Sorting resistors

[Ivan Vegvary]

Trying to sort through 100's of resistors. Do you all sort them by the third color band, or do you get down finer than that?

Thanks for answers.
Ivan Vegvary

[Daniel Pitts]

At my school, they are "sorted" by value (3 bands). The problem is that
students don't always know the bands, or they don't look carefully, so
you'll find resistors off my a magnitude or more.

It depends on how you use resistors. If you find more often that you
need one of a specific magnitude, rather than a specific value, sorting
by the third band makes sense. I don't yet have enough that I need to
worry about sorting, but if I did, I think I'd sort by the first two
bands, if not all 3.

It also depends on how many "buckets" you have to sort into. If you have
only 5 buckets and don't have anything higher than 9.9MΩ, then that's
your answer ;-)

[Daniel Pitts]

I should mention to take my advice with a grain of salt. I'm only just
starting on this adventure myself ;-)

[George Herold]

We buy 1% TH metal films for something less than $0.02 each.
I calcualted what my time is worth, (salary+benefits+overhead+profit)
And how long it takes me to identify a resistor and put it away in the
right bin..(say one or two seconds with a DMM)
I save the $0.50 caps, and sweep the R's into the trash.
I always feel a bit guilty, they're fricking 1% resistors!
I could save them all in a bag and mail 'em to you at the end of a
year.

George H.

[Rich Webb]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:24:28 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
<ivanv...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Trying to sort through 100's of resistors. Do you all sort them by the third color band, or do you get down finer than that?

Six little plastic drawers across in the "organizing thing with lots
of little drawers" (proper name is ?). The ordinary 5% through-holes
are sorted by third band, with the last drawer being "1 meg and up"
(not many in that one). Specials -- precision, DIP arrays, big-ass
power resistors, etc. -- get a drawer for each type. Surface mount
assortments are in little plastic strips in a couple of small boxes.

[Ecnerwal]

In article <3b7c0285-13c2-4e5a...@googlegroups.com>,

How finely you do it sort of depends on how many you have, how many
drawers or boxes or bags you are allotting, and how much time you want
to spend looking for one when you need it, and how obvious you'd like to
to be that you don't have some values.

Right now, I have a mess. I hope to dig out of it, but I haven't wanted
to invest too much in storage hardware, so I have a mess.

At a job where it was more a part of the job, they were sorted into 24
drawers by the 5% first two bands, and then dividers in the drawer
sorted the third band (possibly only completely separate for common
values, with others lumped & sorted out by third band as needed - it's
been a couple decades.) I wanted to have stock of every value on hand
for that job, and that arrangement made it easy to tell if I needed to
order any. 1%, power etc were special cases beyond this system.

so:

10 11 12 13 15 16
18 20 22 24 27 30
33 36 39 43 47 51
56 62 68 75 82 91

I color-coded the drawers for good measure, as I recall.

I've thought about using large test tubes or culture tubes as a cheaper
method to rack and organize than the plastic organizer drawer things.

Better yet, I should cook something up in the woodshop - it will be more
satisfying, if I can find the time.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.

[David Eather]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:18:10 +1000, George Herold <ghe...@teachspin.com>
wrote:

There is a good thought there.

Find a school that has a hands on electronics program that can use your
resistors then save them up and give them to the school. The students time
for sorting is not expensive - and you get to do something good!

[Michael A. Terrell]

20% were common, and some 50% resistors were in equipment I
repaired. I bought a dozen metal frame, 50 drawer parts cabinets in
1970 and sorted out everything. Over the years, I've more than doubled
the cabinets but I rarely have to sort anything now. I cut index cards
nd folded them into dividers so I could put two 5% values ber drawer and
ignored the wattage. Small capacitors, connectors, transistors and some
hardware fill the rest of the cabinets. It doesn't take long to sort SMD
resistors or capacitors with tweezer probes. Sometimes they get mixed
up on the bench, and you are almost out of a value. That makes it worth
sorting. Somewhere I have a box of about 10 pounds of SMD resistors,
caps & other parts that were pulled at rework. A lot of them were
mis-stuffed by an outside contractor, or boards were reworked from one
rev to another and they didn't reuse the parts.

[Tim Wescott]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:53:25 -0700, Daniel Pitts wrote:

> On 5/14/13 3:24 PM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>> Trying to sort through 100's of resistors. Do you all sort them by the
>> third color band, or do you get down finer than that?
>>
>> Thanks for answers.
>> Ivan Vegvary
>>
>>
> At my school, they are "sorted" by value (3 bands). The problem is that
> students don't always know the bands, or they don't look carefully, so
> you'll find resistors off my a magnitude or more.

You may have some undiagnosed color blindness at work, too. The most
common color blindness is a complete or partial inability to distinguish
green and red (the red cones are actually missing, or are sparse, or the
pigment is too close to the yellow cones' pigment, I'm not sure which).

When that happens violet and blue look the same, as do green and gray,
and red and orange (or orange and yellow, or red and brown). Basically
the blues and yellows work just fine, but blue + (red or green), yellow +
(red or green), and gray + (red or green) don't.

I have this condition in the partial form. For the E96 series I can
usually get the first two digits because not all of the bands are used,
but I need to use a meter for the multiplier band (and 220 looks like
330, and 120, etc.)

> It depends on how you use resistors. If you find more often that you
> need one of a specific magnitude, rather than a specific value, sorting
> by the third band makes sense. I don't yet have enough that I need to
> worry about sorting, but if I did, I think I'd sort by the first two
> bands, if not all 3.
>
> It also depends on how many "buckets" you have to sort into. If you have
> only 5 buckets and don't have anything higher than 9.9MΩ, then that's
> your answer ;-)

I have enough bins to cover 47 to 470k in the 20% value range. Within
that I just look at the bands.

Besides, these days resistors don't have color bands -- if you're lucky
they have numbers, and if you're not they're just little black rectangles
with silver ends.

--
My liberal friends think I'm a conservative kook.
My conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook.
Why am I not happy that they have found common ground?

Tim Wescott, Communications, Control, Circuits & Software
http://www.wescottdesign.com

[Michael Black]

On Wed, 15 May 2013, Tim Wescott wrote:

> On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:53:25 -0700, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/13 3:24 PM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>>> Trying to sort through 100's of resistors. Do you all sort them by the
>>> third color band, or do you get down finer than that?
>>>
>>> Thanks for answers.
>>> Ivan Vegvary
>>>
>>>
>> At my school, they are "sorted" by value (3 bands). The problem is that
>> students don't always know the bands, or they don't look carefully, so
>> you'll find resistors off my a magnitude or more.
>
> You may have some undiagnosed color blindness at work, too. The most
> common color blindness is a complete or partial inability to distinguish
> green and red (the red cones are actually missing, or are sparse, or the
> pigment is too close to the yellow cones' pigment, I'm not sure which).
>

To be fair, in the old days when the resistors all came from Big Name
companies, the resistors were all brown, and the color coding on top of
that, it was pretty easy to read the color code.

Then the imported resistors, more like a sealed package, the color was no
longer consistent. It was obvious if you had the close together colors
together, but by itself it became harder to tell.


The big mistake beginners make is to try for some scheme. All those
mneominics and color wheels and such, when they should just be learning
the color code. It's not unlike learning morse code, if you look up on a
chart rather than hearing the sound of the character, you waste time and
can't catch up. If you don't do a direct translation, "there's red,
that's two" not even thinking that much, then sorting will be a tedious
process. A look up table, such as a mnemonic, just has the sorter
spending time remembering the mnemonic.

That said, if the color isn't clear, I'll just pull out the DMM. I often
tend to do that anyway, worried that the cheap resistors have been coded
wrong, or changed value.

It's easier to check parts as you solder them in than try to figure out
why something isn't working.

Michael

[Baron]

Hi Tim,

Tim Wescott Inscribed thus:

> Besides, these days resistors don't have color bands -- if you're
> lucky they have numbers, and if you're not they're just little black
> rectangles with silver ends.

Since you mention it, how do you decode the value for the ones that have
four numbers ?

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

[Rich Webb]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 21:46:02 +0100, Baron <ba...@linuxmanic.net>
wrote:

It's the same algorithm, just an extra sig fig.

There's a handy free tool at
<http://www.schematica.com/resistor_color_codes/resistor.html>
that also includes a decoder for SMT resistor codes like "A22".

[Bill Bowden]

On May 15, 2:20 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

I put the common values, 100, 1K, 10K, 100K, 1M in their own drawers.
The rest are sorted in ranges, so most all 1/4 watt values are in 20
drawers. I stumbled on some 8 pin SMT resistor packs with four 10K
resistors each. Each one of those can be arranged as a single 10K,
15K, 20K, 30K, 40K, 5K, 2.5K, and a few others. I haven't worked out
all the possibilities.

-Bill

[Jasen Betts]

I go finer, I sort to E6


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[Michael A. Terrell]

Bill Bowden wrote:
>
> I put the common values, 100, 1K, 10K, 100K, 1M in their own drawers.
> The rest are sorted in ranges, so most all 1/4 watt values are in 20
> drawers. I stumbled on some 8 pin SMT resistor packs with four 10K
> resistors each. Each one of those can be arranged as a single 10K,
> 15K, 20K, 30K, 40K, 5K, 2.5K, and a few others. I haven't worked out
> all the possibilities.

I have reels of resistor networks. They, and the other reels of
resistors are sorted by resistance, tolerance, then size.

I was starting a business when I set up my inventory and decided that
I couldn't waste the time looking for parts if I wanted to make money.

[Tim Wescott]

Four numbers means it's a 1% or better, and you decode it like the 1%
resistor color code (XXX * 10^Y). The hardest part for me is remembering
that I can't just "bin at a glance" by looking at the multiplier band --
i.e., yellow does _not_ mean 100k-ohm range, it means 1M-ohm range!!

[Ian Field]

"Ivan Vegvary" <ivanv...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3b7c0285-13c2-4e5a...@googlegroups.com...

I sort by the first 2 bands - E24 series only needs 24 component drawers.

[John Fields]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:24:28 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
<ivanv...@gmail.com> wrote:

---
I sort E24 from 1 ohm to 10 megohms by the first three color bands,
for a total of 169 drawers.

--
JF

[Bob Masta]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:03:52 -0500, Tim Wescott
<t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:53:25 -0700, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/13 3:24 PM, Ivan Vegvary wrote:
>>> Trying to sort through 100's of resistors. Do you all sort them by the
>>> third color band, or do you get down finer than that?
>>>
>>> Thanks for answers.
>>> Ivan Vegvary
>>>
>>>
>> At my school, they are "sorted" by value (3 bands). The problem is that
>> students don't always know the bands, or they don't look carefully, so
>> you'll find resistors off my a magnitude or more.
>
>You may have some undiagnosed color blindness at work, too. The most
>common color blindness is a complete or partial inability to distinguish
>green and red (the red cones are actually missing, or are sparse, or the
>pigment is too close to the yellow cones' pigment, I'm not sure which).
>
>When that happens violet and blue look the same, as do green and gray,
>and red and orange (or orange and yellow, or red and brown). Basically
>the blues and yellows work just fine, but blue + (red or green), yellow +
>(red or green), and gray + (red or green) don't.

Another factor is the lighting in your shop. When the lab
where I used to work started stocking a lot of 1% values
(which had a light blue body) everyone noticed that it was
hard to tell brown from red. One guy (avid photographer)
started looking into lighting, and replaced some of the
overhead fluorescent tubes with a special daylight-balanced
type. Presto! Suddenly the reds jumped out and looked
nothing like the browns.

However, the room as like "perpetual sunrise". Sounds
good, but after a while it got to be "too much of a good
thing". We ended up with the special tubes just over the
resistor cabinets.

Best regards,


Bob Masta

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[Cydrome Leader]

Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> George Herold wrote:
>>
>> On May 14, 6:24 pm, Ivan Vegvary <ivanvegv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Trying to sort through 100's of resistors. Do you all sort them by the third color band, or do you get down finer than that?
>> >
>> > Thanks for answers.
>> > Ivan Vegvary
>>
>> We buy 1% TH metal films for something less than $0.02 each.
>> I calcualted what my time is worth, (salary+benefits+overhead+profit)
>> And how long it takes me to identify a resistor and put it away in the
>> right bin..(say one or two seconds with a DMM)
>> I save the $0.50 caps, and sweep the R's into the trash.
>> I always feel a bit guilty, they're fricking 1% resistors!
>> I could save them all in a bag and mail 'em to you at the end of a
>> year.
>
>
> 20% were common, and some 50% resistors were in equipment I

haha, 50% resistors. never heard of that one. Russian equipment?

[Michael Black]

I assumed from the early days. People complain about the "odd" steps of
resistors and capacitors, but up to a certain point the values were much
weirder. I recall an article saying there was no real standardization at
all. 50% resistors are just higher precision resistors before they are
sorted properly.

MIchael

[Michael A. Terrell]

No, they were all that was available for consumer electronics in the
early days. They were E3, instead of the E24 system that's currently
used. 'E' is the number of values per decade. They were large, had a
rough finish and the color bands were often hand painted. Some E3
resistors used the colored body & dot system for identification. A lot
of people who work on antique radios refuse to believe they are 50%,
because they are marked with three bands, like 20% parts.

E3 - 50%
E6 - 20%
E12 - 10%
E24 - 5%
E48 - 2%
E96 - 1%
E192 - .1%

[Mike Kaddaver]

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
news:mYqdnTsMV5ZlIg7M...@giganews.com...

I have heard that a good slap up side the head can correct vision problems.
Tim, I'm sure you have had a few of these ;-)

[Cydrome Leader]

It is pretty amazing how some flourescent bulbs are missing
colors.

GE Chroma 50 bulbs are always a safe bet. CF and LEDs can be
some of the worst.

The most garish and controlled lighting I've ever seen is on some of the
public transit busses in Chicago. They have 4 foot LED modules in place of
flourescent bulbs. Not only did they use the cheapest, crappiest "white"
LEDs that are just blue/purple only in color, the strips they're mounted
on jump around and wobble like a jumprope in the fixtures causing
everything to flicker. It's was definitely amatuer night over at the
Chicago Transit Authority.

I'm guessing the crappy busses they're mounted in will rattle apart in the
not too near future and those horrible things will be gone.

Over in the real business world, they installed LED lighting in the
elevators at work as part of some those two faced "green" campaigns. They
tell the tennants about how they love the earth, but the building
engineer simply stated that not replacing bulbs all the time saves a ton
of money in labor costs. It's a union building so there's one guy to push
the lightbulb cart around, and another to carry the ladder. The ladder
porter stands around when the cart pusher replaces the bulbs. There was
probably a third guy at one point. I suspect this "team" is billable time
to tennants once they enter an office and are not doing work in common
areas.

Then a week later they actually installed hand cutout plastic filters to
make the lighting more balanced, and elevator like, and less like the
inside jewelry display case. It's better looking than the original
incandescent bulbs they originally had. At least somebody still pays minor
attention to details.

[T]

In article <knsilu$3bf$1...@reader1.panix.com>, pres...@MUNGEpanix.com
says...

Don't blame CTA per se. Blame the bus manufacturer. One of the two
biggest doing business in the U.S. right now is Gillig and Nova.

Both use the cheapo LED's.