Has anybody ever used NJPCB?
Mike Noone
reason for choosing them is very simple: they were the cheapest, by a long
shot. The board I'm having printed is 1.5x5cm, double sided, with 6mil
trace/space. They have quoted me $65 shipped for 6 of these boards with
total time from order to delivery of 9 days. The next cheapest bid I got
was $180! I'm just worried though, having never dealt with them, or having
ever heard of anyone that has. Has anybody here ever used them? Anything I
should know or be worried about? They seem pretty legit, but better safe
than sorry!
-Mike Noone
martin.shoebridge
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Frank Bemelman
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I'd give it try, why not. I entered your figures in the online
calculator at www.eurocircuits.com (Europe, Belgium) and they
would charge you 80 euro's for 6 boards, or 95 euro for 25 boards.
Doublesided + 1 silkscreen. 1 Euro is ~1.18 USD. I have used
their service countless times, always on time, always top
quality.
But I'll try Njpcb soon, to see what happens ;)
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Thanks, Frank.
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JeffM
I wish you wouldn't.
Rewarding aberrant behavior breeds more of it.
Would you also hand a "tip"
to someone who brought his dog over daily to shit in your yard?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/f323821be0461723/6c59f04b8be0af13?q=*-*-*-twelve-hundred-*-*-in-China-*+spamming-the-group-*-*-*-*-*-*
Of all the PCB fab houses in China,
I find it difficult to believe that you can't find one with a
competitive price
who doesn't spam the groups daily
and who doesn't have a website constructed by chimps.
Paul E. Schoen
"JeffM" <jef...@email.com> wrote in message
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There are many local (US) PCB houses with competitive pricing, and I would
rather contribute to the US economy if possible and reasonable. I buy cheap
tools and other things made in China, with just a little bit of guilt. It's
just that the Chinese products are so much cheaper, and often fairly good
quality. There is just such a huge difference in cost of living, work
ethics, and lifestyle expectations between the biggest conspicuous
consumers (and wasters) of material goods, and most of the rest of the
world. Eventually, perhaps, there will be a bit more equity and similarity
among the global population, and this will probably be the result of the
ultimate cost of energy, which is a common denominator for the cost of
living and lifestyle.
The original post for this was definitely inappropriate for this newsgroup.
A discussion of experiences and prices from various board houses, by end
users, should be OK. Some NGs are especially touchy about any possible hint
of commercialism. The worst I experienced was in rec.diving, where I
replied to a post about cold water diving problems with information about a
friend's product, which is a wet suit heater. See www.patcoinc.com for
details. This immediately fanned the flames, and some people thought it was
very helpful information, while others considered it terrible abuse,
because my friend might make a dollar or two.
Paul E. Schoen
www.pstech-inc.com
Rich Grise
I'd say, go for it, but be very picky about the specifications and
contract requirements, and so on - be merciless with your spec, and
inspection - at those prices, you can afford to do some in-house
inspection, and if it doesn't meet your spec (which you've made
perfectly clear to the vendor, with no ambiguities), they have to
do it over. Of course, they could turn out an impeccable product.
I'm with the others - give it a shot! :-)
Cheers!
Rich
Mike Noone
news:1144870125.9...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:
I agree that their business practices are questionable. I'd be open to
other reccomendations, but this is the best price I've found so far.
-Mike
Richard H.
> The board I'm having printed is 1.5x5cm, double sided, with 6mil
> trace/space. They have quoted me $65 shipped for 6 of these boards with
> total time from order to delivery of 9 days. The next cheapest bid I got
> was $180!
http://www.futurlec.com/PCBService.shtml - they're in Australia, and
they front for a PCB house in Thailand. 10/10 traces, 20mil min drill
$55.50 for your size qty6, plus $9 S&H, if you don't really need 6/6
traces. Most of the cost is for setup - the boards themselves are $0.75
each. The closest shop I've found in the US is about 2x the cost.
I've used these guys with great results after someone recommended them
here. They'll also do v-scoring (at no additional charge!), which is
really helpful if you're making a lot of small parts - you send them an
arrayed panel, assemble on the panel, then snap apart the boards.
NJPCB may look attractive, but their business practices are questionable.
Richard
Richard H.
> $55.50 for your size qty6, plus $9 S&H, if you don't really need 6/6
> traces. Most of the cost is for setup - the boards themselves are $0.75
> each. The closest shop I've found in the US is about 2x the cost.
Details... that's for 2x solder mask and 1x silkscreen. You can cut up
to $36 off that price if you ship mask and silk. (So, as low as $19 for
the job.) But if you're doing 6/6, I'm sure you won't skip the mask. :-)
(They'll also do 2x silk for an extra $12 per batch if you want it.)
DJ Delorie
"Richard H." <rh...@no.spam> writes:
> $55.50 for your size qty6, plus $9 S&H, if you don't really need 6/6
> traces. Most of the cost is for setup - the boards themselves are
> $0.75 each. The closest shop I've found in the US is about 2x the
> cost.
More options...
www.batchpcb.com: 8/8 rules, $45-50 for six boards, 2 sq in each,
depending on shipping. Assuming I've interpreted their pricing rules
right - I rounded up. And assuming you're not in a hurry ;-)
Or get a 18 boards panelized onto a single DSS-sized board from olimex
(also 8/8 rules) for $33 plus S&H.
4pcb barebones (6/6 rules, I've used this one) - buy one 4.5x2" board
and cut it up - $46 plus s&h. (the 3/33 special has a $50 charge for
arrays).
pcbpool can do 6/6 in a panel of 13 (min size) for $56 shipped to the
USA. They have a-la-carte mask and silk options too, at $12.50 each
per side.
> NJPCB may look attractive, but their business practices are
> questionable.
Agreed. It's not hard to avoid spammers, and there's no point in
rewarding them for spamming.
Richard H.
> www.batchpcb.com: 8/8 rules, $45-50 for six boards, 2 sq in each,
> depending on shipping. Assuming I've interpreted their pricing rules
> right - I rounded up. And assuming you're not in a hurry ;-)
Yes, better widths, for sure. I've tried them too. But beware, this is
literally a couple of guys doing order aggregation part time in school -
they have zero customer service; customers are left to support each other.
They turn out good results, but have issues like 3-week turn times,
parts getting dropped from batches without them knowing, etc. They also
charge in increments of 1 sq. inch per board (not per batch), which
makes them unattractive if you're doing very many boards in a batch -
once you cross ~$60 you can get probably 3x as many boards elsewhere.
> Or get a 18 boards panelized onto a single DSS-sized board from olimex
> (also 8/8 rules) for $33 plus S&H.
This is always an option. Personally, I'd rather pay to have the PCB
cut for me. Using a brake press seems to be the preferred method.
(Folks have recommended the 7-1/2" mini brake/shear from both Grizzley
and Harbor Freight.) And I'd rather separate tiny boards after they're
assembled, not before.
> 4pcb barebones (6/6 rules, I've used this one) - buy one 4.5x2" board
> and cut it up - $46 plus s&h. (the 3/33 special has a $50 charge for
> arrays).
4PCB does top-notch work - the best place I've used. Their program at
http://www.33each.com is a great deal for the quality, but their pricing
otherwise is not competitive. At last check, they'd let you do an array
in the panel for $50 per order more, but I don't think they'd route them
out for you. Their barebonespcb.com deal is excellent if you can
survive without mask.
> pcbpool can do 6/6 in a panel of 13 (min size) for $56 shipped to the
> USA. They have a-la-carte mask and silk options too, at $12.50 each
> per side.
Good pricing & specs, but sadly (at least for for my purposes :-) will
not do v-scoring. When you get down to 0.5" boards, this makes a big
difference in the effort to assemble them.
> Agreed. It's not hard to avoid spammers, and there's no point in
> rewarding them for spamming.
So, the challenge becomes... how does one find PCB houses with
dirt-cheap pricing and specs like NJPCB if they don't spam? Apparently
I'm looking for them in all the wrong places. (Some advertising in the
trade rags would get these guys way more business than spamming ever would.)
Cheers!
Richard
John - KD5YI
Hi, Mike -
This one advertised in Circuit Cellar and, AFAIK, does not spam:
They have a good Web site and they take Paypal (unlike NJPCB who wants
Western Union payments). In your request for quote, you should ask NJPCB how
to go about ordering from them.
I am not associated with either of these businesses, nor have I used their
services other than for a quote. However, I thought you might be interested
in the product ordering procedure of each.
Regards,
John