More Media Lies

[Jim Thompson]

More Media Lies

The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
pistols...

http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv

...Jim Thompson
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[Syd Rumpo]

On 15/12/2012 19:56, Jim Thompson wrote:
> More Media Lies
>
> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> pistols...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
> ...Jim Thompson
>

Well, that's very comforting, thanks.

--
Syd

[RosemontCrest]

On 12/15/2012 11:56 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> More Media Lies
>
> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> pistols...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
> ...Jim Thompson
>

Educate yourself. A pistol is a semi-automatic handgun, not to be
confused with a revolver.

[Jim Thompson]

Educate your own self.

Modern handguns AND old-fashioned revolvers fire exactly one round for
every squeeze of the trigger.

That's the media's definition of "semi-automatic"... in their vain
attempt to equate all guns to the same as an AR15... which also fires
exactly one round for every squeeze of the trigger.

The media relies on bird-brains who equate shoot-em-up chase-scene
movies with reality.

Are you one of those? If so, I've got one "squeeze" for you >:-}

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:12:47 +0000, Syd Rumpo <use...@nononono.co.uk>
wrote:

The Second Amendment to the Constitution was put there to allow the
public to protect themselves from a tyrannical government.

We now have a tyrannical government. That's why gun sales are at an
all-time high.

Are you comforted yet?

Ah, yes! I see that you are a UK'ey. How's the crime rate in London?
Or Liverpool? Or Manchester?

Compare to Arizona, where we're heavily armed.

[RosemontCrest]

On 12/15/2012 12:41 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:20:08 -0800, RosemontCrest
> <rosemo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/15/2012 11:56 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> More Media Lies
>>>
>>> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>>> pistols...
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>
>> Educate yourself. A pistol is a semi-automatic handgun, not to be
>> confused with a revolver.
>
> Educate your own self.
>
> Modern handguns AND old-fashioned revolvers fire exactly one round for
> every squeeze of the trigger.

What in the world does that have to do with your assertion that media
lies by calling the weapons used "semi-automatic?" The weapons used are
indeed semi-automatic as defined by the BATFE.

> That's the media's definition of "semi-automatic"...in their vain

[Peter]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:56:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>More Media Lies
>
>The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>pistols...
>
>http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
> ...Jim Thompson

The media certainly has a responsibility for accuracy, but here the
real problem to be addressed is the unnecessary widespread
availability of guns to people who not only do not have a need, but
rely on the 'right to bear arms'. Rights also have responsibilities,
and the government should seriously get on and properly restrict
access to firearms. Semiautomatic are obviously a potential problem,
but even single shot are highly dangerous.

Peter

[TTman]

"Peter" <pe...@arin.htlm.com> wrote in message
news:qnopc8t93blhs5o96...@4ax.com...

All guns are deadly in the hands of a maniac so who cares if they are
auto/semi/single shot ?
get a life you lot and think of the deceased :(

[Les Cargill]

Peter wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:56:43 -0700, Jim Thompson
> <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>> More Media Lies
>>
>> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>> pistols...
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
> The media certainly has a responsibility for accuracy, but here the
> real problem to be addressed is the unnecessary widespread
> availability of guns to people who not only do not have a need, but
> rely on the 'right to bear arms'. Rights also have responsibilities,
> and the government should seriously get on and properly restrict
> access to firearms.

Define "properly". Even define a proper trade-space for any
given regulation. Factor in that people can move guns across state
lines.

If you can do it, you'd be the first.

> Semiautomatic are obviously a potential problem,
> but even single shot are highly dangerous.
>
> Peter
>

--
Les Cargil

[tuinkabouter]

On 12/15/2012 8:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> More Media Lies
>
> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> pistols...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv

Is this important?

In the US on average three kids are killed every day by firearms.
What would you do about that?

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:54:34 -0800, RosemontCrest

Revolvers also fit the definition...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm

But "semi-automatic" is a scare word to intimidate the ignorant.

[hamilton]

On 12/15/2012 1:41 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> Are you one of those? If so, I've got one "squeeze" for you >:-}
>
> ...Jim Thompson
>

The Mental health people say that people with mental issues will fester
with grudges that will one day snap.

And some of those people buy weapons waiting for the right time to snap.

Does that sound like some one we know ??

h

[hamilton]

He wants to join in on the fun.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:07:40 -0000, "TTman" <pcw1...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

What pistol is NOT "semi-automatic", except perhaps a single-barrel
Derringer?

Almost all of these nut case crimes happened because "medical privacy"
rules prevent disclosure that would have prevented qualification to
buy a weapon.

And look at the Fort Hood case... Hasan was outwardly hostile against
"infidels", but the record was suppressed because of FEAR of
infringing the civil rights of some Islamic nutcase. Now the trial
is delayed while he appeals to keep his beard. Shoot the @#$%^& and
get it over with.

[Jim Thompson]

So? Ninety people die every day in an automobile accident... many of
them children. I say require a thorough test, perhaps like Formula-V
qualification, before you can buy a car; and require a 5-point harness
for the driver and all passengers >:-}

[RosemontCrest]

What does that have to do with your erroneous assertion that media lies

by calling the weapons used "semi-automatic?" The weapons used are

indeed semi-automatic.

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:42:58 -0700, hamilton <hami...@nothere.com>
wrote:

>
>Does that sound like

Sounds like yer an idiot, child.

[hamilton]

And your still a liar.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:00:42 -0800, RosemontCrest

Only BATF calls them "semi-automatic"... the general public doesn't.

[RosemontCrest]

You just contradicted yourself. Media accurately refers to the weapons
used as "semi-automatic," as do many more within the general public than
you may believe.

By the way, a revolver is not a semi-automatic weapon. Try reading again
with the goal of comprehension the Wiki article that you cited.

[Bill Sloman]

On 16 Dec, 08:56, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:28:01 +0100, tuinkabouter
>

> <dachthetn...@net.invalid> wrote:
> >On 12/15/2012 8:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> More Media Lies
>
> >> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> >> pistols...
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
> >Is this important?
>
> >In the US on average three kids are killed every day by firearms.
> >What would you do about that?
>
> So?  Ninety people die every day in an automobile accident... many of
> them children.

But cars are useful. Pretty much every other advanced industrial
country gets by with much tighter restrictions on gun ownership, and
benefits from much lower rates of gun homicide.
About all the US actually earns with it's silly ideas about the right
to bear arms is a lot more gun murders.

> I say require a thorough test, perhaps like Formula-V
> qualification, before you can buy a car; and require a 5-point harness
> for the driver and all passengers >:-}

Sounds like a good idea, but even less politically feasible than
effective gun-control in the US.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Michael A. Terrell]

YOU.

[Michael A. Terrell]

tuinkabouter wrote:
>
> On 12/15/2012 8:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> > More Media Lies
> >
> > The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> > pistols...
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
> Is this important?
>
> In the US on average three kids are killed every day by firearms.

BULLSHIT ! Unless 'kids' are age zero to 25.

> What would you do about that?

Keep you away from guns & schools.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:28:01 +0100, tuinkabouter
> <dachth...@net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 12/15/2012 8:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> More Media Lies
> >>
> >> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> >> pistols...
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
> >
> >Is this important?
> >
> >In the US on average three kids are killed every day by firearms.
> >What would you do about that?
> >
>
> So? Ninety people die every day in an automobile accident... many of
> them children. I say require a thorough test, perhaps like Formula-V
> qualification, before you can buy a car; and require a 5-point harness
> for the driver and all passengers >:-}

They also need to do away with all swimming pools, bicycles, forks,
knives, gasoline, people with a sub-normal IQ and liberals.

[Charles]

I do not quite get the car analogy. Only a few nuts use cars to
indiscriminately kill other humans. Lots of nuts use guns to do that.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> But "semi-automatic" is a scare word to intimidate the ignorant.

They are scared of daylight, like any other cockroach.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Charles wrote:
>
> I do not quite get the car analogy. Only a few nuts use cars to
> indiscriminately kill other humans. Lots of nuts use guns to do that.

What are you blathering about?

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 15, 7:39 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Don't forget hospitals--they kill (iatrogenic) roughly 100k a year.
Didn't that guy use a car too? That shouldn't be allowed, either.

It doesn't help that the media's making the dead guy a big celebrity /
anti-hero. That's why they do it. The media encourages these things,
more than anything else.

James Arthur

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 15, 7:38 pm, "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I do not quite get the car analogy.  Only a few nuts use cars to
> indiscriminately kill other humans.  Lots of nuts use guns to do that.

If he didn't have a car, he couldn't have done all the things he did.

James Arthur

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 15, 3:47 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:12:47 +0000, Syd Rumpo <use...@nononono.co.uk>
> wrote:

>
> >On 15/12/2012 19:56, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> More Media Lies
>
> >> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> >> pistols...
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
>

> >Well, that's very comforting, thanks.
>
> The Second Amendment to the Constitution was put there to allow the
> public to protect themselves from a tyrannical government.

Yep. In my area, citizens successfully defending themselves make the
news fairly often. Nobody seems to count those.

The greater problem is societal--fully-armed Switzerland doesn't seem
to have any problems.

NIH (Nat'l Institute of Health) explains homicides thusly:
"Sociologists feel that the increase of gangs, teenage homicide,
teenage suicide, teenage pregnancy, school drop-out, and other
problems are a reflection of a rapidly changing society and family
structure."

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001915.htm

--
James Arthur

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:27:41 -0800, RosemontCrest

The general public doesn't have a clue, that's our problem.

[Jim Thompson]

He's ignorant. Shun him.

[Jim Thompson]

A "twinky" leftist made up that statistic, so it must be true ;-)

[RosemontCrest]

Evidently, you don't have a clue. That's your problem. ;-)

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:25:10 -0600, flipper <fli...@fish.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:51:23 -0700, Jim Thompson

>Flintlock pistols, non-rotating multi-barrel pistols, pepperbox
>revolvers, harmonica pistols, and cartridge equivalents.
>
>I'm afraid you're just wrong here, Jim. A "pistol" has the chamber
>integral with the barrel, which was the 'original' means of making a
>handgun, and the 'revolver', where the chambers rotate behind a fixed
>barrel, was the departure.
>
>Semi-automatic means the mechanism itself, independent of human
>action, cycles the next round and prepares the weapon for the next
>shot (cocking) rather than it being done by manual means, such as in a
>"single action" revolver where the trigger does 'one (single) thing',
>drop the hammer, and manually cocking rotates the cylinder, or a
>"double action" revolver where the cock and cylinder actions are
>combined into the trigger. The latter takes a longer, using more
>force, trigger pull.
>
>A semi-automatic has the light trigger pull of the single action and
>the auto loading makes it (allegedly) 'faster' than manual, although
>I've seen experts who could fire a double action faster than a
>semi-auto, AND on target. (and also speed load as fast as a clip ).
>
>Most people, you included it would seem, probably presume a 'pistol'
>is necessarily a semi-automatic (assuming they know a 'pistol' is not
>a revolver and vice versa), since that's what it most likely would be
>these days, but "semi-automatic pistol" is the correct term. (fully
>automatic would be a "machine pistol").
>
>On top of that, your link is a poor example of the 'hysteria' claim
>because I couldn't find anything but "handgun" (and unspecified
>'rifle') mentioned in it.
>
>'Media hype' is more generally the hysterical use of semi-automatic
>"assault rifle," as if 'military looking' has any consequence. The
>definition of "assault rifle" requires select fire so any
>semi-automatic, regardless of what it looks like, it NOT an "assault
>rifle." (the 1994 ban got around this 'problem' by coining the new
>term "assault weapon" as a semi-automatic with 'scary' features like a
>folding stock and pistol grip. A bayonet mount was another 'scary
>feature' and you see how many 'mass gorings' there've been from them.)

>
>>Almost all of these nut case crimes happened because "medical privacy"
>>rules prevent disclosure that would have prevented qualification to
>>buy a weapon.
>>
>>And look at the Fort Hood case... Hasan was outwardly hostile against
>>"infidels", but the record was suppressed because of FEAR of
>>infringing the civil rights of some Islamic nutcase. Now the trial
>>is delayed while he appeals to keep his beard. Shoot the @#$%^& and
>>get it over with.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson

"Flipper" (a pseudonym for pansy, wimp and/or fairy) didn't address
anything but a dictionary definition that no one knows or cares about.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:42:18 -0800, RosemontCrest

No, my "problem" just went away.

[Martin Riddle]

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in message news:kclpc85a4d6t9rgj8...@4ax.com...

> More Media Lies
>
> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> pistols...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Reading all the News outlets stories, it seems no one knows what guns
were used.
The coroner says the kids died from the 223, but the others say the 223
was in the car trunk.

Poor reporting if you ask me.

The kid was a crack pot, and the mother probably kept her guns under her
sweaters.
A recipe for disaster.
At least remove the firing pins.


Cheers

[miso]

On 12/15/2012 11:56 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:

> More Media Lies
>
> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> pistols...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
> ...Jim Thompson
>

Except your link doesn't say automatic. Further, a Glock is a
semi-automatic:
> http://us.glock.com/technology

The .223 is to breach body armor, though the press doesn't mention that.

If you listen to the NRA news (XM Patriot or podcast), the fucking
chicken shits never do a newscast when these mass murders take place.
They go quiet, then in a day or two they start foaming at the mouth
about Obama taking away their guns. The NRA is simply an embarrassment
to decent gun owners.

As it turns out, the mother in Sandy Hook was killed by her own weapon.
Some shit for brains don't believe in gun safes.

[miso]

On 12/15/2012 12:20 PM, RosemontCrest wrote:
> On 12/15/2012 11:56 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> More Media Lies
>>
>> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>> pistols...
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>

> Educate yourself. A pistol is a semi-automatic handgun, not to be
> confused with a revolver.

> http://us.glock.com/technology


The GLOCK �Safe Action�� pistol is manufactured with only 34 component
parts, a significantly lower number of parts than the
semi-automatic
pistol designs of GLOCK�s competitors. This smaller number of component
parts increases reliability by reducing the potential for technical
problems. The cost associated with spare parts inventory is reduced,
which contributes to the lower overall maintenance costs for the life of
the GLOCK pistol.

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 15, 10:06 pm, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
> On 12/15/2012 12:20 PM, RosemontCrest wrote:
>
> > On 12/15/2012 11:56 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> More Media Lies
>
> >> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> >> pistols...
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
>

> > Educate yourself. A pistol is a semi-automatic handgun, not to be
> > confused with a revolver.
> >http://us.glock.com/technology
>

> The GLOCK “Safe Action”® pistol is manufactured with only 34 component

> parts, a significantly lower number of parts than the
> semi-automatic

> pistol designs of GLOCK’s competitors. This smaller number of component

> parts increases reliability by reducing the potential for technical
> problems. The cost associated with spare parts inventory is reduced,
> which contributes to the lower overall maintenance costs for the life of
> the GLOCK pistol.

To me semi-auto means the weapon ejects the round, chambers another,
and cocks itself. A Glock qualifies.

I heard some breathless MSM weenies describe the .223 as a "high-
powered assault rifle." Nope.

James Arthur

[RosemontCrest]

On 12/15/2012 7:48 PM, flipper wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:47:49 -0700, Jim Thompson

> In other words, Jim was wrong so he attacks the messenger for speaking
> truth.

Yeah, it seems that he doesn't like being proven wrong. Oh well, it's
not like he contributes much of anything relevant to these newsgroups
anymore. Most of what he posts lately is off-topic blather.

[Bill Sloman]

On 16 Dec, 12:48, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

No, he swept it under the carpet. Anybody who reminds Jim that he is
an ignorant jackass gets kill-filed, which leaves him happy to enjoy
the company of those who haven't noticed that he's an ignorant
jackass.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On 16 Dec, 11:41, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> > But "semi-automatic" is a scare word to intimidate the ignorant.
>
>    They are scared of daylight, like any other cockroach.

Whereas Jim bravely kill-files everybody who points out how ignorant
he is.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On 16 Dec, 11:43, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Jim Thompson thinks that the fact that cars kill 90 people a day in
the US absolves you from having to worry about the fact that guns kill
three people a day.

It's not immediately clear why he doesn't think that the fact than
cancer kills 1500 a day isn't equally relevant.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On 16 Dec, 11:39, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Don't forget the reactionaries. They kill many more than liberals,
what with one thing - aversion to vaccination for instance - and
another.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

You'd need copy-cat surges in the statistics to prove that point. It's
not there, which makes you a liar.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[John Larkin]

The true gun lobby in the USA is Hollywood. Today's SF Chronicle editorials
bemoaned the lack of gun control, and a few pages later, in the Datebook
section, are big-buck ads for movies and video games full of guns, and TV
listings that feature violence.

Availability of guns is part of the problem, but glorification of shooting and
killing is a bigger one.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
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Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

[P E Schoen]

James Arthur wrote in message
news:18c1a9aa-4667-492a...@a2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

> It doesn't help that the media's making the dead guy a big celebrity /
> anti-hero. That's why they do it. The media encourages these things,
> more than anything else.

It was revealed that the mother had the weapons for self-protection against
the feared collapse of the economy and ensuing civil war, which is
perpetrated by the radical right-wing media and dangerously delusional
nutters like Jim Thompson. People who snap and go on rampages such as this
most recent tragedy usually exhibit signs of instability, and make
pronouncements of their intentions in advance. It seems that Thompson has
been doing that a lot lately, and he freely provides his address, as if he
wants the authorities to intervene and give him the help he needs.

Paul

[Michael A. Terrell]

P E Schoen wrote:
>
> It seems that


You need help. More than you'll ever get on line. Congratulations,
you've made it into the Sloman bucket on another newsgroup.

[Martin Riddle]

"John Larkin" <jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message news:agnqc8hktfa42l1p5...@4ax.com...

Years ago we put crazy people in big buildings with rubber walls.
Today we give them drugs and let them mingle with the general public.

Hmmmmm......

Cheers

[P E Schoen]

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
news:pMadnRwYu8k2_VDN...@earthlink.com...

> You need help. More than you'll ever get on line. Congratulations,
> you've made it into the Sloman bucket on another newsgroup.

Michael, it seems that you are also screaming for help, and hopefully
someone will provide that for you before you also snap and do something that
might endanger the lives and welfare of others. Unlike you and Jim, I have
compassion for people such as you, and I do not make plausible threats of
violence as you both have made here. Perhaps proactive measures are called
for.

Paul

[John Larkin]

Thompson is firing blanks.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Then they call cross country and make death threats when people kill
file them.

[Nico Coesel]

Bill Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

>On 16 Dec, 08:56, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

>Web-Site.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:28:01 +0100, tuinkabouter
>>
>> <dachthetn...@net.invalid> wrote:

>> >On 12/15/2012 8:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> >> More Media Lies
>>
>> >> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>> >> pistols...
>>
>> >>http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>>

>> >Is this important?
>>
>> >In the US on average three kids are killed every day by firearms.
>> >What would you do about that?
>>

>> So? =A0Ninety people die every day in an automobile accident... many of
>> them children.
>
>But cars are useful. Pretty much every other advanced industrial
>country gets by with much tighter restrictions on gun ownership, and
>benefits from much lower rates of gun homicide.
>About all the US actually earns with it's silly ideas about the right
>to bear arms is a lot more gun murders.

Darwin's theory works very well on idiots.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

[Bill Sloman]

On 16 Dec, 17:15, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:43:50 -0500, "P E Schoen" <p...@peschoen.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >James Arthur wrote in message
> >news:18c1a9aa-4667-492a...@a2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> It doesn't help that the media's making the dead guy a big celebrity /
> >> anti-hero.  That's why they do it.  The media encourages these things,
> >> more than anything else.
>
> >It was revealed that the mother had the weapons for self-protection against
> >the feared collapse of the economy and ensuing civil war, which is
> >perpetrated by the radical right-wing media and dangerously delusional
> >nutters like Jim Thompson. People who snap and go on rampages such as this
> >most recent tragedy usually exhibit signs of instability, and make
> >pronouncements of their intentions in advance. It seems that Thompson has
> >been doing that a lot lately, and he freely provides his address, as if he
> >wants the authorities to intervene and give him the help he needs.
>
> >Paul
>
> Thompson is firing blanks.

We can only hope you are right.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[pheeh...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:39:14 PM UTC-6, Michael Terrell wrote:

>
> They also need to do away with all swimming pools, bicycles, forks,
>
> knives, gasoline, people with a sub-normal IQ and liberals.

You (yourself) can't believe the drivels that you post...it is only for shock value. NO ONE is that fucking stupid.
None could even begin to equate a purposeful, evil act with an accidental chain of events.

[RipeCrisbies]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> How's the crime rate in London?
> Or Liverpool? Or Manchester?
>

Killed by Guns Last Year:

UK approx 35

USA approx 9500

The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?

I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns. The few that do kill
thousands each year.



--
M0WYM
www.radiowymsey.org

Sales @ radiowymsey
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Sales-At-Radio-Wymsey/

[RipeCrisbies]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:39:24 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

>
> He's ignorant.

At least there's always hope for the ignorant.

[pheeh...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, December 15, 2012 7:48:46 PM UTC-6, Jim Thompson wrote:

>
> No, my "problem" just went away.
>

In other words...you just won the argument and he is going to "kill file" you because his brain can't handle it!

[Michael Black]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012, Jim Thompson wrote:

> More Media Lies
>
> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> pistols...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>

Keep your trash out of the newsgroups.

Once upon a time, there was sci.electronics, full of electronic related
posts, though sometimes a bit too much traffic. So they were split into
multiple newsgroups. Then sometime later some idiot decided that
sci.electronics.design was a hangout, not so much about electronic design
but about talking about whatever to whoever was there. And after a while,
that destroyed the newsgroup, even if the illusion is that there's a lot
of traffic there and it's healthy.

And then in recent times you've compounded your initial problem by
constantly cross-posting to other newsgroups. It's bad enough that you
feel it's acceptable to post junk unrelated to electronics, but you think
the rest of us want to see the junk posts? I don't look at
sci.electronics.design because of the way you trashed it with your
off-topic posts, don't come into .basics and inflict it on us here (or in
the other newsgroups that you've cross-posted to).

If nothing else, your trash means other people think it's acceptable to
act the same way, so now we're getting other people's junk to.

Keep your junk in sci.electronics.design.

ANd in the future, before you post, think very hard about whether you have
to cross-post anything, like your continuous junk posts about needed
computer parts or whatever. At least when you kept them in
sci.electronics.design we didn't have to see them elsewhere.

Michael

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

I just heard a parent praising the slain principal, from their
interactions with her, depositing kids at the school's before and
after school programs.

IOW, the kids are being raised by the gov't schools.


James Arthur

[Jim Thompson]

Yep. Gabby Gifford et al wouldn't be dead if U of A medical center
hadn't kept Jared Loughner's mental health records under wraps.

...Jim Thompson
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[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:45:31 +0000 (UTC), RipeCrisbies
<Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> How's the crime rate in London?
>> Or Liverpool? Or Manchester?
>>
>
>Killed by Guns Last Year:
>
>UK approx 35
>
>USA approx 9500
>
>The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
>democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?
>
>I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
>and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns. The few that do kill
>thousands each year.

I asked the CRIME rate?

And how about numbers PER CAPITA? We're supposed to be engineers
lurking here, are we not?

Although I'd guess a survey would show it's mostly candidates for
village idiot certification.

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:58:13 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:45:31 +0000 (UTC), RipeCrisbies
><Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> How's the crime rate in London?
>>> Or Liverpool? Or Manchester?
>>>
>>
>>Killed by Guns Last Year:
>>
>>UK approx 35
>>
>>USA approx 9500
>>
>>The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
>>democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?
>>
>>I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
>>and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns. The few that do kill
>>thousands each year.
>
>I asked the CRIME rate?
>

As in... http://tinyurl.com/cc9p82v

Idiot!

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:42:35 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

>On Dec 15, 10:06 pm, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>> On 12/15/2012 12:20 PM, RosemontCrest wrote:

>>
>> > On 12/15/2012 11:56 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> >> More Media Lies
>>
>> >> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>> >> pistols...
>>
>> >>http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>>
>>

>> > Educate yourself. A pistol is a semi-automatic handgun, not to be
>> > confused with a revolver.

>> >http://us.glock.com/technology
>>
>> The GLOCK “Safe Action”® pistol is manufactured with only 34 component
>> parts, a significantly lower number of parts than the
>> semi-automatic
>> pistol designs of GLOCK’s competitors. This smaller number of component
>> parts increases reliability by reducing the potential for technical
>> problems. The cost associated with spare parts inventory is reduced,
>> which contributes to the lower overall maintenance costs for the life of
>> the GLOCK pistol.
>
>To me semi-auto means the weapon ejects the round, chambers another,
>and cocks itself. A Glock qualifies.

I think BATF defines it as one firing per trigger squeeze.

>
>I heard some breathless MSM weenies describe the .223 as a "high-
>powered assault rifle." Nope.
>
>James Arthur

Depends. .223 is available "long" for the AR15

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:26:33 -0500, "Martin Riddle"
<marti...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>in message news:kclpc85a4d6t9rgj8...@4ax.com...

>> More Media Lies
>>
>> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>> pistols...
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>>

>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>Reading all the News outlets stories, it seems no one knows what guns
>were used.
>The coroner says the kids died from the 223, but the others say the 223
>was in the car trunk.
>
>Poor reporting if you ask me.
>
[snip]

Yep. So many variation in stories. No wonder "journalism" is in the
competition for "second oldest profession".

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:59:24 -0800, miso <mi...@sushi.com> wrote:

>On 12/15/2012 11:56 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:

>> More Media Lies
>>
>> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>> pistols...
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>

>Except your link doesn't say automatic.

Did I say "automatic"? Read back up a few lines.

>Further, a Glock is a
>semi-automatic:
>> http://us.glock.com/technology

I know: SEMI

>
>The .223 is to breach body armor, though the press doesn't mention that.

Only in the "long" version.

>
>If you listen to the NRA news (XM Patriot or podcast), the fucking
>chicken shits never do a newscast when these mass murders take place.
>They go quiet, then in a day or two they start foaming at the mouth
>about Obama taking away their guns. The NRA is simply an embarrassment
>to decent gun owners.
>
>As it turns out, the mother in Sandy Hook was killed by her own weapon.
>Some shit for brains don't believe in gun safes.
>

I'm all for mental exams before gun purchase... that would cut you out
>:-}

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 16, 9:45 am, RipeCrisbies <GnomeL...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> > How's the crime rate in London?
> > Or Liverpool?  Or Manchester?
>
> Killed by Guns Last Year:
>
> UK approx 35
>
> USA approx 9500
>
> The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
> democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?

Switzerland. Ours are for protection against the government,
ultimately. That was the original rationale, and still pertains
today. It may be difficult to understand. Your history is of being
ruled; ours is of self-rule. We are not subjects.

> I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
> and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns.

Very large numbers own guns. ISTR it's 100 million-ish. The
offenders are in the ppm, generally outlaws beforehand.

> The few that do kill
> thousands each year.

Ordinary citizens' risks are miniscule. Most losses are criminals &
gangbangers shooting each other in progressive, inner-city utopias.


James Arthur

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 16, 11:03 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-
My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:42:35 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>

> >I heard some breathless MSM weenies describe the .223 as a "high-
> >powered assault rifle."  Nope.
>
>

> Depends.  .223 is available "long" for the AR15

Wiki says the .223 is a "sporting" cartridge. You're speaking of the
NATO 5.56x45.[*] An M1 Garrand is wayyy more powerful still.

[*] (Thanks, Wikipedia!)

It's all irrelevant bias, characterizing, media-posturing. "Assault
rifle"? As opposed to what, a "kindness and understanding" rifle? An
Obamacare "Fair Share(tm)" rifle?

It's all nonsense. Who cares? The kids are dead. Many of them were
apparently stabbed--shall we fixate on the type of knife? Or use that
as an excuse to ban knives?

America has been armed since the founding--that's never been a problem
before. It's the society that's changed--has been changed--and
"fixing" everything else on that pretext won't fix a thing.

But perhaps I misspeak--were these common pre-Great Society, pre-gov't-
farmed kids, oh Elder One?


James Arthur

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:45:31 +0000 (UTC), RipeCrisbies
<Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> How's the crime rate in London?
>> Or Liverpool? Or Manchester?
>>
>
>Killed by Guns Last Year:
>
>UK approx 35
>
>USA approx 9500

No, the number is more like 30,000 with somewhat more than half being suicides.

But the US homicide rate is about 3.5x that of the UK, nothing like 9500/35.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


But we have fewer burglaries and muggings.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-111162/Now-mugging-worse-London-Harlem.html

>
>The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
>democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?
>
>I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
>and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns. The few that do kill
>thousands each year.

Gun violence is selective in the USA. Drug dealers, gangs, and some cities
dominate gun violence. People who live in quiet neighborhoods and who don't hang
out at clubs until 2AM have little to fear. Likely gun ownership, whether a
single household has a weapon or not, keeps the burglarly rate down. Not only is
it legal to shoot a burglar, in some places it's positively encouraged.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038785/Vincent-Cookes-plea-family-flee-stabbing-burglar-Raymond-Jacob-6-times.html

That's insane, arresting someone for defending his family in his own home.

"Burglar's family leave floral tributes at the scene"

I read about a guy in the UK who found a gun in his front yard. He immediately
took it to a police ststion, where he was arrested for carrying a gun.

[k...@att.bizzz]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 09:03:54 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-Th...@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:42:35 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Dec 15, 10:06pm, miso <m...@sushi.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/15/2012 12:20 PM, RosemontCrest wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 12/15/2012 11:56 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>> >> More Media Lies
>>>
>>> >> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
>>> >> pistols...
>>>
>>> >>http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>>>
>>>
>>> > Educate yourself. A pistol is a semi-automatic handgun, not to be
>>> > confused with a revolver.
>>> >http://us.glock.com/technology
>>>

>>> The GLOCK 鉄afe Action醗 pistol is manufactured with only 34 component

>>> parts, a significantly lower number of parts than the
>>> semi-automatic

>>> pistol designs of GLOCK痴 competitors. This smaller number of component

>>> parts increases reliability by reducing the potential for technical
>>> problems. The cost associated with spare parts inventory is reduced,
>>> which contributes to the lower overall maintenance costs for the life of
>>> the GLOCK pistol.
>>
>>To me semi-auto means the weapon ejects the round, chambers another,
>>and cocks itself. A Glock qualifies.
>
>I think BATF defines it as one firing per trigger squeeze.

Then a double-action revolver is a semi-automatic? That's the first
time I've heard that definition.

>>I heard some breathless MSM weenies describe the .223 as a "high-
>>powered assault rifle." Nope.
>>
>>James Arthur
>
>Depends. .223 is available "long" for the AR15

Not buying it. There is ".223 Remington" which is very close (.223
works in a 5.56, but the other way around isn't recommended) to the
"5.56 NATO" round, used in the AR15, and ".223 super short magnum
(Winchester), but nothing I can find called a ".223 long".

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 16, 12:41 am, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:28:20 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >On Dec 15, 3:47 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
> >Web-Site.com> wrote:

> >> The Second Amendment to the Constitution was put there to allow the
> >> public to protect themselves from a tyrannical government.
>
> >Yep.  In my area, citizens successfully defending themselves make the
> >news fairly often.  Nobody seems to count those.
>
> >The greater problem is societal--fully-armed Switzerland doesn't seem
> >to have any problems.
>
> >NIH (Nat'l Institute of Health) explains homicides thusly:
> >"Sociologists feel that the increase of gangs, teenage homicide,
> >teenage suicide, teenage pregnancy, school drop-out, and other
> >problems are a reflection of a rapidly changing society and family
> >structure."
>
> >http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001915.htm
>
> The true gun lobby in the USA is Hollywood. Today's SF Chronicle editorials
> bemoaned the lack of gun control, and a few pages later, in the Datebook
> section, are big-buck ads for movies and video games full of guns, and TV
> listings that feature violence.
>
> Availability of guns is part of the problem, but glorification of shooting and
> killing is a bigger one.

Yep. Boys used to carry their .22's to school, for rabbit-hunting on
the way home. I don't recall any mass murders, do you?

Methinks it's more likely a Great Society thing--unsupervised kids
growing up on the gov't farm, not properly loved, tended, or taught.

James

[Les Cargill]

I almost certainly don't know what the cause is. I'd say we're all
guessing. I end up resorting to Fred On Everything style logic,
but ( I think Fred would agree ) it's rather an ... impotent ranting
... thing.

One can also argue that Dilllinger and Charles Starkweather* might have
been part of the same phenomenon, in which case it's all but hopeless.
At least Pretty Boy Floyd was known to be very interested in media
coverage.

(see the Springsteen song "Nebraska" and the movie "Badlands" inspired
by the song. ) Yeah, we're well past science and way into art.

Dunno; CNN is getting a lot of time out of it. Gad, that's
cynical... what else they 'sposed to do?

> Methinks it's more likely a Great Society thing--unsupervised kids
> growing up on the gov't farm, not properly loved, tended, or taught.
>

Dunno. I don't think we can blame everything on the Great Society.

> James
>

--
Les Cargill

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 16, 2:52 pm, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.com> wrote:

Report it, then let it lie. Or not report it at all--it's a local
thing, mostly not relevant to the country as a whole.

It's a sadness of course. But twice as many died in Sandy, and flags
weren't flying at half mast for them. Were they less worthy? Or just
less newsworthy?

> > Methinks it's more likely a Great Society thing--unsupervised kids
> > growing up on the gov't farm, not properly loved, tended, or taught.
>
> Dunno. I don't think we can blame everything on the Great Society.

Yes We Can!

(Not everything, but it seems like this is a candidate. Inner city
gun violence too, mostly.)

James Arthur

[Les Cargill]

dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
<snip>

>> One can also argue that Dilllinger and Charles Starkweather* might
>> have been part of the same phenomenon, in which case it's all but
>> hopeless. At least Pretty Boy Floyd was known to be very interested
>> in media coverage.
>>
>> (see the Springsteen song "Nebraska" and the movie "Badlands"
>> inspired by the song. ) Yeah, we're well past science and way into
>> art.
>>
>> Dunno; CNN is getting a lot of time out of it. Gad, that's
>> cynical... what else they 'sposed to do?
>
> Report it, then let it lie. Or not report it at all--it's a local
> thing, mostly not relevant to the country as a whole.
>

Yet they don't.

> It's a sadness of course. But twice as many died in Sandy, and
> flags weren't flying at half mast for them. Were they less worthy?
> Or just less newsworthy?
>

I think that in the exploitation of entertainment product ( and CNN
qualifies ) if you're being this morbid, you should be making a larger
point.

>>> Methinks it's more likely a Great Society thing--unsupervised
>>> kids growing up on the gov't farm, not properly loved, tended, or
>>> taught.
>>
>> Dunno. I don't think we can blame everything on the Great Society.
>
> Yes We Can!
>

Ar ar ar! Humo(u)r.

> (Not everything, but it seems like this is a candidate.

Dunno why that would be, though.

> Inner city gun violence too, mostly.)
>

That is different from this. Inner cities are a "divide by zero" sort of
economy; there's a whole historical arc to that. Deindustrialization,
people escaping Jim Crow in the first half of the 20th Century, drugs
prohibition - all conspire to make that happen.

The way CNN plays it is "but this isn't supposed to happen in a nice
suburb like this." Well...

> James Arthur
>

--
Les Cargill

[John Larkin]

I think that gun glorification, in movies, TV shows, and video games, is more
important. And modern semi-auto carbon-fiber Glock type weapons are a lot more
glamorous than an old wood-stock bolt-action .22, not to mention a lot more
deadly. Look at the movies: hardly anybody fires one shot; they blast off 65
rounds at the bad guys in a few seconds without even reloading. Gun violence is
seductive, especially to the weak and alienated. I cite Thompson's juvenile
fantasies of automatic-weapon liberal-blasting mayhem.

Hollywood is a major contributor so many of today's social pathologies. And a
major contributor to Democrats.

[cameo]

On 12/16/2012 1:51 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> I think that gun glorification, in movies, TV shows, and video games, is more
> important. And modern semi-auto carbon-fiber Glock type weapons are a lot more
> glamorous than an old wood-stock bolt-action .22, not to mention a lot more
> deadly. Look at the movies: hardly anybody fires one shot; they blast off 65
> rounds at the bad guys in a few seconds without even reloading. Gun violence is
> seductive, especially to the weak and alienated. I cite Thompson's juvenile
> fantasies of automatic-weapon liberal-blasting mayhem.
>
> Hollywood is a major contributor so many of today's social pathologies. And a
> major contributor to Democrats.

Actually, I have a feeling that most of these killers were probably
addicted to shooter type video games and that made them feel like some
kind of heroes unappreciated by society. So they decide to move from
their video heroics to real life shooting. Why else would they dress up
in SWAT type gear even though they picked a target where there was very
little likelygood meeting any opposition that would shoot back? So they
are basically cowards who are heroes only in their own mind.

I wonder when the media will actually explore this angle of the killer's
background.

[Bill Sloman]

On 16 Dec, 23:09, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:

> BillSloman<bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >On 16 Dec, 08:56, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
> >Web-Site.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:28:01 +0100, tuinkabouter
>
> >> <dachthetn...@net.invalid> wrote:
> >> >On 12/15/2012 8:56 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> >> More Media Lies
>
> >> >> The media keeps saying "semi-automatic", but all weapons used were
> >> >> pistols...
>
> >> >>http://tinyurl.com/d35ffhv
>
> >> >Is this important?
>
> >> >In the US on average three kids are killed every day by firearms.
> >> >What would you do about that?
>

> >> So? Ninety people die every day in an automobile accident... many of

> >> them children.
>
> >But cars are useful. Pretty much every other advanced industrial
> >country gets by with much tighter restrictions on gun ownership, and
> >benefits from much lower rates of gun homicide.
> >About all the US actually earns with it's silly ideas about the right
> >to bear arms is a lot more gun murders.
>
> Darwin's theory works very well on idiots.

Wrong. The silly ideas endemic in the US on gun control don't actually
kill enough people for natural selection to work effectively.

The only thing that might make a difference to US attitudes in that
area would involve teaching more of them to do critical thinking,
which would be a heroic enterprise, and probably dangerously anti-
American - if a significant minority started applying critical
thinking to their political arrangements the country might never be
the same again (and not before time).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

That's what schools are for. They obviously don't do the whole job,
but any environment to which kids are exposed for six hours a day,
five days a week, is going to influence how the kids grow up.
Parents obviously have more influence - they put in longer hours at
the start, and get started a lot earlier in the child's life - but you
wouldn't want them to be the only influence.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:18:01 -0800, cameo <ca...@unreal.invalid>
wrote:

I think a lot of it is disintegration of the family unit. How many
families sit down, eat dinner together and discuss the days events,
problems and solutions?

Just drive by any average high school and observe that the MAJORITY of
the males are butt-crack-exposing punks, and the majority of the
females are dressed like whores.

Besides, I have no "fantasies of automatic-weapon liberal-blasting
mayhem". Semi-automatic is quite sufficient >:-}

[k...@att.bizzz]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:12:09 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Drug 'em. That'll cure the problem.

[Bill Sloman]

On 17 Dec, 10:29, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-

James Arthur style selective vision at work here. And do whores dress
any differently from anybody else these days? When I walk down to the
local supermarket through Kings Cross - which is supposed to be the
centre of the skin trade in Sydney - I don't seem to be seeing any
group of distinctively dressed women plying for hire.

> Besides, I have no "fantasies of automatic-weapon liberal-blasting
> mayhem".  Semi-automatic is quite sufficient >:-}

The fanatasy element lies in the liberals not shooting back - probably
pre-emptively, granting Jim's enthusiasm for publicising his psychotic
delusions.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On 17 Dec, 03:23, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 16, 9:45 am, RipeCrisbies <GnomeL...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> > > How's the crime rate in London?
> > > Or Liverpool?  Or Manchester?
>
> > Killed by Guns Last Year:
>
> > UK approx 35
>
> > USA approx 9500
>
> > The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
> > democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?
>
> Switzerland.  Ours are for protection against the government,
> ultimately.

Switzerland has the kind of well-regulated militia that the founding
tax evaders had in mind. The founding tax evaders would be horrified
to learn that their well-meant proposition had been converted into a
license for non-property-owning citizens to won guns.

> That was the original rationale,

James Arthur conveniently neglects the "well regulated militia"
element, and the inconvenient fact that an armed but undisciplined and
disorganised rabble is no protection against the kind of trained
troops that any government can muster.

> and still pertains today.

James Arthur practising his selective vision with more than usual
enthusiasm.

> It may be difficult to understand.  Your history is of being
> ruled; ours is of self-rule.  We are not subjects.

Dream on. The founding tax evaders suckered you into their tax evasion
scheme with talk of liberty, which was never delivered, and some of
you have still haven't noticed that you were played for suckers..

> > I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
> > and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns.
>
> Very large numbers own guns.  ISTR it's 100 million-ish.  The
> offenders are in the ppm, generally outlaws beforehand.

Not in this case.

> > The few that do kill thousands each year.
>
> Ordinary citizens' risks are miniscule.  Most losses are criminals &
> gangbangers shooting each other in progressive, inner-city utopias.

Check out the statistics on gun suicide sometime. And note that - in
young people - the proportion of suicide attempts that succeed is
about 0.5%. Do that badly is difficult if you have access to a gun.

http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics

This is the primary and overwhelming risk of having a gun in the
house. It endangers you and anybody who can get at that gun.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0805923

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On 17 Dec, 04:47, John Larkin

<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:45:31 +0000 (UTC), RipeCrisbies
>

> <GnomeL...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> How's the crime rate in London?
> >> Or Liverpool?  Or Manchester?
>
> >Killed by Guns Last Year:
>
> >UK approx 35
>
> >USA approx 9500
>
> No, the number is more like 30,000 with somewhat more than half being suicides.
>
> But the US homicide rate is about 3.5x that of the UK, nothing like 9500/35.
>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicid...

>
> But we have fewer burglaries and muggings.
>

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-...
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-111162/Now-mugging-worse-Lond...

>
>
>
> >The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
> >democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?
>
> >I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
> >and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns. The few that do kill
> >thousands each year.
>
> Gun violence is selective in the USA. Drug dealers, gangs, and some cities
> dominate gun violence. People who live in quiet neighborhoods and who don't hang
> out at clubs until 2AM have little to fear. Likely gun ownership, whether a

> single household has a weapon or not, keeps the burglary rate down.

And the successful suicide rate up.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0805923

> Not only is
> it legal to shoot a burglar, in some places it's positively encouraged.

Leading to nervous gun-owners shooting lost tourists - and members of
their own families - after mistaking them for burglars.

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038785/Vincent-Cookes-plea-f...

>
> That's insane, arresting someone for defending his family in his own home.

It's even more insane to take the Daily Mail seriously. Papers like
the Guardian tend to report what actually happens, rather than a
fantasy version which will titillate their readers.

> "Burglar's family leave floral tributes at the scene"
>
> I read about a guy in the UK who found a gun in his front yard. He immediately

> took it to a police station, where he was arrested for carrying a gun.

He probably should have left it where it was, called the police and
left them to contaminate the evidence, rather than doing it for them.

Doesn't anybody in your family watch one of the CSI shows?

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On 17 Dec, 04:02, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 16, 11:03 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-
>
> My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:42:35 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com
> > wrote:
>
> > >I heard some breathless MSM weenies describe the .223 as a "high-
> > >powered assault rifle."  Nope.
>
> > Depends.  .223 is available "long" for the AR15
>
>  Wiki says the .223 is a "sporting" cartridge. You're speaking of the
> NATO 5.56x45.[*]   An M1 Garrand is wayyy more powerful still.
>
> [*] (Thanks, Wikipedia!)
>
> It's all irrelevant bias, characterizing, media-posturing.   "Assault
> rifle"?  As opposed to what, a "kindness and understanding" rifle?  An
> Obamacare "Fair Share(tm)" rifle?
>
> It's all nonsense.  Who cares?  The kids are dead.  Many of them were
> apparently stabbed--shall we fixate on the type of knife?  Or use that
> as an excuse to ban knives?
>
> America has been armed since the founding--that's never been a problem
> before.

It's got to be a problem since the non-property owning classes started
being rich enough to own guns. Not because they were any more
psychopathic than their richer neighbours, but because there are a
lot more of them, and lots of stuff that was too rare to be worth
commenting on got to happen several times in living memory.

>  It's the society that's changed--has been changed--and
> "fixing" everything else on that pretext won't fix a thing.

Trust you to miss the important change.

> But perhaps I misspeak--were these common pre-Great Society, pre-gov't-
> farmed kids, oh Elder One?

And most of them too poor to own a gun, which did tend to be a luxury
item.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 16, 7:21 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 17 Dec, 03:23, dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > On Dec 16, 9:45 am, RipeCrisbies <GnomeL...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> > > > How's the crime rate in London?
> > > > Or Liverpool?  Or Manchester?
>
> > > Killed by Guns Last Year:
>
> > > UK approx 35
>
> > > USA approx 9500
>
> > > The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
> > > democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?
>
> > Switzerland.  Ours are for protection against the government,
> > ultimately.
>
> Switzerland has the kind of well-regulated militia that the founding
> tax evaders had in mind. The founding tax evaders would be horrified
> to learn that their well-meant proposition had been converted into a
> license for non-property-owning citizens to won guns.
>
> > That was the original rationale,
>
> James Arthur conveniently neglects the "well regulated militia"
> element, and the inconvenient fact that an armed but undisciplined and
> disorganised rabble is no protection against the kind of trained
> troops that any government can muster.

When America was forming, lots of people feared a too-powerful federal
government. The guys promoting the Constitution reassured them in
plain words in the Federalist Papers: citizens were allowed to keep
arms as the People's final check on the federal government ever
getting too big for its britches.

The Federalist Papers specifically lay out the scenario of the
hopeless, hapless, folly of a federal force, should it ever be arrayed
against an armed citizenry--who outnumber them by 20:1 (IIRC)--as
proof the People could never be conquered by their government.

But you knew that, as always.

So, you think a 'militia' answering to the commander-in-chief of that
federal gov't satisfies that intention as an ultimate safeguard,
keeping said federal gov't in check? That's what they meant?

Good thinking.

James Arthur

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:18:38 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Slowman doesn't think... he brays.

[Bill Sloman]

Didn't work too well at the time. Remember the Whisky Rebellion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

The militias from the surrounding states moved in to allow the federal
government to remain too big for its britches.

> The Federalist Papers specifically lay out the scenario of the
> hopeless, hapless, folly of a federal force, should it ever be arrayed
> against an armed citizenry--who outnumber them by 20:1 (IIRC)--as
> proof the People could never be conquered by their government.

500 local rebels were intimidated by 13,000 well-regulated militia
troops when push came to shove. That particular group were decisively
conquered, happily without anybody getting shot.

> But you knew that, as always.

Knew that you were going to invoke the Federalist papers, rather than
contemporary history? Only in the sense that you predictably see only
the facts that suit your version of history.

> So, you think a 'militia' answering to the commander-in-chief of that
> federal gov't satisfies that intention as an ultimate safeguard,
> keeping said federal gov't in check?  That's what they meant?

Militias are local. They'll answer to the commands of the federal
government as long as those demands make sense to them.

The war between the states (1861-65) illustrates how that can work in
practice.

> Good thinking.

Better than you can manage, which isn't exactly extravagant self-
praise.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[Bill Sloman]

On 17 Dec, 13:33, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:18:38 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com

> Slowman doesn't think... he brays.

One can understand why Jim chose the word bray - James Arthur was
being more than usually selective in choosing the history he cited,
and had made an even bigger ass of himself than usual. Sadly, Jim's
sub-conscious perception didn't make it past his well-established
prejudices, leading him to endorse the braying, rather than the well-
reason argument that James Arthur. completely failed to address.

The fact that James Arthur's response completely ignores historical
reality should have been obvious - even to Jim. Not that many people
know about the Whisky Rebellion, but even Jim should have known about
the war between the states.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

Ah. So, the proper way to know what the founders thought and intended
is not to read their extensive, clear, and plain contemporaneous
writings detailing exactly that, but to look years later to
"contemporary history" explain what they intended, as interpreted by
you.

Genius.

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:57:07 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Slowman? Nope.

Village idiot, YES!

[dagmarg...@yahoo.com]

On Dec 16, 4:51 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:12:09 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:

> >Methinks it's more likely a Great Society thing--unsupervised kids
> >growing up on the gov't farm, not properly loved, tended, or taught.
>
>

> I think that gun glorification, in movies, TV shows, and video games, is more
> important. And modern semi-auto carbon-fiber Glock type weapons are a lot more
> glamorous than an old wood-stock bolt-action .22, not to mention a lot more
> deadly. Look at the movies: hardly anybody fires one shot; they blast off 65
> rounds at the bad guys in a few seconds without even reloading. Gun violence is
> seductive, especially to the weak and alienated. I cite Thompson's juvenile
> fantasies of automatic-weapon liberal-blasting mayhem.
>
> Hollywood is a major contributor so many of today's social pathologies. And a
> major contributor to Democrats.

Left-think says if Sarah Palin says "target" once, she personally
killed Gabby Giffords.[*] If Hollywood guns-a-blazing action-heroes
drill in billions of viewer-hours of glam-violence on screens across
the country, that has no effect.

[*] who lived.

James

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:
>
> Slowman? Nope.
>
> Village idiot, YES!

No village in the Netherlands would have him, now he's infesting
another continent.

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:52:55 -0800 (PST), dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

The First Amendment allows Hollywood [1] to glamorize sadism and
violence, and the Second Amendment makes guns available. Neither is
going to be changed any time soon. Hollywood could be shamed into not
exploiting violence, except that Hollywood has no sense of
responsibility, or shame. So, get used to it.

[1] and the Silicon Valley gaming industry


--

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jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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[John Larkin]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:07:14 -0600, flipper <fli...@fish.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 09:47:40 -0800, John Larkin
><jjla...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:45:31 +0000 (UTC), RipeCrisbies

>><Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>> How's the crime rate in London?
>>>> Or Liverpool? Or Manchester?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Killed by Guns Last Year:
>>>
>>>UK approx 35
>>>
>>>USA approx 9500
>>

>>No, the number is more like 30,000 with somewhat more than half being suicides.
>>
>>But the US homicide rate is about 3.5x that of the UK, nothing like 9500/35.
>>

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

>>
>>
>>But we have fewer burglaries and muggings.
>>

>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html
>>
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-111162/Now-mugging-worse-London-Harlem.html

>>
>>
>>>
>>>The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
>>>democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?
>>>

>>>I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
>>>and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns. The few that do kill
>>>thousands each year.
>>
>>Gun violence is selective in the USA. Drug dealers, gangs, and some cities
>>dominate gun violence.
>

>This is where the 25 year old 'kids' statistic comes from. Gun control
>advocates include inter-gang and drug violence in 'kids killed'.

For actual children, having a swimming pool is a couple of orders more
lethal than having a gun around.

[WangoTango]

In article <kakmqb$ss5$2...@dont-email.me>, Gnom...@lympledger.co.uk
says...

> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:39 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
> > How's the crime rate in London?
> > Or Liverpool? Or Manchester?
> >
>
> Killed by Guns Last Year:
>
> UK approx 35
>
> USA approx 9500
>

> The UK has it's problems but I know where I'd rather be! What sort of
> democracy needs it's citizens to own guns. Afghanistan, Iraq?

The kind where you are a citizen and not a subject.

>
> I know it's not that bad as the vast majority of Americans are sensible
> and like the rest of the sane world do not own guns. The few that do kill
> thousands each year.

I don't even know how to respond to such outlandish bullshit.