Ping John Larkin.
Eeyore
healthy to me.
http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=12709093
" Detroit: Jaguar unveils its 510hp XFR saloon
Launching a 510hp supercharged XF flies in the face of the financial
climate, let alone the more eco-conscious times we now live in.
But who gives a stuff - to be honest we need a bit of cheering up and
Jaguar's new XFR is just the car to do it........
To underline the XFR's potential Jaguar headed out to the famous salt
flats in Bonneville, Utah and set an astonishing speed of 225.675mph,
making it the fastest Jag ever. ECU, intake and exhaust mods, plus more
supercharger boost and aerodynamic tweaks, unleashed the extra speed but
the gearbox and running gear were standard kit.
The road car is limited to 155mph but the speed run underlines the XFR's
potential and should successfully put the frighteners on the
competition. And that's not all for the XF, Jaguar also revealing a new
normally aspirated V8 with 385hp and an all-new 275hp V6 diesel. The new
models will reach showrooms in March. "
What's the best US competitor ? Has to be a full-size sedan remember !
Graham
John Larkin
Stuffing an enormous tweaked engine into a one-off chassis, and
running it at Bonneville, is a sign of a healthy industry? In that
game, 225 MPH is nothing better than pitiful.
Besides, Jag isn't a British car company; it's an Indian car company.
John
Bob Eld
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:497200F0...@hotmail.com...
Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
Me thinks the British car industry is in no better shape than the American
one.
Jim Thompson
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:01:52 +0000, Eeyore
><rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Was it you who said the British auto industry had problems ? Seems
>>healthy to me.
>>
>>http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=12709093
>>
>>" Detroit: Jaguar unveils its 510hp XFR saloon
>>
>>Launching a 510hp supercharged XF flies in the face of the financial
>>climate, let alone the more eco-conscious times we now live in.
>>
>>But who gives a stuff - to be honest we need a bit of cheering up and
>>Jaguar's new XFR is just the car to do it........
>>
>>To underline the XFR's potential Jaguar headed out to the famous salt
>>flats in Bonneville, Utah and set an astonishing speed of 225.675mph,
>>making it the fastest Jag ever. ECU, intake and exhaust mods, plus more
>>supercharger boost and aerodynamic tweaks, unleashed the extra speed but
>>the gearbox and running gear were standard kit.
>>
>>The road car is limited to 155mph but the speed run underlines the XFR's
>>potential and should successfully put the frighteners on the
>>competition. And that's not all for the XF, Jaguar also revealing a new
>>normally aspirated V8 with 385hp and an all-new 275hp V6 diesel. The new
>>models will reach showrooms in March. "
>>
>>What's the best US competitor ? Has to be a full-size sedan remember !
My 4-year-old car, normally aspirated...
http://www.infinitihelp.com/models/2005/Q45/Description.htm
340hp
Wanna drag ?:-)
[snip]
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krw
wrote:
If you consider a dead man in "no better shape" than a man diagnosed
with cancer.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
[snip]
>
>Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
>wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
>
[snip]
Only if they're nice round, firm Ta-Ta's ;-)
Eeyore
John Larkin wrote:
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Was it you who said the British auto industry had problems ? Seems
> >healthy to me.
> >
> >http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=12709093
> >
> >" Detroit: Jaguar unveils its 510hp XFR saloon
> >
> >Launching a 510hp supercharged XF flies in the face of the financial
> >climate, let alone the more eco-conscious times we now live in.
> >
> >But who gives a stuff - to be honest we need a bit of cheering up and
> >Jaguar's new XFR is just the car to do it........
> >
> >To underline the XFR's potential Jaguar headed out to the famous salt
> >flats in Bonneville, Utah and set an astonishing speed of 225.675mph,
> >making it the fastest Jag ever. ECU, intake and exhaust mods, plus more
> >supercharger boost and aerodynamic tweaks, unleashed the extra speed but
> >the gearbox and running gear were standard kit.
> >
> >The road car is limited to 155mph but the speed run underlines the XFR's
> >potential and should successfully put the frighteners on the
> >competition. And that's not all for the XF, Jaguar also revealing a new
> >normally aspirated V8 with 385hp and an all-new 275hp V6 diesel. The new
> >models will reach showrooms in March. "
> >
> >What's the best US competitor ? Has to be a full-size sedan remember !
>
>
> Stuffing an enormous tweaked engine
The engine was standard size. Only the ECU was tweaked.
> into a one-off chassis,
Nothing about a one-off chassis.
> and running it at Bonneville, is a sign of a healthy industry? In that
> game, 225 MPH is nothing better than pitiful.
For a SEDAN that seats 4 people. ?
> Besides, Jag isn't a British car company; it's an Indian car company.
Last time I looked it was still located here. Who OWNS, GM, Ford and Chrysler
anyway ?
And you still haven't answered my question. What US sedan can compete with
that ?
Graham
Eeyore
Bob Eld wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > Was it you who said the British auto industry had problems ? Seems
> > healthy to me.
> >
> > http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/car_news_article.aspx?cp-documentid=12709093
> >
> > " Detroit: Jaguar unveils its 510hp XFR saloon
> >
> > Launching a 510hp supercharged XF flies in the face of the financial
> > climate, let alone the more eco-conscious times we now live in.
> >
> > But who gives a stuff - to be honest we need a bit of cheering up and
> > Jaguar's new XFR is just the car to do it........
> >
> > To underline the XFR's potential Jaguar headed out to the famous salt
> > flats in Bonneville, Utah and set an astonishing speed of 225.675mph,
> > making it the fastest Jag ever. ECU, intake and exhaust mods, plus more
> > supercharger boost and aerodynamic tweaks, unleashed the extra speed but
> > the gearbox and running gear were standard kit.
> >
> > The road car is limited to 155mph but the speed run underlines the XFR's
> > potential and should successfully put the frighteners on the
> > competition. And that's not all for the XF, Jaguar also revealing a new
> > normally aspirated V8 with 385hp and an all-new 275hp V6 diesel. The new
> > models will reach showrooms in March. "
> >
> > What's the best US competitor ? Has to be a full-size sedan remember !
> >
> > Graham
>
> Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
> wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
Jaguar have had various owners over the years.
> Me thinks the British car industry is in no better shape than the American
> one.
We make vastly better cars at greater productivity levels.
" Nissan Motor Manufacturing (UK) Ltd, or NMUK is a car manufacturing plant in
Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom. It is owned and operated by the
European division of Japanese car manufacturer Nissan. It is the largest car
plant in the United Kingdom, and the most productive in Europe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Motor_Manufacturing_(UK)_Ltd
Heck, aren't US cars still using PUSHRODS ? Bwahahahahahhaaaaa !
Graham
Eeyore
Jim Thompson wrote:
Well, you're 170 bhp down, so I don't see it being much of a contest really.
There's nothing clever about being normally aspirated either, it's generally
assocated with higher fuel consumption on a like-for-like basis.
Plus They don't exist in Europe. Aside from Switzerland it seems.
"Infiniti is the luxury car division of Japanese automaker Nissan Motor Co.,
Ltd. Infiniti sales officially started in November 8, 1989 in North America
and its global operations have since grown to include Mexico, the Middle East,
South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, Switzerland, China & Ukraine."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infiniti
Just a Nissan with a different badge really. Like Lexus and Toyota.
I know which between the Jag and the Infiniti will hold the road better for
sure.
Graham
John Larkin
Having no interest in sedans, or silly demos on salt flats, I wouldn't
know. And who wants a car that can go 3.5 times the speed limit? I'm
certain Jag won't actually sell one that does. So it was a PR stunt,
and a lame one at that.
What Jags are famous for is dropping parts on the road as they zoom
by.
Go fix another disco ball or something.
John
Eeyore
Jim Thompson wrote:
> "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
> >wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
>
> Only if they're nice round, firm Ta-Ta's ;-)
Don't underestimate them. They a vast company.
Revenue: USD 62.5 billion (Feb 2008)
Employees 289,600 (2007).
Tata acquisitions and targets
February 2000 - Tetley Tea Company, $407 million
March 2004 - Daewoo Commercial Vehicle Company, $102 million
August 2004 - NatSteel's Steel business, $292 million
November 2004 - Tyco Global Network, $130 million
July 2005 - Teleglobe International Holdings, $239 million
October 2005 - Good Earth Corporation
December 2005 - Millennium Steel, Thailand, $167 million
December 2005 - Brunner Mond Chemicals Limited, $120 million
June 2006 - Eight O'Clock Coffee, $220 million
November 2006 - Ritz Carlton Boston, $170 million
Jan 2007 - Corus Group, $12 billion
March 2007 - Bumi Resources, $1.1 billion
April 2007 - Campton Place Hotel, San Francisco, $60 million
February 2008 - General Chemical Industrial Products, $1 billion
March 2008 - Jaguar Cars and Land Rover, $2.3 billion
March 2008 - Serviplem SA, Spain
April 2008 - Comoplesa Lebrero SA, Spain
May 2008 - Piaggio Aero Industries S.p.A., Italy
June 2008 - China Enterprise Communications, China
June 2008 - Neotel, South Africa.
October 2008- Miljo Grenland / Innovasjon, Norway
Targets
Close Brothers Group, $2.9 billion
Orient Express Hotels, $2.5 billion
January 2008 - T-Systems International (IT division of Deutsche Telekom)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Group
Graham
Eeyore
krw wrote:
> "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
Some sympathy for your comment there but how many US cars are made of aluminium
? Or Aloooominum as you perversely call it. Even my 1970 model Rover 2000TC had
many aluminium panels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_P6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rover_P6_front_20070831.jpg
Almost identical to mine except mine had twin carbs.
Graham
John Larkin
Moron. Idiot. Usenet pain slut. The Rover V8 is a pushrod engine.
http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/land-rover/discovery/eng-v8
"Only one engine has been fitted to the Discovery continuously from
its introduction in 1989 to the present: Land Rover’s all aluminium,
pushrod V8."
John
Bob Eld
Drop the excessive second "i" as we perversely spell it. Aluminum, Only
four syllables, English is complicated enough without excessive noise.
krw
wrote:
Considering that "aluminum" came first, it is the Donkeylanders who
are the real perverts.
Phil Hobbs
I'm pretty sure that's the same engine that was used in the TR8--it was
the old Buick 215 cubic inch aluminum V8.
Cheers,
Phil Hobbs
John Larkin
Most people want their V8 to be a growling torque monster, not a 7000
RPM sewing machine. Given reasonable cost and size restraints, a
pushrod design can make a lot of sense. It's shorter, cheaper,
quieter, simpler, and gets you more torque per buck. Two banks of OHC
gear is a lot of hardware.
I like my VW inline 5. Too bad it cuts out at 6000 RPM.
John
Eeyore
Bob Eld wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > krw wrote:
> > > "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > > >>
> > > >> What's the best US competitor ? Has to be a full-size sedan remember !
> > > >
> > > >Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
> > > >wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
> > > >
> > > >Me thinks the British car industry is in no better shape than the
> > > >American one.
> > >
> > > If you consider a dead man in "no better shape" than a man diagnosed
> > > with cancer.
> >
> > Some sympathy for your comment there but how many US cars are made of
> > aluminium ? Or Aloooominum as you perversely call it. Even my 1970 model
> Rover
> > 2000TC had many aluminium panels.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_P6
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rover_P6_front_20070831.jpg
> > Almost identical to mine except mine had twin carbs.
> >
> > Graham
>
> Drop the excessive second "i" as we perversely spell it. Aluminum, Only
> four syllables, English is complicated enough without excessive noise.
So you'd also say
Sodum
Potassum
Cadmum
Osmum
Plutonum
Berkelum
Uranum
Calcum
Barum
Helum
Lithum
Polonum
Strontum
Zirconum
to take a few examples ?
FYI, Agnum, Aurum, Plumbum etc were adopted from the original Latin.
Graham
Eeyore
krw wrote:
> Considering that "aluminum" came first, it is the Donkeylanders who
> are the real perverts.
Aluminium was adopted to fit in with the majority of elemental names.
Graham
Eeyore
John Larkin wrote:
> Moron. Idiot. Usenet pain slut. The Rover V8 is a pushrod engine.
An AMERICAN design.
" The Rover V8 engine is a compact V8 internal combustion engine with aluminium
cylinder heads and cylinder block, originally designed by General Motors. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_V8
Simple fact is, we made a success of it, whereas you lot made a pig's breakfast out
of it.
Graham
Eeyore
Phil Hobbs wrote:
> > Moron. Idiot. Usenet pain slut. The Rover V8 is a pushrod engine.
> >
> > http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/land-rover/discovery/eng-v8
> >
> > "Only one engine has been fitted to the Discovery continuously from
> > its introduction in 1989 to the present: Land Rover’s all aluminium,
> > pushrod V8."
>
> I'm pretty sure that's the same engine that was used in the TR8--it was
> the old Buick 215 cubic inch aluminum V8.
You are correct. An original US design dropped by GM for no apparently good reason
and turned into a roaring success by Rover.
" The Rover V8 began life as the Buick 215, an all-aluminium engine introduced for
the 1961 model year. The compact engine was lightweight, at just 144 kg (318 lb), and
capable of high power outputs: the most powerful Buick version of this engine rated
200 hp (149 kW), and the very similar Oldsmobile "Jetfire" turbocharged version made
215 hp (160 kW) (both numbers SAE gross). Based on sales volume and press reports,
the engine was a success. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_V8#History
My P6 2000TC was of course OHC. The recent Saabs I've owned are DOHC.
Graham
Eeyore
John Larkin wrote:
> Most people
IDIOT AMERICANS you mean.
> want their V8 to be a growling torque monster, not a 7000
> RPM sewing machine.
You're clueless.
Graham
John Larkin
Moron, idiot, pain slut, and weasel.
John
John Larkin
Think about the kind of engine you'd want in a Range Rover. Or a
working pickup truck. Or an SUV that has to haul a boat on a trailer
through snow.
The operative suggestion here is "think."
John
Michael A. Terrell
Eeyore wrote:
>
> John Larkin wrote:
>
> > Most people
>
> IDIOT AMERICANS you mean.
Yawn. You're projecting your inadaquacies again.
> > want their V8 to be a growling torque monster, not a 7000
> > RPM sewing machine.
>
> You're clueless.
You should move to Oz to help Phil build his toaster molesting and
recycled sex toy empire.
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Eeyore
John Larkin wrote:
> Moron, idiot, pain slut, and weasel.
You're losing it. BIG TIME.
Do Boeings float in the Hudson River too ?
Graham
Michael A. Terrell
Only on his good days. The rest of the time he is worthless.
Eeyore
John Larkin wrote:
> Think about the kind of engine you'd want in a Range Rover. Or a
> working pickup truck. Or an SUV that has to haul a boat on a trailer
> through snow.
Why would you want to go boating in the middle of winter ?
Graham
Eeyore
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > John Larkin wrote:
> >
> > > Most people
> >
> > IDIOT AMERICANS you mean.
>
> Yawn. You're projecting your inadaquacies again.
>
> > > want their V8 to be a growling torque monster, not a 7000
> > > RPM sewing machine.
> >
> > You're clueless.
>
> You should move to Oz to help Phil build his toaster molesting and
> recycled sex toy empire.
Do you have ANY idea how LAME your moronic comments appear ?
Graham
Eeyore
Jim Thompson wrote:
> >Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>The road car is limited to 155mph but the speed run underlines the XFR's
> >>potential and should successfully put the frighteners on the
> >>competition. And that's not all for the XF, Jaguar also revealing a new
> >>normally aspirated V8 with 385hp and an all-new 275hp V6 diesel. The new
> >>models will reach showrooms in March. "
> >>
> >>What's the best US competitor ? Has to be a full-size sedan remember !
>
> My 4-year-old car, normally aspirated...
>
> http://www.infinitihelp.com/models/2005/Q45/Description.htm
>
> 340hp
>
> Wanna drag ?:-)
But that's a Nissan.
"All current Infiniti coupes, sedans and crossovers are based on the Nissan FM
platform. The center of the engine is placed behind the front wheels. This
placement makes weight distribution more even, which is intended to improve
braking, acceleration, and handling. It also reduces the polar moment of
inertia. The only exception is the QX56 full-size SUV, which rides on the
Nissan F-Alpha platform."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infiniti
Graham
Michael A. Terrell
Clueless. Absolute zero IQ.
Michael A. Terrell
PTB * 10^42
Michael A. Terrell
Do they need to?
Eeyore
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > John Larkin wrote:
> >
> > > Moron, idiot, pain slut, and weasel.
> >
> > You're losing it. BIG TIME.
> >
> > Do Boeings float in the Hudson River too ?
>
> Do they need to?
Are their engines magically free from failure due to bird ingestion ?
Graham
John Larkin
It sank. Wrong again.
" But even though the fuselage was sealed before the plane landed,
Campbell says the water came into the plane quickly. “Within 20 to 30
seconds, water was up to my knees. And I continued to see it coming
in.” "
So, whatever it was supposed to do didn't work very well.
Most airliners are designed with water landings in mind, and most have
provisions for sealing openings for a water ditching. This was
industry practice before Airbus existed, so they hardly pioneered the
concept.
Your pathetic insecurity about being British makes you ignore
easily-found facts and make up others. Why don't you just be British
and enjoy it? I've spent time in most of the US states, France,
Russia, Japan, Ireland, and England, and it's not as bad a place as
you fear it is.
Well, except for the food maybe.
John
John Larkin
To catch fish. And snow happens at other times than "the middle of
winter." Well, it does here.
Looks like the "think" suggestion didn't go over very well.
John
krw
Adopted by perverted donkeys, sure.
krw
Why would you expect it to? It doesn't involve disco balls.
Bob Eld
Don't forget rectum! Rectum Hell, it damn near killed 'um! Actually I
would spell them in the latin way if I were King (sorry Rex). Ferrum,
Natrum, Kalum, etc. Where in the hell did the extra "i" come from? Probably
French like so much else screwed up in the English language.
Bob Eld
Jim Thompson
<pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Wasn't that also referred to as the "Trash8" ?:-)
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ingvald44
> Eeyore wrote:
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>> Think about the kind of engine you'd want in a Range Rover. Or a
>>> working pickup truck. Or an SUV that has to haul a boat on a trailer
>>> through snow.
>> Why would you want to go boating in the middle of winter ?
>
>
> Clueless. Absolute zero IQ.
>
>
Martin Riddle
"John Larkin" <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message news:elq4n4p8rq2t3c00d...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:10:21 +0000, Eeyore
> <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>> Moron, idiot, pain slut, and weasel.
>>
>>You're losing it. BIG TIME.
>>
>>Do Boeings float in the Hudson River too ?
>>
>>Graham
>
> It sank. Wrong again.
>
> " But even though the fuselage was sealed before the plane landed,
> Campbell says the water came into the plane quickly. “Within 20 to 30
> seconds, water was up to my knees. And I continued to see it coming
> in.” "
>
> So, whatever it was supposed to do didn't work very well.
There most likely was structural damage during landing, possibly to the
tail section/cargo hold.
as seen in the pictures the nose rode high in the water. But it did
float for some time.
In any event I'd trust a Boeing over an airbus any day.
This is interesting footage
<http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3452813&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/>
Cheers
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:43:37 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >
> >Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
> >wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
> >
>
> Only if they're nice round, firm Ta-Ta's ;-)
I'm trying to find a way to convince their marketing department to name
their next model "Bodacious".
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Michael A. Terrell
So you would go boating in a Range Rover? That makes you as ignorant
as the Demented Donkey. There are lots of boats and ships used in
winter time, even in frozen waters. It is winter here in Florida, and
lots of boats are out, every day.
Luckily, there were boats out on the Hudson River when that Airbus
crapped out and splashed down.
Michael A. Terrell
How hard is it to shove a donkey into an ice hole?
Michael A. Terrell
They do better with birds than with Donkeys.
krw
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Bob Eld wrote:
>>
>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:49726600...@hotmail.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > John Larkin wrote:
>> >
>> > > Think about the kind of engine you'd want in a Range Rover. Or a
>> > > working pickup truck. Or an SUV that has to haul a boat on a trailer
>> > > through snow.
>> >
>> > Why would you want to go boating in the middle of winter ?
>> >
>> > Graham
>>
>> Ice fishing?
>
>
> How hard is it to shove a donkey into an ice hole?
Dumb Donkey _is_ a farkin' icehole.
Eeyore
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> It is winter here in Florida, and lots of boats are out, every day.
Not with snow on the roads I suspect.
Graham
Eeyore
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
> Luckily, there were boats out on the Hudson River when that Airbus
> crapped out and splashed down.
Most big cities have river boats.
Graham
Eeyore
John Larkin wrote:
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >> Think about the kind of engine you'd want in a Range Rover. Or a
> >> working pickup truck. Or an SUV that has to haul a boat on a trailer
> >> through snow.
> >
> >Why would you want to go boating in the middle of winter ?
>
> To catch fish. And snow happens at other times than "the middle of
> winter." Well, it does here.
>
> Looks like the "think" suggestion didn't go over very well.
I can't "think" of many more unpleasant things to do.
Graham
Eeyore
Bob Eld wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > John Larkin wrote:
> >
> > > Think about the kind of engine you'd want in a Range Rover. Or a
> > > working pickup truck. Or an SUV that has to haul a boat on a trailer
> > > through snow.
> >
> > Why would you want to go boating in the middle of winter ?
>
> Ice fishing?
No such thing here.
Graham
Eeyore
krw wrote:
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >krw wrote:
> >
> >> Considering that "aluminum" came first, it is the Donkeylanders who
> >> are the real perverts.
> >
> >Aluminium was adopted to fit in with the majority of elemental names.
>
> Adopted by perverted donkeys, sure.
Accepted by the WORLD.
The USA is falling further and further behind due to your ignorant
arrogant attitude. No problem. More for us.
Graham
Eeyore
Bob Eld wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >
> > So you'd also say
> >
> > Sodum
> > Potassum
> > Cadmum
> > Osmum
> > Plutonum
> > Berkelum
> > Uranum
> > Calcum
> > Barum
> > Helum
> > Lithum
> > Polonum
> > Strontum
> > Zirconum
> >
> > to take a few examples ?
> >
> > FYI, Agnum, Aurum, Plumbum etc were adopted from the original Latin.
> >
> > Graham
>
> Don't forget rectum! Rectum Hell, it damn near killed 'um! Actually I
> would spell them in the latin way if I were King (sorry Rex). Ferrum,
> Natrum, Kalum, etc. Where in the hell did the extra "i" come from? Probably
> French like so much else screwed up in the English language.
Well, I could have gone on, but there far more 'ium' endings than 'ums'. As you
must know.
BTW - Kalium is how I spell it and also Natrium. Webster did you no favours.
Graham
Eeyore
John Larkin wrote:
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >The engine was standard size. Only the ECU was tweaked.
> >
> >> into a one-off chassis,
> >
> >Nothing about a one-off chassis.
> >
> >> and running it at Bonneville, is a sign of a healthy industry? In that
> >> game, 225 MPH is nothing better than pitiful.
> >
> >For a SEDAN that seats 4 people. ?
> >
> >> Besides, Jag isn't a British car company; it's an Indian car company.
> >
> >Last time I looked it was still located here. Who OWNS, GM, Ford and Chrysler
> >anyway ?
> >
> >And you still haven't answered my question. What US sedan can compete with
> >that ?
>
>
> Having no interest in sedans, or silly demos on salt flats, I wouldn't
> know. And who wants a car that can go 3.5 times the speed limit? I'm
> certain Jag won't actually sell one that does. So it was a PR stunt,
> and a lame one at that.
LAME ? A 4 door sedan that vastly exceeds the speed of many a dedicated supercar
?
Just goes to show how advanced our auto industry is, that it can make a 'family
car' that will 'eat' most supercars for breakfast.
> What Jags are famous for is dropping parts on the road as they zoom
> by.
No they aren't. You're living in the past when Jaguar had the misfortune to be
bundled in with BL (government interference).
Graham
Phil Hobbs
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:17:11 +0000, Eeyore wrote:
>
>> Sodum
>> Potassum
>> Cadmum
>> Osmum
>> Plutonum
>> Berkelum
>> Uranum
>> Calcum
>> Barum
>> Helum
>> Lithum
>> Polonum
>> Strontum
>> Zirconum
>
> Tantalium?
>
> "Potassium" is a prissy Victorian affectation. "Potashium" wasn't highbrow
> enough. Rather like adding a "u" to "color" or spelling "tire" with a "y".
>
C'mon, cut Graham some slack. He's an Englishman, and you know how
obsessive Englismen are about order and efficiency--none of that quaint
traditional stuff that, say, the Germans cling to. The lack of an 'i'
in 'aluminum' probably affects him like the lack of a 'u' in 'color'.
Of course, since he's personally responsible for all those British
successes he's bragging about, I'm surprised that he has any time for
this NG.
Cheers,
Phil Hobbs
Nico Coesel
>
>
>> Me thinks the British car industry is in no better shape than the American
>> one.
>
>We make vastly better cars at greater productivity levels.
>
>" Nissan Motor Manufacturing (UK) Ltd, or NMUK is a car manufacturing plant in
>Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom. It is owned and operated by the
>European division of Japanese car manufacturer Nissan. It is the largest car
>plant in the United Kingdom, and the most productive in Europe."
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Motor_Manufacturing_(UK)_Ltd
I'll let you in on a little secret: car manufacturors make their
workers believe they work at the best factory they have to keep moral
up.
>Heck, aren't US cars still using PUSHRODS ? Bwahahahahahhaaaaa !
I guess US car makers know how to make cars that will sell in the US.
However, the average European will prefer a Lada over any typical US
made car. Although Chevrolet puts special 'designed for Europe' notes
in their advertisments and sales aren't great.
--
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indicates you are not using the right tools...
"If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer!"
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Jim Thompson
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:43:37 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>> >
>> >Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
>> >wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
>> >
>> [snip]
>>
>> Only if they're nice round, firm Ta-Ta's ;-)
>
>I'm trying to find a way to convince their marketing department to name
>their next model "Bodacious".
Sno-o-o-o-ort ;-)
Bob Eld
Well, Some Global Warming denying Russians claim we are entering a new Ice
Age. Maybe you wont have long to wait for enough ice to go ice fishing!
krw
There aren't many disco balls these days and Lucas doesn't make 'em so
the Dumb Donkey has lots of time on his hands.
krw
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
We all understand that thinking is unpleasant for you, Dumb Donkey.
Perhaps that's why you are such a dumb ass.
John Larkin
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>John Larkin wrote:
>
>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >The engine was standard size. Only the ECU was tweaked.
>> >
>> >> into a one-off chassis,
>> >
>> >Nothing about a one-off chassis.
>> >
>> >> and running it at Bonneville, is a sign of a healthy industry? In that
>> >> game, 225 MPH is nothing better than pitiful.
>> >
>> >For a SEDAN that seats 4 people. ?
>> >
>> >> Besides, Jag isn't a British car company; it's an Indian car company.
>> >
>> >Last time I looked it was still located here. Who OWNS, GM, Ford and Chrysler
>> >anyway ?
>> >
>> >And you still haven't answered my question. What US sedan can compete with
>> >that ?
>>
>>
>> Having no interest in sedans, or silly demos on salt flats, I wouldn't
>> know. And who wants a car that can go 3.5 times the speed limit? I'm
>> certain Jag won't actually sell one that does. So it was a PR stunt,
>> and a lame one at that.
>
>LAME ? A 4 door sedan that vastly exceeds the speed of many a dedicated supercar
>?
>
>Just goes to show how advanced our auto industry is, that it can make a 'family
>car' that will 'eat' most supercars for breakfast.
Your British boosterism is increasingly pathetic, when you have to use
goofy stunts like this to validate your worth.
The UK hardly has an auto industry. Neither does New Jersey, but it
doesn't make them crazy.
Go build another mike preamp.
John
Nico Coesel
>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:12:57 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:43:37 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>> >
>>> >Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
>>> >wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
>>> >
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Only if they're nice round, firm Ta-Ta's ;-)
>>
>>I'm trying to find a way to convince their marketing department to name
>>their next model "Bodacious".
>
>Sno-o-o-o-ort ;-)
Wasn't it Nissan or another Japanese car maker that named a certain
car model 'Laputa'?
John Larkin
<rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I suppose you don't have many good ski areas in your neighborhood
either. What do you do in winter, hang out in cozy disco bars all day?
Interesting:
http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/reports/lastsnowed.asp
A lot of the best "UK" ski resorts are in the USA! Last time I was
skiing at Tahoe (Northstar, a couple of weeks ago) there were tons of
European and Japanese skiiers, including lots of kids. They seemed,
pretty generally, happy and friendly.
I learned to ski in Aspen, back when a lift ticket was $9 and you
could get a matress in the attic of a dorm, with breakfast, for $10.
No more.
I did recently get a half-day, member-discount, senior rate lift
ticket at Tahoe Donner for $8.
John
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:12:57 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
>><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:43:37 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>> >
>>>> >Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
>>>> >wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
>>>> >
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> Only if they're nice round, firm Ta-Ta's ;-)
>>>
>>>I'm trying to find a way to convince their marketing department to name
>>>their next model "Bodacious".
>>
>>Sno-o-o-o-ort ;-)
>
>Wasn't it Nissan or another Japanese car maker that named a certain
>car model 'Laputa'?
Don't know of that one... must be a non-USA model.
...Jim Thompson
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Nico Coesel
>On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:57:35 GMT, ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
>wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:12:57 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
>>><pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:43:37 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmon...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Hmmmm, Jaguar?? Once owned by Ford then sold to India's Tata Motors. I
>>>>> >wonder if we should say; Ta-Ta to Jaguar?
>>>>> >
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> Only if they're nice round, firm Ta-Ta's ;-)
>>>>
>>>>I'm trying to find a way to convince their marketing department to name
>>>>their next model "Bodacious".
>>>
>>>Sno-o-o-o-ort ;-)
>>
>>Wasn't it Nissan or another Japanese car maker that named a certain
>>car model 'Laputa'?
>
>Don't know of that one... must be a non-USA model.
Probably too many Spanish speaking people in the US. Here I found a
link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Laputa
krw
We found the local movie theater has a "seniors" discount at 55+. At
$5.75 (anytime) it makes going almost worthwhile. Who woulda thunk
they'd give a $3 discount to the wealthiest segment of the population.
;-)
>Finally have my wife trained to ask for senior discounts... she balked
>at first, pride I guess... but the savings are substantial!
The hotel we stayed at in ME had about a 40% AARP discount (they're
mostly in the 10% range). That's what made up my mind to get a
membership (for my wife, of course) even though we can't stand the
politics of the organization.
We're not quite old enough to get discounts most places but where we
are, if they're giving, I'm taking.
Jim Thompson
I'm 69 (in a month), my wife is 67. Most of the time, now, we don't
even need to ask... my total silver/white beard and hair usually does
the trick ;-)
Nobody
> Aluminum, Only four syllables
Aluminium, only four syllables: a-lu-min-yum.
It isn't dropping the second 'i' which makes the US version sound weird;
it's putting the stress on 'lu' instead of on 'min'.
John Larkin
>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:45:54 -0800, Bob Eld wrote:
>
>> Aluminum, Only four syllables
>
>Aluminium, only four syllables: a-lu-min-yum.
yum?
John
RST Engineering (jw)
line and finds he forgot to bring his birth certificate. Clerk tells him to
open his shirt and says, "With all that silver hair on your chest, you've
got to be old enough. No problem, sign right here."
Fellow goes home and relates this story to his wife. She says, "You should
have dropped your drawers and they'd have given you Disability, too."
And then the fight starts ...
Jim
krw
>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:45:54 -0800, Bob Eld wrote:
>
>> Aluminum, Only four syllables
>
>Aluminium, only four syllables: a-lu-min-yum.
Five. al ye MI ne em (with untypeable enphasis left out)
Try: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aluminium
>It isn't dropping the second 'i' which makes the US version sound weird;
>it's putting the stress on 'lu' instead of on 'min'.
I don't know if you pronounce it even funnier than Dumb Donkey, but
Aluminum is more like e-LOO-men-um; four sylables.
krw
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
White hair isn't a good mark of age. My hair and beard have been
white for a decade and I'm now 56. My hair turned almost exactly the
same as my mother's at the same ages (she died last month at 95).
John Larkin
Funny, by hair turned a nice shade of brown about 6 weeks ago.
John
krw
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Grecian Formula 16?
Jim Thompson
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
I did that in my mid-40's, when my daughters declared me
"extinguished" looking ;-)
Gave it up after a few years as a maintenance nuisance.
Jim Thompson
Shoe Polish Formula 409 ;-)
John Larkin
<OneBi...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
> That's the brit pronounce.
>
> Al-ooo-min-eyum
I'm from New Orleans.
Nawlins.
Noo Or-le-ins
Noo Or-lins
But never Noo Or-leenz, except in songs.
John
and don't call it Frisco!
z
<OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:27:26 +0000, Eeyore
>
> >LAME ? A 4 door sedan that vastly exceeds the speed of many a dedicated supercar
> >?
>
> less a supercar.
>
> I am quite sure that the 550HP Corvette can beat this Ford POS any day.
ZR1 (638 hp) top speed 205 mph.
jaguar's not ford any more.
Don Klipstein
However, one more thing I have noticed of British England speaking
practice: some forms of syllable contraction/compression.
I suspect on the other side of the pond in England that "aluminium"
if that's how it's said there is spoken as "aql-u-min-yum".
Keep in mind how the words "policeman" and "battery" are often
pronounced in England. I note a Beetles song pronouncing "policeman"
somewhat as "pliceman" - exposing a shortcoming of Cheap Trick in
imitating the Beetles. I also notice how someone I have to work with a
lot who has a British-influenced accent (due to working a lot with
someone in England) usualy pronounces "battery" noticeably towards
"batt'ry". Nowadays I do somewhat likewise - and call a battery something
closer to a "batt'ry" while also having my accent retaining much of those
of Philadelphia and my birthplace Chicago!
- Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
Sylvia Else
I have a Southern British Standard accent (possibly now slighty
Australianised - I can't tell). I certainly don't say "yum" at the end
of aluminium. The two vowels at the end are closer to being a dipthong,
but I do put a 'y' sound near the beginning - "al-yoo-min-ium".
"Batt'ry"? Yes, I suppose so. However I don't elide the "o" in
policeman, though the ending is probably somewhere between "mn" and
"mun", but certainly not "man".
Sylvia.
Martin Brown
> In article <33e7n410m3snbnrr407p655ic53ai05...@4ax.com>, krw wrote:
> >On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:08:33 +0000, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:45:54 -0800, Bob Eld wrote:
>
> >>> Aluminum, Only four syllables
>
> >>Aluminium, only four syllables: a-lu-min-yum.
>
> >Five. al ye MI ne em (with untypeable enphasis left out)
>
> >Try: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aluminium
>
> >>It isn't dropping the second 'i' which makes the US version sound weird;
> >>it's putting the stress on 'lu' instead of on 'min'.
>
> >I don't know if you pronounce it even funnier than Dumb Donkey, but
> >Aluminum is more like e-LOO-men-um; four sylables.
>
> >http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aluminum
>
> However, one more thing I have noticed of British England speaking
> practice: some forms of syllable contraction/compression.
>
> I suspect on the other side of the pond in England that "aluminium"
> if that's how it's said there is spoken as "aql-u-min-yum".
In native UK English it is usually closest to al-you-min-i-um. 5
syllables.
That is with mini pronounced like mini car with two distinct
syllables.
> Keep in mind how the words "policeman" and "battery" are often
> pronounced in England. I note a Beetles song pronouncing "policeman"
> somewhat as "pliceman" - exposing a shortcoming of Cheap Trick in
> imitating the Beetles. I also notice how someone I have to work with a
> lot who has a British-influenced accent (due to working a lot with
> someone in England) usualy pronounces "battery" noticeably towards
> "batt'ry". Nowadays I do somewhat likewise - and call a battery something
> closer to a "batt'ry" while also having my accent retaining much of those
> of Philadelphia and my birthplace Chicago!
You also have to remember that the Beatles are from Liverpool and as
such their speech patterns reflect the local scouse dialect to some
extent with shortening of some vowels out of existence. Even native UK
English speakers can struggle to understand someone with a broad
regional dialect although TV has largely supplanted a lot of local
variation. Until fairly recently you had to have near perfect received
pronunciation to be a BBC announcer.
Regional variation of vowel length is significant in UK spoken English
and largely ignored for meaning. You can determine someones class and
regional accent by listening to vowel length though. It poses problems
when learning languages where the vowel length is significant to the
meaning like Japanese.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Spehro Pefhany
We know that in the future everyone will use the US spelling and
pronunciation "Aluminum", including good engineers from the UK.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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It's an awful thought.
Alas, also probably true.
We'll also adopt the increasing US lack of understanding of the correct
usage of pronouns. I've noticed that the incorrect use of the subject
form after prepositions is creeping into places where the pronoun refers
to a direct object.
At the same time, some Australians are extending this error by using the
object form of pronouns in the subject position. "Her and Jill came to
see Bert and I". When things stabilise for a while, if they do, who
knows what the grammatical rule will be.
Sylvia.
Michael A. Terrell
Eeyore wrote:
>
> krw wrote:
>
> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >krw wrote:
> > >
> > >> Considering that "aluminum" came first, it is the Donkeylanders who
> > >> are the real perverts.
> > >
> > >Aluminium was adopted to fit in with the majority of elemental names.
> >
> > Adopted by perverted donkeys, sure.
>
> Accepted by the WORLD.
>
> The USA is falling further and further behind due to your ignorant
> arrogant attitude. No problem. More for us.
>
> Graham
Certainly more time wasted typing all those useless and extraneous
'I's.
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Aluminum induced Alzheimer’s?
John Larkin
The Brits have done terrible things with plurals. "The team are headed
for the finals." That must be a recent innovation, because Jane Austen
didn't talk that way.
I've heard the claim the US English is closer to JA's language than
modern Brit is.
I can barely understand a lot of spoken Australian. But I have trouble
with some US southern accents, too... but they are fading away.
John