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Jim Thompson

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Jul 15, 2012, 4:28:57 PM7/15/12
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Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...

My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(

Anyone know a hack?

A new set of cartridges is ~$200, and I'm not sure if the print heads
will require replacing as well... it's been a year since it was last
used :-(

For a quick fix, I'll take my memory stick to OfficeMax and have them
print this task.

...Jim Thompson
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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

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Jul 15, 2012, 5:06:43 PM7/15/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:28:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...
>
>My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
>with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>
>Anyone know a hack?
>
>A new set of cartridges is ~$200, and I'm not sure if the print heads
>will require replacing as well... it's been a year since it was last
>used :-(
>
>For a quick fix, I'll take my memory stick to OfficeMax and have them
>print this task.
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Old HP cartridges had hacks and required shorting of pins on the
cartridge, etc.

Don't know if there is on the newer cart. systems, but if there is a
search will find it.

That is how I found reset info on the old B size printer I have.

alie...@gmail.com

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Jul 15, 2012, 7:05:41 PM7/15/12
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On Jul 15, 1:28 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> Sheeeesh!  A new problem every minute...
>
> My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
> with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>
> Anyone know a hack?
>
> A new set of cartridges is ~$200, and I'm not sure if the print heads
> will require replacing as well... it's been a year since it was last
> used :-(
>
> For a quick fix, I'll take my memory stick to OfficeMax and have them
> print this task.
>
>                                         ...Jim Thompson
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> | Analog Innovations, Inc.                         |     et      |
> | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    |
> | Phoenix, Arizona  85048    Skype: Contacts Only  |             |
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>
> I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

I found the following here:

http://hardwarefetish.com/398-hp-ink-cartridge-expiration-patch

JW - 11/15/2010 at 05:29

"21 I ran your hpfix.exe patch for my K850 printer, and though it
found and modified the driver file, it did not change “SET TIMESTAMP”
to “SET TIMESTAMX” as in your notes…it changed another byte in a very
different location. Thankfully, your [R]estore option worked to put
things back the way they were. Then I used a binary editor on the same
driver file (Hpz3r42i.dll), and manually changed “@PJL SET TIMESTAMP”
to “@PJL SET TIMESTAMX” as in your notes, restarted, and now it works
fine — no more ink expiration errors! Thanks!
[HP tech. support & mgmt. was absolutely a waste of time on this -- no
respect for even good customers. Will avoid all HP in future.]"

Apparently the complicated fix didn't work but editing the timestamp
file does.

Worst case, if it goes sideways on you, you can always use the
"Restore" option, but you're back to square one.

Some claim that you can power down and disconnect the printer, reset
your PC clock, then reconnect and turn on the printer to fool it into
thinking the cartridges are younger than they really are.

I have not tried any of these tricks; I quit using HP printers a
couple of years ago.

Good luck!


Mark L. Fergerson

Tom Biasi

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Jul 15, 2012, 7:15:17 PM7/15/12
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The HP chips in the cartridge don't look at computer time, only pico
drops dispensed.
You can hack that but you still need to put ink in them.

Tom


Greegor

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:33:28 AM7/16/12
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I read up on this issue once and saw that there
had been some interesting legal skirmishes.

One company that made and sold a way to
bypass the printer maker supply scam
got in trouble for reverse engineeering under DMCA.

Then one or two US states FOUGHT BACK
by passing laws requiring that printer cartridges
MUST be refillable BY THE CONSUMER
as a landfill or recycling issue.

It actually seems like the whole computer printer
market has been in a slump because so many
consumers are so ticked off about this in/toner
proprietary cartridge scam.

I'd like to see the whole ink/toner proprietary
supplies scam come to a halt.

Standardized cartridges that are designed to
be refilled would cut down on massive waste
in landfills, both for the machines and the supply
cartridges.

What standards organization would have to
design a few basic standardized cartridges
for something like that to work?

EIA? JEDEC? or what?

Jeff Liebermann

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Jul 16, 2012, 2:23:01 AM7/16/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:06:43 -0700, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers
<thesli...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

>>My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
>>with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>>
>>Anyone know a hack?

Hold POWER while pounding on the Paper Feed button 3 times. That is
rumored to work on the OfficeJet Pro K850. However, I've never
actually tried it.

If that fails, toss the piece of junk and buy a real laser printer.
11x17 large format laser printers are not commodity items, but are
available (used) for tolerable prices. Some copiers also will do
11x17 and can also print via USB or preferably ethernet.

Look at the HP LaserJet 5200dtn (dtn = Double sided, 2nd Tray,
Network) for about $700 used on eBay.

For 8.5x11, I like the HP LaserJet 2300dtn for about $250 used on
eBay.


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Robert Baer

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:43:22 AM7/16/12
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Jim Thompson wrote:
> Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...
>
> My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
> with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>
> Anyone know a hack?
>
> A new set of cartridges is ~$200, and I'm not sure if the print heads
> will require replacing as well... it's been a year since it was last
> used :-(
>
> For a quick fix, I'll take my memory stick to OfficeMax and have them
> print this task.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Try the following: take them out as if you were going to put new ones
in. Then put them back in and lie,saying you put new ones in.
This works on some of the "older" HP & Lexmart printers.

PeterD

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Jul 16, 2012, 7:06:35 AM7/16/12
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On 7/16/2012 2:23 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> buy a real laser printer.
> 11x17 large format laser printers are not commodity items, but are
> available (used) for tolerable prices. Some copiers also will do
> 11x17 and can also print via USB or preferably ethernet.

Agreed. I've three Xerox 5400 laser printers, which will do 11x17 full
bleed easily. Their prices on the used market is very good, and the
toner cartridges are very long life (20K images.) As well, they do (with
a simple upgrade) full duplex for double sided work--we do our
instruction sheets on one of these (hundreds at a time) and the results
are great.

--
I'm never going to grow up.


Bob Masta

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Jul 16, 2012, 7:32:05 AM7/16/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:28:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...
>
>My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
>with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>
>Anyone know a hack?
>
>A new set of cartridges is ~$200, and I'm not sure if the print heads
>will require replacing as well... it's been a year since it was last
>used :-(

I've had bad experience with ink-jets that are infrequently
used. I'd print something, and a month (or more) later I'd
want to print the next thing and the heads were clogged. A
few years back I gave up an bought a cheap laser (Brother
HL-1440). Couldn't be happier... but of course it won't do
color.

Best regards,


Bob Masta

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Tom Biasi

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Jul 16, 2012, 8:12:08 AM7/16/12
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On 7/16/2012 3:43 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
> Try the following: take them out as if you were going to put new
> ones in. Then put them back in and lie,saying you put new ones in.
> This works on some of the "older" HP & Lexmart printers.
>

Some of the older ones could only store two carts code in memory. If you
had three and rotated the first would look like a new one.

Nico Coesel

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Jul 16, 2012, 8:54:24 AM7/16/12
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Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com>
wrote:

>Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...
>
>My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
>with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>
>Anyone know a hack?

I had an extra satisfying moment this morning. I took the HP inkjet
printer to the waste disposal depot. Inkjet is total crap if you don't
use it everyday. And if you print everyday then laser is cheaper. I
got a nice all in one laser printer (B&W) from HP.

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indicates you are not using the right tools...
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Jim Thompson

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Jul 16, 2012, 10:19:44 AM7/16/12
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:23:01 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:06:43 -0700, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers
><thesli...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
>
>>>My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
>>>with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>>>
>>>Anyone know a hack?
>
>Hold POWER while pounding on the Paper Feed button 3 times. That is
>rumored to work on the OfficeJet Pro K850. However, I've never
>actually tried it.

Thanks, Jeff! I'll try that.

>
>If that fails, toss the piece of junk and buy a real laser printer.
>11x17 large format laser printers are not commodity items, but are
>available (used) for tolerable prices. Some copiers also will do
>11x17 and can also print via USB or preferably ethernet.
>
>Look at the HP LaserJet 5200dtn (dtn = Double sided, 2nd Tray,
>Network) for about $700 used on eBay.
>
>For 8.5x11, I like the HP LaserJet 2300dtn for about $250 used on
>eBay.

I have a P2015dn that keeps happily plugging along... fingers crossed
:-)

Jim Thompson

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Jul 16, 2012, 10:27:46 AM7/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:54:24 GMT, ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...
>>
>>My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
>>with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>>
>>Anyone know a hack?
>
>I had an extra satisfying moment this morning. I took the HP inkjet
>printer to the waste disposal depot. Inkjet is total crap if you don't
>use it everyday. And if you print everyday then laser is cheaper. I
>got a nice all in one laser printer (B&W) from HP.

I have a P2015dn laser that still works nicely... the K850 was for
occasional 11"x17" drawings for me, but mostly color stuff for Girl
Scouts, which my wife no longer needs, so I may just toss the dude and
get the occasional color need done at OfficeMax or Staples.

Jeff Liebermann

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Jul 16, 2012, 12:48:46 PM7/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:19:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>I have a P2015dn that keeps happily plugging along... fingers crossed
>:-)

I use those for cash registers and invoice printing. They're not the
best available but they do work. About 3000 pages per cartridge with
a conservative refill.

I've seen some electronics failures on the PCB and some gouged fuser
roller problems.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z3BJpcajJA>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1acw-7kMws>
I use a hot air desoldering station and IR thermometer instead of an
oven. Same problem with all HP products that use large size BGA
chips.

When it paper jams (it will eventually), replace the pickup roller and
seperation pad. Clean out the toner crud with a compressed air hose.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_K3rwpY7mg>

This is the main reason I like (some) HP printers. They *CAN* be
repaired, and parts are commonly available:
<http://www.printerworks.com>

Jeff Liebermann

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Jul 16, 2012, 12:55:02 PM7/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:48:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>I've seen some electronics failures on the PCB and some gouged fuser
>roller problems.
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z3BJpcajJA>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1acw-7kMws>

I forgot the last video part 3:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1q2lmoLUzc>

Charlie E.

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:50:52 PM7/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:32:05 GMT, N0S...@daqarta.com (Bob Masta)
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:28:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...
>>
>>My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
>>with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>>
>>Anyone know a hack?
>>
>>A new set of cartridges is ~$200, and I'm not sure if the print heads
>>will require replacing as well... it's been a year since it was last
>>used :-(
>
>I've had bad experience with ink-jets that are infrequently
>used. I'd print something, and a month (or more) later I'd
>want to print the next thing and the heads were clogged. A
>few years back I gave up an bought a cheap laser (Brother
>HL-1440). Couldn't be happier... but of course it won't do
>color.
>
>Best regards,
>
>
>Bob Masta

Yes, I have a Brother inkjet for color and tabloid printing, but I am
just about to give up on it. Everytime I go to use it, one or more of
the ink cartridges have gummed up and wont' print. To keep it going,
you almost have to run it daily, which is a real pain. It is parallel
port only, and the only machine that I have that works with it takes
almost 10 minutes to boot up. I don't have a half hour ever day just
to baby sit a printer I only need every few months. I have finally
just started to go to Staples or other supply store when I need color
or tabloid prints...

Jon Elson

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:09:52 PM7/16/12
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Jim Thompson wrote:

> Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...
>
> My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
> with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>
> Anyone know a hack?
>
> A new set of cartridges is ~$200, and I'm not sure if the print heads
> will require replacing as well... it's been a year since it was last
> used :-(
Good Lord! Don't you know ink jet printers have to be used at
least weekly or the heads dry out? I've never had much luck getting
working again after even a month or so. I've totally sworn off ink
jets for that reason.

Jon

Jim Thompson

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:09:07 PM7/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:50:52 -0700, Charlie E. <edmo...@ieee.org>
wrote:
My solution, as well.

Anyone tried the cheapy Brother color laser?

Jon Elson

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Jul 16, 2012, 4:40:50 PM7/16/12
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Greegor wrote:

> I read up on this issue once and saw that there
> had been some interesting legal skirmishes.
>
> I'd like to see the whole ink/toner proprietary
> supplies scam come to a halt.
Yeah, this all was fought about 50 years ago when IBM
(and maybe others) said if the US government used anything other
than IBM-brand tapes on their computers the warranty would
be voided. The government sued and won.

Now, the companies are making the printers so sensitive to
cartridges and the cartridges so tricky about refilling that
the printers no longer work. If you try to print a dense
photographic image, the vacuum builds up in the cartridge
until the ink stops flowing. So, to prevent refilling, even
brand-new cartridges no longer work for their intended purpose!

Jon

Jamie

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Jul 16, 2012, 5:54:29 PM7/16/12
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Nico Coesel wrote:
> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Sheeeesh! A new problem every minute...
>>
>>My venerable OfficeJet Pro K850 (Tabloid, 11"x17") refuses to print,
>>with some hp crap message that the cartridges have timed-out :-(
>>
>>Anyone know a hack?
>
>
> I had an extra satisfying moment this morning. I took the HP inkjet
> printer to the waste disposal depot. Inkjet is total crap if you don't
> use it everyday. And if you print everyday then laser is cheaper. I
> got a nice all in one laser printer (B&W) from HP.
>

I had a HP 960 Professional model, it could sit there for months and
it would work when ever I needed it. It may on the first initial print
of the first color used have a moment of no ink but I would just print
out a simple quick test page to make sure it was clear.. I never had a
dry out problem with that model.. Of course the refills were expensive
as hell, which is why I didn't bother with it any more when it became
obvious fewer places were stocking them.

Jamie

Michael A. Terrell

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Jul 16, 2012, 5:56:45 PM7/16/12
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"Charlie E." wrote:
>
> Yes, I have a Brother inkjet for color and tabloid printing, but I am
> just about to give up on it. Everytime I go to use it, one or more of
> the ink cartridges have gummed up and wont' print. To keep it going,
> you almost have to run it daily, which is a real pain. It is parallel
> port only, and the only machine that I have that works with it takes
> almost 10 minutes to boot up. I don't have a half hour ever day just
> to baby sit a printer I only need every few months. I have finally
> just started to go to Staples or other supply store when I need color
> or tabloid prints...


USB to parallel interfaces are cheap, these days. Sometimes they go
for $2 on Ebay.

Charlie E.

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Jul 16, 2012, 6:38:03 PM7/16/12
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Maybe it is just my own prejudices, but I never even look at Ebay for
stuff. I just get too much feeling of caveat emptor...

Charlie

Jim Thompson

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Jul 16, 2012, 7:05:39 PM7/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:38:03 -0700, Charlie E. <edmo...@ieee.org>
wrote:
Same here. But when I spot something I really want, I pay thru
PayPal, which... so far... has not failed me.

Michael A. Terrell

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Jul 16, 2012, 7:05:54 PM7/16/12
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I've only had a couple questionable results out of about 300
purchases. I generally watch what something is going for, then bid on
the low hanging fruit.

Like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/120943465521

I needed a rack mount case to build a 10 MHz distribution amp. The
thing looks brand new and has 50 low loss BNC connectors, along wtih
about 10 pounds of electronics. It doesn't look like it was ever
mounted in a rack, and I got it for $10 & $18 shipping. A new rack
mount case that size is about $120 & shipping. The BNC connctors would
run $50 for cheapies.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/170577269179 is a USB to parallel for $2.04, and
free shipping.

Michael A. Terrell

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Jul 16, 2012, 7:07:36 PM7/16/12
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Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:38:03 -0700, Charlie E. <edmo...@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:56:45 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> ><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Charlie E." wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I have a Brother inkjet for color and tabloid printing, but I am
> >>> just about to give up on it. Everytime I go to use it, one or more of
> >>> the ink cartridges have gummed up and wont' print. To keep it going,
> >>> you almost have to run it daily, which is a real pain. It is parallel
> >>> port only, and the only machine that I have that works with it takes
> >>> almost 10 minutes to boot up. I don't have a half hour ever day just
> >>> to baby sit a printer I only need every few months. I have finally
> >>> just started to go to Staples or other supply store when I need color
> >>> or tabloid prints...
> >>
> >>
> >> USB to parallel interfaces are cheap, these days. Sometimes they go
> >>for $2 on Ebay.
> >
> >Maybe it is just my own prejudices, but I never even look at Ebay for
> >stuff. I just get too much feeling of caveat emptor...
> >
> >Charlie
>
> Same here. But when I spot something I really want, I pay thru
> PayPal, which... so far... has not failed me.


I had to ask PayPal to take care of one problem, and they quickly
resolved it.
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