Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp
Jan Panteltje
After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because it no
longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers in the process,
because it would hang in install in some unknown place, had to start on a clean disk,
and finally got it working with internet access,
when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my Logitech mouse
was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the screen.
Had enough.
I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such a crap product,.
I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
And replaced the partition by reiserfs, will be used for data storage in Linux.
Thank God for Linux and may penguins walk all over Redmond.
linnix
Thank for telling me I am not the only one going crazy with XP. I
think it's part of the Microsoft automatic downgrade system, Firefox
and other programs won't work after restarting. I have to reinstall
often and reject most online upgrade/downgrade requests.
Jim Thompson
What in the world are you guys doing wrong? Homebrew clones?
I find XP extraordinarily stable, so much so I ordered up a spare
laptop with XP pre-installed, before it became unavailable.
I now fear the "7". I'm close to needing a bunch of new PC's :-(
...Jim Thompson
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> I now fear the "7". I'm close to needing a bunch of new PC's :-(
It's nowhere near as bad as Vista was, and if you get the Professional,
Enterprise, or Ultimate version of Windows 7 it comes with "Windows XP Mode,"
which is just virtual machine software and a license to run a full-fledged
copy of XP simultaneously with Win7 itself. Although this burns up plenty of
memory (and a few extra CPU cycles), it achieves the ultimate in
compatibility.
Perhaps the best operating systems have all already been written, and the
future will just be towards so-called hypervisors that just run an assortment
of virtual machines with your choice of legacy OSes!
---Joel
John Larkin
My Xp machines have been pretty good. Thay are all identical HP boxes
with hot-plug raid. I have a "master" hard drive with all my stuff
installed. If XP dies (happens maybe every year or so) I can plug in
the master and clone that, and restore files from a backup.
You need recovery plans. All operating systems can die, and hard
drives can die, and all sorts of stuff can go wrong. A clean OS
install, with re-install of all appse and settings, can knock a week
out of your life.
But right, Microsoft products are garbage. Google
allchin dll dependencies
John
David L. Jones
> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>
> After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because
> it no
> longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers
> in the process, because it would hang in install in some unknown
> place, had to start on a clean disk, and finally got it working with
> internet access,
> when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my
> Logitech mouse was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the
> screen.
> Had enough.
> I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such
> a crap product,. I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
Care to share the video with everyone?
BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is fighting
Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to use it forever.
Dave.
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"David L. Jones" ...
>
> BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is fighting
> Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to use it forever.
>
> Dave.
>
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Bill Sloman
> Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>
> > After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because
> > it no
> > longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers
> > in the process, because it would hang in install in some unknown
> > place, had to start on a clean disk, and finally got it working with
> > internet access,
> > when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my
> > Logitech mouse was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the
> > screen.
> > Had enough.
> > I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such
> > a crap product,. I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
>
> Care to share the video with everyone?
>
> BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is fighting
> Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to use it forever.
Vista seems to havve been total crap.
I've just got a new computer (the old one was five years old and had
taken to occasionally turning itself off ten minutes after turn-on)
with Windows 7 and it seems to work. I did install Suse 11.1 on a
separate hard disk, so I've got some insurance,
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David L. Jones
> On Dec 1, 3:18 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>>
>>> After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because
>>> it no
>>> longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers
>>> in the process, because it would hang in install in some unknown
>>> place, had to start on a clean disk, and finally got it working with
>>> internet access,
>>> when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that
>>> my Logitech mouse was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over
>>> the screen.
>>> Had enough.
>>> I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making
>>> such a crap product,. I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the
>>> camera.
>>
>> Care to share the video with everyone?
>>
>> BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is
>> fighting Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to
>> use it forever.
>
> Vista seems to havve been total crap.
I thought was a well known industry fact!
That's why the netbook makers pleaded with MS to keep selling XP, because
Vista was crap, and the mainstream consumers did not want Linux.
Michael A. Terrell
Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>
> After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because it no
> longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers in the process,
> because it would hang in install in some unknown place, had to start on a clean disk,
> and finally got it working with internet access,
> when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my Logitech mouse
> was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the screen.
> Had enough.
> I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such a crap product,.
> I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
Yawn.
> And replaced the partition by reiserfs, will be used for data storage in Linux.
>
> Thank God for Linux and may penguins walk all over Redmond.
I have only had to install XP on new drives so whatever your hardware
problem was, it's being masked by Linux.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
krw
<alt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>>
>> After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because
>> it no
>> longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers
>> in the process, because it would hang in install in some unknown
>> place, had to start on a clean disk, and finally got it working with
>> internet access,
>> when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my
>> Logitech mouse was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the
>> screen.
>> Had enough.
>> I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such
>> a crap product,. I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
>
>Care to share the video with everyone?
>
>BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is fighting
>Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to use it forever.
Because the rest are even worse. Actually, 2K wasn't too bad. I'd
rather they put the multi-monitor and processor support on that and
forget all the later crap.
ChrisQ
Installing any uSoft os is a time consuming process, but it does work
ime, though not one to be seen to sing the praises etc.
Of course, preaching to the choir etc, but the way to safeguard your
system is to make regular backups to a disk file on a separate drive, or
image copy the whole disk to a second drive. Make sure if you use backup
to save system state as well, which is not necessarily saved by default.
You know all this already of course :-).
Using the first method, if your machine goes down, all you have to do is
install the bare minimum xp install, then use restore to write over that
from the backup set, then reboot and you are more or less back to normal.
Using the second method, download a copy of Seagate disk wizard from
their website, make sure that you have at least one seagate drive in the
machine, then you can do a disk mirror copy which is bootable and
identical to the original. You can then remove the mirror drive, safe in
the knowledge that you have a complete snapshot of the system at time of
copy. Hard disks are so cheap now and it's far quicker and more
convenient to use a second drive or more for backups.
I've used Disk Wizard for a year or more now and it's saved my ass on
more than one occasion :-)..
Regards,
Chris
Jan Panteltje
<jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
<unp8h5t67i4s7nfad...@4ax.com>:
>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:44:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>>
>>After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because it no
>>longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers in the process,
>>because it would hang in install in some unknown place, had to start on a clean disk,
>>and finally got it working with internet access,
>>when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my Logitech mouse
>>was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the screen.
>>Had enough.
>>I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such a crap product,.
>>I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
>>And replaced the partition by reiserfs, will be used for data storage in Linux.
>>
>>Thank God for Linux and may penguins walk all over Redmond.
>
>My Xp machines have been pretty good. Thay are all identical HP boxes
>with hot-plug raid. I have a "master" hard drive with all my stuff
>installed. If XP dies (happens maybe every year or so) I can plug in
>the master and clone that, and restore files from a backup.
You are right, I should have made a mirror image of that partition, plenty of space...
well, actually I just got my new 1TB external HD full...
So I the extra space created by removing xp was welcome.
I did not use xp a lot, just to test some new gadgets I bought that only had xp drivers,
and some Sony video editing software, but that timed out (demo) anyways, and did not do
anything that I could not do in Linux faster...
It is the outrageous amount of time that xp stuff and it's problems takes...
>You need recovery plans. All operating systems can die, and hard
>drives can die, and all sorts of stuff can go wrong. A clean OS
>install, with re-install of all appse and settings, can knock a week
>out of your life.
I had a strange idea this morning, sure for MS the 'operating system' has become a purpose in itself,
while all it should be is a universal layer to isolate the applications from the hardware.
So MS makes it as impressive resource sucking as they can, but then I thought: Do we still need an OS in the future?
When you have multi cores, with many many cores, sure you can run one application on each core.
Your idea was that no?
All you need then is some piping mechanism to pipe data (in the Unix way), from one core to the other.
Each core its own memory too.
Vendors now also supply the drivers, some little program code to allow it it run on any platform would be nice.
Also I am contemplating writing a letter to the EU person responsible for suing MS, to ask if
we can demand hardware vendors to supply drivers for Linux too, if they sell in the EU.
>But right, Microsoft products are garbage. Google
>
> allchin dll dependencies
>
>John
And on purpose, but the crime is in asking 98 Euro for a 20 cent copy.
Suppose you had to pay 100$ for each newspaper....
The audacity!
Jan Panteltje
<alt...@gmail.com> wrote in <c2%Qm.59998$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad>:
>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>>
>> After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because
>> it no
>> longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers
>> in the process, because it would hang in install in some unknown
>> place, had to start on a clean disk, and finally got it working with
>> internet access,
>> when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my
>> Logitech mouse was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the
>> screen.
>> Had enough.
>> I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such
>> a crap product,. I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
>
>Care to share the video with everyone?
Sure, you can get a DVD copy for 150$, you need to sign a non-disclosure agreement,
and pay up front, then you get a sticker that you MUST glue on your computer
to indicate you are using a legal copy of my movie, and if you do not
produce that upon inspection pay at least 60000$.
And you can only play the movie on one computer, the one with the sticker, and are not allowed to copy it
or show to anyone else.
Updating your computer with a new hard disks or other hardware requires you to purchase a new copy.
I give no support, no guarantee the movie will actually play, and are not responsible
to damage of anything in, on, or around your computer if something goes wrong.
Holy shit, if you could sell cars like that!
>BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is fighting
>Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to use it forever.
Dog?
Sure.
The world is full of strange people.
Jan Panteltje
<bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
<11c18443-7f41-4137...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
>On Dec 1, 3:18�am, "David L. Jones" <altz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> > Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>>
>> > After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because
>> > it no
>> > longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers
>> > in the process, because it would hang in install in some unknown
>> > place, had to start on a clean disk, and finally got it working with
>> > internet access,
>> > when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my
>> > Logitech mouse was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the
>> > screen.
>> > Had enough.
>> > I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such
>> > a crap product,. I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
>>
>> Care to share the video with everyone?
>>
>> BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is fighting
>> Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to use it forever=
>.
>
>Vista seems to havve been total crap.
>
>I've just got a new computer (the old one was five years old and had
>taken to occasionally turning itself off ten minutes after turn-on)
>with Windows 7 and it seems to work. I did install Suse 11.1 on a
>separate hard disk, so I've got some insurance,
I would stay clear of Suse, they are in bed with MS.
But it may actully work, as opposed to xp.
Jan Panteltje
<alt...@gmail.com> wrote in <Qq0Rm.55570$de6....@newsfe21.iad>:
My Asus eeePC has xandros Linux installed,
seems in the east 70% of netbooks runs Linux.
Jan Panteltje
<me...@devnull.com> wrote in <Te7Rm.17002$ng....@newsfe19.ams2>:
>Using the second method, download a copy of Seagate disk wizard from
>their website, make sure that you have at least one seagate drive in the
> machine, then you can do a disk mirror copy which is bootable and
>identical to the original. You can then remove the mirror drive, safe in
>the knowledge that you have a complete snapshot of the system at time of
>copy. Hard disks are so cheap now and it's far quicker and more
>convenient to use a second drive or more for backups.
It is much easier from Linux:
If xp is on /dev/hda5:
cp /dev/hda5 my_xp_backup
And to restore:
cp my_xp_backup /dev/hda5
>I've used Disk Wizard for a year or more now and it's saved my ass on
>more than one occasion :-)..
See, those things blind people.
Understand the hardware.
Jan Panteltje
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in <hf31r4$sud$1...@news.albasani.net>:
But I recommend:
mkreiserfs /dev/hda5
That will create some nice data space fro Linux.
That is what I ended up doing.
grml: ~ # update_database
This will mount all partitions and run updatedb, continue(y/n)?
y
Mounting disks
/dev/hdb:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
using_dma = 1 (on)
/dev/hda:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
using_dma = 1 (on)
mount: /dev/hdd1 already mounted or /mnt/hdd1 busy
mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdd1 is already mounted on /mnt/hdd1
mount: /dev/hdd4 already mounted or /mnt/hdd4 busy
mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdd4 is already mounted on /mnt/hdd4
Status
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
rootfs 38021488 36124980 1896508 96% /
/dev/root 38021488 36124980 1896508 96% /
/dev/root 38021488 36124980 1896508 96% /dev/.static/dev
tmpfs 10240 268 9972 3% /dev
tmpfs 193012 0 193012 0% /dev/shm
/dev/hdd1 38951608 16680368 20292608 46% /mnt/hdd1
/dev/hdd4 38571552 31599132 6972420 82% /mnt/hdd4
/dev/hda1 29288192 28845504 442688 99% /mnt/hda1
/dev/hda5 9767184 32840 9734344 1% /mnt/hda5
/dev/hdb2 47277 8494 36342 19% /mnt/hdb2
/dev/hdb3 38544352 36518700 2025652 95% /mnt/hdb3
/dev/hdd6 48377 8494 37385 19% /mnt/hdd6
/dev/sda1 39571460 37362920 2208540 95% /mnt/sda1
/dev/sda3 38571552 781260 37790292 3% /mnt/sda3
/dev/sda6 48409 29424 16485 65% /mnt/sda6
/dev/sda8 897504508 895646372 1858136 100% /mnt/sda8
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
/dev/root on / type reiserfs (rw)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
/dev/root on /dev/.static/dev type reiserfs (rw)
tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw)
/dev/pts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
/dev/hdd1 on /mnt/hdd1 type ext2 (rw)
/dev/hdd4 on /mnt/hdd4 type reiserfs (rw)
/dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1)
/dev/hda5 on /mnt/hda5 type reiserfs (rw)
/dev/hdb2 on /mnt/hdb2 type ext2 (rw)
/dev/hdb3 on /mnt/hdb3 type reiserfs (rw)
/dev/hdd6 on /mnt/hdd6 type ext2 (rw)
/dev/sda1 on /mnt/sda1 type reiserfs (rw)
/dev/sda3 on /mnt/sda3 type reiserfs (rw)
/dev/sda6 on /mnt/sda6 type ext2 (rw)
/dev/sda8 on /mnt/sda8 type reiserfs (rw)
Run updatedb(y/n)?
n
Archimedes' Lever
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because it no
>longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers in the process,
This mentality means that users that follow it get exactly what they
deserve.
What? No back ups of your installed system?
Not even a "saved state"?
Life is rough for those that stumble through it and find themselves
wanting a magic bullet when things fall apart.
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Jan Panteltje wrote:
> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
> I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
> Thank God for Linux and may penguins walk all over Redmond.
OMFG, what a clinical case of linuxopatia.
And BTW, Jan: Microsoft is a bunch of budha bodhissatvas, who perfect
their mental powers in deep meditation...
VLV
Jan Panteltje
Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote in
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Looking at Balmer I think more the opposite.
Bill Sloman
> On a sunny day (Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:53:31 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman
> <11c18443-7f41-4137-8ae4-1bf0d72d4...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
It works fine, and comes with lots of software on the DVD. Debian
would probably be better, but I've got used to SuSE again (after a
couple of years dabbling with Mandrake/Mandriva) and it seems to be
good enough.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
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> I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
> And replaced the partition by reiserfs, will be used for data storage in Linux.
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It would be their only product range that didn't SUCK! ;-)
*EVERY* new product they have launched in the last decade has been
BOHICA with no KY for the users for its first year or two. Eventually
it will be killed off as soon as it is marginally usable or quietly
forgotten about.
--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
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ChrisQ
I have Suse and Debian Linux on removable packs for diagnostic purposes
and file transfer on an old p4 machine, but not using linux for anything
serious at present otherwise. Currently posting from a Sun Sparc
Blade1000, Solaris 10, which I use for a lab server, software
development and other client stuff. A df -k gives:
darkstar: df -k
Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on
/dev/dsk/c1t1d0s0 20655353 4237952 16210848 21% /
/devices 0 0 0 0% /devices
ctfs 0 0 0 0% /system/contract
proc 0 0 0 0% /proc
mnttab 0 0 0 0% /etc/mnttab
swap 6234440 1656 6232784 1% /etc/svc/volatile
objfs 0 0 0 0% /system/object
sharefs 0 0 0 0% /etc/dfs/sharetab
/dev/dsk/c1t1d0s6 45440637 6675337 38310894 15% /usr
/platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr/libc_psr_hwcap1.so.1
20655353 4237952 16210848 21%
/platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr.so.1
/platform/sun4u-us3/lib/sparcv9/libc_psr/libc_psr_hwcap1.so.1
20655353 4237952 16210848 21%
/platform/sun4u-us3/lib/sparcv9/libc_psr.so.1
fd 0 0 0 0% /dev/fd
swap 6361768 128984 6232784 3% /tmp
swap 6232840 56 6232784 1% /var/run
/dev/md/dsk/d0 282364920 181386293 98154978 65%
/export/nfs/raid-d0
/dev/md/dsk/d1 564766883 181343197 377776018 33%
/export/nfs/raid-d1
darkstar:
A metastat command gives:
darkstar: metastat
d1: RAID
State: Okay
Interlace: 32 blocks
Size: 1146879360 blocks (546 GB)
Original device:
Size: 1146883712 blocks (546 GB)
Device Start Block Dbase State Reloc Hot Spare
c8t5d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes
c8t6d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes
c8t7d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes
c8t8d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes
c8t9d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes
d0: RAID
State: Okay
Interlace: 32 blocks
Size: 573411048 blocks (273 GB)
Original device:
Size: 573414528 blocks (273 GB)
Device Start Block Dbase State Reloc Hot Spare
c8t0d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes
c8t1d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes
c8t2d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes
c8t3d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes
c8t4d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes
Device Relocation Information:
Device Reloc Device ID
c8t5d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c509d2af5
c8t6d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c50a802e7
c8t7d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c509d30e9
c8t8d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c509d31ae
c8t9d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c5076b0e2
c8t0d0 Yes id1,ssd@n200000203763032a
c8t1d0 Yes id1,ssd@n20000004cf1708f4
c8t2d0 Yes id1,ssd@n20000004cf293162
c8t3d0 Yes id1,ssd@n20000004cf176331
c8t4d0 Yes id1,ssd@n20000004cf179db0
darkstar:
The blade 1000's have fibre channel on board and the system disk is a
73Gb split as above. The raid-d0, raid-d1 entries are raid 5 volumes on
a separate qlogic controller. I'm using LabF nfsaxe for nfs client on
the pc's and also the family machines indoors. d0 is mirrored to d1 by
script weekly via rsync, so all critical data is effectively mirrored
across two raid 5 volumes. Raid is done by volume manager in software
and comes free on Solaris 10. Have been running sun kit since the early
90's and believe in supporting threatened species and Sun kit is also
far better engineered than the average pc. Ever since the demise of Dec
Alpha and Sgi on mips, the cpu gene pool has diminished to the point
that there's little choice other than Intel, which I consider to be a
Bad Thing :-). Diversity improves the breed etc.
The two lab pc's are a Dell 470 for media and a Compaq ML350G4 with raid
controller for software development, to support embedded tools that
don't run under unix. The ML350 still runs W2k, while the Dell runs xp
pro. Windows does have it's uses and can be very, very reliable if
properly locked down...
Regards,
Chris
ChrisQ
>
> OMFG, what a clinical case of linuxopatia.
> And BTW, Jan: Microsoft is a bunch of budha bodhissatvas, who perfect
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Obviously too much Steely Dan in the diet somewhere :-)...
Regards,
Chris
John Larkin
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes. When you have 1024 cores, with serious execution protection, the
OS can be very simple and provably correct, and no context switching
would be needed.
>All you need then is some piping mechanism to pipe data (in the Unix way), from one core to the other.
>Each core its own memory too.
Probably a modest local cache and some dedicated ram per core. All
processors would surround a shared cache to the big ram.
>Vendors now also supply the drivers, some little program code to allow it it run on any platform would be nice.
Drivers should run in protected mode too. A bad driver should not be
allowed to trash anything.
>
>Also I am contemplating writing a letter to the EU person responsible for suing MS, to ask if
>we can demand hardware vendors to supply drivers for Linux too, if they sell in the EU.
>
>
>>But right, Microsoft products are garbage. Google
>>
>> allchin dll dependencies
>>
>>John
>
>And on purpose, but the crime is in asking 98 Euro for a 20 cent copy.
>Suppose you had to pay 100$ for each newspaper....
>The audacity!
>
Yup.
John
lang...@fonz.dk
Site.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:56:52 -0800 (PST), linnix
>
>
>
> <m...@linnix.info-for.us> wrote:
> >On Nov 30, 2:44 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>
> >> After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because it no
> >> longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers in the process,
> >> because it would hang in install in some unknown place, had to start on a clean disk,
> >> and finally got it working with internet access,
> >> when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my Logitech mouse
> >> was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the screen.
> >> Had enough.
> >> I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such a crap product,.
> >> I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
> >> And replaced the partition by reiserfs, will be used for data storage in Linux.
>
> >> Thank God for Linux and may penguins walk all over Redmond.
>
> >Thank for telling me I am not the only one going crazy with XP. I
> >think it's part of the Microsoft automatic downgrade system, Firefox
> >and other programs won't work after restarting. I have to reinstall
> >often and reject most online upgrade/downgrade requests.
>
> What in the world are you guys doing wrong? Homebrew clones?
yeh, I never had any real problems with XP except when using
hybernate on a crappy laptop.
>
> I find XP extraordinarily stable, so much so I ordered up a spare
> laptop with XP pre-installed, before it became unavailable.
except for the occational incompatibility of old software and the
sometimes quirky uac which you could turn off, I seen no reason
not to run vista if you have new hardware.
I was skeptical in the beginning from all the bad press, but I've
been
using it for a long time now with no problems.
>
> I now fear the "7". I'm close to needing a bunch of new PC's :-(
>
reviews sound alot better than vista, and vista just works so I see
nothing to fear.
-Lasse
Joel Koltner
news:hf31c7$s5t$1...@news.albasani.net...
> My Asus eeePC has xandros Linux installed,
> seems in the east 70% of netbooks runs Linux.
In the west Microsoft cut a deal with the manufacturers to provide XP for
something like $15 per copy
(http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/04/19/ms.asks.15.for.xp.netbooks/),
so these days I'd say at least 70% of netbooks in the west run XP. :-) (And
of the remaining 30%, there's a mix of Linux and Windows 7 'Starter Edition').
---Joel
Jan Panteltje
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<KncRm.65411$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>:
Yes, would be a disappointing experience having a netbook with xp
and auto-updates enabled on a GPRS connection :-)
OTOH the modern ones can run 8 hours on a charge... You will need it.
Have not seen win7 yet, could be worse.
Spehro Pefhany
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:hf31c7$s5t$1...@news.albasani.net...
>> My Asus eeePC has xandros Linux installed,
>> seems in the east 70% of netbooks runs Linux.
>
>In the west Microsoft cut a deal with the manufacturers to provide XP for
>something like $15 per copy
$14 US in Asia, I was told in October.
>(http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/04/19/ms.asks.15.for.xp.netbooks/),
>so these days I'd say at least 70% of netbooks in the west run XP. :-) (And
>of the remaining 30%, there's a mix of Linux and Windows 7 'Starter Edition').
>
>---Joel
Currently the limitations on what they'll allow XP to be installed on
for that price are extreme- no more than 160G HDD, only 1G of
installed RAM, no "hybrid" storage etc. etc.
There's another dark horse in the running at the low end.. "G".
Nico Coesel
>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:44:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>>
>>After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because it no
>>longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers in the process,
>>because it would hang in install in some unknown place, had to start on a clean disk,
>>and finally got it working with internet access,
>>when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my Logitech mouse
>>was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the screen.
>>Had enough.
>>I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such a crap product,.
>>I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
>>And replaced the partition by reiserfs, will be used for data storage in Linux.
>>
>>Thank God for Linux and may penguins walk all over Redmond.
>
>My Xp machines have been pretty good. Thay are all identical HP boxes
You'll need good hardware to start with. A crappy PC will give trouble
sooner or later. There is so much consumer shit on the market and
people tend to think a pc is a pc which just isn't true.
I reboot my XP machine (build from components intended for
workstations) 2 or 3 times per year because of software upgrades. Its
on for the rest of the time. Linux is more forgiving on bad hardware,
but it may lead to corrupted files in the end.
>You need recovery plans. All operating systems can die, and hard
>drives can die, and all sorts of stuff can go wrong. A clean OS
>install, with re-install of all appse and settings, can knock a week
>out of your life.
You'll need to upgrade every few years though...
>But right, Microsoft products are garbage. Google
Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word
that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
"If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer!"
--------------------------------------------------------------
Rich Grise
>
> Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word that
> spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
Wouldn't that be more like an antimiracle? ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Frank Buss
> Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word
> that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word spanning half
a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.
--
Frank Buss, f...@frank-buss.de
http://www.frank-buss.de, http://www.it4-systems.de
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Frank Buss wrote:
> Nico Coesel wrote:
>
>
>>Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word
>>that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
>
>
> I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word spanning half
> a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.
Word 2000, word 2002, no problems either.
Linuxopatic obsession: linuxopaths can't help preaching Linux and
cursing M$ on any occasion.
VLV
Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
>If Microsoft made vacuum cleaners . . .
They do. It is called "Wallet Suck v7"
Doesn't even need to be plugged in to perform.
snip
Martin Riddle
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9oZQm.303537$Jp1.2...@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
> in message news:1rn8h5968m0ubbbs1...@4ax.com...
>> I now fear the "7". I'm close to needing a bunch of new PC's :-(
>
> It's nowhere near as bad as Vista was, and if you get the
> Professional, Enterprise, or Ultimate version of Windows 7 it comes
> with "Windows XP Mode," which is just virtual machine software and a
> license to run a full-fledged copy of XP simultaneously with Win7
> itself. Although this burns up plenty of memory (and a few extra CPU
> cycles), it achieves the ultimate in compatibility.
>
> Perhaps the best operating systems have all already been written, and
> the future will just be towards so-called hypervisors that just run an
> assortment of virtual machines with your choice of legacy OSes!
>
> ---Joel
>
>
>
I think the Xp mode requires virtualization support on the motherboard.
But it is a free download.
Cheers
MooseFET
> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
>
> After spending a whole Saturday afternoon re-installing Xp, because it no
> longer worked, losing all previously installed programs and drivers in the process,
> because it would hang in install in some unknown place, had to start on a clean disk,
> and finally got it working with internet access,
> when I started it again today, a week or so later, it decided that my Logitech mouse
> was a 'MS mouse', and the cursor jumped all over the screen.
> Had enough.
> I would like to hit Bill Gates and Balmer in the face for making such a crap product,.
> I have burned my MS xp disk in front of the camera.
> And replaced the partition by reiserfs, will be used for data storage in Linux.
>
> Thank God for Linux and may penguins walk all over Redmond.
It you are used to running Windows software, you can put a "Windows
compatibility" mode icon on the desk top. You just have to make a
script something like this:
#!/bin/bash
bsod -b -g
Check your man page for bsod for the parameters on your system.
Nico Coesel
>Nico Coesel wrote:
>
>> Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word
>> that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
>
>I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word spanning half
>a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.
Now try to edit that word. I just tried it several times with Word
2003 and it crashes all the time.
Frank Buss
> Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>
>>Nico Coesel wrote:
>>
>>> Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word
>>> that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
>>
>>I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word spanning half
>>a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.
>
> Now try to edit that word. I just tried it several times with Word
> 2003 and it crashes all the time.
If you can reproduce it all the time, can you describe the steps to
reproduce it? I've tried it with Word 2007 and no luck. I can type, cut,
paste, enter characters inbetween, copy and paste over 3 pages etc., all
one word without spaces, no crash.
Greegor
> On a sunny day (Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:38:26 +0000) it happened ChrisQ
>
> >Using the second method, download a copy of Seagate disk wizard from
> >their website, make sure that you have at least one seagate drive in the
> > machine, then you can do a disk mirror copy which is bootable and
> >identical to the original. You can then remove the mirror drive, safe in
> >the knowledge that you have a complete snapshot of the system at time of
> >copy. Hard disks are so cheap now and it's far quicker and more
> >convenient to use a second drive or more for backups.
>
> It is much easier from Linux:
> If xp is on /dev/hda5:
> cp /dev/hda5 my_xp_backup
>
> And to restore:
> cp my_xp_backup /dev/hda5
>
> >I've used Disk Wizard for a year or more now and it's saved my ass on
> >more than one occasion :-)..
>
> See, those things blind people.
> Understand the hardware.
Jan:
Does Linux make exact IMAGE copies of Windows drives that easily?
Does it need identical drive size?
Are there any outfits selling specifically installed Linux
machines with fleshed out sound and DVD support?
Why did Wal-Mart stop selling installed Linux boxes?
Does Tiger Direct sell installed Linux boxes?
ChrisQ:
Does Seagate Disk Wizard work to different size drives?
It's basically a relabeled version of a commercial program isn't it?
Several of the commercial imager SW packages are known to be buggy.
Is it true that many newer big hard disks are actually huge Flash
drives?
Jan Panteltje
<gree...@gmail.com> wrote in
<8df7cc03-5585-44d2...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>:
>> It is much easier from Linux:
>> If xp is on /dev/hda5:
>> cp /dev/hda5 my_xp_backup
>>
>> And to restore:
>> cp my_xp_backup /dev/hda5
>>
>> >I've used Disk Wizard for a year or more now and it's saved my ass on
>> >more than one occasion :-)..
>>
>> See, those things blind people.
>> Understand the hardware.
>
>Jan:
>
>Does Linux make exact IMAGE copies of Windows drives that easily?
Of whole drives,:
cp /dev/hda my_image
cp my_image /dev/hda
or of any partition:
cp /dev/hda5 my_xp_backup
cp my_xp_backup /dev/hda5
More info type:
man cp
Save a boot sector:
dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=my_bootsector
Make a backup:
cp my_bootsector my_bootsector.original
Edit it....
hexedit my_bootsector
write it back:
dd if=my_bootsector of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1
More info type:
man dd
>Does it need identical drive size?
No, but of course you need enough space to store the image.
The copying from a disk or partition will stop at the point where all sectors in it have been read.
The copying from a stored image to a disk or disk partition will stop when all bytes in the image file have been read.
The interesting thing about Unix (Linux is a form of Unix), is that everything is a file,
and can be treated as a file, that includes memory and disks, any storage, even IO.
So the above also works for DVDs:
cat /dev/dvd > mybackup.iso
and burn it to a different DVD, is a litle, but not much, more complicated:
growisofs -speed 3 -Z /dev/dvd=mybackup.iso
This will select burn speed 3, better quality then not specifying burn speed and let it use its maximum.
>Are there any outfits selling specifically installed Linux
>machines with fleshed out sound and DVD support?
I really do not know, I have been building my own PCs since win 3.1 and DRDOS 6.
Installing Linux from a distro is very easy though, faster then MS xp, less confusing.
>Why did Wal-Mart stop selling installed Linux boxes?
>
>Does Tiger Direct sell installed Linux boxes?
>
>ChrisQ:
>Does Seagate Disk Wizard work to different size drives?
I have only used it once, but all those commands are available from Linux in a different way.
>It's basically a relabeled version of a commercial program isn't it?
>Several of the commercial imager SW packages are known to be buggy.
>
>Is it true that many newer big hard disks are actually huge Flash
>drives?
I do not think so, FLASH is expensive, and relatively slow.
Joel Koltner
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hf6g2s$c3p$1...@news.albasani.net...
> Save a boot sector:
> dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=my_bootsector
OK, but don't the "fancier" OS loaders such as GRUB and whatever Vista/Win7
uses occupy a lot more than one sector? So that you can't just, e.g., copy
the boot sector and your active partitions from one drive (one-by-one, not a
whole drive copy) to another drive and still have the system boot? (Since the
boot sector's loader is looking for the "rest" of itself in a fixed position?)
>>Are there any outfits selling specifically installed Linux
>>machines with fleshed out sound and DVD support?
> I really do not know
There are. The OP here might want to pick up a copy of Linux User (print
magazine), as there's a handful that advertise in there. Most of them are
targeting rack-mount servers, but there's still decent pickings for regular
desktop and laptop PCs. Dell still sells some of their models with Linux
pre-isntalled too.
> Installing Linux from a distro is very easy though, faster then MS xp, less
> confusing.
But also less compatible. :-( Particularly with laptops or netbooks... look
at how much effort it takes to get, e.g., an Acer AO751H working with Ubuntu
vs. Windows.
That's a lot of good information you've posted; thanks!
---Joel
Jan Panteltje
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<9QzRm.282568$BL3.2...@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>:
>Say Jan,
>
>"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:hf6g2s$c3p$1...@news.albasani.net...
>> Save a boot sector:
>> dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=my_bootsector
>
>OK, but don't the "fancier" OS loaders such as GRUB and whatever Vista/Win7
>uses occupy a lot more than one sector? So that you can't just, e.g., copy
>the boot sector and your active partitions from one drive (one-by-one, not a
>whole drive copy) to another drive and still have the system boot? (Since the
>boot sector's loader is looking for the "rest" of itself in a fixed position?)
Of course I dunno about Vista-win, maybe those write data in secret places.
I just gave an example how to edit a disk sector, the boot sector specifically,
could be a DVD sector too :-)
I have grub installed on hda, on a floppy, and a DVD+RW, so have boot backup options.
I know very little about the innards of grub, except in needs 'stage1' 'stage2', and 'menu.lst' and stuff like that.
As grub fits on a floppy, it cannot be bigger then that.
I have made little 'howto' files for all that stuff for myself, so I do not have to look it up every time.
>>>Are there any outfits selling specifically installed Linux
>>>machines with fleshed out sound and DVD support?
>> I really do not know
>
>There are. The OP here might want to pick up a copy of Linux User (print
>magazine), as there's a handful that advertise in there. Most of them are
>targeting rack-mount servers, but there's still decent pickings for regular
>desktop and laptop PCs. Dell still sells some of their models with Linux
>pre-isntalled too.
>
>> Installing Linux from a distro is very easy though, faster then MS xp, less
>> confusing.
>
>But also less compatible. :-( Particularly with laptops or netbooks... look
>at how much effort it takes to get, e.g., an Acer AO751H working with Ubuntu
>vs. Windows.
Well, so far I had no problems, even have a Linux whats it called 'woof?' no oh yes 'Puppy Linux'
SDcard for the eeePC as second 'rescue' OS.
I have installed and used:
SLS
Slackware
RatHead
Suse (several versions)
grml
puppy
and a few more Linuxes, all without problems with installing.
This one I am using now, grml, is Debian based, you can install from a live disk.
But it is more for servers.
More work is getting kernel sources and compiling in drivers.
Usually with a new kernel everything stops working.
So if it works, do not fix it, upgrade, if you can avoid it.
OTOH distributions like Debian do a whole lot of dependencies automatically when upgrading.
>That's a lot of good information you've posted; thanks!
Thank you.
Spehro Pefhany
wrote:
>Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>
>>Nico Coesel wrote:
>>
>>> Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word
>>> that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
>>
>>I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word spanning half
>>a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.
>
>Now try to edit that word. I just tried it several times with Word
>2003 and it crashes all the time.
Not with a 'word' that spans > 1 page.
Maybe your problem is holding that key down is overflowing some buffer
on your machine-- I used cut and paste because I'm lazy and wanted to
do it fast.
Nico Coesel
This is still far more inefficient and cumbersome than using Norton
Ghost. Norton Ghost only copies occupied disk space and can create
compressed images taking much less space than a copy of a disk image.
Nico Coesel
Cut and paste also does it.
To reproduce: I hold the 'd' key until 5.5 lines are full. I hit
cursor up two times (up to this point everything is fine) and then
press the delete key. Makes Word crash every time. I tried this on
several machines with different installs!
VWWall
> Say Jan,
>
> "Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hf6g2s$c3p$1...@news.albasani.net...
>> Save a boot sector:
>> dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=my_bootsector
>
> OK, but don't the "fancier" OS loaders such as GRUB and whatever Vista/Win7
> uses occupy a lot more than one sector? So that you can't just, e.g., copy
> the boot sector and your active partitions from one drive (one-by-one, not a
> whole drive copy) to another drive and still have the system boot? (Since the
> boot sector's loader is looking for the "rest" of itself in a fixed position?)
>
GRUB, which may be almost anywhere that the OS can reach. The MBR must
know where to find the rest of GRUB which includes stages for each of
the file system with which it works, as well as a file "menu.1st" which
is the boot menu seen on cold boot. This file can contain entries which
"point to" other boot sectors, which can then boot other OS's.
Most Linux distros will automagically find other OS's, (including
Windows), and set up GRUB to include them on its boot menu. Windows,
when installed after Linux, will wipe out the MBR and substitute its own.
--
Virg Wall
Spehro Pefhany
wrote:
>Spehro Pefhany <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:34:08 GMT, ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Nico Coesel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word
>>>>> that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
>>>>
>>>>I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word spanning half
>>>>a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.
>>>
>>>Now try to edit that word. I just tried it several times with Word
>>>2003 and it crashes all the time.
>>
>>
>>Not with a 'word' that spans > 1 page.
>>
>>Maybe your problem is holding that key down is overflowing some buffer
>>on your machine-- I used cut and paste because I'm lazy and wanted to
>>do it fast.
>
>Cut and paste also does it.
>
>To reproduce: I hold the 'd' key until 5.5 lines are full. I hit
>cursor up two times (up to this point everything is fine) and then
>press the delete key. Makes Word crash every time. I tried this on
>several machines with different installs!
Works fine for me (Dell Vostro laptop).
Joel Koltner
news:4b16d6b3....@news.planet.nl...
> To reproduce: I hold the 'd' key until 5.5 lines are full. I hit
> cursor up two times (up to this point everything is fine) and then
> press the delete key.
Works fine for me. Do you have all of Microsquish's various patches/updates
installed? I'm running Word 2003 SP3 + whatever additional security updates
MS has issued.
Joel Koltner
news:vd2dneCNi4RARIvW...@earthlink.com...
> The boot sector is 512 bytes and contains a "pointer" to the rest of GRUB,
> which may be almost anywhere that the OS can reach.
So say I have a copy of my PC's boot section and partition that contains the
OS and the "rest of GRUB." I write both to a new hard drive, and let's assume
the partition (and hence the rest of GRUB) ends up on different sectors than
on the original PC. In that case, (presumably) GRUB's boot sector won't be
able to find the rest of itself; is there any super-simple way of fixing the
problem?
Thanks for the help,
---Joel
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
I can't see any problem with my machines. Perhaps, this could happen
because of some 3rd party spell checker or other add-on.
VLV
Dave Platt
Joel Koltner <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>So say I have a copy of my PC's boot section and partition that contains the
>OS and the "rest of GRUB." I write both to a new hard drive, and let's assume
>the partition (and hence the rest of GRUB) ends up on different sectors than
>on the original PC. In that case, (presumably) GRUB's boot sector won't be
>able to find the rest of itself; is there any super-simple way of fixing the
>problem?
The method I've used, when in a similar quandry, is to get a simple
stand-along GRUB boot image... they can be burned to a CD-R or written
to a USB stick. Boot from this, and you'll get a GRUB prompt, as both
the initial boot-sector and the later stages of GRUB are loaded from
this new medium.
You can then enter the "root" and "kernel" lines to tell GRUB where
your kernel image is and what command-line options to use, and then
say "boot". Your normal kernel and filesystem environment should then
come up. [May take a couple of tries to get all of the options right.]
Once you've brought the system up, log in as root and re-run
"grub-install". This will install fresh copies of the later-stage
GRUB elements, and write a new boot-sector stage which has the correct
load locations for the later-stage elements.
--
Dave Platt <dpl...@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
Baron
> Spehro Pefhany <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:34:08 GMT, ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Nico Coesel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a
>>>>> word that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
>>>>
>>>>I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word
>>>>spanning half a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.
>>>
>>>Now try to edit that word. I just tried it several times with Word
>>>2003 and it crashes all the time.
>>
>>
>>Not with a 'word' that spans > 1 page.
>>
>>Maybe your problem is holding that key down is overflowing some buffer
>>on your machine-- I used cut and paste because I'm lazy and wanted to
>>do it fast.
>
> Cut and paste also does it.
>
> To reproduce: I hold the 'd' key until 5.5 lines are full. I hit
> cursor up two times (up to this point everything is fine) and then
> press the delete key. Makes Word crash every time. I tried this on
> several machines with different installs!
>
I would get and run "Memtest" <memtest.org> that sounds very much like
bad memory somewhere.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
Jan Panteltje
<spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
<t8ldh5pr6o8s59kvu...@4ax.com>:
I got a funny 'stack overflow' running wine on some application, and a crash.
You can have Linux programs crash too that claim too much space on the stack,
they wont even start, More memory icould be the solution.
Try running this for different values of the aray size
/* test 38.c */
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
int main(int argc, char**argv)
{
int a[100000000];
fprintf(stderr, "test38: Hello sizeof(int)=%d\n", sizeof(int));
}
grml: ~ # gcc -o test38 test38.c
grml: ~ # ./test38
Stackspace limitation.
Jan Panteltje
(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b16d626....@news.planet.nl>:
>This is still far more inefficient and cumbersome than using Norton
>Ghost. Norton Ghost only copies occupied disk space and can create
>compressed images taking much less space than a copy of a disk image.
I do not see how
cp /dev/hda5 my_image
is cumbersome, except if you have a not functioning hand.
You can always run it through gzip, but that makes it slow.
Diskspace is not an issue these days, 1TB is now < 100$.
Norton is not needed ever.
It is only for the clueless.
Jan Panteltje
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<i8BRm.70305$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>:
If you really copy /dev/hda (without the number) to /dev/hdb,
then everything should work (assuming they are the same size).
I have done that.
>
>
VWWall
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub.html
It's one of the better explanations and seems to answer many questions.
By the time we all get to understand GRUB, GRUB II will be out!
--
Virg Wall
Joel Koltner
part of the "regular old file system" on a given partition (i.e., menu.lst,
etc. are stored within your, say, ext2 filesystem just like any other file),
or is it a special filesystem that GRUB understands but that actually occupies
parts of a partition separate from the rest of your files?
I ask in that it's never been clear to me how, if menu.lst, etc. are all just
regular files, GRUB manages to access them since first it would have to be
able to find the ext2 or ext3 or reiserfs or jfs or a myriad of other
filesystem driver, which seems like a chick-and-egg problem.
---Joel
Joel Koltner
> I just came across this tutorial on GRUB:
Thanks, I'll go read up o it!
> By the time we all get to understand GRUB, GRUB II will be out!
Maybe they'll come up with a better way to make packages too. I downloaded
and begin reading a tutorial on how to make your own .deb (or .rpm) packages,
and my eyes quickly rolled into the back of my head. :-) I mean, I realize
the problem is rather non-trivial with all the dependencies and whatnot, but
in the Windoze world there are at least a dozen readily-available installers
that build a setup.exe for you with just a bunch of pointing and clicking --
no dicey editing of manifest files by hand needed.
---Joel
Dave Platt
In article <PpDRm.72639$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>,
Joel Koltner <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks Dave; that's a reasonably simple approach. One last question: Is /grub
>part of the "regular old file system" on a given partition (i.e., menu.lst,
>etc. are stored within your, say, ext2 filesystem just like any other file),
>or is it a special filesystem that GRUB understands but that actually occupies
>parts of a partition separate from the rest of your files?
The former.
The only part of GRUB which isn't part of a normal filesystem, is the
boot-sector itself - the very first level. The later stages are all
stored in a standard filesystem.
>I ask in that it's never been clear to me how, if menu.lst, etc. are all just
>regular files, GRUB manages to access them since first it would have to be
>able to find the ext2 or ext3 or reiserfs or jfs or a myriad of other
>filesystem driver, which seems like a chick-and-egg problem.
When you run "install-grub", the installer asks your filesystem code
(e.g. ext2) where the later-stage loading files are (that is, their
actual sector offsets within the filesystem partition in which they
live). Specifically, it needs to know where "stage1" is, and the
"stage1_5" files for any filesystem formats you may need to use to
locate your kernel. I'm not sure whether it needs to know where
"stage2" is.
It patches these values into the bootloader and/or into stage1.
When you boot up, the boot-sector code now has enough information to
locate "stage1" on disk (without having to interpret any filesystem
structures) and it loads it. "stage1" has enough information to
locate the filesystem interpreter for EXT2, and loads that (and
"stage2", I think).
The menu.lst file, and any kernels and initial-RAMdisk images needed,
are locate dynamically by (e.g.) "e2fs_stage1_5" - it has enough
knowledge of the filesystem structure to be able to navigate
directories and load file contents (it's a purely read-only beast).
That's why you can navigate through directories dynamically, and boot
a kernel which wasn't even on the machine when you installed GRUB.
What this means, is that you need to re-run the grub installer and
write a new boot sector any time you move the low-level files around
(or update them), but don't need to do this low-level operation when
you edit menu.lst, or add a new kernel to your confirmation, or etc.
It's a more sophisticated system than LILO... which requires that you
re-run the low-level installer any time you change the kernel.
Replace vmlinux, and forget to run LILO again, and at best you'll
end up booting your old kernel rather than your new one. At worst,
you will sooner or later find that your old vmlinux file's sectors
have been re-used for a new file, and the "kernel" you just tried to
boot is actually Aunt Mamie's recipe for mango chutney.
Usually doesn't work too well...
Joel Koltner
This also explains why GRUB (stage 2) can be installed in many -- but not
all -- filesystems: It needs to contain (read-only) filesystem drivers so as
to be able to go and fetch menu.lst (and vmlinuz-* or whatever you tell it to
load).
I'm thinking the idea of keeping a "really small" Linux (and GRUB)
installation in one partition and your "main" Linux installation in another
would be quite handy (and using the small installation to recovery in case the
main one ever gets into trouble), although I suppose there's not a lot that
would provide that you couldn't get from booting from a memory stick. (Or
possibly a CD ROM, although there you have no ability to save little text
notes to yourself or whatever.)
After reading the link provided in the thread here, I also found this one
useful: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-initrd.html (I've
come across that web site before in Googling around for Linux stuff -- you
can't say IBM doesn't have some pretty savvy guys working for them...).
---Joel
Archimedes' Lever
Jan Panteltje
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<wtDRm.72640$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>:
Well, to be honest, I no longer use those .deb and .rpm methods of installing.
I do the dependencies by hand.
That does create some problems, sometimes, but I compile things from source.
For example I use the grml distro these days ( www.grml.org ), it is debian based,
but I have an old version (one of the first ones), and compiled hundreds of new
packages and replaced x.org with xfree, added stuff, it is now 'Panteltje Linux'.
If you try to install a .deb file on it, then it will not even be possible.
Slackware did it originally the right way: tar.gz or tgz is the way to go.
You will get a message when a lib is out of date.
And on a binary you can always see what you need by using ldd:
grml: ~ # whereis NewsFleX
NewsFleX: /usr/local/bin/NewsFleX
grml: ~ # ldd /usr/local/bin/NewsFleX
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7f40000)
libforms.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libforms.so.1 (0xb7eaf000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0xb7e8a000)
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0xb7e7c000)
libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/tls/libcrypt.so.1 (0xb7e4e000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0xb7d1b000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7c5c000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f68000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb7c4f000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/libdl.so.2 (0xb7c4b000)
grml: ~ #
Jan Panteltje
dpl...@radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in <mjiju6-...@radagast.org>:
>
>In article <PpDRm.72639$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>,
>Joel Koltner <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Thanks Dave; that's a reasonably simple approach. One last question: Is /grub
>>part of the "regular old file system" on a given partition (i.e., menu.lst,
>>etc. are stored within your, say, ext2 filesystem just like any other file),
>>or is it a special filesystem that GRUB understands but that actually occupies
>>parts of a partition separate from the rest of your files?
>
>The former.
>
>The only part of GRUB which isn't part of a normal filesystem, is the
>boot-sector itself - the very first level. The later stages are all
>stored in a standard filesystem.
>
>>I ask in that it's never been clear to me how, if menu.lst, etc. are all just
>>regular files, GRUB manages to access them since first it would have to be
>>able to find the ext2 or ext3 or reiserfs or jfs or a myriad of other
>>filesystem driver, which seems like a chick-and-egg problem.
>
>When you run "install-grub", the installer asks your filesystem code
>(e.g. ext2) where the later-stage loading files are (that is, their
>actual sector offsets within the filesystem partition in which they
>live). Specifically, it needs to know where "stage1" is, and the
>"stage1_5" files for any filesystem formats you may need to use to
>locate your kernel. I'm not sure whether it needs to know where
>"stage2" is.
'grub-install' may fail o nsome systems, cant remember teh reason,
but you can start grub manually ,and enter the commands.
Here is the kernel-howto I wrote for myself, grub install on variuos media is at the end.
This works, as I have compiled and installed many kernels on this system using that. howto.
It was once intended to be a script, but bette just read it.. and do it manually.
Kernel update howto copyright Jan Panteltje 2009-always, released under GPL2
# Instructions how to update kernel
Change the link in /usr/src for 'linux' to point to the new kernel with rm linux;ln -s new-kernel linux.
cd /usr/src/linux
# UPDATE DVB DRIVER (only if you use xdipo and associated software for satellite).
joe /usr/src/linux/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core/dmxdev.h
# change #define DVR_BUFFER_SIZE (10*188*1024) to:
# #define DVR_BUFFER_SIZE (100*188*1024)
#SAVE THE .config file!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cp .config .config.LAST
make mrproper
### SELECT xterm, NOT rxvt, else config crashes!!!!!!
### Use ctl BACKSPACE for backspace
make menuconfig
Load latest config from /root/kernel/
cp .config NEW_CONFIG_XXXX
make
make modules_install
# Copy image and map
#mv /boot/vmlinuz-$1 /boot/vmlinuz-$1.old
#cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-$1
#cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map-$1
# for boot with grub from ext2 on hdc6
mount /dev/hdd6 /mnt/hdd6
cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /mnt/hdd6/vmlinuz-$1
cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /mnt/hdd6/System.map-$1
umount /dev/hdd6
# Test new kernel like this from grub command line:
# >kernel (hd2,5)/vmlinuz-XXXXXX root=/dev/hdc7
# >boot
# Make a grub boot CD-RW or DVD+RW
#joe iso/boot/grub/menu.lst
cd
mkdir -p iso/boot/grub
cp /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2_eltorito iso/boot/grub
mkisofs -R -b boot/grub/stage2_eltorito -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o grub.iso iso
ls -rtl *.iso
#burn-cd-image grub.iso
# Use a DVD-RW
burn-dvd-image grub.iso
# Installing grub to hda:
#Copy all grub files, including stage1 and stage2 to /mny/hda1/boot/grub
#mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
#hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
mkdir -p /dev/hda1/boot/grub
#mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/hdb3
#hdparmn -d 1 /dev/hdb
########cp -ip /mnt/hdb3/lib/grub/i386-pc/* /mnt/hda1/
#cp -ip /root/kernel/boot-grub/* /mnt/fd0/boot/grub/
#Install manually from the Grub shell with:
grub
#root (hd0,0)
#setup (hd0)
#quit
#umount /dev/hda1
#umount /dev/hdb3
#hdparm -Y /dev/hda
#hdparm -Y /dev/hdb
# Maing a grub boot floppy
#mke2fs /dev/fd0
#mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/fd0
#mkdir -p /mnt/fd0/boot/grub
######cp -ip /mnt/hdb3/lib/grub/i386-pc/* /mnt/fd0/boot/grub/
#cp -ip /root/kernel/boot-grub/* /mnt/fd0/boot/grub/
#device (fd0) /dev/fd0
#grub
## in gub type
#root (fd0)
#setup (fd0)
#quit
MooseFET
> Good explanation Dave; thanks so much.
>
> This also explains why GRUB (stage 2) can be installed in many -- but not
> all -- filesystems: It needs to contain (read-only) filesystem drivers so as
> to be able to go and fetch menu.lst (and vmlinuz-* or whatever you tell it to
> load).
>
> I'm thinking the idea of keeping a "really small" Linux (and GRUB)
> installation in one partition and your "main" Linux installation in another
> would be quite handy (and using the small installation to recovery in case the
> main one ever gets into trouble), although I suppose there's not a lot that
> would provide that you couldn't get from booting from a memory stick. (Or
> possibly a CD ROM, although there you have no ability to save little text
> notes to yourself or whatever.)
If you get puppy Linux on a CD, you can boot it from CD. It does all
the things you would need to be able to do to fix up a broken system.
Puppy can also be installed onto a small partition. The install
process is fairly easy.
You can use it to make a full backup image of your main system onto a
USB hard drive. It is a good way to do a full backup.
>
> After reading the link provided in the thread here, I also found this one
> useful:http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-initrd.html(I've
Anssi Saari
> By the time we all get to understand GRUB, GRUB II will be out!
It's now out, at least in a developement version. Although for example
in Fedora 11 it installs as a menu entry in old grub, not as a primary
bootloader. It has the interesting feature that it can boot iso images
from hard disk. This is not as useful as one might like though, since
it only works if the stuff inside the iso in question is smart enough
to find itself... I.e. it knows look for files inside the iso image.
So booting grml (Debian based small live Linux) from an iso image with
the right boot options works, anything else is a definite maybe.
Anssi Saari
> but in the Windoze world there are at least a dozen
> readily-available installers that build a setup.exe for you with
> just a bunch of pointing and clicking -- no dicey editing of
> manifest files by hand needed.
Well, there's checkinstall for .deb packages and Autopackage for a
more general solution. I've never used them so I don't know if it's
easy or hard. I usually install non-packaged stuff from source using
stow to have a way to uninstall stuff too.
Anssi Saari
> I do not see how
> cp /dev/hda5 my_image
> is cumbersome, except if you have a not functioning hand.
>
> You can always run it through gzip, but that makes it slow.
It's also very dangerous, since gzip files are extra fragile.
Personally, I like to create a little reed-solomon error correction
data for my image backups with par2. I doubt Ghost provides anything
comparable but don't really know.
On the other hand, Partimage (and PING, a Linux distribution oriented
towards providing an alternative to Ghost with Partimage and other
tools) knows how to copy just the occupied sectors, on ext3 and
others, but NTFS support is experimental. Then again, ntfsclone does
the same thing for NTFS.
Jan Panteltje
<a...@sci.fi> wrote in <vg3einb...@pepper.modeemi.cs.tut.fi>:
Diskspace is so cheap these days, I just use cp.
When copying an image it is always 'fragile' in the sense that errors
may have far reaching effects.
That said, I have not seen a data error that I did not cause myself on my disk systems in about 9 years.
Data errors stick out on a 3 GB mpeg...
Seagate harddisks, Verbatim DVDs, Tyan mobo, what more can you want.
System up 24/7.
Jan Panteltje
<a...@sci.fi> wrote in <vg3einb...@pepper.modeemi.cs.tut.fi>:
PS
To make a backup of my Linux systems I actually use tar.
So I start fro man otehr lInux (that could be live disk,
but normally an other hd), and then mount tha tsystem,
then use tar -cvf on it.
the advantage is that you can do tar -xvf with that archive
on an other filesystem.
Also teh archive is smaller, and all dependencies and links and timestamps
are perfectly reproduced.
For programming I do have a script that backs up the stuff in each project directory.
3 backups minimal exists, one on internal disk,
one on external disk, and one on FLASH (USB stick).
If you do that every day your work is always safe.
Also I have scripts to release GPL software that simply makes .tgz files,
archives the versions locally, the tgz files have makefile.am and configure.ac normally.
With a hundred or so programs out there, each with maybe 10 versions or more or less,
means a thousand versions on disk.... and in the 'wild'.
never had a problem.
No rpm or deb for me :-)
People just do
tar -zxvf some_program-2.3.tgz
cd some program-2.3
./configure
make
make install
If they do not have the required libs, they should get them :-)
(To be fair I usually tell them in the INSTALL what is needed).
Nico Coesel
>On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:05:29 GMT) it happened ni...@puntnl.niks
>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b16d626....@news.planet.nl>:
>
>>This is still far more inefficient and cumbersome than using Norton
>>Ghost. Norton Ghost only copies occupied disk space and can create
>>compressed images taking much less space than a copy of a disk image.
>
>
>I do not see how
> cp /dev/hda5 my_image
>is cumbersome, except if you have a not functioning hand.
>
>You can always run it through gzip, but that makes it slow.
And that is exactly where Norton Ghost excels. It is blazingly fast
since it bypasses the OS and uses a clever compression algorithm. Even
huge disks take only a few minutes. Not to mention partition resizing
(cp can't do that). I never saw anyone using a knoppix CD and cp. I
saw a lot of people using Norton Ghost. So what is the sensible
choice?
Nico Coesel
Note the 'several machines'. I'm beginning to think it may have
something to do with the language / spell checker. After all Dutch is
the most complicated language on earth.
Jan Panteltje
(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b184884....@news.planet.nl>:
>Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:05:29 GMT) it happened ni...@puntnl.niks
>>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b16d626....@news.planet.nl>:
>>
>>>This is still far more inefficient and cumbersome than using Norton
>>>Ghost. Norton Ghost only copies occupied disk space and can create
>>>compressed images taking much less space than a copy of a disk image.
>>
>>
>>I do not see how
>> cp /dev/hda5 my_image
>>is cumbersome, except if you have a not functioning hand.
>>
>>You can always run it through gzip, but that makes it slow.
>
>And that is exactly where Norton Ghost excels. It is blazingly fast
>since it bypasses the OS and uses a clever compression algorithm. Even
>huge disks take only a few minutes. Not to mention partition resizing
>(cp can't do that). I never saw anyone using a knoppix CD and cp. I
>saw a lot of people using Norton Ghost. So what is the sensible
>choice?
tar
cp
dd
MooseFET
> On a sunny day (Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:27:09 GMT) it happened n...@puntnl.niks
> (Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b184884.1838391...@news.planet.nl>:
>
>
>
> >Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:05:29 GMT) it happened n...@puntnl.niks
> >>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b16d626.1743595...@news.planet.nl>:
>
> >>>This is still far more inefficient and cumbersome than using Norton
> >>>Ghost. Norton Ghost only copies occupied disk space and can create
> >>>compressed images taking much less space than a copy of a disk image.
>
> >>I do not see how
> >> cp /dev/hda5 my_image
> >>is cumbersome, except if you have a not functioning hand.
>
> >>You can always run it through gzip, but that makes it slow.
>
> >And that is exactly where Norton Ghost excels. It is blazingly fast
> >since it bypasses the OS and uses a clever compression algorithm. Even
> >huge disks take only a few minutes. Not to mention partition resizing
> >(cp can't do that). I never saw anyone using a knoppix CD and cp. I
> >saw a lot of people using Norton Ghost. So what is the sensible
> >choice?
>
> tar
> cp
> dd
I use gparted so that the backup is exactly a copy of what is backed
up and can be mounted so that one file can be copied back.
Yes I know that ark can let you look inside the compressed file.
Joel Koltner
news:584622b1-e4ac-4f9d...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> Yes I know that ark can let you look inside the compressed file.
Is there a means to "mount" a .gzip file? (E.g., z GZIP_FS, kinda like
SMBFS?)
I remember many years ago, under DOS, there was a driver that would let you
assign a drive letter to a .zip file; pretty slick idea. (It might have been
read-only, though...)
Jan Panteltje
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<uacSm.91988$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>:
Mount requires a filesystem, but a zipped archive, even if it was, or had, a filesystem in it, would be scrambled,
mount would not know what to do with it.
Jan Panteltje
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<uacSm.91988$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>:
>"MooseFET" <kens...@rahul.net> wrote in message
Mount requires a filesystem, but a zipped archive, even if it was, or had, a filesystem in it, would be scrambled,
mount would not know what to do with it.
PS
There is however 'cramfs', a compressed filesyste,m, I have used it on the linksys,
basically it is read only, this is from the kern docs in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems :
<quote>
Cramfs - cram a filesystem onto a small ROM
cramfs is designed to be simple and small, and to compress things well.
It uses the zlib routines to compress a file one page at a time, and
allows random page access. The meta-data is not compressed, but is
expressed in a very terse representation to make it use much less
diskspace than traditional filesystems.
You can't write to a cramfs filesystem (making it compressible and
compact also makes it _very_ hard to update on-the-fly), so you have to
create the disk image with the "mkcramfs" utility.
<end quote>
Joel Koltner
news:hfbjii$fd1$1...@news.albasani.net...
> Mount requires a filesystem, but a zipped archive, even if it was, or had, a
> filesystem in it, would be scrambled,
> mount would not know what to do with it.
Well, that's why I put mount in parentheses -- clearly you need a GZip
filesystem driver... but apparently such a utility doesn't exist. Same idea
as the CramFS information you posted... (which, as I say, I've seen available
for regular old .Zip files on DOS at least a decade back now).
Joel Koltner
year (a low-end netbook... Atom CPU and all of 16GB of SSD), and it worked
quite nicely -- seemed better that installing KDE or Gnome or one of the other
heavier-weight desktops that can natively "do the right thing" with Samba
shares.
Jan Panteltje
<zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<TjeSm.64767$Td3....@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com>:
I really do not know what SMBFS is, no have not used it.
I am running ext2 on the SDcards now.
If I want a lot of memory on the eeePC I just plug in the 1TB Seageta USB disk.
I use neither KDE nor Gnome, Qt4 is way to big, and I do not really like gnome.
Just have X, with a very old fvwm, and 9 virtual desktops, xfm filemanager in
one desktop with icons, all others have a rxvt in it.
I build all my GUI apps with xforms, or some older ones directly with xlib.
Joel Koltner
> I really do not know what SMBFS is, no have not used it.
It makes all those Windows-based file servers (using the Samba networking
protocol for file sharing) available to your Linux box... you mount SMBFS in
some directory, then the file servers should up as sub-directories, their
shared directories as sub-sub-directories, etc.
Someday you might want to run this if you buy some, e.g., off-the-shelf NAS
boxes -- some of them come with Samba support out of the box but not, e.g.,
NFS.
> I use neither KDE nor Gnome, Qt4 is way to big, and I do not really like
> gnome.
I found that XFCE gave me perhaps 90% of the power of Gnome with a much tinier
footprint. I've never tried FVWM.
---Joel
Nico Coesel
>"MooseFET" <kens...@rahul.net> wrote in message
>news:584622b1-e4ac-4f9d...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> Yes I know that ark can let you look inside the compressed file.
>
>Is there a means to "mount" a .gzip file? (E.g., z GZIP_FS, kinda like
>SMBFS?)
Midnight commandor (norton commander clone) allows browsing through
archives.
Baron
I'm going to have to stop speed reading. ;-)
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
JosephKK
<marti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Joel Koltner" <zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:9oZQm.303537$Jp1.2...@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>> in message news:1rn8h5968m0ubbbs1...@4ax.com...
>>> I now fear the "7". I'm close to needing a bunch of new PC's :-(
>>
>> It's nowhere near as bad as Vista was, and if you get the
>> Professional, Enterprise, or Ultimate version of Windows 7 it comes
>> with "Windows XP Mode," which is just virtual machine software and a
>> license to run a full-fledged copy of XP simultaneously with Win7
>> itself. Although this burns up plenty of memory (and a few extra CPU
>> cycles), it achieves the ultimate in compatibility.
>>
>> Perhaps the best operating systems have all already been written, and
>> the future will just be towards so-called hypervisors that just run an
>> assortment of virtual machines with your choice of legacy OSes!
>>
>> ---Joel
>>
>>
>>
>
>I think the Xp mode requires virtualization support on the motherboard.
>But it is a free download.
>
>Cheers
>
99 percent of the virtualization support is in the CPU chip itself. It
pretty well has to be there, think about it.
JosephKK
<baron....@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
>Nico Coesel wrote:
>
>> Spehro Pefhany <spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:34:08 GMT, ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Frank Buss <f...@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Nico Coesel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a
>>>>>> word that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-
>>>>>
>>>>>I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word
>>>>>spanning half a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.
>>>>
>>>>Now try to edit that word. I just tried it several times with Word
>>>>2003 and it crashes all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>>Not with a 'word' that spans > 1 page.
>>>
>>>Maybe your problem is holding that key down is overflowing some buffer
>>>on your machine-- I used cut and paste because I'm lazy and wanted to
>>>do it fast.
>>
>> Cut and paste also does it.
>>
>> To reproduce: I hold the 'd' key until 5.5 lines are full. I hit
>> cursor up two times (up to this point everything is fine) and then
>> press the delete key. Makes Word crash every time. I tried this on
>> several machines with different installs!
>>
>
>I would get and run "Memtest" <memtest.org> that sounds very much like
>bad memory somewhere.
The last i saw memtest doesn't get the job done any more.
JosephKK
wrote:
>
>"David L. Jones" ...
>>
>> BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is fighting
>> Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to use it forever.
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>Maybe because every MS operating system is better than the next?
>Art
>
If you ever had to endure MSwin95 you would know better that to say
that.
Vista is pretty much a total piece of crap, though some people do not
have problems with it. People are being very cautious about 7 because
of that.
JosephKK
<pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On a sunny day (Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:29:13 -0800) it happened "Joel Koltner"
><zapwireD...@yahoo.com> wrote in
><KncRm.65411$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>:
>
>>"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:hf31c7$s5t$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>> My Asus eeePC has xandros Linux installed,
>>> seems in the east 70% of netbooks runs Linux.
>>
>>In the west Microsoft cut a deal with the manufacturers to provide XP for
>>something like $15 per copy
>>(http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/04/19/ms.asks.15.for.xp.netbooks/),
>>so these days I'd say at least 70% of netbooks in the west run XP. :-) (And
>>of the remaining 30%, there's a mix of Linux and Windows 7 'Starter Edition').
>>
>>---Joel
>
>Yes, would be a disappointing experience having a netbook with xp
>and auto-updates enabled on a GPRS connection :-)
>OTOH the modern ones can run 8 hours on a charge... You will need it.
>Have not seen win7 yet, could be worse.
I don't tolerate auto updates. First it can be very disruptive
(clogging even DSL); second some updates i don't want.
MooseFET
wrote:
> "MooseFET" <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote in message
You want a "squash FS" if you want to really mount it. This is how
the Puppy Linux file system is stored and mounted. If you have the
SFS drivers, you can "loop back" the file and then mount it on other
linux versions too.
There are programs that make it look like the zipped archive is
mounted and you are browsing the contents with a file browser. What
it really is doing is giving you a nice GUI to an unzipping program
that can selectively unzip one file out of the archive and put it
somewhere or update the archive.
Rich Grise
> Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp.
Pick one - imbeciles don't make very effective crooks; they're not
smart enough.
A high IQ, you see, is no guarantee of any kind of moral integrity or
anything. You can have an IQ of 160, and still be a crook or an asshole.
(Lines from "Die Hard")
Girl: You're nothing but a common thief!
Crook: I am an _exceptional_ thief. <shit-eating grin>
I've met some retarded people, and they're some of the most loving,
morally upstanding people I've ever met.
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
>
> Note the 'several machines'. I'm beginning to think it may have something
> to do with the language / spell checker. After all Dutch is the most
> complicated language on earth.
Oh, come on! Have you ever compared it with English? ;-)
Are there homophones like "their", "there", and "they're"?
"Metal", "medal", "meddle", and "mettle"?
"prick" and "prick"? ;-)
Do the Dutch have an apostrophe? That's a whole nother can of worms! >:->
You should check out Mr. Language Person some time. ;-)
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mr.+Language+Person%22&
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0800, "Artemus" <bo...@bogus.bogus> wrote:
>>"David L. Jones" ...
>>>
>>> BTW, if XP is so crap, it's strange how every man and his dog is
>>> fighting Microsoft to keep it on the market so they can continue to use
>>> it forever.
>>>
>>
> If you ever had to endure MSwin95 you would know better that to say that.
>
> Vista is pretty much a total piece of crap, though some people do not have
> problems with it. People are being very cautious about 7 because of that.
I can't understand why MICRO$~1 doesn't just download a copy of the latest
Linux kernel (free!), write some eye candy and a "smart" installer, which
they _CAN_ copyright under the GNU General Public License,
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html ,
call it "Microsoft Linux!", and sell it for about 100 bucks a pop. (The
Slackware 13.0 CD set/DVD is now going for $32.99 .)
Or are they just constitionally incapable of admitting they've made
mistakes?
Cheers!
Rich
Vladimir Vassilevsky
Rich Grise wrote:
A guy meets a girl.
Guy: - Oh, I see, you are the software engineer!
Girl: - How do you know?
Guy: - You have a very stupid face.
Girl: - Imbecille!!!
Guy: - Yes, I am in the software, too.
VLV
Baron
Thats probably happening as we speak. M$ uses quite a bit of common
code that they claim to own but we have yet to see proof of that.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
Nico Coesel
>On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:30:58 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:
>>
>> Note the 'several machines'. I'm beginning to think it may have something
>> to do with the language / spell checker. After all Dutch is the most
>> complicated language on earth.
>
>Oh, come on! Have you ever compared it with English? ;-)
English is easy. For starters, the English language doesn't change
every now and then!
>Are there homophones like "their", "there", and "they're"?
Yes, the words for 'she' and 'them' are the same -to start with-.
>"Metal", "medal", "meddle", and "mettle"?
>"prick" and "prick"? ;-)
>Do the Dutch have an apostrophe? That's a whole nother can of worms! >:->
Yes, but we use the apostrophe for some plurals. And there are a huge
amount of exceptions and other oddities for plurals and things like
word endings that indicate something being smaller.
child -> kind
small child -> kindje
But we can make the child even smaller by adding an extra 'small'.
Saying 'small small child' can't be done in English, but it can be
done in Dutch. And child is an easy one.
In Dutch the order of a sentence (where to put time, place and who did
what) doesn't matter. It allows for a much finer grained control over
the context. And we can concatenate existing words into official new
words on the fly.
Here is a short introduction:
http://www.learnonline.nl/english/theorie_en/theorie_10_en.html
Nico Coesel
Probably a major case of the 'not invented here syndrom'. Google and
Nokia seem to be a lot smarter. Microsoft has lost the battle for the
smartphone.
JosephKK
wrote:
>Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:05:29 GMT) it happened ni...@puntnl.niks
>>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b16d626....@news.planet.nl>:
>>
>>>This is still far more inefficient and cumbersome than using Norton
>>>Ghost. Norton Ghost only copies occupied disk space and can create
>>>compressed images taking much less space than a copy of a disk image.
>>
>>
>>I do not see how
>> cp /dev/hda5 my_image
>>is cumbersome, except if you have a not functioning hand.
>>
>>You can always run it through gzip, but that makes it slow.
>
>And that is exactly where Norton Ghost excels. It is blazingly fast
>since it bypasses the OS and uses a clever compression algorithm. Even
>huge disks take only a few minutes. Not to mention partition resizing
>(cp can't do that). I never saw anyone using a knoppix CD and cp. I
>saw a lot of people using Norton Ghost. So what is the sensible
>choice?
You didn't see me because you weren't watching. I have done dd from
Knoppix as well.
JosephKK
wrote:
Does gparted call partimage as well as parted?
JosephKK
Really? I do not see any reason that it would be significantly
different than mounting an .iso via loopback.
MooseFET
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:13:37 -0800 (PST), MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net>
I think that gparted contains all the code that it needs it is not
just a shell on a text based call but rather has the workings compiled
in. I base this on the difference in the things I have found each
does on the same system. I could be wrong about this.
It can't call partimage because there is no copy of it on the machine
Nobody
>>Mount requires a filesystem, but a zipped archive, even if it was, or
>>had, a filesystem in it, would be scrambled,
>>mount would not know what to do with it.
>>
> Really? I do not see any reason that it would be significantly
> different than mounting an .iso via loopback.
An ISO image is an exact copy of an ISO-9660 filesystem, so the same
driver which works with a CD will work with an ISO image. The
filesystem driver doesn't care whether the data is on a CD-ROM or a
loopback device.
The main problem with gzip'd data is that you can't perform random access
on it. If you wanted the 12,345th sector, you'd have to decompress
everything from the start of the file until you have 12,344 sectors of
uncompressed data.
There's no inherent reason why you couldn't write a loopback driver which
works with gzip'd data, but even with caching the translation between
compressed and uncompressed offsets, the performance would be so bad that
there wouldn't be much point.
Similarly, you could write "zipfs", "rarfs", etc filesystem modules for
archive formats, but you run into issues due to files not being aligned to
sectors, meaning that e.g. mmap() would have to copy the data rather than
just mapping the pages from the buffer cache.
Read-write access would also be problematic, as archive formats typically
require files to be contiguous, so you would have to move data around
every time a file was extended (even if it was the last file, as most
archives put the catalogue at the end of the file).
In most cases, it's better to implement this sort of thing at the
application level. Both Gnome and KDE have virtual filesystem APIs
(GVFS and KIO) which allow applications to open e.g. URLs and files
within archives as well as normal files.