run.
>
> Do you propose to legally limit serving sizes in restaurants?
If that is what it takes then yes. I recognise it would cause problems
for the all you can eat business model.
>
>>> I, like lots of people, like large servings. I eat a third or maybe
>>> half and take the rest to go. That's probably a consequence of the
>>> actual cost of food being a minor component of the restaurant's total
>>> costs.
>> I guess you are right. It may be a cultural thing but doggie bags have a
>> distinct yuck factor for us Europeans. I can't really think of anything
>> worse than taking away well cooked uneaten restaurant food and then
>> warming it up later in the week. I have sometimes done it in the US
>> since it offends me to see so much food go to waste.
>
> It's very common in the US. It use to be considered a bit tasteless,
> but no more.
Gross is the word that springs to mind.
>> If you are into fine dining Relais&Chateaux is fun touring in Europe.
>
> Yup. But I'll eat anything... bread and cheese is fine, too.
>
> The best stuff I had in France was calloulet (in Baune) and
> bouillabaisse (in Marseilles.) I have peasant tastes.
Local food in Normandy around the coast is very good (as is the cider).
Mont St Michel is overpriced and tasteless but worth seeing (not staying
at). Avranche not far away is charming.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Martin Brown
Eating at KFC was by far the worst meal I ever had when I lived in
Japan. I had to take one of our UK engineers there for comfort food to
steady his nerves after an earthquake. He was staying in a tall central
Tokyo hotel at the time. It wasn't that much of an earthquake either.
KFC is unusually popular in Japan at Xmas time as they have a slightly
mangled idea of what a Christmas dinner should be.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Baron
I couldn't agree more. The Calvados is nice too !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
John Larkin
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
You haven't been around here on a Saturday morning. 80% of the runners
are female.
I was at a conference with a US guy
>in the former category and when he got back from his run for breakfast
>his rotund compatriots had eaten absolutely *everything* from the
>breakfast buffet. The rest of the week he skipped his morning run.
>>
>> Do you propose to legally limit serving sizes in restaurants?
>
>If that is what it takes then yes. I recognise it would cause problems
>for the all you can eat business model.
>>
>>>> I, like lots of people, like large servings. I eat a third or maybe
>>>> half and take the rest to go. That's probably a consequence of the
>>>> actual cost of food being a minor component of the restaurant's total
>>>> costs.
>>> I guess you are right. It may be a cultural thing but doggie bags have a
>>> distinct yuck factor for us Europeans. I can't really think of anything
>>> worse than taking away well cooked uneaten restaurant food and then
>>> warming it up later in the week. I have sometimes done it in the US
>>> since it offends me to see so much food go to waste.
>>
>> It's very common in the US. It use to be considered a bit tasteless,
>> but no more.
>
>Gross is the word that springs to mind.
What's gross bout asking a restaurant to package uneaten food? It's
not much different from ordering take-out. We went to a neighborhood
Thai place on Friday night and ordered three dishes ($30, including
beer), about twice what we could eat, enjoyed the variety, took the
rest home, and had it for lunch on Sunday. What's gross about that? It
was great both times. Some things, like fried foods, just don't work
leftover, but many things do. Confession: I like leftover
half-hamburgers, if they're good ones.
>>> If you are into fine dining Relais&Chateaux is fun touring in Europe.
>>
>> Yup. But I'll eat anything... bread and cheese is fine, too.
>>
>> The best stuff I had in France was calloulet (in Baune) and
>> bouillabaisse (in Marseilles.) I have peasant tastes.
That was cassoulet, of course. I never did learn to type, which is
weird considering that I've done over a million lines of code by now.
>
>Local food in Normandy around the coast is very good (as is the cider).
>Mont St Michel is overpriced and tasteless but worth seeing (not staying
>at). Avranche not far away is charming.
Mont St Michel is amazing but, as you say, not the place to stay. I
want to visit its twin off the Cornish coast, the Mount of St Michael,
which was featured in the version of 12th Night, this one:
which is just about my favorite movie ever.
John
John Larkin
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:03:12 -0700, John Larkin
>> <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown
>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Larkin wrote:
>
>>>>> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look
>
>>>> True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan)
>>>> obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being
>>>> the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common.
>>
>> Here is one thing KFC is currently offering in Asia:-
>>
>> http://www.speff.com/kfc.jpg
>>
>> In USD terms, that's the equivalent of $1.97 and the magic wand is
>> making another of those breading-encrusted deep fried chicken patties
>> appear for a modest 15-cent adder. They offer delivery too, in case
>> you're too fat to waddle a few blocks. Total EUR 1.42 (tax included).
>>
>> Looks like lots of mayo oozing out too..
>
>Eating at KFC was by far the worst meal I ever had when I lived in
>Japan. I had to take one of our UK engineers there for comfort food to
>steady his nerves after an earthquake. He was staying in a tall central
>Tokyo hotel at the time. It wasn't that much of an earthquake either.
>
>KFC is unusually popular in Japan at Xmas time as they have a slightly
>mangled idea of what a Christmas dinner should be.
KFC is greasy and gross. Popeye's (which started in New Orleans) is
the best fried chicken chain. Their chicken is Grade A and cooked
right, and their sides - cajun fries, red beans and rice - are
excellent.
But I can't rave over British cuisine. I did have some excellent
Italian food in Oxford, in a place run by Italians, but that's about
it. I'm not a fan of Indian food, so most meals in Britain were
ordeals.
John
Phil Hobbs
British home cooking can be amazing. My last birthday dinner was:
Roast beef, Yorkshire pudding, pan gravy, roasted potatoes, grilled root
vegetables, with steamed 3-ginger pudding for dessert. My English
grandmother would have made just about the same thing.
John Larkin
As Mo says about cooking in the Northeast, everything on the plate is
white or brown or grey. Sort of like the cars.
John
ChrisQ
>
> You haven't been around here on a Saturday morning. 80% of the runners
> are female.
>
That would be agood enough reason to get fit :-)...
>
Regards,
Chris
ChrisQ
>
> As Mo says about cooking in the Northeast, everything on the plate is
> white or brown or grey. Sort of like the cars.
>
> John
>
I was born on the the north and wasn't true even that long ago. Things
have moved on as well. The vegetables (white, green, orange) are steamed
and often al dente to preserve the nutrients...
Regards,
Chris
Phil Hobbs
You say that like it's a bad thing. The 'root vegetables' had beets and
squash and leeks as well as onions, carrots, and parsnips, plus the
pudding was like gingerbread and was served with nice yellowish custard.
Amazing.
Jim Thompson
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Only Ms Prissy knows what's good for you to eat. Coming soon as
another Obama Czarina ;-)
Joerg
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:12 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> <boast_mode>
>> I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of
>> any sort, it's all done from scratch.
>> </boast_mode>
>
> We get *fresh* (never frozen, unpackaged) patties made up with spices
> and such..
> they're a great time saver.. good stuff like blue cheese in there.
>
> Same with fresh already-marinated kebabs and lean boneless chicken
> breasts.
>
But the real thing is still to whip up your own marinade and use that on
fresh meat. That's what we do.
> Just toss on the barbie.. or Jennair grill if it's too unpleasant
> outside. I'm not sure it isn't more economical than the
> Williams-Sonoma $rubs$ + plain meat from the butcher.
>
It is cheaper, if you time your purchases with a sale. If you pay full
retail pricing then definitely not. My wife has that down to a science.
BTW, we can do charcoal cooking inside. There is an extra stack and
alcove for that. But the "wow" factor wore off a few years after buying
the house and now I do it the redneck way, standing out there in the
driving hail, barbie tied to a post so it doesn't get blown away, beer
in hand :-)
> The frozen stuff in the fancy boxes isn't as good, but the pricier
> President's Choice types are not bad-- certainly handy for teenager
> feeding time if a hungry pack of them is prowling around.
>
Yeah, with food and teenagers it has to be fast, and right now.
Joerg
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:12 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> krw wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:41:57 +0100, Baron
>>> <baron....@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
>>>> I must admit that since the brats left the nest, the missus still cooks
>>>> for four, so we end up eating half and freezing half for another day.
>>>> Very little waste at all nowadays.
>>> Except for things like roasts, my wife downsized fairly easily.
>>> Packages of chicken or hamburgers ...
>>
>> Packages? Euww.
>
> Yes, we don't grow our own chickens. ;-) Hamburgers we buy in
> patties because the beef is better than we can buy otherwise and they
> cook and hold together better than home made.
>
Hmm, our experiences are exactly opposite. Also, my wife has her secret
recipe of how to spice burgers.
>> <boast_mode>
>> I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of
>> any sort, it's all done from scratch.
>> </boast_mode>
>>
>>
>>> ... get split up and frozen before
>>> cooking. Steaks are bought sized for two. Ground meat is bought in
>>> sizes to cook, though a lot of those meals are either refrozen (e.g.
>>> spaghetti sauce, chili) or reheated.
>>>
>>>>> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad,
>>>>> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's
>>>>> meals are going to come from.
>>>>>
>>>> Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own.
>>> Two schools of thought on that one.
>>>
>> It's not good for the dogs. We never do that, and now we've got three.
>
> The other school of thought is that dogs (not cats) have eaten human
> scraps since they were domesticated (likely the reason they were
> domesticated was that they hung around humans, eating their waste).
> Personally, I'm with you. The "cereals" today are much better for
> dogs.
>
Until very recently, maybe 100 years ago, that would have been perfectly
ok because humans ate whatever nature provided without prior industrial
processing. But nowdays many foods carry a laundry list of chemicals in
there. Our shepherd doesn't even tolerate preservatives in dog food,
results in a yucky brown splotch on the carpet.
>>>> But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted nationally.
>>>> You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local
>>>> supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled.
>>> Blame your local weenies. They landfill it because if they gave it
>>> away the liability would be enormous. It's not good enough for the
>>> buying public so "the poor" shouldn't be force to eat it, or so goes
>>> the "logic".
>>
>> Yep, tort law is a huge problem in our country. But at least our food
>> bank goes out and picks up stuff from stores where they can see that it
>> won't sell by an expiration date. Plus fruits and vegetables from
>> gardens of congregation members, and that's the best stuff you can get.
>
> Wait until weenie lawyer gets done with your parishioners.
>
We'll make sure they'll go straight to purgatory :-))
Our church isn't rich and ambulance chasers only go after deep pockets
because what they are really interested in is their cut. One lawyer here
just won a (fairly easy) malpractice case and pocketed roughly a cool
million bucks. That's our _real_ health care problem but under this
administration that will obviously not be fixed.
Joerg
> John Larkin wrote:
[...]
>> Do you propose to legally limit serving sizes in restaurants?
>
> If that is what it takes then yes. I recognise it would cause problems
> for the all you can eat business model.
The government regulating how much people are allowed to eat? You've got
to be kidding ...
What's next? Each Orwellian gets a certain allotment of air he or she is
allowed to breathe?
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>krw wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:12 -0700, Joerg <inv...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> krw wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:41:57 +0100, Baron
>>>> <baron....@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>>>> I must admit that since the brats left the nest, the missus still cooks
>>>>> for four, so we end up eating half and freezing half for another day.
>>>>> Very little waste at all nowadays.
>>>> Except for things like roasts, my wife downsized fairly easily.
>>>> Packages of chicken or hamburgers ...
>>>
>>> Packages? Euww.
>>
>> Yes, we don't grow our own chickens. ;-) Hamburgers we buy in
>> patties because the beef is better than we can buy otherwise and they
>> cook and hold together better than home made.
>>
>
>Hmm, our experiences are exactly opposite. Also, my wife has her secret
>recipe of how to spice burgers.
>
>
[snip]
I don't "pre-spice" burgers. What I do occasionally is put cheese
between two patties and press/seal the edges before grilling... inside
out cheeseburger ;-)
Joerg
Pre-spicing is soooo good. We even do it with turkey, sometimes using a
huge injection tool.
For burgers my wife usually adds in crushed chips, one particular type.
Put in ziplock bag, crush with pin roller until almost down to a powder.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
I have occasionally used onion soup mix as a "filler" ;-)
I prefer Filet Mignon (or Rib Eye) myself ;-)
Joerg
Aha, looks like piece by piece we'll get a confession here :-)
> I prefer Filet Mignon (or Rib Eye) myself ;-)
>
Ok, but you sure wouldn't every day. Yesterday we had ribs and bratwurst
from the barbie. Yum.
Rich Grise
Swiss run the railroads, the Germans do the repairs, and the Italians
are the lovers.
In Hell, the Germans run the police, the French do the repais, the
Italians run the railroads, the Swiss are the lovers, and the British
do the cooking.
;-)
Rich
Jim Thompson
wrote:
I must admit an affinity for German sausages... maybe sausages in
general ;-)
Occasionally my wife brings home some German apple sausages for
breakfast... yum... yum... yum ;-)
Jim Thompson
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown
><|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:48:15 +0100, Martin Brown
>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population determined
>>>> to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes, their knees
>>>> and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a problem of too much
>>>> junk food and not enough exercise. A national health system encouraging
>>>> better diet might actually decrease these costs. The existing private
>>>> one doesn't care so long as the punters are insured and profitable.
>>>
>>> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look
>>
>>True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan)
>>obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being
>>the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common.
>>
>>And it tends to be the poorer members of society that eat the most junk
>>food - it is after all the cheapest mass produced food.
>>
>>> it up. In the US, we have a large minority population that, I think,
>>> is poorly adapted to the european-type diet full of wheat, meat,
>>> sugar, and dairy products. Pacific Islanders and native Americans seem
>>> most affected - rampant overweight and diabetes - and Africans too.
>>
>>But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>>restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>
>It's not a conspiracy; the restaurants offer what people want.
>
>I take the leftovers to go. I get two or three meals from one
>restaurant serving. Two or three meals from a $7 entree is a pretty
>good deal, and it avoids cooking some week-nights.
>
>I do recall a prix-fixe meal at Paul Bocuse' place that was
>overwhelming, and I couldn't take it home. And not $9.
>
>Last time I was in the UK, a couple of years ago, I met a lot of fat
>engineers.
>
>John
Thanks so much for providing ample data for a troll-feeder filter.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Martin Brown wrote:
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:48:15 +0100, Martin Brown
>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population
>>>> determined to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes,
>>>> their knees and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a
>>>> problem of too much junk food and not enough exercise. A national
>>>> health system encouraging better diet might actually decrease these
>>>> costs. The existing private one doesn't care so long as the punters
>>>> are insured and profitable.
>>>
>>> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look
>>
>> True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan)
>> obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being
>> the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common.
>>
>
>People don't have to eat it. I never do. They have choices, and brains.
>
>
>> And it tends to be the poorer members of society that eat the most junk
>> food - it is after all the cheapest mass produced food.
>>
>
>That is a myth, and false. Lots of people think "Oh, a 99c burger, let's
>all go there". Then the whole family scrambles into the car. Now li'l
>Joey also wants a side order of fries and a coke. Oh, and ice cream. Ol'
>Leroy is still hungry after the 99c burger and opts straight for
>another, but this time the super-duper-$3.99-triple-decker. By the time
>it's all said and done $30-$40 are gone, plus gasoline. For that kind of
>money you can cook a fine meal and feed the whole family plus the
>neighbors, and have leftovers.
>
>
>>> it up. In the US, we have a large minority population that, I think,
>>> is poorly adapted to the european-type diet full of wheat, meat,
>>> sugar, and dairy products. Pacific Islanders and native Americans seem
>>> most affected - rampant overweight and diabetes - and Africans too.
>>
>> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular
>> restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population.
>>
>
>You can ask for smaller portions or, if well over 50, a senior-size meal
>(less money). Also, they'll gladly pack you a doggie bag. Ownership of a
>dog not required. It's all a matter of discipline. When do we stop
>wanting the government or business to decide stuff for us?
>
>
>>> The US policy of keeping up sugar prices hurts too, since corn syrup
>>> is probably worse for health than real sugar.
>>
>> High fructose corn syrup is a pretty nasty concoction. It would not
>> surprise me at all if it were implicated in causing diabetes.
>>
>
>We don't even have it in our kitchen. Very little sweet stuff is used.
>Tonight we will have a large mixed salad, slowly baked marinated pork
>chops, roasted potatoes with onions. Costs less than fast food, tastes
>infinitely better, and is healthy. Ok, the pork chops maybe not but in
>moderation that's ok.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>ChrisQ wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is
>> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no
>> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else
>> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from
>> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff
>> gets funded from the state with common consent.
>>
>
>Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health care
>in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In the
>mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for the two
>of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a non-private
>plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse. That is hardly
>free, is it?
>
>[...]
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Martin Brown wrote:
>> Joerg wrote:
>>> ChrisQ wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is
>>>> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no
>>>> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else
>>
>> And health insurance is still offered as a (taxable) employee perk.
>>
>>>> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from
>>>> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff
>>>> gets funded from the state with common consent.
>>
>> Crucially in a medical emergency they do not look for your
>> credit/insurance card first.
>>
>>> Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health
>>> care in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In
>>> the mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for
>>> the two of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a
>>> non-private plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse.
>>> That is hardly free, is it?
>>
>> 400 Euros/month? That seems a bit on the high side.
>
>
>That is the top rate. As a consultant I had to pay 100% of premiums on
>my own.
>
>
>> What happens to those in Germany who cannot pay the premiums?
>>
>
>The unemployed get it at taxpayer cost. People making less money must
>pay, it is deducted as a percentage from their salary so in effect its a
>sliding scale. They do not have any say in this, it's simply deducted.
>Self-employed who do not pay have no insurance, they will get socked
>into bankruptcy if they become really sick. Just like in the US.
>
>
>> I can't recall exactly what it was in Belgium for the major operations
>> state insurance option with a couple of thousand Euro excess but ISTR it
>> was a lot less than that. But whichever way you look at it their system
>> is way more efficient than the US robber baron model.
>>
>
>When I look at cancer survival ratings I do not agree.