posting schematics on the group
john
Can anyone advice me how to post schematic diagrams on the group?
Thanks
John
Tim Wescott
PDF Creator or some other print-to-pdf application, but you can also
just make a .gif of a screenshot. Then do one of the following:
A: Post schematics to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic, and note
here when you have done so. Not everyone can read them, because
not everyone has access to binary newsgroups.
B: Post them to a website (yours, if you have one), and post a link
here. Anyone with web access will be able to see them.
--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" came out in April.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
Joerg
>> Hello
>> Can anyone advice me how to post schematic diagrams on the group?
>>
>> Thanks
>> John
>>
> First make a universally readable version of your schematic. I'd use
> PDF Creator or some other print-to-pdf application, but you can also
> just make a .gif of a screenshot. Then do one of the following:
>
> A: Post schematics to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic, and note
> here when you have done so. Not everyone can read them, because
> not everyone has access to binary newsgroups.
>
> B: Post them to a website (yours, if you have one), and post a link
> here. Anyone with web access will be able to see them.
>
And avoid JPEG (jpg) as that can make any drawing quite fuzzy and hard
to read, or causes a huge filesize if the resolution is brought to the
max to counter this.
Brings up the question: What file types can common newsgroup
participants read? People who have a business can often read anything
but that might no be true for hobbyists or people who use PCs other than
their own. For example while TIFF may be an efficient format I believe
some folks can't read it.
PDF is good but Acrobat is often so freaking slow.
--
Regards, Joerg
JeffM
I'm a big fan of the persistance of ASCII Art in text-only groups
via Google's Usenet Archive (formerly done by deja.com):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics/browse_frm/thread/86bb4239891d93d5/4523c80acf6aa356?q=R1+R2+Q2+author:Winfield-Hill&fwc=1
Andreas Weber has made it easy with his popular freeware tool:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/c205532fb4016e98/ee8a74e228513912?q=Andy's-ASCII-Circuit
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.tech-chat.de/aacircuit.html+&langpair=de%7Cen
There is one guy here
who does some OUTRAGEOUS stuff with just ASCII:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/0151f4be583db5ea?q=author:Fred-Bloggs+such-as-Courier&fwc=1
--not that he is alone in this:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/1c0ea4a370c986a0?q=___+author:Ban&fwc=1
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/4151958d0008b0e1?q=___+author:Fred-Bartoli&fwc=1
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/3be6eb4afa15e594/14fee3053d80b2cd?q=gnd+R1&fwc=1
.
.
If you **are** going to post graphics files (to a binaries group or
website),
GIF and PNG are the least burden to download and view.
As Joerg said, AVOID JPEG.
Another point some twits miss is
TURN OFF THE DOT GRATICULE before capturing the graphic.
JeffM
>For example while TIFF may be an efficient format
>I believe some folks can't read it.
>
I can't imagine it's any more diffficult on other platforms.
...but I agree: Don't use TIFF.
>PDF is good but Acrobat is often so freaking slow.
>
...and if you open it from within your browser,
the space left for the actual graphic/page is reduced. 8-(
pbde...@spamnuke.ludd.luthdelete.se.invalid
>Joerg wrote:
>>For example while TIFF may be an efficient format
>>I believe some folks can't read it.
>>
>Say what? IrfanView is freeware for Windows.
>I can't imagine it's any more diffficult on other platforms.
>...but I agree: Don't use TIFF.
It also means an installation hassle. GIF/PNG will mostly "just work" in most
browsers. It might be easy.. but the reader might be checking posts from a
public terminal etc.
Rich Grise
> Hello Tim,
>>> Can anyone advice me how to post schematic diagrams on the group?
>>>
>> PDF Creator or some other print-to-pdf application, but you can also
>> just make a .gif of a screenshot. Then do one of the following:
>>
>> A: Post schematics to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic, and note
>> here when you have done so. Not everyone can read them, because
>> not everyone has access to binary newsgroups.
>>
>> B: Post them to a website (yours, if you have one), and post a link
>> here. Anyone with web access will be able to see them.
>
> And avoid JPEG (jpg) as that can make any drawing quite fuzzy and hard
> to read, or causes a huge filesize if the resolution is brought to the
> max to counter this.
>
> Brings up the question: What file types can common newsgroup
> participants read? People who have a business can often read anything
> but that might no be true for hobbyists or people who use PCs other than
> their own. For example while TIFF may be an efficient format I believe
> some folks can't read it.
>
> PDF is good but Acrobat is often so freaking slow.
For line art, .gif , and for photos, .jpg or .jpeg .
Every now and then I hear of some "acrobat reader speeder-upper" which
suppresses some of the billion plug-in it loads, but I don't even know
where to look.
With Linux, of course, I can view anything. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Joerg
That's what I meant. What could one easily read while on a PC away from
home?
JeffM
>Every now and then I hear of some "acrobat reader speeder-upper"
>which suppresses some of the billion plug-in it loads,
>but I don't even know where to look.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=106650&cid=9076527#9076527
http://www.google.com/search?q=plug_ins+plug_ins_disabled+EWH32.api+printme.api+search.api
bill....@ieee.org
john wrote:
> Hello
> Can anyone advice me how to post schematic diagrams on the group?
One way is to draw your circuit in LTSpice amd post the coresponding
.asc file as text.
We can cut and paste the text into into the our own (free) copies of
LTSpice (Linear Technology SwitcherCad2), re-creating your circuit
diagram in an editable form.
Under Linux, the free gEDA circuit design programs also use text files
to hold circuit diagram data, but relatively few people here run gEDA
or Linux.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Rich Grise
If the borrowed computer doesn't have a browser that can render a .gif,
then borrow a different computer. :-)
Cheers!
Rich
DJ Delorie
bill....@ieee.org writes:
> Under Linux, the free gEDA circuit design programs also use text
> files to hold circuit diagram data, but relatively few people here
> run gEDA or Linux.
I'm pretty sure gEDA runs under Windows too, or Unix, or Max OS/X. I
think that covers almost everyone.
I think the problem with gEDA schematics is that they default to
referencing symbols, not embedding them, and I bet most people would
forget to embed them before sending out the schematic, resulting in
lots of broken symbols.
John Fields
wrote:
>Every now and then I hear of some "acrobat reader speeder-upper" which
>suppresses some of the billion plug-in it loads, but I don't even know
>where to look.
>
>With Linux, of course, I can view anything. ;-)
---
But, by your own admission, you can't view what's not _where_ you
look.
--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
Joerg
>>>>
>>>>>For example while TIFF may be an efficient format
>>>>>I believe some folks can't read it.
>>>>
>>>>Say what? IrfanView is freeware for Windows.
>>>>I can't imagine it's any more diffficult on other platforms.
>>>>...but I agree: Don't use TIFF.
>>>
>>>It also means an installation hassle. GIF/PNG will mostly "just work" in most
>>>browsers. It might be easy.. but the reader might be checking posts from a
>>>public terminal etc.
>>
>>That's what I meant. What could one easily read while on a PC away from
>>home?
>
> If the borrowed computer doesn't have a browser that can render a .gif,
> then borrow a different computer. :-)
>
That's a tough proposition when said computer resides in a hotel lobby
or a convention center ;-)
But they'll do GIF ok, TIFF seems to be another matter.
Sjouke Burry
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:14:59 GMT, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Every now and then I hear of some "acrobat reader speeder-upper" which
>>suppresses some of the billion plug-in it loads, but I don't even know
>>where to look.
>>
>>With Linux, of course, I can view anything. ;-)
>
>
> ---
> But, by your own admission, you can't view what's not _where_ you
> look.
>
>
John Fields
---
Your point being?
bill....@ieee.org
We can post text in sci.electronics.design, and the LTSpice and GEDA
text files aren't usually all that big. Image files are generally
binary - so we can't post them here - and quite a bit bigger, while
ASCII art is pest to draw and doesn't always display that well.
What other point would I have been making?
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
David L. Jones
> john wrote:
> > Hello
> > Can anyone advice me how to post schematic diagrams on the group?
> >
> > Thanks
> > John
> >
> First make a universally readable version of your schematic. I'd use
> PDF Creator or some other print-to-pdf application, but you can also
> just make a .gif of a screenshot. Then do one of the following:
>
> A: Post schematics to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic, and note
> here when you have done so. Not everyone can read them, because
> not everyone has access to binary newsgroups.
>
> B: Post them to a website (yours, if you have one), and post a link
> here. Anyone with web access will be able to see them.
B is a much better option.
The web is a much more reliable, more permanent, and more universally
accesible solution.
There are plenty of places to upload and share photos on the web.
Dave :)
David L. Jones
I share all my schematics and CRO screen shots in GIF format,
compatible with the web and browsers, and all image programs.
No lossy compression, and small enough file size.
I believe that PNG offers better lossless compression for this sort of
stuff, but support is less widespread than GIF
Dave :)
Eeyore
john wrote:
> Hello
> Can anyone advice me how to post schematic diagrams on the group?
As an attachment in a *binaries* group such as
alt.binaries.schematics.electronics. But *NOT* here !
Google groups doesn't have binaries groups though so you'll need to find
yourself a proper news server first.
Does your ISP have one ? Many ppl overlook this simple possibility.
Graham
Eeyore
Joerg wrote:
Irfanview is a fairly small download !
Graham
Jeroen Belleman
> Joerg wrote:
>> PDF is good but Acrobat is often so freaking slow.
>>
> ...and if you open it from within your browser,
> the space left for the actual graphic/page is reduced. 8-(
Yes, another feature we could do without.
For what it's worth, to get rid of that behaviour under Linux
with Mozilla, I just deleted /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so,
then told Mozilla to use acroread as a helper application.
Presto, pdfs now open in their own window.
Finding out was the hard part. They only tell you how *add*
features. Never how to *remove* them.
Jeroen Belleman
Robert Latest
David L. Jones <alt...@gmail.com> wrote
in Msg. <1161672635.2...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> I believe that PNG offers better lossless compression for this sort of
> stuff, but support is less widespread than GIF
PNG has been the recommended standard for years now. I'm unaware of any
platform or software that doesn't render PNG (except, of course, MSIE.
It renders it about as well as it renders GIF).
robert
Jan Panteltje
<jef...@email.com> wrote in
<1161643739....@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>Rich Grise wrote:
>>Every now and then I hear of some "acrobat reader speeder-upper"
>>which suppresses some of the billion plug-in it loads,
>>but I don't even know where to look.
>
>http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid 6650&cid 76527#9076527
>http://www.google.com/search?q=plug_ins+plug_ins_disabled+EWH32.api+printme.api+search.api
Linux xpdf
100X faster, no missing font messages.
Rich Grise
I seriously doubt if the hotel wants their customers installing software
on their public computer. ;-)
I know the local library won't let you install anything. Heck, you don't
even get a real login, but they do have an ordinary browser.
Cheers!
Rich
Joerg
>>>
>>>That's a tough proposition when said computer resides in a hotel lobby
>>>or a convention center ;-)
>>>
>>>But they'll do GIF ok, TIFF seems to be another matter.
>>
>>Irfanview is a fairly small download !
>
> I seriously doubt if the hotel wants their customers installing software
> on their public computer. ;-)
>
Exactly. Same goes for client's computers unless they are really missing
something, for example a Gerber viewer. Those are about the only things
I ever asked them to install.
GregS
A few years ago I used Pine to read Email. I could read it anywhere,
that is anywhere that could call up telnet. I used to do it at Kinkos.
One year I was in Vegas, I tried to use Telnet, the very basic of formats
to get into Pine, and the computer could not use Telnet or
do much of anything since they had limited most things you could do on a computer.
I was screwed until Webmail started to become common.
I like PDF or GIF which you should be able to zoom in with viewers.
I also like browsers that impliment zooming. Most all people have or can get for
free, some provider storage space. Tempoary files can be stored using FTP.
My provider Ipower just upgraded my 500MB to 10GB storage space.
greg
JeffM
>Most all people have or can get for free, some provider storage space.
>Tempoary files can be stored using FTP.
**Tempoary** being the operative word.
I see the Usenet Archive as a repository of knowledge (and other data).
I renew my call for ASCII diagrams with its inate longevity
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/msg/8f0442f3d583fe45?q=zzz+*-persistance-of-ASCII-Art
as demonstrated by Win Hill's post from 1994:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics/browse_frm/thread/86bb4239891d93d5/4523c80acf6aa356?q=R1+R2+Q2+author:Winfield-Hill&fwc=1
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.tech-chat.de/aacircuit.html+&langpair=de%7Cen
ISTR, Fred Bloggs said he uses this:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:m0ZhPqRV1LoJ:www.sigsoftware.com/emaileffects/+rotate-*-flip-selections+See-*-examples+Convert-pictures-or-drawings-instantly-to-text+zzz+Macintosh+Draw-*-erase+Mac+Windows+lines-circles-rectangles-or-freehand
joseph2k
Even Linux users can use LTspice via wine. In my experience it is very well
behaved. Now if i could gat gEDA running i could really compare the two.
--
JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.
--Schiller
bill....@ieee.org
joseph2k wrote:
> bill....@ieee.org wrote:
>
> >
> > john wrote:
> >> Hello
> >> Can anyone advice me how to post schematic diagrams on the group?
> >
> > One way is to draw your circuit in LTSpice amd post the coresponding
> > .asc file as text.
> >
> > We can cut and paste the text into into the our own (free) copies of
> > LTSpice (Linear Technology SwitcherCad2), re-creating your circuit
> > diagram in an editable form.
> >
> > Under Linux, the free gEDA circuit design programs also use text files
> > to hold circuit diagram data, but relatively few people here run gEDA
> > or Linux.
> >
>
> Even Linux users can use LTspice via wine. In my experience it is very well
The gEDA mob are working hard at making the installation easier and
more nearly automatic
See
http://www.geda.seul.org/download.html
I used the gEDA Suite CDROM to install my current copy under SuSE 10.0
- it is also reported to work under SuSE 10.1 - to get compiled code to
run on my AMD 64-bit processor, but the SuSE RPMs now include compiled
code for x86_64 processors as well as plain vanilla i_586 parts.
The installation CDROM worked perfectly, once I scrubbed out all traces
of my attempt at a manual installation. The mailing list was very
helpful.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
jasen
> Hello
> Can anyone advice me how to post schematic diagrams on the group?
if you've got a real newsreader you can post to
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic (if your ISP doesn't provide access,
newzrobot.com can locate a free server that does)
otherwise you'll have to render them in ascii in a fixed font.
for simple ones I used a regular text editor, for complex ones I cut
and paste from aewan,
> Thanks
> John
>
--
Bye.
Jasen