Stock control software?
martin griffith
shortages etc.
Just been chatting to a mate who is doing it with a XLS spread sheet,
far too complicated.
He used to use Page freeware, but that died on th Y2K problem, but was
apparently ideal for the work.
Done a quick search of the archives, nothing obvious. But ISTR that
there was an Oz software package that looked good
martin
Fred Bloggs
Run a Google search under * inventory management freeware *, then come
back and you tell us...
martin griffith
Joerg
>>Run a Google search under * inventory management freeware *, then come
>>back and you tell us...
>
> sheesh, terminology....
>
> found this
> http://www.trilogydesign.com/index.htm
>
Doesn't look free to me. When there is no price listed but a link to ask
for a quote that can often mean $$$. Enterprise SW typically is
expensive but for a larger business it can be well worth it. Before
embarking on one particular product talk with others because this is
usually a decision you can't easily change a few years down the road.
But for heaven's sake don't use spreadsheets for that and discourage you
friend from doing that. It may be ok for a hobby project but the query
options are rather limited. I use databases exclusively. Come to think
of it, I do not use spreadsheets at all anymore these days. Since the
biz isn't large I am pretty happy with the Works/Access format.
Check it out: Your PC most likely came with Office or Works and that
usually contains a database program.
Regards, Joerg
martin griffith
Hi Joerg,
No its for a 2 man 1 wirewoman biz, just stuffing pcs, doing final
test, etc.
He just wants something simple, and P+V I think may do the job. it is
cheap, 99$ to 300$, well worth it, by the looks of it
martin
Joerg
> He just wants something simple, and P+V I think may do the job. it is
> cheap, 99$ to 300$, well worth it, by the looks of it
>
Could be ok. Make sure it's a long standing business you buy from. After
all, you don't want to find out 5-10 years from now that the SW has
become incompatible with something on the PCs and then the SW vendor has
gone belly up. That would mean most or all of the legacy data might have
to be re-entered into a new system by hand. I have seen that happen more
than once.
Regards, Joerg
Frank Bemelman
news:9LU0f.781$B14...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
That's not something that needs to happen. For every possible database
engine there are ODBC drivers, it can all be converted to mysql or
whatever. Often the most ingenious part of the system is the actual
design of the database, relations between tables etc. The application
to manage the database, well, thats just an application ;)
BTW, if customers expect to live 5-10 years with the same software,
every SW vendor goes belly up.
--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)
Joerg
>>Could be ok. Make sure it's a long standing business you buy from. After
>>all, you don't want to find out 5-10 years from now that the SW has
>>become incompatible with something on the PCs and then the SW vendor has
>>gone belly up. That would mean most or all of the legacy data might have
>>to be re-entered into a new system by hand. I have seen that happen more
>>than once.
>
> That's not something that needs to happen. For every possible database
> engine there are ODBC drivers, it can all be converted to mysql or
> whatever. Often the most ingenious part of the system is the actual
> design of the database, relations between tables etc. The application
> to manage the database, well, thats just an application ;)
>
I have seen quite proprietary formats there and that's when obsolescence
problems happened. So yes, it is also important to find out that the
chosen vendor does not use a proprietary file format.
But even if they don't, porting it all to a new system is a huge job.
> BTW, if customers expect to live 5-10 years with the same software,
> every SW vendor goes belly up.
I don't agree there. Enterprise SW must live longer than that. Where the
vendors make money is on the maintenance and upgrades. A SW that won't
have a chance to live a decade will not be bought for my biz, that's for
sure.
BTW, the biz data is still entered and stored in a Works 2.0 compatible
format. The same that I used 1990.
Regards, Joerg
RST Engineering (jw)
30 years, and I don't think he has any intent on leaving the biz. I've got
my complete manufacturing inventory on it, and while I think it emphasizes
the V part (vendors) to the detriment of the P (parts) side, it is very
useful.
The ONE thing it doesn't do that "some day (TM)" I'll write an ancillary
code to do is invoice, keep a running bank balance, subtract parts sold
directly out of inventory on a B/M basis, and give me a projection of parts
usage as a function of history.
For the money, it is a damned fine program.
Jim
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bem...@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote in message
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RST Engineering (jw)
"Joerg" <notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Hello Frank,
>>
> I have seen quite proprietary formats there and that's when obsolescence
> problems happened. So yes, it is also important to find out that the
> chosen vendor does not use a proprietary file format.
P&V uses a straight unadorned Access .mdb file. You can get in and mess up
the database all you want {;-)
>
> I don't agree there. Enterprise SW must live longer than that. Where the
> vendors make money is on the maintenance and upgrades. A SW that won't
> have a chance to live a decade will not be bought for my biz, that's for
> sure.
Last major upgrade (v5) was in 2002. Seems they do a major version once
every two or three years. I'm expecting one soon. By the way, my current
revision is 5.0.143. I think they start at 5.0.100, so that's 43 minor
glitch fixes in 3 years. They are very conscientious about making minor
upgrades and glitchfixes as they come along.
THey also have an ancillary program that coordinates with Circuitmaker (an
obsolete Protel pcb layout and schematic capture program) that I did the
beta testing on. I can give P&V a Circuitmaker file and it makes a
Manufacturing Parts List for me for all the parts on the board.
Not only that, but P&V has 5 "user fields" that are customizable to your own
liking. Since I make "Heathkit" types of products, I've got one field set
up for "marking", so that along with the MPL I get the resistor color code
for each resistor, the color banding on a diode, the part number printed on
capacitors, and all that stuff that makes user manual editing a real breeze.
Jim
Joerg
> The ONE thing it doesn't do that "some day (TM)" I'll write an ancillary
> code to do is invoice, keep a running bank balance, subtract parts sold
> directly out of inventory on a B/M basis, and give me a projection of parts
> usage as a function of history.
>
As long as the user can write macros or small additional programs to do
that with a reasonable effort that should be fine.
> For the money, it is a damned fine program.
Sure looks like it. What better endorsement can the program get than
right here on s.e.d.?
Then why don't they simply tell us on their web site what the three
versions cost? To me "Request quote" somehow has that taste of going to
a car dealer. The last one said if he develops an ulcer it would be my
fault. The one before that almost had a nervous breakdown after about
four solid hours of haggling. I actually began to enjoy it...
Regards, Joerg
RST Engineering (jw)
Go to www.trilogydesign.com
Click on "ordering/pricing" at the top of the page.
From the drop-down box pick any option and you get something like this:
Program Edition 1-5 Licenses, @ 6-11 Licenses @ 12+ Licenses @
SE $99 $79 $69
EX $299 $239 $209
ECO $399 $329 $299
...and so on. What's the problem?
Jim
"Joerg" <notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
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martin griffith
They do, Online ordering/priceing on the home page
martin
Spehro Pefhany
\(jw\)" <j...@rstengineering.com> wrote:
>They do, in about three or four places.
>
>Go to www.trilogydesign.com
>
>Click on "ordering/pricing" at the top of the page.
>
>From the drop-down box pick any option and you get something like this:
>
> Program Edition 1-5 Licenses, @ 6-11 Licenses @ 12+ Licenses @
> SE $99 $79 $69
> EX $299 $239 $209
> ECO $399 $329 $299
>
>
>...and so on. What's the problem?
>
>
>Jim
Does the Trilogy product do everything you'd want it to do?
I'm looking for some software to develop that might have some
commercial potential. I've played with the demo on this, and it seemed
pretty good, but that's not the same as *committing* to using it for
everything.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
sp...@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Joerg
> Click on "ordering/pricing" at the top of the page.
>
> From the drop-down box pick any option and you get something like this:
>
> Program Edition 1-5 Licenses, @ 6-11 Licenses @ 12+ Licenses @
> SE $99 $79 $69
> EX $299 $239 $209
> ECO $399 $329 $299
>
>
> ...and so on. What's the problem?
>
Well, I did. Tried again with IE and then I got the prices. Maybe the
site didn't like Mozilla.
Those are quite decent prices, especially if the deluxe version is good
at ECO handling.
Regards, Joerg
RST Engineering (jw)
> Well, I did. Tried again with IE and then I got the prices. Maybe the
> site didn't like Mozilla.
I use firefox exclusively and didn't have a problem. I dunno what is going
on, but glad you finally got the data.
>
> Those are quite decent prices, especially if the deluxe version is good at
> ECO handling.
"good" being a relative term. It is really quite detailed (23 pages in the
printed manual) which is way more than I need, so I do mine by Excel. If I
wanted to make my ECO train run on P&V's tracks, I suspect I'd need a day or
so to set the system up. However, most of my designs never need ECOs {;-)
Jim
RST Engineering (jw)
> Does the Trilogy product do everything you'd want it to do?
No, and I think I wrote in another post on this thread what I'd like it to
do. However, we are a rather specialized business in that the manufacture
we do is on a rather small scale (50 is a large production run) and we sell
to individuals ... think Heathkit.
>
> I'm looking for some software to develop that might have some
> commercial potential. I've played with the demo on this, and it seemed
> pretty good, but that's not the same as *committing* to using it for
> everything.
I'd love for it to do some of the financial stuff (invoicing, bank accounts,
checkwriting...) and some inventory predictions based on past performance.
I'd also like to be able to amortize shipping across inventory as a function
of either weight or cost.
However, as I've stated, it is one hell of a product for what it costs.
Jim
PigPOg
John Woodgate
<notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote (in
<hCV0f.9076$oO2....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>) about 'Stock control
software?', on Wed, 5 Oct 2005:
>The last one said if he develops an ulcer it would be my fault.
You are Helicobacter pylori in disguise? I see the guys who discovered
it have a Nobel. Goo for them!
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
If everything has been designed, a god designed evolution by natural selection.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
Utopian Drifter
any trouble and it uses a standard database file. Great product at a
very fair price. Hope to see it grow into a complete small business
package someday.
Big advantages for me is that it has some very simple import and export
functions that allow me to sort lists, export them to csv files that I
can bring into a spreadsheet. That allows me to do special things with
the data that the program does not do. Then I can import it right back
into the P&V program.
Download the demo and play with it. It is fully operational, they just
limit the size of the database is all.
What do I wish it had????
Same thing everyone else wants. The rest of the story. Add the invoicing
and other basic accounting functions into it and you will have the
perfect small business package. Right now I have to all my books on
Quickbooks. P&V does have some integration with Quickbooks, but I would
far prefer to have it all integrated so I do not have to always run
exports from one program to the other. To easy to make mistakes or
omissions.
Good luck.
JeffM
I wouldn't put too much faith in their ability to code.
They can't even build a standards-compliant Web page:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.numberone.com/stockit.asp
...of course Trilogy didn't do much better:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.trilogydesign.com
martin griffith
<jef...@email.com> wrote:
http://www.rowland.org/ 2 errors
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ 72 errors
http://www.nbc.com/ 397 errors
http://www.analog-innovations.com/ 17 errors
http://www.google.com/ 41 errors
martin
Ken Smith
>However, most of my designs never need ECOs {;-)
That just means they didn't stay in production long enough. Right now
I've got a problem with a connector I designed in, in 1996. The maker has
"impoved" them or maybe its because the guy who knew when to kick the
machine retired.
Yesterday, I had an issue with a CD4000 part designed in in 1978. The
smooth handling of ECR-ECOs is an important part of any system.
I think I'll just retire before the lead free mess hits. :)
--
--
kens...@rahul.net forging knowledge
JeffM
>>>> martin griffith
>>>
>>>We use STOCKIT from www.numberone.com
>>> PigPOg
>>
>>I wouldn't put too much faith in their ability to code.
>>They can't even build a standards-compliant Web page:
>>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.numberone.com/stockit.asp
>>
>>...of course Trilogy didn't do much better:
>>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.trilogydesign.com
>
>http://www.rowland.org/ 2 errors
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/ 72 errors
>http://www.nbc.com/ 397 errors
>http://www.analog-innovations.com/ 17 errors
>http://www.google.com/ 41 errors
My favorite example of bad HTML coding (so far):
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.floridatoday.com
613 errors
John Woodgate
<1128713679.6...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>) about 'Stock
control software?', on Fri, 7 Oct 2005:
>My favorite example of bad HTML coding (so far):
>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.floridatoday.com 613
>errors
Validator is VERY picky. But it's best to eliminate as many errors as
possible. I run the ISCE web site using Dreamweaver, which is also
super-critical. It flags errors that I can't possibly do anything about.
Most of them are about incompatibility with Opera 2, but I don't know
anyone who uses that. So, if any Opera 2 user likes to tell me whether
they have problems with any of the ISCE pages, I would be grateful.
Winfield Hill
>
> JeffM wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't put too much faith in their ability to code.
>> They can't even build a standards-compliant Web page:
>> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.numberone.com/stockit.asp
>
> http://www.analog-innovations.com/ 17 errors
> http://www.google.com/ 41 errors
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ 72 errors
> http://www.nbc.com/ 397 errors
Hey, we have far fewer errors than anyone else! Must
be the fantastic excellence of our Cambridge living!
--
Thanks,
- Win
Jim Thompson
<Winfiel...@newsguy.com> wrote:
Barf!
So who does your web mastering?
I do mine strictly a cappella with FrontPage, no professional help at
all, just pasting-in new items as they come up.
BTW, I've found copies, or scanned-in, data sheets for my standard
(commercial) product designs.
I have yet to decide what else is publishable without NDA conflicts.
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Bob Stephens
> Must
>> be the fantastic excellence of our Cambridge living
August tick...tick...tick...
September Tick...Tick...Tick...
Octobrrr TICK...TICK...TICK...
(remainder left as an excercise for the reader)
Low 80's here in SoCal today ;)
Bob
JeffM
>>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.floridatoday.com
>>613 errors
>
>Validator is VERY picky.
> John Woodgate
>
Well, since w3c.org is The WorldWide Web Consortium
(the guardians of the HTML standard),
you either are in compliance or you are generating quasi-HTML.
.
.
>...incompatibility with Opera 2
>
You have it backwards:
Opera 2's incompatibility with the HTML *standard*.
...then there's M$IE:
Internet Explorer--Superior When Parsing Broken Code
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/19/0236213&threshold=5&mode=nested#10563498
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/19/0236213&threshold=5&mode=nested#10563510
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/19/0236213&threshold=5&mode=nested#10564679
Jim Thompson
wrote:
It's now Fall here in Arizona, only 90°+ ;-)
JeffM
>>>> JeffM
>>
>>Hey, we have far fewer errors than anyone else!
>>Must be the fantastic excellence of our Cambridge living!
>
>Barf!
> Jim Thompson
>
Win *does* like to yank your Massa2shits-hating chain.
.
.
>who does your web mastering?
>I do mine strictly a cappella with FrontPage
>
generates unnecessarily verbose code
(not great--even if you're getting a bargain on bandwidth).
That code is also NOT necessarily going to render in all browsers.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:HfqzeGpwES8J:cs195.ummissoula.net/week9.html+FrontPage-is-restricted-to-Microsoft-only-solutions+FrontPage-is-notorious-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-Internet-Explorer-*-bloated-*-*-*-unnecessary-*-code
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:9F-IeVdkou4J:www.encyclopedia-online.info/HTML_editor+FrontPage+only-*-*-in-internet-explorer+Microsoft-Word+bloated+preserve-all-Word-markup
Jim Thompson
>>>>>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.numberone.com/stockit.asp
>>>>> JeffM
>>>
>>>Hey, we have far fewer errors than anyone else!
>>>Must be the fantastic excellence of our Cambridge living!
>>> Winfield Hill
>>
>>Barf!
>> Jim Thompson
>>
>Win *does* like to yank your Massa2shits-hating chain.
Not nearly as much as I like yanking Win's ;-)
>.
>.
>>who does your web mastering?
>>I do mine strictly a cappella with FrontPage
>>
>Which (like other M$ products that produce "HTML" output)
>generates unnecessarily verbose code
>(not great--even if you're getting a bargain on bandwidth).
>That code is also NOT necessarily going to render in all browsers.
>http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:HfqzeGpwES8J:cs195.ummissoula.net/week9.html+FrontPage-is-restricted-to-Microsoft-only-solutions+FrontPage-is-notorious-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-Internet-Explorer-*-bloated-*-*-*-unnecessary-*-code
>http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:9F-IeVdkou4J:www.encyclopedia-online.info/HTML_editor+FrontPage+only-*-*-in-internet-explorer+Microsoft-Word+bloated+preserve-all-Word-markup
I have no marital arrangements with M$.
Can I import what I have in FrontPage into Dreamweaver and clean it
up?
Winfield Hill
>
>>> Hey, we have far fewer errors than anyone else!
>>> Must be the fantastic excellence of our Cambridge living!
>>> Winfield Hill
>>
>> Barf!
>> Jim Thompson
>
> Win *does* like to yank your Massa2shits-hating chain.
Guilty as charged. Nobody but Jim gives a hoot. Well,
maybe John, who lives in San Francisco, a city that some
say can beat the pants off Boston.
>> who does your web mastering?
>> I do mine strictly a cappella with FrontPage
Our own graphics and news guy, who started with handcoding
(same as I do, http://www.picovolt.com/win/elec/index.html )
but who now uses Adobe GoLive, plus handcoding, IIRC. He's
a Massachusetts College of Art graduate.
--
Thanks,
- Win
JeffM
>>generates unnecessarily verbose code
>>(not great--even if you're getting a bargain on bandwidth).
>> JeffM
>
>Can I import what I have in FrontPage into Dreamweaver
>and clean it up?
Not having bothered with either,
I can't speak to specifics of automated clean-up.
The last item in the Encyclopedia article to which I linked
talks about filters being available to do that.
(It mentions WinWord specifically).
If Dreamweaver won't,
it shouldn't be difficut to get something that will:
http://www.google.com/search?q=strip-out+by-FrontPage
martin griffith
<Winfiel...@newsguy.com> wrote:
thats quantum inturbulance for you.
hmmm, sorry but Guy Macaroon has zilltch, zero, nada errors, last time
I looked.
(this is really sad, chechicking out websites for errorses)
How was the Ig noble stuff?
martin
Jim Thompson
<Winfiel...@newsguy.com> wrote:
Looks like "validator" is more BS than fact.
A quick look with UltraEdit shows the attributes reported as "no
attribute" ARE there, they're just turned OFF. I do no fancy/smancy
shit on my website.
(I personally use Firefox with NoScript allowing only select pages to
run javascript: banks, credit cards, bill paying, etc.)
However, if anyone finds a viewing issue with their browser, please
let me know, listing what error messages/viewing problems you see,
I'll look into it.
Winfield Hill
>
> Bob Stephens wrote:
>
>> August tick...tick...tick...
>> September Tick...Tick...Tick...
>> Octobrrr TICK...TICK...TICK...
>> (remainder left as an excercise for the reader)
>>
>> Low 80's here in SoCal today ;)
>
We're supposed to get a cold snap in NE in mid Sept., followed
by a week or two of Indian Summer. This year no cold snap, all
Indian Summer, continuing till now. Tonight a change begins,
rain and cold, down to a low of 48 at night by early next week.
What a joke, we *need* a bit of serious "cold" to switch gears.
How else can we get ready for glorious white snow next January?
--
Thanks,
- Win
Rich Grise
> On 7 Oct 2005 14:10:08 -0700, "JeffM" <jef...@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.numberone.com/stockit.asp
>>>>>> JeffM
>>>>
>>>>Hey, we have far fewer errors than anyone else!
>>>>Must be the fantastic excellence of our Cambridge living!
>>>> Winfield Hill
>>>
>>>Barf!
>>> Jim Thompson
>>>
>>Win *does* like to yank your Massa2shits-hating chain.
>
> Not nearly as much as I like yanking Win's ;-)
>
>>>I do mine strictly a cappella with FrontPage
>>>
>>Which (like other M$ products that produce "HTML" output)
>>generates unnecessarily verbose code
>>(not great--even if you're getting a bargain on bandwidth).
>>That code is also NOT necessarily going to render in all browsers.
>>http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:HfqzeGpwES8J:cs195.ummissoula.net/week9.html+FrontPage-is-restricted-to-Microsoft-only-solutions+FrontPage-is-notorious-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-Internet-Explorer-*-bloated-*-*-*-unnecessary-*-code
>>http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:9F-IeVdkou4J:www.encyclopedia-online.info/HTML_editor+FrontPage+only-*-*-in-internet-explorer+Microsoft-Word+bloated+preserve-all-Word-markup
>
> I have no marital arrangements with M$.
>
> Can I import what I have in FrontPage into Dreamweaver and clean it
> up?
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Jeezis! If you have somebody who can read HTML, you could import it into
NOTEPAD and clean it up! I've never seen as crappy of "HTML" as the crap
that comes out of frontpage. Except, maybe, if you're trying to use Word.
Good Luck!
Rich
John Woodgate
>>>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.floridatoday.com
>>>613 errors
>>> JeffM
>>
>>Validator is VERY picky.
>> John Woodgate
>>
>Well, since w3c.org is The WorldWide Web Consortium (the guardians of
>the HTML standard), you either are in compliance or you are generating
>quasi-HTML.
Yes, but it goes postal over even minor faults. It should categorize
errors into 'serious' and 'minor'.
>.
>.
>>...incompatibility with Opera 2
>>
>You have it backwards:
>Opera 2's incompatibility with the HTML *standard*.
**I** don't have it backwards, it's Dreamweaver that flags the 'errors'.
John Woodgate
<thegr...@example.com> wrote (in
<sopdk15pp8b5dig3d...@4ax.com>) about 'Stock control
If it claims to be .html (or .htm of course), yes.
John Woodgate
wrote (in <pan.2005.10.08....@example.net>) about 'Stock
control software?', on Sat, 8 Oct 2005:
>Jeezis! If you have somebody who can read HTML, you could import it
>into NOTEPAD and clean it up!
In theory. Have a go at one of the pages at www.isce.org.uk that has
nested tables. You might get just a little confused by the complexity.
>I've never seen as crappy of "HTML" as the crap that comes out of
>frontpage. Except, maybe, if you're trying to use Word.
I originally tried to run the site using Word, after it had been
originally written with a proper application. It wasn't a success.
Rich Grise
> I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <ri...@example.net>
> wrote (in <pan.2005.10.08....@example.net>) about 'Stock
> control software?', on Sat, 8 Oct 2005:
>
>>Jeezis! If you have somebody who can read HTML, you could import it
>>into NOTEPAD and clean it up!
>
> In theory. Have a go at one of the pages at www.isce.org.uk that has
> nested tables. You might get just a little confused by the complexity.
It depends. Was the indenting done by a human, or by one of those
"html writer" programs?
OK, I confess - HTML 4.01 Transitional has some tags that I haven't
learned yet, but I could look them up in seconds (like, '<tbody>' is
kinda self-documenting ;-) ). I guess the point is, what's so hard about
keeping track of nested stuff? I've been writing C since your kids
graduated high school, so I know to indent. :-)
Other than that, it's pretty clean-looking HTML.
>>I've never seen as crappy of "HTML" as the crap that comes out of
>>frontpage. Except, maybe, if you're trying to use Word.
>
> I originally tried to run the site using Word, after it had been
> originally written with a proper application. It wasn't a success.
My hat is off to you sir. :-)
Cheers!
Rich
John Woodgate
wrote (in <pan.2005.10.08....@example.net>) about 'Stock
control software?', on Sat, 8 Oct 2005:
>It depends. Was the indenting done by a human, or by one of those "html
>writer" programs?
I don't know for sure.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> In theory. Have a go at one of the pages at www.isce.org.uk that has
> nested tables. You might get just a little confused by the complexity.
I've created a number of web pages with nested tables, all done from
scratch, in Wordpad.
--
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Our own graphics and news guy, who started with handcoding
> (same as I do, http://www.picovolt.com/win/elec/index.html )
> but who now uses Adobe GoLive, plus handcoding, IIRC. He's
> a Massachusetts College of Art graduate.
How do you like the Adobe GoLive? I was given the CDROM and manual
the other day, but I haven't had the time to try it out. I am looking
at building a very large website, possibly a few thousand pages. It
will be a umbrella site for all the Veterans clubs, news, fund raising
efforts to help our homeless veterans and provide links to all of the
services available for veterans in the Marion County, Florida and
adjoining areas. I have always hand coded the HTML in Wordpad, but a
project this big may force me to do it another way.
John Woodgate
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote (in
<43494658...@earthlink.net>) about 'Stock control software?', on
Sun, 9 Oct 2005:
> I have always hand coded the HTML in Wordpad,
Do you set up keyboard shortcuts or something for the most common code
sequences? I can't really imagine putting all those characters in place
individually.
We even used keyboard shortcuts to put formatting codes into Wordwise on
the BBC Micro.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Do you set up keyboard shortcuts or something for the most common code
> sequences? I can't really imagine putting all those characters in place
> individually.
>
> We even used keyboard shortcuts to put formatting codes into Wordwise on
> the BBC Micro.
I just have a number of templates that I copy and paste to create
what I need. Why write the code more than once? I also use search and
replace to convert tabbed data from a database into tables. A different
number of tabs between the groups of data, and replace the largest group
of tabs first. I can insert extra columns into the database before
exporting it and do the conversion in a couple minutes.