OT: Avoid Flu Shots..
Robert Baer
by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html
"There is also a lack of evidence that young children benefit from flu
shots. A systematic review of 51 studies involving 260,000 children age
6 to 23 months found no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more
effective than a placebo (Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2006;1:CD004879)."
Two-thirds of the vaccines made for the 2008?09 flu season, 100 million
of them, contain full-dose thimerosal, an organomercury compound, which
is 49% mercury by weight. (An unidentified number of the other 50
million vaccines contain either "no" or "trace" amounts of thimerosal.)
It is used to disinfect the vaccine. Each one of these 100 million flu
shots contain 25 micrograms of mercury, a mercury content that is 50,000
part per billion, 250 times more than the Environmental Protection
Agency?s safety limit. Mercury is a neurotoxin, which has a toxicity
level 1,000 times that of lead.
There is some evidence that flu shots cause Alzheimer?s disease. This
most likely is a result of combining mercury with aluminum and
formaldehyde, which renders them much more toxic together through a
synergistic effect than each would be alone. One investigator has
reported that people who received the flu vaccine each year for 3 to 5
years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing Alzheimer?s disease
than people who did not have any flu shots (Int J Clin Invest
2005;1:1?4). (The brains of people with Alzheimer?s disease display
three pathologic hallmarks: neurofibillary tangles, amyloid plaques, and
phosphorylation of tau protein. Brain cells grown in test tubes develop
these changes when exposed to nanomolar doses of mercury, doses similar
to the amount of mercury a person gets from a flu shot.)
Mercury in vaccines has also been implicated as a cause of autism.
Vaccine makers have now removed thimerosal from all childhood vaccines,
except flu shots. For more on this subject see my article "Mercury on
the Mind," with its recommended reading list, and Evidence of Harm:
Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical Controversy by
David Kirby.
Jim Thompson
Not to mention that flu vaccines are concocted from last year's strain
and are pretty much useless.
...Jim Thompson
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>
> Mercury in vaccines has also been implicated as a cause of autism.
No they have not.
At least, in no refereed scientific studies of which I am aware.
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JeffM
>>Mercury in vaccines has also been implicated as a cause of autism.
>>
>No they have not.
>At least, in no refereed scientific studies of which I am aware.
The "study" that started all this hysteria had been soundly
discredited.
The lead "researcher" should be in prison for fraud.
His associates in the study have denounced his conclusions;
numerous medical organizations have reviewed his work
and all of them call it garbage.
http://google.com/search?q=cache:FXbxL_NxwV0J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield+*-*-deny-*-any-link-*-*-*+inc+inc+*-misconduct+fatally.flawed+*-not-*-*-disclosed+retraction+inc+resigned+dishonesty+no.evidence+inc+inc+inc+suppressing.and.falsifying.data+conflict.of.interest+inc+inc+inc+dishonestly+no-*-link&strip=1#Professional_misconduct_charges
Don Klipstein
Baer wrote:
<A tirade against flu shots, with a lot of mention of mercury and some
mention of formaldehyde>
I get wary about chemophobic-sounding tirades against <whatever>,
especially when they bring up formaldehyde. Humans don't have a need for
zero tolerance of formaldehyde, but have a need to tolerate trace amounts.
Ever eat any live green plants being exposed to light? The first
intermediate step of converting CO2 and H2O into carbohydrates and oxygen
is:
CO2 + H2O + photochemical energy ==> O2 + CH2O
As it turns out, I was in class the day my 10th grade biology teacher
said this, and it was in my biology textbook.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Robert Baer
autism.
*NO* mention of mercury, meaning that this reference is non-sequiter
and not relevant.
Robert Baer
Don Klipstein
Given the high survival rate and low brain damage rate from when "linear"
fluorescent lamps (with widespread use at least back into the 1960's) got
dumped into dumpsters, and from when fever thermometers and
all-too-frequently-busted 11th-grade chemistry lab thermometers had
mercury, and from when some major participants in sci.electronics.design
played with mercury to extent maybe outright as a toy (IIRC), I see huge
bigtime lack of Americans at risk of becoming "mad hatters", and great
lack of the nuttier nuts in sci.electronics.design becoming nutcases from
mercury or other politically incorrect chemicals.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Martin Brown
> JeffM wrote:
>>> Robert Baer wrote:
>>>> Mercury in vaccines has also been implicated as a cause of autism.
No it hasn't. There are no reputable studies that show any correlation.
There are quack doctors around that will tell parents with autistic
children that it does and then they try to sue to the vaccine
manufacturers for damages.
This is another of those scare stories for the worried well to send them
off for massively more expensive and totally ineffective homeopathic
remedies and other quackery.
>>>>
>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>> No they have not.
>>> At least, in no refereed scientific studies of which I am aware.
>>
>> The "study" that started all this hysteria had been soundly
>> discredited.
>> The lead "researcher" should be in prison for fraud.
>> His associates in the study have denounced his conclusions;
>> numerous medical organizations have reviewed his work
>> and all of them call it garbage.
>> http://google.com/search?q=cache:FXbxL_NxwV0J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield+*-*-deny-*-any-link-*-*-*+inc+inc+*-misconduct+fatally.flawed+*-not-*-*-disclosed+retraction+inc+resigned+dishonesty+no.evidence+inc+inc+inc+suppressing.and.falsifying.data+conflict.of.interest+inc+inc+inc+dishonestly+no-*-link&strip=1#Professional_misconduct_charges
>>
> Err..the fake "study" was about the supposed relation of measles to
> autism.
MMR triple vaccine. The researcher genuinely believed what he wrote in
the paper, he was wrong but the unfortunate effect was to destroy uptake
of the MMR vaccine in the UK. Parts of London have lost herd immunity
for all three diseases and a serious epidemic of measles is now almost
certain. People have forgotten just how nasty these childhood diseases are.
http://www.hpa.org.uk/webw/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1218093967161?p=1204186170287
> *NO* mention of mercury, meaning that this reference is non-sequiter
> and not relevant.
See for example the scientific evidence on mercury in vaccines:
http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_detail.cfv?id=42
and
http://www.immunisation.nhs.uk/files/thiomersalfsht.pdf
Do not rely on Baers scare stories from some kooky website!
The flu vaccine may or may not be adequate but not having it if you are
in an at risk group because of fear of the mercury content is insane.
The amount of mercury present is roughly equal to the WHO recommended
maximum daily intake of the more dangerous methyl mercury for a 100kg adult.
You are more likely to exceed that from eating predatory fish too often.
Regards,
Martin Brown
GregS
FluMist is the best cause it has live virus in the mix, and is more effective.
I used to have stock in the company, but not now.
greg
JeffM
>>>>Mercury in vaccines has also been implicated as a cause of autism.
>>>
>>The "study" that started all this hysteria
>>The lead "researcher" should be in prison for fraud[...]
>>http://google.com/search?q=cache:FXbxL_NxwV0J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield+*-*-deny-*-any-link-*-*-*+inc+inc+*-misconduct+fatally.flawed+*-not-*-*-disclosed+retraction+inc+resigned+dishonesty+no.evidence+inc+inc+inc+suppressing.and.falsifying.data+conflict.of.interest+inc+inc+inc+dishonestly+no-*-link&strip=1#Professional_misconduct_charges
>>
Robert Baer wrote:
>Err..the fake "study" was about
>the supposed relation of measles to autism.
>
>*NO* mention of mercury,
>meaning that this reference is non-sequiter and not relevant.
>
When you don't understand an abbreviation,
there are tools to help you out of your ignorance:
http://google.com/search?q=define:MMR
http://www.acronymfinder.com/MMR.html
This **single** study is the **sole** basis for the hysteria.
That's "Hysteria": The word is derived from
the irrational things that women think when on their periods.
My link also mentions that
when the "study" didn't yield the conclusion desired,
the "researcher" tweaked the data to achieved the
results that had been expected by the party funding the "study".
Again, the "researcher" should be in prison.
Not only has this sole "study" to have "found a link"
been completely reputiated,
OTHER attempts to REPEAT the study have FAILED.
(It's called "The Scientific Method";
you should investigate that concept some time.)
...and in the process of opening your mind,
it would be good if you could learn to filter out nonsense.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> Robert Baer wrote:
>> JeffM wrote:
>>>> Robert Baer wrote:
>>>>> Mercury in vaccines has also been implicated as a cause of autism.
>
> No it hasn't. There are no reputable studies that show any correlation.
> There are quack doctors around that will tell parents with autistic
> children that it does and then they try to sue to the vaccine
> manufacturers for damages.
>
> This is another of those scare stories for the worried well to send them
> off for massively more expensive and totally ineffective homeopathic
> remedies and other quackery.
http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=338cc374d422d29bb16c7947036257be
Cheers!
Rich
Nobody
> So you are patently ignoring the mercury issue???
Mercury in vaccines is a non-issue due to the miniscule quantities and
infrequent use. Use of Thiomersal is so widespread and long-standing that
it shouldn't have been hard to establish a link, if one existed.
Mercury itself has its risks. Like most heavy metals, it's
bio-accumulative, so most the risks relate to long-term exposure.
E.g. mercury in dental amalgam isn't a risk for the patient, but it has
been shown to be a significant risk for dentists and dental nurses exposed
to the dust on a daily basis.
Similarly, mercury levels in fish could be a problem; assessing the risks
of bio-accumulative toxins is far from straightforward.
The risks from mercury in fluorescent lights is more than offset by their
reduced energy consumption (compared to incandescents), given the mercury
emissions from coal-fired power stations.
JeffM
>Mercury in vaccines is a non-issue
>due to the miniscule quantities and infrequent use.
>Use of Thiomersal is so widespread and long-standing
>that it shouldn't have been hard to establish a link, if one existed.
The fact that mercury-bearing preservatives
havn't been used in vaccines any time this century
is an often-overlooked part of this hand-waving saga.
Jim Thompson
[snip]
>
>The risks from mercury in fluorescent lights is more than offset by their
>reduced energy consumption (compared to incandescents), given the mercury
>emissions from coal-fired power stations.
>
Oh, dear! Another mal-informed leftist weenie.
...Jim Thompson
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Lord protect me from fascists, perverts and Democrats
Jim Yanik
news:fts955drc9u9ciksv...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:10:47 +0100, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>>The risks from mercury in fluorescent lights is more than offset by their
>>reduced energy consumption (compared to incandescents), given the mercury
>>emissions from coal-fired power stations.
>>
>
> Oh, dear! Another mal-informed leftist weenie.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
and such a creative screen name..... B-)
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Nobody
Thiomersal has been removed from the vaccines which are part of the
routine vaccination schedule for young children, but it is still used in a
number of other vaccines.
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228
Nobody
>>The risks from mercury in fluorescent lights is more than offset by their
>>reduced energy consumption (compared to incandescents), given the mercury
>>emissions from coal-fired power stations.
>>
>
> Oh, dear! Another mal-informed leftist weenie.
Oh? Maybe you'd like to point out the specific error, rather than
just trolling?
Benj
Hey, if someone named "nobody" says Jim Thompson is a mal-informed
leftist weenie, that seems reason enough for me to believe every thing
Mr. "nobody" says.
Benj
Site.com> wrote:
> Not to mention that flu vaccines are concocted from last year's strain
> and are pretty much useless.
Yeah, this one kills me. I recall the big bird flu flap. The media had
everyone scrambling around for flu shots like a bunch of chickens with
their heads cut off. Only later we come to find out that all these
shots everyone was getting didn't cover the new flu. So all the
paranoid folks actually did no better than I did by doing nothing.
Anyway, in my experience, every time I get a flu shot it seems to give
me some kind of flu. Sure maybe not as bad as a real case, but bad
enough. Finally I decided I'd rather take my chances each year rather
than being SURE I'd get the flu.
Robert Baer
>>>> Robert Baer wrote:
>>>>> Mercury in vaccines has also been implicated as a cause of autism.
>> JeffM wrote:
>>> The "study" that started all this hysteria
>>> [has] been soundly discredited.
>>> The lead "researcher" should be in prison for fraud[...]
>>> http://google.com/search?q=cache:FXbxL_NxwV0J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield+*-*-deny-*-any-link-*-*-*+inc+inc+*-misconduct+fatally.flawed+*-not-*-*-disclosed+retraction+inc+resigned+dishonesty+no.evidence+inc+inc+inc+suppressing.and.falsifying.data+conflict.of.interest+inc+inc+inc+dishonestly+no-*-link&strip=1#Professional_misconduct_charges
>>>
> Robert Baer wrote:
>> Err..the fake "study" was about
>> the supposed relation of measles to autism.
>>
> MMR==Measles/Mumps/Rubella **vaccine**
>
>> *NO* mention of mercury,
>> meaning that this reference is non-sequiter and not relevant.
>>
> When you don't understand an abbreviation,
> there are tools to help you out of your ignorance:
> http://google.com/search?q=define:MMR
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/MMR.html
Charlie E.
wrote:
Well, it looks like I picked up some kind of flu on my trip to Memphis
last weekend. Don't know if it is piggish, but it sure ain't any fun!
Finally starting to come around again.
Charlie
Jim Thompson
How about the energy consumed while manufacturing (all steps) the POS
CFL?
...Jim Thompson
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Don Klipstein
>On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:47:44 +0100, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:31:03 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>>>The risks from mercury in fluorescent lights is more than offset by their
>>>>reduced energy consumption (compared to incandescents), given the mercury
>>>>emissions from coal-fired power stations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, dear! Another mal-informed leftist weenie.
>>
>>Oh? Maybe you'd like to point out the specific error, rather than
>>just trolling?
>
>How about the energy consumed while manufacturing (all steps) the POS
>CFL?
The energy consumed to manufacture it must total something that can be
paid for by the retail price of the CFL, after also paying for items other
than energy such as taxes.
I have seen CFLs that are neither loss leaders nor subsidized, and not
even promo-packs available in single digit quantities at brick-and-mortar
retail stores for $4.
With the number of CFLs I have seen for $2 and less, it appears to me
that the amount of energy needed to turn raw earth into a packaged CFL on
a store shelf in the USA costs a lot less than $2.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Robert Baer
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:47:44 +0100, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:31:03 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>>>> The risks from mercury in fluorescent lights is more than offset by their
>>>> reduced energy consumption (compared to incandescents), given the mercury
>>>> emissions from coal-fired power stations.
>>>>
>>> Oh, dear! Another mal-informed leftist weenie.
>> Oh? Maybe you'd like to point out the specific error, rather than
>> just trolling?
>
> How about the energy consumed while manufacturing (all steps) the POS
> CFL?
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Incandescents may be less efficient but are lest costly to the
environment (eg: energy and time consumed while manufacturing).
Don Klipstein
Baer wrote:
Total energy consumption, operating and manufacturing combined:
Incandescents consume more. The cost of a CFL includes the cost of the
energy used to make, package and deliver it when it is not subsidized or a
loss leader.
Many CFLs are available for about $2. Even if 100% of that cost is
energy, nothing for taxes, insurance/liability, etc. that is about .03
barrel of petroleum. That equates to around 20 KWH at typical efficiency
of generating and delivering electricity. Replacing a 60 watt
incandescent with a 20 watt CFL saves twice that much even should the CFL
only last as long as the incandescent.
Total mercury contribution to environment, combintion of that in the
lamp and that released by coal burning to power the lamp during its
lifetime (In USA, about half of electric energy is produced by burning
coal):
For usual household lamp wattages (60-100 watts), on average,
incandescents result in more mercury entering the environment - even if
rate of proper disposal of CFLs is zero. And some people are aware of
www.lamprecycle.org and the fact that Home Depot accepts dead CFLs.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Nobody
>>>>The risks from mercury in fluorescent lights is more than offset by their
>>>>reduced energy consumption (compared to incandescents), given the mercury
>>>>emissions from coal-fired power stations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, dear! Another mal-informed leftist weenie.
>>
>>Oh? Maybe you'd like to point out the specific error, rather than
>>just trolling?
>
> How about the energy consumed while manufacturing (all steps) the POS
> CFL?
Don has already covered that adequately.
BTW, I wasn't referring specifically to CFLs. I prefer the non-compact
types; I find these last a lot longer than CFLs.
Robert Baer
Rich Grise
And after its two-month life, the mercury and lead go into the landfill.
Thanks,
Rich
Rich Grise
> In article <RqqdnQAJ4aGw9cXX...@posted.localnet>, Robert
> Baer wrote:
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:47:44 +0100, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:31:03 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The risks from mercury in fluorescent lights is more than offset by their
>>>>>> reduced energy consumption (compared to incandescents), given the mercury
>>>>>> emissions from coal-fired power stations.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, dear! Another mal-informed leftist weenie.
>>>> Oh? Maybe you'd like to point out the specific error, rather than
>>>> just trolling?
>>>
>>> How about the energy consumed while manufacturing (all steps) the POS
>>> CFL?
>>>
>> Incandescents may be less efficient but are lest costly to the
>>environment (eg: energy and time consumed while manufacturing).
>
> Total energy consumption, operating and manufacturing combined:
>
> Incandescents consume more. The cost of a CFL includes the cost of the
> energy used to make, package and deliver it when it is not subsidized or a
> loss leader.
> Many CFLs are available for about $2. Even if 100% of that cost is
> energy, nothing for taxes, insurance/liability, etc. that is about .03
> barrel of petroleum. That equates to around 20 KWH at typical efficiency
> of generating and delivering electricity. Replacing a 60 watt
> incandescent with a 20 watt CFL saves twice that much even should the CFL
> only last as long as the incandescent.
I've never seen one even _approach_ the life of an incandescent. The
most life I've ever gotton from one of those pieces of crap has
been about three months.
So you use six times as many (if you're foolish enough to continue
to spend money on crap), and all of that mercury and lead end up in
the landfill.
By the way, howcome the warmingists haven't noticed that there isn't
any warming going on, despite skyrocketing CO2 levels?
Is it simply that faith trumps facts?
Thanks,
Rich
Rich Grise
So, when are they expected to come up with a screw-in LED assembly
that's as bright as a 100-watt incandescent?
Thanks,
Rich
Don Klipstein
>On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:56:46 +0000, Don Klipstein wrote:
<SNIP to edit for space>
>> Many CFLs are available for about $2. Even if 100% of that cost is
>> energy, nothing for taxes, insurance/liability, etc. that is about .03
>> barrel of petroleum. That equates to around 20 KWH at typical efficiency
>> of generating and delivering electricity. Replacing a 60 watt
>> incandescent with a 20 watt CFL saves twice that much even should the CFL
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> only last as long as the incandescent.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I've never seen one even _approach_ the life of an incandescent. The
>most life I've ever gotton from one of those pieces of crap has
>been about three months.
I have illuminated my home almost entirely with CFLs since 1990. My
experience is that most last between 60% and 90% of their claimed life.
The ones lasting less in my experience were:
1) Dollar store stool specimens of brands found mainly in dollar stores
2) Quite a few by Lights of America (I largely stopped using those in
2001)
3) One GE 25 watt spiral model that appeared to be from a bad production
run around 2001, and appearing to me to be like a Lights of America 25
watt model that I had bad experience with
4) Ones with built-in glow-switch starters when used in a bathroom
(average life around 1500 hours)
Outside my home, I find most premature CFL failures to be along these
lines, although in addition to ones overheating in small enclosed fixtures
and recessed ceiling fixtures. There are CFLs rated to take the heat of
such spaces, however. Also, my experience is that CFLs under 15 watts
usually hold up well in such spaces even if they are not rated to.
>So you use six times as many (if you're foolish enough to continue
>to spend money on crap), and all of that mercury and lead end up in
>the landfill.
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)