Democrats are scumbags
Jim Thompson
in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Obama thinks the term "bully pulpit" actually means "pulpit bully"
Bill Sloman
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
"As Chairwoman of the SAVE NY Task Force, the Assemblywoman traveled
throughout New York state to meet with various constituencies to
develop and improve ways to protect New York’s women and children from
domestic abuse and sexual violence. The task force played an integral
role in raising awareness of these issues. A number of its proposals,
including civil confinement of sex offenders and stiffer penalties
under Megan’s Law, were adopted as legislation."
So now we know why Jim doesn't like Assemblywoman Scozzafava.
If she'd just siphoned off tax-payers money to fatten Haliburton and
the oil companies, like certain members of the previous admistration,
Jim wouldn't find her in the least objectionable. but she's guilty of
violating the sanctity of the home and letting big government get
between a man and his family - democratic scumbaggery at its worst.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Joe Chisolm
> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. They will
be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a job for them in the
O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
--
Joe Chisolm
Marble Falls, Tx.
Martin Riddle
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:dh44f5lj6qio74euv...@4ax.com...
> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
> --
Obama Mob, Sounds like a 70's Blaxploitation film.
Cheers
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
Michael A. Terrell
Martin Riddle wrote:
>
> Obama Mob, Sounds like a 70's Blaxploitation film.
No. Those had a plot.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Michael A. Terrell
flipper wrote:
>
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:55:55 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Martin Riddle wrote:
> >>
> >> Obama Mob, Sounds like a 70's Blaxploitation film.
> >
> >
> > No. Those had a plot.
>
Only when he can see the TelePrompTer.
Beryl
> On Nov 4, 7:26 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 12:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>>
>> Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
>>> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
>> "As Chairwoman of the SAVE NY Task Force, the Assemblywoman traveled
>> throughout New York state to meet with various constituencies to
>> domestic abuse and sexual violence. The task force played an integral
>> role in raising awareness of these issues. A number of its proposals,
>> including civil confinement of sex offenders and stiffer penalties
>>
>> So now we know why Jim doesn't like Assemblywoman Scozzafava.
>>
>> If she'd just siphoned off tax-payers money to fatten Haliburton and
>> the oil companies, like certain members of the previous admistration,
>> Jim wouldn't find her in the least objectionable. but she's guilty of
>> violating the sanctity of the home and letting big government get
>> between a man and his family - democratic scumbaggery at its worst.
>>
>> --
>> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
>
> http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/03/al-gore-the-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire/
"Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and
the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And
few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as
well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it
comes."
So? Who wouldn't invest in things that they advocate?
Greegor
so worked up about United States politics?
Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to
give the US advice might be funnier though.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
>Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get
>so worked up about United States politics?
He's the standard for extremely ignorant assholes residing in the
Netherlands.
>
>Fidel Castro or Hugo Ch�vez attempting to
>give the US advice might be funnier though.
Both actually have, claiming their citizens were healthier than in the
US.
...Jim Thompson
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How severe can senility be? Just check out Slowman.
Jim Thompson
Definition heard a few days ago...
Blue-dog Democrat: Yellow-belly Democrat holding breath while waiting
for "change"... for so long they've turned blue ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Obama says, "I AM NOT a cry baby, Fox REALLY IS out to get me!"
Andrew
>>Fidel Castro or Hugo Ch�vez attempting to
>>give the US advice might be funnier though.
>
> Both actually have, claiming their citizens were healthier than in the
> US.
Absolutely.
http://books.google.com/books?id=d8lXpLqzt6AC&pg=PP10#v=onepage
--
Andrew
Ouroboros Rex
Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell
anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. lol
David Eather
> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
you are very lucky That I don't debate your version or "republicanism"
and expose it for what it is.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
"What it is"???
What!
Expose me as really being a _Libertarian_? Smoke what you want. Fuck
what you want. "Marry" what you want. Get in my face and I'll shoot
your ass.
Expose me as a hater of crooked politicians who steal the sheep blind
under the name of "hope and change" ?:-)
Expose me as being for balanced budgets and "transparency"?
Expose me as one who believes in kicking ass instead of kissing ass?
Go ahead ;-)
...Jim Thompson
--
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"I have a dream that [we] will one day live in a nation where
[Obama] will not be judged by the color of [his] skin but by the
content of [his] character."
Obama will then be impeached.
"Free at last! free at last! Thank God Almighty, we [will be] free
at last!"
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 7:26 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>> On Nov 5, 12:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>>>
>>>> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
>>> "As Chairwoman of the SAVE NY Task Force, the Assemblywoman traveled
>>> throughout New York state to meet with various constituencies to
>>> from domestic abuse and sexual violence. The task force played an
>>> integral role in raising awareness of these issues. A number of its
>>> proposals, including civil confinement of sex offenders and stiffer
>>>
>>> So now we know why Jim doesn't like Assemblywoman Scozzafava.
>>>
>>> If she'd just siphoned off tax-payers money to fatten Haliburton and
>>> the oil companies, like certain members of the previous admistration,
>>> Jim wouldn't find her in the least objectionable. but she's guilty of
>>> violating the sanctity of the home and letting big government get
>>> between a man and his family - democratic scumbaggery at its worst.
>>
>
> "Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the
> need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And few
> have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as well
> positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it
> comes."
>
> So? Who wouldn't invest in things that they advocate?
"Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in
this country?" Mr. Gore responded. "I am proud of it. I am proud of it."
Yeah, when the business is theft.
Can you say, "corruption", boys and girls?
Cheers!
Rich
iman way
<freedom_...@example.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:28:54 -0800, Beryl wrote:
> > dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Nov 4, 7:26 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >>> On Nov 5, 12:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>
> >>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
> >>>> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
> >>> "As Chairwoman of the SAVE NY Task Force, the Assemblywoman traveled
> >>> throughout New York state to meet with various constituencies to
> >>> develop and improve ways to protect New York's women and children
> >>> from domestic abuse and sexual violence. The task force played an
> >>> integral role in raising awareness of these issues. A number of its
> >>> proposals, including civil confinement of sex offenders and stiffer
> >>> penalties under Megan's Law, were adopted as legislation."
>
> >>> So now we know why Jim doesn't like Assemblywoman Scozzafava.
>
> >>> If she'd just siphoned off tax-payers money to fatten Haliburton and
> >>> the oil companies, like certain members of the previous admistration,
> >>> Jim wouldn't find her in the least objectionable. but she's guilty of
> >>> violating the sanctity of the home and letting big government get
> >>> between a man and his family - democratic scumbaggery at its worst.
>
>
> > "Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the
> > need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And few
> > have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as well
> > positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it
> > comes."
>
> > So? Who wouldn't invest in things that they advocate?
>
> "Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in
> this country?" Mr. Gore responded. "I am proud of it. I am proud of it."
>
> Yeah, when the business is theft.
>
> Can you say, "corruption", boys and girls?
>
> Cheers!
>
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Ouroboros Rex
Prove it.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> flipper wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a
>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration"
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a job for
>>>> them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>
>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell
>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. lol
>>>
>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>
> Prove it.
Nuh-huh! The burden of proof is on the accuser, therefore it's your
responibility to prove that a crime was committed.
Good Luck!
Rich
Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
Prove it happened at all, you retarded piece of shit.
Beryl
What was thefted? Gore's been promoting a "green economy" for some time,
out loud. It hasn't been a secret. And he put his own money where his
mouth is.
> Can you say, "corruption", boys and girls?
"It was a wise bet for Gore and Co. Last week, the Dept. of Energy said
that $560 million of the $3.4 billion in smart grid grants it had
approved would go to utilities which have partnered with Silver Spring,
setting the company up for a major jackpot in coming years."
I guess you're saying the Dept. of Energy is corrupt.
Ouroboros Rex
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
> of proof is on you.
Tell it to the prosecutors.
>
> So tell us which law you imagine was broken and, while you're at it,
> explain the jurisdiction of US law in Israel because they're the ones
> who, through an intermediary, did the actual sale to what were thought
> to be Iranian 'moderates'.
Well darn, I was looking forward to your explaining away the eleven
convictions, but I guess you are not up to it.
Ouroboros Rex
Ah, you also think I am the accuser.
Eleven convictions requiring presidential pardon (lol), I rest my case.
=)
Bill Sloman
> Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get
> so worked up about United States politics?
Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where
I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
> Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to
> give the US advice might be funnier though.
Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system
- Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for
quality of health care, while spending a lot less money on health care
that does the US.
Since you presumably are a member of fortunate majority in the US who
gets health care as good as the French or the Germans (albeit at
nearly twice the price) you may well find this to be a comical idea.
47 million uninsured Americans are less amused.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
Site.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:53:04 +1000, David Eather <eat...@tpg.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
> >> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
>
> >> ...Jim Thompson
>
> >you are very lucky That I don't debate your version or "republicanism"
> >and expose it for what it is.
>
> "What it is"???
>
> What!
>
> Expose me as really being a _Libertarian_? Smoke what you want. Fuck
> what you want. "Marry" what you want. Get in my face and I'll shoot
> your ass.
>
> Expose me as a hater of crooked politicians who steal the sheep blind
> under the name of "hope and change" ?:-)
That would be Bush and Cheney. But Jim never seems to have noticed
that they were crooked.
> Expose me as being for balanced budgets and "transparency"?
And thus an enthusiast for Bill Clinton, who delivered both, and
unhappy with Bush and Cheney, who delivered massive budget deficits?
> Expose me as one who believes in kicking ass instead of kissing ass?
Actually, as one who believes in talking out of his ass.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
Cite?
Thanks,
Rich
Ouroboros Rex
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:22:46 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
> wrote:
>
>> flipper wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:11 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> flipper wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:33:30 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
>>>>> <i...@casual.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Chisolm wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a
>>>>>>>> position in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say,
>>>>>>>> "Administration" ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare.
>>>>>>> They will be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a
>>>>>>> job for them in the O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, sounds almost like Fox. You don't have to illegally sell
>>>>>> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran to work there, but it helps. lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The sale wasn't illegal.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, pal, but when you accuse someone of an illegal act the burden
>>> of proof is on you.
>>
>> Tell it to the prosecutors.
>
>
>
>>> So tell us which law you imagine was broken and, while you're at it,
>>> explain the jurisdiction of US law in Israel because they're the
>>> ones who, through an intermediary, did the actual sale to what were
>>> thought to be Iranian 'moderates'.
>>
>> Well darn, I was looking forward to your explaining away the eleven
>> convictions, but I guess you are not up to it.
>>
>
> anti-aircraft missiles to Iran," you willfully ignorant self made
> idiot liberal, but I repeat myself.
Repeat yourself all you want, serial liar. No cite = unsubstnatiated
bullshit.
Do you know what an embargo is?
Ouroboros Rex
How come I can do that in ten seconds, and you can't do that at all?
I do stand corrected, however - only six presidential pardons. =)
Ouroboros Rex
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:58:22 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
>
>> No cite = unsubstnatiated
>> bullshit.
>
>
>
>> Do you know what an embargo is?
>
So, again, nothing. yawn
Ouroboros Rex
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:03:53 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com>
Well that must be absolute proof it's 100% legal then! lol
How come rightards don't understand basic logic?
Greegor
> On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get
> > so worked up about United States politics?
>
> Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where
> I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
>
> > Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to
> > give the US advice might be funnier though.
>
> Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system
> - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for
> quality of health care,
Including heart surgery?
Liver transplants?
> while spending a lot less money on health care
> that does the US.
Rationed.
> Since you presumably are a member
> of fortunate majority in the US who
> gets health care as good as the French
> or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice
> the price) you may well find this to be
> a comical idea. 47 million uninsured
> Americans are less amused.
Nope. Uninsured.
You presumed that an aching want/need would
justify moral weakness and defy mathematic logic.
There is an aspect of selling socialism that
seems very much like a con game.
Did you know that the crest/seal for
the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists)
is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
You thought none of the potential beneficiaries
would be smart enough to realize it's a wolf?
Michael A. Terrell
Ouroboros Rex wrote:
>
> Repeat yourself all you want, serial liar. No cite = unsubstnatiated
> bullshit.
Where are your cites to prove that you're right?
> Do you know what an embargo is?
On usenet we call them kill filters.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Greegor
So tell us about your Australian Politics.
How's that immigration reform thing going there?
Did you see the Movie Rabbit Proof Fence?
How are you treating the Abo people now?
Any PROBLEMS there in Australia?
Where do YOUR PERSONAL POLITICAL
views fall on the spectrum of political
views in Australia lately?
You were anxious to get out and go
to Belgium, weren't you?
Why not Venezuela or Cuba?
Do the people in Belgium like having a foreign
national poke his big nose into THEIR politics?
You could have tried lecturing them!
That always goes well in Cuba and Venezuela! (LOL)
How did that go for you in Australia?
Did your own Australia call you a NUT
and ask you to take a giant walkabout?
You probably hate patriotic Australians, too, don't you?
I've got bad news for you though.
Our US kook left has blown it so bad that even
the mainstream left can't stand them anymore!
The raging kook left here is making itself look like you.
The idealism of the kook left has choked
on the reality of it's own self serving corruption.
The US flu shot debacle speaks VOLUMES
for government health care! LOL
First there was a lot of embarassing outcry
against vaccination FORCED by government.
A bunch of DOCTORS refused to vaccinate
their own kids, and medical personnel had
to be THREATENED into vaccination.
Then it turns out there is no way for the vaccine
SUPPLY to be here in time anyway!
The idea of the state as our PARENT has
fallen flat on it's face.
Pointing at politicians your ilk want to villify
and calling them crooks might work better
if there weren't so many crooks and idiots
in BOTH major parties here.
The phrase "constitutional conservative" has
become more popular recently.
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 7:26 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> On Nov 5, 12:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>
> >>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
> >>> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
> >> throughout New York state to meet with various constituencies to
> >> develop and improve ways to protect New York’s women and children from
> >> domestic abuse and sexual violence. The task force played an integral
> >> role in raising awareness of these issues. A number of its proposals,
> >> including civil confinement of sex offenders and stiffer penalties
> >> under Megan’s Law, were adopted as legislation."
>
> >> So now we know why Jim doesn't like Assemblywoman Scozzafava.
>
> >> If she'd just siphoned off tax-payers money to fatten Haliburton and
> >> the oil companies, like certain members of the previous admistration,
> >> Jim wouldn't find her in the least objectionable. but she's guilty of
> >> violating the sanctity of the home and letting big government get
> >> between a man and his family - democratic scumbaggery at its worst.
>
> >> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
>
> >http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/03/al-gore-the-worlds-first-carbo...
>
> "Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and
> the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And
> few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as
> well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it
> comes."
>
> So? Who wouldn't invest in things that they advocate?
Mr. Gore's accused the oil companies of being vile and corrupt for
doing the same thing; that's the hypocracy. Except it actually wasn't
the same--they were investing their own hard-earned in their own
businesses.
Mr. Gore, by contrast, didn't make anything, didn't produce any break-
through idea or product. He used his political powers while in office
to create the policies from which he benefited. And no, t'wasn't with
his own money. He's not that clever. He got big chunks of Google and
Apple(?) just for being Al, for starters.
Big Al gave us ethanol, and ethanol subsidies. Very destructive, of
wealth and environment. Wonder how much he made off that?
So no, we don't begrudge him his diamond footprints, but spare us the
sermons, eh?
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
On Nov 4, 8:52 pm, Joe Chisolm <jchiso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:48:08 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> > Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
> > in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
>
> > ...Jim Thompson
>
> Expect the same for some blue dogs if they vote for ObamaCare. They will
> be assured if they get sacked in 2010 there will be a job for them in the
> O-Mob. Your tax dollars at work....
I spent yesterday on Capitol Hill, twisting a blue dog's tail. Very
decent guy, just mistaken on a particular point of fact. Which I
corrected.
It turns out that they're literally Representatives, that they
represent (advocate) positions, but have to rely on others' opinions
as to the facts. Which, if you think about it, they couldn't possibly
know everything about all they stuff they're covering. You know, like
running car companies.
And the guys who write the laws? None looked old enough to shave--22,
24. A few looked like high schoolers. Maybe those were interns
(let's hope).
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
>
> Ah, you also think I am the accuser.
Your capacity for properly comprehending what you read rests below nil.
In other words, you're a goddamned total twit.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
And the cites you post make your total bullshit "substantiated"?
You really ARE clueless, you retarded little adolescent brained
bastard.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
> How come rightards don't understand basic logic?
>
You fucking do not understand ANY logic, so you are hardly in a
position to describe a logic level, much less anyone else's comprehension
of logic.
Your "common sense" amounts to you knowing which way to hold the toilet
paper when you wipe... nothing more.
Beryl
> On Nov 5, 12:28 am, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 7:26 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 5, 12:48 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
>>>> Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>>>> Fox News is reporting that Dede Scozzafava has been offered a position
>>>>> in the Obama Mob (ooops, I meant to say, "Administration" ;-)
>>>> "As Chairwoman of the SAVE NY Task Force, the Assemblywoman traveled
>>>> throughout New York state to meet with various constituencies to
>>>> domestic abuse and sexual violence. The task force played an integral
>>>> role in raising awareness of these issues. A number of its proposals,
>>>> including civil confinement of sex offenders and stiffer penalties
>>>> So now we know why Jim doesn't like Assemblywoman Scozzafava.
>>>> If she'd just siphoned off tax-payers money to fatten Haliburton and
>>>> the oil companies, like certain members of the previous admistration,
>>>> Jim wouldn't find her in the least objectionable. but she's guilty of
>>>> violating the sanctity of the home and letting big government get
>>>> between a man and his family - democratic scumbaggery at its worst.
>>>> --
>>>> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
>>> http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/03/al-gore-the-worlds-first-carbo...
>> "Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and
>> the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And
>> few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as
>> well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it
>> comes."
>>
>> So? Who wouldn't invest in things that they advocate?
>
> Mr. Gore's accused the oil companies of being vile and corrupt for
> doing the same thing; that's the hypocracy. Except it actually wasn't
> the same--they were investing their own hard-earned in their own
> businesses.
No, it actually wasn't the same. Big Oil were furiously sucking the
riches out of poorer countries.
> Mr. Gore, by contrast, didn't make anything, didn't produce any break-
> through idea or product. He used his political powers while in office
> to create the policies from which he benefited.
Gore hasn't been in office for a looong time, you goof. The "world's
first carbon billionaire" article you cited is dated Nov 3rd 2009. What
happened during the 8-year-long Bush ordeal?
> And no, t'wasn't with his own money. He's not that clever. He got big chunks of Google and
> Apple(?) just for being Al, for starters.
But he is that clever. We wouldn't be here on this computer internetwork
today if he wasn't.
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
Exactly.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Beryl
> On Nov 6, 12:01 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get
>>> so worked up about United States politics?
>> Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where
>> I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
>>
>>> give the US advice might be funnier though.
>> Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system
>> - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for
>> quality of health care,
>
> Including heart surgery?
> Liver transplants?
>
>> while spending a lot less money on health care
>> that does the US.
>
> Rationed.
>
>> Since you presumably are a member
>> of fortunate majority in the US who
>> gets health care as good as the French
>> or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice
>> the price) you may well find this to be
>> a comical idea. 47 million uninsured
>> Americans are less amused.
>
> Nope. Uninsured.
>
> You presumed that an aching want/need would
> justify moral weakness and defy mathematic logic.
>
> There is an aspect of selling socialism that
> seems very much like a con game.
>
> Did you know that the crest/seal for
> the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists)
> is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
Where's that? Their own Website has no such seal.
http://www.fabians.org.uk/
I figured, for sure, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society would
show it, but no.
> You thought none of the potential beneficiaries
> would be smart enough to realize it's a wolf?
Potentials would be looking here
http://www.fabians.org.uk/join-the-fabian-society
No wolf clothed as sheep.
Beryl
Bill Sloman
> BS > Actually, as one who believes in talking out of his ass.
>
> So tell us about your Australian Politics.
> How's that immigration reform thing going there?
Could be better.
> Did you see the Movie Rabbit Proof Fence?
No, but I know about it. It doesn't refelct much credit on past
Australian attittudes.
> How are you treating the Abo people now?
Better, but nowhere near well enough. My youngest brother is a general
practitioner who concentrates on aborginal patients. and is well aware
of their social and medical disadvantages.
> Any PROBLEMS there in Australia?
Plenty, but Australian aboriginals don't do noticeably worse than
Native Americans
> Where do YOUR PERSONAL POLITICAL
> views fall on the spectrum of political
> views in Australia lately?
I support the Labor Party rather than the Liberals or the Country
Party.
> You were anxious to get out and go
> to Belgium, weren't you?
Far from it. Most Australians who get a Ph.D. spend a few years
overseas as a post-doc. I stayed in England a little longer than I
expected - 21 years rather than two - and ended up moving to the
Netherlands when my wife was offered an interesting (and very well
paid)job there. We've been spending three months of the year in
Australia for the past few years, and in a couple of years we will
settle down in Sydney.
> Why not Venezuela or Cuba?
>
> Do the people in Belgium like having a foreign
> national poke his big nose into THEIR politics?
I wouldn't know about Belgium. since their politics have minimal
effect on the Netherlands or Australia, I'm not all that interested -
though Filip de Winter is a nasty piece of work, with at least one
Dutch imitator - Geert Wilders, who is yet doing as much damage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filip_Dewinter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders
> You could have tried lecturing them!
> That always goes well in Cuba and Venezuela! (LOL)
>
> How did that go for you in Australia?
>
> Did your own Australia call you a NUT
> and ask you to take a giant walkabout?
No. My family and friends have similar political views.
> You probably hate patriotic Australians, too, don't you?
No. One of my great-uncles (my mother's father's brother) fought at
Gallipoli, was wounded and died on Lemnos
http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/roll_of_honour/person.asp?p=513111
Nobody in the family has since been dumb enough to get themselves
shot, but my mother's brother served outside Australi as a medical
doctor in WW2 and ended up with the rank of Major. We're patriotic
enough.
> I've got bad news for you though.
> Our US kook left has blown it so bad that even
> the mainstream left can't stand them anymore!
Dream on.
> The raging kook left here is making itself look like you.
>
> The idealism of the kook left has choked
> on the reality of it's own self serving corruption.
I think you are projecting here. The previous Repulbican
administration did set a new low in self-serving corruption, and the
current Democratic administration really doesn't seem likely to be
able to emulate them. Obama's trick of getting most of his election
funding from small contributors means that bribing his supporters
involves giving them comprehensive and affordable health care, which
is the very opposite of corruption.
> The US flu shot debacle speaks VOLUMES
> for government health care! LOL
How?
> First there was a lot of embarassing outcry
> against vaccination FORCED by government.
The usual right-wing enthusiasm for promoting the advantege of the
individual - who doesn't want to run the samll risk of a negative side-
effect of vaccination - over the advantage of society, which needs a
substantial majority vaccinated to prevent an epidemic running away.
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/2/
> A bunch of DOCTORS refused to vaccinate
> their own kids, and medical personnel had
> to be THREATENED into vaccination.
The world is full of self-interested nitwits.
> Then it turns out there is no way for the vaccine
> SUPPLY to be here in time anyway!
No enough to prevent an epidmeic, but enough to protect the more
vulnerable, if they have enough sense to ignore the nitwit propaganda.
> The idea of the state as our PARENT has
> fallen flat on it's face.
It was always a pretty stupid concept.
> Pointing at politicians your ilk want to villify
> and calling them crooks might work better
> if there weren't so many crooks and idiots
> in BOTH major parties here.
>
> The phrase "constitutional conservative" has
> become more popular recently.
Meaning ignorant idiot?
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Bill Sloman
> On Nov 6, 12:01 pm,Bill Sloman<bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get
> > > so worked up about United States politics?
>
> > Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where
> > I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
>
> > > Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez attempting to
> > > give the US advice might be funnier though.
>
> > Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system
> > - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for
> > quality of health care,
>
> Including heart surgery?
Apparently - a couple their leading specialists went to Brazil as
teachers in 1986.
> Liver transplants?
Don't know. Liver transplants are luxury operations, and they might
not bother.
> > while spending a lot less money on health care
> > that does the US.
>
> Rationed.
No more so than in the US.
> > Since you presumably are a member
> > of fortunate majority in the US who
> > gets health care as good as the French
> > or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice
> > the price) you may well find this to be
> > a comical idea. 47 million uninsured
> > Americans are less amused.
>
> Nope. Uninsured.
Then you really should be rooting for Obama and his medical reforms.
> You presumed that an aching want/need would
> justify moral weakness and defy mathematic logic.
The moral weakness that lets the US deny medical care to people who
aren't rich enough to be insured requires some justification. There no
mathematical logic that would let you campaign for a less-than-
comprehensive system that costs half again more than comprehensive
systems in the French and German style which offer equally good care.
> There is an aspect of selling socialism that
> seems very much like a con game.
The German medical system was invented by Bismark to undercut his
socialist political opponents. Describing it as "socialist" - by which
you mean "communist", having been misled by a century of right-wing
political propaganda - betrys just how little you know about the
subject, and how thoroughly you have been suckered by the US medical
insurance industry which sells a grossly over-priced product and wants
to hang onto its rapacious profit margins.
> Did you know that the crest/seal for
> the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists)
> is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
It isn't, and the whole idea that "socialism" is a bad thing is a
fable propagated by rich capitalists who are too stupid to realise
that investing a little more of their profits in the health and
education of their workers would pay off handsomely in higher worker
productivity and bigger sales to more prosperous consumers.
Russian communism was never socialism. Western European socialism
works a lot better than communism ever did, and seems to be doing
pretty well in comparison with US capitalism, which has been running a
huge balance of payments deficit for decades now.
> You thought none of the potential beneficiaries
> would be smart enough to realize it's a wolf?
You have been suckered for years by the wolves who rip you off with
over-priced and less than comprehensive medical care, and now you want
to try and tell us that your potential rescuers are actually the
wolves in sheep's clothing.
This is post-graduate gullibility.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 11:11 pm, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
> >> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >>> And no, t'wasn't with his own money. He's not that clever. He
> >>> got big chunks of Google and Apple(?) just for being Al, for
> >>> starters.
>
> >> But he is that clever. We wouldn't be here on this computer
> >> internetwork today if he wasn't.
>
> > Exactly.
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-05-04-gore-webby_x.htm
He's a 'D' student who moralizes about conservation while using 18-odd
megawatt-hours of electricity a month at just one of his several
houses. I use 0.9% of that.
By his own standards he's a carbon criminal, a Pol Pot of
carbonation. And that's just his personal excess, not counting the
devastating effects of the policies he's cursed the planet with, and
profited from.
Have you read his books? He's dim.
But I am glad he invented Velcro, hammers, running water, and
perpetual energy. Where would we be without those?
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Greegor
> Greegor wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 12:01 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> On Nov 5, 9:28 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Why does Sloman from Nijmegen Netherlands get
> >>> so worked up about United States politics?
> >> Because US politics has direct effects on both the Netherlands - where
> >> I live - and Australia - where I am a citizen.
>
> >>> give the US advice might be funnier though.
> >> Fidel could tell you a better way to organise you public health system
> >> - Cuba scores about as well as the US on statistical indicators for
> >> quality of health care,
G > Including heart surgery?
G > Liver transplants?
> >> while spending a lot less money on health care
> >> that does the US.
G > Rationed.
> >> Since you presumably are a member
> >> of fortunate majority in the US who
> >> gets health care as good as the French
> >> or the Germans (albeit at nearly twice
> >> the price) you may well find this to be
> >> a comical idea. 47 million uninsured
> >> Americans are less amused.
G > Nope. Uninsured.
G > You presumed that an aching want/need would
G > justify moral weakness and defy mathematic logic.
G >
G > There is an aspect of selling socialism that
G > seems very much like a con game.
G >
G > Did you know that the crest/seal for
G > the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists)
G > is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
Beryl > Where's that? Their own Website has no such seal.
And you just CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY??
> I figured, for sure,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
> would show it, but no.
G > You thought none of the potential beneficiaries
G > would be smart enough to realize it's a wolf?
> Potentials would be looking here
http://www.fabians.org.uk/join-the-fabian-society
> No wolf clothed as sheep.
And that amazes you??
Do you often have trouble using Google?
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=fabian+society&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
The shield/crest is even incorporated into this
stained glass relic of the group.
Notice the worldwide intent, and the slogan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/magazine_enl_1146138585/img/1.jpg
Easier to read in a B/W line art form.
http://www.awakeandarise.org/ImageArchive/FabianWindow.gif
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KgBT8kIRgBo/RlUdlyc5JII/AAAAAAAAAtg/o7z2pPsX3Ak/s320/Fabian+Wolf.jpg
http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens2029343_1213375732fabian.jpg
http://www.freedom-force.org/pics/FabianCrest.gif
http://www.believeallthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fabian-society-crest-thumb.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/i/fabiansocietycsmay05bdv0.jpg/
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1604/fabiansocietycsmay05bdv0.jpg
http://www.believeallthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fabian-society-crest.jpg
http://bkmarcus.com/blog/images/flags/FabianShield.gif
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/fabian-wolf.jpg
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w15.html
The Fabian Tortoise - 1950's logo without implications founders logo
displayed
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ty2LuNyychc/SnGf6S5JAtI/AAAAAAAABb8/MmrjVyP8-sM/s400/Fabian_tortoise.gif
Greegor
You didn't answer about why you didn't move
to Cuba or Venezuela to give them your
special brand of ""education"".
You seem very interested in giving
opinions to other people, even people
in OTHER COUNTRIES about how
they should run their affairs.
The ""Stand Up Philosopher"" at unemployment office
Beryl
> On Nov 6, 11:57 pm, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Nov 6, 11:11 pm, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>>>> dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> And no, t'wasn't with his own money. He's not that clever. He
>>>>> got big chunks of Google and Apple(?) just for being Al, for
>>>>> starters.
>>>> But he is that clever. We wouldn't be here on this computer
>>>> internetwork today if he wasn't.
>>> Exactly.
>> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-05-04-gore-webby_x.htm
>
> He's a 'D' student who moralizes about conservation while using 18-odd
> megawatt-hours of electricity a month at just one of his several
> houses. I use 0.9% of that.
... and an unbiased review
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp
The Tennessean also noted that the Gores had been paying a $432 per
month premium on their monthly electricity bills in order to obtain some
of their electricity from "green" sources (i.e., solar or other
renewable energy sources).
Al Gore, who was criticized for high electric bills at his Tennessee
mansion, has completed a host of improvements to make the home more
energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as
one of the nation's most environmentally friendly.
"Short of tearing it down and staring anew, I don't know how it could
have been rated any higher," said Kim Shinn of the U.S. Green Building
Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable
design.
Beryl
> G > Did you know that the crest/seal for
> G > the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists)
> G > is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
>
> Beryl > Where's that? Their own Website has no such seal.
>
> http://www.fabians.org.uk/
>
> And you just CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY??
Apparently it's long abandoned.
> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=fabian+society&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
>
> The shield/crest is even incorporated into this
> stained glass relic of the group.
And the key word must be /relic/
The group... was named... in honour of the Roman general Quintus Fabius
Maximus (nicknamed "Cunctator", meaning "the Delayer"). His Fabian
strategy advocated tactics of harassment and attrition rather than
head-on battles against the Carthaginian army under the renowned general
Hannibal Barca.
> Notice the worldwide intent, and the slogan.
Yeah, yeah. I just thought the artwork might be kind of cool, a keeper.
Not quite.
Greegor
> Greegor wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 10:36 pm, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
> >> Greegor wrote:
> > G > Did you know that the crest/seal for
> > G > the Fabian Society (Gradual Socialists)
> > G > is the wolf in sheeps clothing?
>
> > Beryl > Where's that? Their own Website has no such seal.
>
> >http://www.fabians.org.uk/
>
> > And you just CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY??
>
> Apparently it's long abandoned.
>
>
> > The shield/crest is even incorporated into this
> > stained glass relic of the group.
>
> And the key word must be /relic/
>
> The group... was named... in honour of the Roman general Quintus Fabius
> Maximus (nicknamed "Cunctator", meaning "the Delayer"). His Fabian
> strategy advocated tactics of harassment and attrition rather than
> head-on battles against the Carthaginian army under the renowned general
> Hannibal Barca.
>
> > Notice the worldwide intent, and the slogan.
>
> Yeah, yeah. I just thought the artwork might be kind of cool, a keeper.
> Not quite.
Gradual Socialism. Ring any bells lately?
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
You're substituting others' opinions for your own thinking.
I don't need a journalist's analysis to rationalize to me that Mr.
Gore absolutely requires 100x more electricity than I, for just one of
his several houses. Even after his "upgrades", he's still using 80x
more.
The problem is not his house (though it is a beast), it's how he uses
it.
He leaves all the lights on, the air conditioning up, heats a pool in
the winter (with gas, which doesn't even show on his electrical bill),
and even had a gaslamp in his front yard (horridly inefficient; a
single gaslamp uses nearly as much as my entire consumption).
He's a complete, utter slob. And he doesn't want to inconvenience
himself with conservation; he wants us to do that, while he continues
to preach it, yet live the way he lives: wastefully.
The article notes that he, the green maven, contrite after being
criticized (or, should we say "caught?), switched to compact
fluorescent lights. Why wasn't Mr. Cutting-Edge Book-Writing
Concerned-for-the-Environment Expert using them in the first place?
Surely he knew better. Is he an idiot, or a phony? I've been using
CFLs for 15 years and I'm not a profiteer of doom, warning everyone
about carbon. More importantly, I don't use them very much, saving
even more.
The only thing "green" about Gore's lifestyle is where he recycles
Bastiat's broken window fallacy in the form of carbon credits, selling
the idea that he can make up for living wastefully by paying someone
else to live sensibly, and that the result somehow reduces total
carbon use. It doesn't, it increases carbon emissions. But Gore's
made a bundle selling it.
The only carbon saved is the carbon he would've needed to invent a new
fallacy of his own. Which, admittedly, being manure-powered, might've
been considerable.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Bill Sloman
> Sloman, Do you consider yourself a socialist?
A middle of the road Europena socialist - I voted for the Labour Party
in the UK and - when I get the chance - I vote for de Partei van de
Arbeit in the Netherlands, which is pretty much teh same thing. I
don't vote for the Dutch Socialist Partei, which is apreciably furhter
to the left.
> You didn't answer about why you didn't move
> to Cuba or Venezuela to give them your
> special brand of ""education"".
Family circumstances would make it impractical, and they don't seem to
need my help to understand what socialism is about.
> You seem very interested in giving
> opinions to other people, even people
> in OTHER COUNTRIES about how
> they should run their affairs.
I send up irrational nonsense when it comes up on this user group,
which happens to be international. If you post to an international
group, you do tend to encounter people from other countries.
Since the US has a considerable influence on the way things are done
in the Netheralnds and Australia, I'm interested in in the opinions
inside the US that inform and direct their foreign policy.
> The ""Stand Up Philosopher"" at unemployment office
Your self-portrait? If you are employed, it doesn't seem to be in
electronics.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Ouroboros Rex
> Ouroboros Rex wrote:
>>
>> Repeat yourself all you want, serial liar. No cite =
>> unsubstnatiated bullshit.
>
>
> Where are your cites to prove that you're right?
Just google Iran Contra Eleven Convictions
(derrrrrrrrrrrr.............)
Ouroboros Rex
As usual, the moron has nothing.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
I've got nine inches more 'nothing' than a pussy like you has.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahaha!