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Jamie  
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 More options Oct 5 2012, 7:00 pm
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.schematics.electronic, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.basics
From: Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net>
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:14:25 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 5 2012 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: AC Cap Dropper DC Power Supply

John Fields wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:14:50 -0700, John Larkin
> <jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>>On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:40:04 -0500, John Fields
>><jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:

>>>On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:55:09 -0700, John Larkin
>>><jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>>>>On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:39:58 -0500, John Fields
>>>><jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:

>>>>>On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:08:51 -0700, John Larkin
>>>>><jlar...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>>>>>>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:03:56 -0500, John Fields
>>>>>><jfie...@austininstruments.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 08:34:46 -0700, John Larkin
>>>>>>><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>On 1 Oct 2012 06:00:24 GMT, Jasen Betts <ja...@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>On 2012-09-30, John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>The series current-limiting cap dissipates no power,

>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>Not quite true, since no dielectric is lossless.
>>>>>>>---

>>>>>>>>>>so it can be shorted by a low voltage switch.

>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>It can be but, depending on when in the cycle the switch turns on,
>>>>>>>things might get grim.
>>>>>>>---

>>>>>>>>>>If it drives, say, the input of a
>>>>>>>>>>bridge rectifier or a 2-diode restore thing, short the input of that.

>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>Still, depending on when in the cycle the switch turns on, things
>>>>>>>might get grim.

>>>>>>Bad engineering can create grim outcomes. Better to not do that.

>>>>>>>---

>>>>>>>>>>It becomes a bang-bang regulator. If the controller is to be a custom
>>>>>>>>>>IC, a modest amount of complexity is free, so some intelligent
>>>>>>>>>>zero-crossing thing would be appropriate. But just dumb bang-bang
>>>>>>>>>>ought to work.

>>>>>>>---

>>>>>>>From the ridiculous to the sublime to the ridiculous!

>>>>>>>---

>>>>>>>>>>This is one variation:

>>>>>>>>>>https://dl.dropbox.com/u/53724080/Circuits/C-drop_regulator.jpg

>>>>>>>>>inrush current will destroy it.

>>>>>>>>As I mentioned, and you snipped, people often include a series
>>>>>>>>resistor to limit transient currents.

>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>And yet your circuit shows that some people - who should know better -
>>>>>>>don't.

>>>>>>Idiot whining again. That's pretty much your skill set.

>>>>>---
>>>>>I'm the idiot???

>>>>>You claim that people often include a series resistor to limit
>>>>>transient currents and yet, the circuit you show - which seems to be
>>>>>susceptible to damage from transients - doesn't include the resistor
>>>>>you claim should be there.

>>>>I said in plain English that a series resistor might be appropriate.
>>>>In some cases, like a clean low-voltage AC source, it might not be
>>>>needed. I've done lots of voltage-doubler type supplies with no series
>>>>R.

>>>---
>>>In this instance, since you identified the input as "AC LINE" and the
>>>thread is about mains driven current limited supplies, your
>>>low-voltage driven doublers are irrelevant.

>>>Also, the cleanliness of the source has very little to do with what
>>>will happen when the mains gets switched into the load at different
>>>angles.

>>All you do is whine.

>>Hey, the Blue Angels are buzzing the building. I'm headed for the
>>roof.

> ---
> All you do is run.

  Could also be signs of boredism?

Jamie


 
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