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The Cable News "Fascist-Socialist" Apocalypse - What’s the Difference Between Fascism, Socialism, and Communism?
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Immortalist
Jun 7, 2012, 11:21:40 AM6/7/12
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Amid economic crisis, is America drifting toward socialism? Or
fascism? Or some "weirdo" hybrid of both?! Only cable McNews has the
answer...
...With all the confusion out there today on the part of the
Chronically Confused Conservatives of our times, I though I would try
to put together a simple comparison of the three terms they confuse
the most for Democracy.
Fascism
Let’s start with the most easily confused. Fascism.
Fascism is best described as a merging of corporate and government
interests. In simpler terms, it’s when corporations have taken over
the government. This is also called a Oligarchy because the wealthy
control the entire country. Mussolini states that the corporations
were the most important part of a country and that the government
should work with them to make a better country. He created this merger
and called it Fascism to differentiate it from Socialism.
One of the signature characteristics of Fascism is “belligerent
nationalism.” This is the practice of saying our country is
exceptional and don’t you dare tell me otherwise.
Another, more modern term for Fascism is Corporatism.
Well, if Fascism isn’t Socialism, then what is Socialism?
Socialism
Socialism is where people are directly involved in the production of
goods and services, things like cooperatives where the workers are the
owners of the businesses. This doesn’t mean the government owns and
manages the businesses. The business exists for the sake of providing
for society, or the social good.
We’ve posted here many times about the socialistic bent of America’s
forefathers. Socialism was such a fundamental inclination that our
government is defined as “We The People.”
The corporatists in America try to hide this fact and purposely
confuse socialism with fascism and communism.
Communism
The easiest way to think of Communism is the requirement that private
property is not allowed. No one owns anything. Everything is owned by
the government. The general idea is that the people, in turn, own the
government. But in practice, this obviously doesn’t work, at last not
in large scale.
However, it’s important to realize that Communism works quite well in
some small communities.
So, now, tell me, which of these three best describes America, today?
Do we outlaw private property (Communism)? No, so I guess that one is
out. Do we encourage public ownership of businesses and services
(Socialism)? Heck, we don’t even want to allow unions, let alone
shared profits and management, so I guess this one is out as well. So
what is left? Are we becoming Fascist? Do you see the corporate media
spouting belligerent nationalism? Are we constantly threatening and
invading other countries because we’re somehow special? Does the
corporate media sell us on invading one country after another?
Have corporations taken over our government? Are we told to oppose any
welfare or services for the people while we’re told that corporations
should have unlimited influence over our government and have unlimited
corporate welfare?
Even if you’re a rabid tea bagger only firing on half your cylinders,
you can’t deny the fact that the Republican party is the party that is
Fascist and they’re succeeding at bringing this country down the road
of Fascism.
Does “We The People” sound like anything the Republican party wants to
give more power to? In fact, isn’t that the party that is working
overtime to disenfranchise millions of potential voters? Oh, my gosh,
I guess they are.
http://www.freepress.net/fascist_socialism
http://www.just-say-why.com/blog/index.php/2012/04/21/whats-the-difference-between-fascism-socialism-and-communism/
fascism? Or some "weirdo" hybrid of both?! Only cable McNews has the
answer...
...With all the confusion out there today on the part of the
Chronically Confused Conservatives of our times, I though I would try
to put together a simple comparison of the three terms they confuse
the most for Democracy.
Fascism
Let’s start with the most easily confused. Fascism.
Fascism is best described as a merging of corporate and government
interests. In simpler terms, it’s when corporations have taken over
the government. This is also called a Oligarchy because the wealthy
control the entire country. Mussolini states that the corporations
were the most important part of a country and that the government
should work with them to make a better country. He created this merger
and called it Fascism to differentiate it from Socialism.
One of the signature characteristics of Fascism is “belligerent
nationalism.” This is the practice of saying our country is
exceptional and don’t you dare tell me otherwise.
Another, more modern term for Fascism is Corporatism.
Well, if Fascism isn’t Socialism, then what is Socialism?
Socialism
Socialism is where people are directly involved in the production of
goods and services, things like cooperatives where the workers are the
owners of the businesses. This doesn’t mean the government owns and
manages the businesses. The business exists for the sake of providing
for society, or the social good.
We’ve posted here many times about the socialistic bent of America’s
forefathers. Socialism was such a fundamental inclination that our
government is defined as “We The People.”
The corporatists in America try to hide this fact and purposely
confuse socialism with fascism and communism.
Communism
The easiest way to think of Communism is the requirement that private
property is not allowed. No one owns anything. Everything is owned by
the government. The general idea is that the people, in turn, own the
government. But in practice, this obviously doesn’t work, at last not
in large scale.
However, it’s important to realize that Communism works quite well in
some small communities.
So, now, tell me, which of these three best describes America, today?
Do we outlaw private property (Communism)? No, so I guess that one is
out. Do we encourage public ownership of businesses and services
(Socialism)? Heck, we don’t even want to allow unions, let alone
shared profits and management, so I guess this one is out as well. So
what is left? Are we becoming Fascist? Do you see the corporate media
spouting belligerent nationalism? Are we constantly threatening and
invading other countries because we’re somehow special? Does the
corporate media sell us on invading one country after another?
Have corporations taken over our government? Are we told to oppose any
welfare or services for the people while we’re told that corporations
should have unlimited influence over our government and have unlimited
corporate welfare?
Even if you’re a rabid tea bagger only firing on half your cylinders,
you can’t deny the fact that the Republican party is the party that is
Fascist and they’re succeeding at bringing this country down the road
of Fascism.
Does “We The People” sound like anything the Republican party wants to
give more power to? In fact, isn’t that the party that is working
overtime to disenfranchise millions of potential voters? Oh, my gosh,
I guess they are.
http://www.freepress.net/fascist_socialism
http://www.just-say-why.com/blog/index.php/2012/04/21/whats-the-difference-between-fascism-socialism-and-communism/
tooly
Jun 7, 2012, 6:39:15 PM6/7/12
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On Jun 7> Does “We The People” sound like anything the Republican
Modern political science does not address homogenity. The prevailing
hegemony dismisses it altogether as 'wrongness' to 'want' to aggregate
with one's own kind [whatever it is]. I argue that human nature
expresses itself 'whatever it is' by aggregating where it's senses
takes it to satisfy common want.
No matter what system people live under, the main objective of
servitude and struggle is for their own family unit. But we are
complex creatures with great sense of abstraction, whereupon, that
familial 'center point' expands outward to provide a growing sense of
self and identity...what some call the 'tribal' identity [but
expresses itself from family to clan to community, to region, to
nation...eventually, yes to include, on a very loose cohesive level,
humanity itself. Environmentalism even perhaps suggests an expanding
'awareness' of self that even goes beyond the species to include
responsible motif for all life around us [at least to that point we
must depend on it for our own survival].
The point here is 'centeredness'. The question is, how far afield can
we address societal cohesion across the many 'center points' of human
identity in the world...ergo, just what is the efficacy of
'multiculturalism'?
It's the elephant in the room no one wants to address, for the
prevailing hegemony does not allow it. In fact, such an artifact as
multiculturism, for convenience and expediency has been forced upon
the world, and though it does work to some degree [just as the various
forms of political oversight have some merit as Immort writes], IS IT
WORKING WELL? Is today's hegemony the correct one, that aligns itself
not just with 'wishful thinking' and some idealists vision for a
better world, but also the NATURAL order of human desire and
want...that part that is instinctive, created over many millenia for
natural reasons we cannot decipher well, if at all.
And THAT is the deeper problem in today's world. If one looks
closely, what we have are communities WITHIN communities, within
communities that have developed, and some communities quite obliged to
compete voraciously against some other communties...all under some
packaged concept of a single society. Government alone does NOT
explain what a society is, what a NATION is...nor geography, or
borders. Language, culture, heritage...yes, no matter what anyone
WANTS to think, RACE does enter into the equation.
These 'communities' do NOT exist on equal footing the world, not for
government oversight reasons, but for natural order by the
evolutionary stresses that created them over time. One GARGANTUAN
problem of socialism, is that this 'natural unequal' order creates the
very real possiblity of PARASITISM across those centered communities,
where one community must be supported by other communities to create
this artifical 'equal footing' that socialism demands.
This sounds coarse and cruel..but that's the brass tax of things.
Under Obamacare, just WHO are thoese 30 million uninsured people out
there? Are they me and mine? We live in a world of scarce resources,
and no family member minds too much if their hard won resources
gained, are expended toward their OWN. But again, how far afield can
such empathic reach go? I feel for starving people in
Bangladesh...but I feel NO responsiblity whatsoever, except perhaps to
throw a nickle or dime in some collection cup somewhere.
Socialism under acute multiculural societies, creates real PARASITIC
relationships across peoples. And let's all be honest here...there's
nothing better any black man would LOVE than to STEAL away the white
man's woman to somehow vindicate his suffering over time [which of
course he blames on racism, but on a world view, was just nature
itself being unfair in evolution...except of course, to give him a big
dick and why not use it to his advantage now when God has been thrown
overboard and no longer matters]. To the evil of all evils [from my
eyes anyway], such strategy seems to be working, as white woman,
convinced by marxists to strive for her own empowerment, has been led
to see such empowerment is choosing the black man for her new sexual
concubine.
So, it's not all about social systems and what kind of government we
want. There are deeper things going on out here in the hinterland
that underride much of the political debate going on. I, a staunch
conservative, initially cheered on universal health care [socialism],
as I watched on a friend dying from cancer had to work right up until
the day he passed. But I considered what socialism means in a
multicultural society as we have, where there is a wide spectrum of
productivity, and a large community of underachievers. LBJ showed how
social welfare under his Great Society, though well meant, was a
horrible impact upon that black community that tore it's family unit
asunder [something like 70% of black children are from unwed mothers
even today].
Obamacare was not about 'health care'...but about TRANSFERING WEALTH
from one community [mine] to another [essentially blacks his intent,
but also any underachieving community in this wide stretching
multiculture, ergo, hispanics as well].
I realize absolute NO ONE will agree with any of this; because YOU
CAN'T. You have all been programmed now, like dogs with blinders on,
to automatically REJECT this truth of things and to castigate anyone
[me] attempting to address the problem in a real way as 'evil, bad,
corrupt, scumbag, nazi, fascist pig, bigoted no good, villian'.
But until we address this problem, no system is gonna work all that
well. GI JOE said, 'Now you know, and knowing is half the problem'.
Well, you all already KNOW deep within. The worse of it, is that the
white man IS indeed losing his counterpart in the world, his white
woman...and as an analogy I find some merit in, his HIVE is being
transformed slowly to something much less civil and more volatile much
like european honey bee hives are taken over by African strain bees
through REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. The African bees simply crowd out the
male honey bees I have read, to where they can no longer get at the
queen...and then THEY mate with her, and wala...a new HYBRID hive is
created, no longer domesticated, but wild and dangerous.
Western Civilization becoming wild and dangerous? Well, the analogy
is a stretch, I admit...but seems quite appropriate nonetheless.
Blacks not only make up 70-80% of our professional sports teams, but
also our prisons as well.
Can anyone save this day? Or is the END near? Sometimes I think it's
this world itself; just a horrible place; I mean, the food chain is
predatory after all...something eats something that eats else etc
etc.on down the line. And I suppose there are many ways to 'get
eaten' [like losing your mating counterpart to some jamoke with a long
dick, ha].
party wants to
> give more power to? In fact, isn’t that the party that is working
> overtime to disenfranchise millions of potential voters? Oh, my gosh,
> I guess they are.
>
> http://www.freepress.net/fascist_socialismhttp://www.just-say-why.com/blog/index.php/2012/04/21/whats-the-diffe...
> give more power to? In fact, isn’t that the party that is working
> overtime to disenfranchise millions of potential voters? Oh, my gosh,
> I guess they are.
>
Modern political science does not address homogenity. The prevailing
hegemony dismisses it altogether as 'wrongness' to 'want' to aggregate
with one's own kind [whatever it is]. I argue that human nature
expresses itself 'whatever it is' by aggregating where it's senses
takes it to satisfy common want.
No matter what system people live under, the main objective of
servitude and struggle is for their own family unit. But we are
complex creatures with great sense of abstraction, whereupon, that
familial 'center point' expands outward to provide a growing sense of
self and identity...what some call the 'tribal' identity [but
expresses itself from family to clan to community, to region, to
nation...eventually, yes to include, on a very loose cohesive level,
humanity itself. Environmentalism even perhaps suggests an expanding
'awareness' of self that even goes beyond the species to include
responsible motif for all life around us [at least to that point we
must depend on it for our own survival].
The point here is 'centeredness'. The question is, how far afield can
we address societal cohesion across the many 'center points' of human
identity in the world...ergo, just what is the efficacy of
'multiculturalism'?
It's the elephant in the room no one wants to address, for the
prevailing hegemony does not allow it. In fact, such an artifact as
multiculturism, for convenience and expediency has been forced upon
the world, and though it does work to some degree [just as the various
forms of political oversight have some merit as Immort writes], IS IT
WORKING WELL? Is today's hegemony the correct one, that aligns itself
not just with 'wishful thinking' and some idealists vision for a
better world, but also the NATURAL order of human desire and
want...that part that is instinctive, created over many millenia for
natural reasons we cannot decipher well, if at all.
And THAT is the deeper problem in today's world. If one looks
closely, what we have are communities WITHIN communities, within
communities that have developed, and some communities quite obliged to
compete voraciously against some other communties...all under some
packaged concept of a single society. Government alone does NOT
explain what a society is, what a NATION is...nor geography, or
borders. Language, culture, heritage...yes, no matter what anyone
WANTS to think, RACE does enter into the equation.
These 'communities' do NOT exist on equal footing the world, not for
government oversight reasons, but for natural order by the
evolutionary stresses that created them over time. One GARGANTUAN
problem of socialism, is that this 'natural unequal' order creates the
very real possiblity of PARASITISM across those centered communities,
where one community must be supported by other communities to create
this artifical 'equal footing' that socialism demands.
This sounds coarse and cruel..but that's the brass tax of things.
Under Obamacare, just WHO are thoese 30 million uninsured people out
there? Are they me and mine? We live in a world of scarce resources,
and no family member minds too much if their hard won resources
gained, are expended toward their OWN. But again, how far afield can
such empathic reach go? I feel for starving people in
Bangladesh...but I feel NO responsiblity whatsoever, except perhaps to
throw a nickle or dime in some collection cup somewhere.
Socialism under acute multiculural societies, creates real PARASITIC
relationships across peoples. And let's all be honest here...there's
nothing better any black man would LOVE than to STEAL away the white
man's woman to somehow vindicate his suffering over time [which of
course he blames on racism, but on a world view, was just nature
itself being unfair in evolution...except of course, to give him a big
dick and why not use it to his advantage now when God has been thrown
overboard and no longer matters]. To the evil of all evils [from my
eyes anyway], such strategy seems to be working, as white woman,
convinced by marxists to strive for her own empowerment, has been led
to see such empowerment is choosing the black man for her new sexual
concubine.
So, it's not all about social systems and what kind of government we
want. There are deeper things going on out here in the hinterland
that underride much of the political debate going on. I, a staunch
conservative, initially cheered on universal health care [socialism],
as I watched on a friend dying from cancer had to work right up until
the day he passed. But I considered what socialism means in a
multicultural society as we have, where there is a wide spectrum of
productivity, and a large community of underachievers. LBJ showed how
social welfare under his Great Society, though well meant, was a
horrible impact upon that black community that tore it's family unit
asunder [something like 70% of black children are from unwed mothers
even today].
Obamacare was not about 'health care'...but about TRANSFERING WEALTH
from one community [mine] to another [essentially blacks his intent,
but also any underachieving community in this wide stretching
multiculture, ergo, hispanics as well].
I realize absolute NO ONE will agree with any of this; because YOU
CAN'T. You have all been programmed now, like dogs with blinders on,
to automatically REJECT this truth of things and to castigate anyone
[me] attempting to address the problem in a real way as 'evil, bad,
corrupt, scumbag, nazi, fascist pig, bigoted no good, villian'.
But until we address this problem, no system is gonna work all that
well. GI JOE said, 'Now you know, and knowing is half the problem'.
Well, you all already KNOW deep within. The worse of it, is that the
white man IS indeed losing his counterpart in the world, his white
woman...and as an analogy I find some merit in, his HIVE is being
transformed slowly to something much less civil and more volatile much
like european honey bee hives are taken over by African strain bees
through REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. The African bees simply crowd out the
male honey bees I have read, to where they can no longer get at the
queen...and then THEY mate with her, and wala...a new HYBRID hive is
created, no longer domesticated, but wild and dangerous.
Western Civilization becoming wild and dangerous? Well, the analogy
is a stretch, I admit...but seems quite appropriate nonetheless.
Blacks not only make up 70-80% of our professional sports teams, but
also our prisons as well.
Can anyone save this day? Or is the END near? Sometimes I think it's
this world itself; just a horrible place; I mean, the food chain is
predatory after all...something eats something that eats else etc
etc.on down the line. And I suppose there are many ways to 'get
eaten' [like losing your mating counterpart to some jamoke with a long
dick, ha].
Bret Cahill
Jun 7, 2012, 7:43:00 PM6/7/12
to
Bret Cahill
Jun 7, 2012, 7:41:52 PM6/7/12
to
Why waste time making distinctions that really don't matter much?
All the isms are bad.
We need to just support Jeffersonian democracy.
Bret Cahill
"In America man exploits man. In the U.S.S.R it's the other way
around."
-- Soviet era joke.
All the isms are bad.
We need to just support Jeffersonian democracy.
Bret Cahill
"In America man exploits man. In the U.S.S.R it's the other way
around."
-- Soviet era joke.
Zerkon
Jun 10, 2012, 9:11:56 AM6/10/12
to
In article <b7116ed6-beb9-4fc4-bed7-2ab09d8cbc85
@f9g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>, reanima...@yahoo.com says...
> is America drifting toward
>
You know, framing these types of things inside a perpetual state of
potential is, in a way, counter-productive.
"Drifting towards" from where? No apocalypse can ever come, it's is a
Zeno paradox. Freedoms are always 'being threatened' the enemy is always
coming, America is always going towards or becoming...
Here is an counter-example: America is now, at this very moment, a
plutocratic kleptocracy. Not 'drifting towards', is not being
'threatened by' or is anyone "coming to take things" from anyone. It is
here. It is now. It is how it is.
@f9g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>, reanima...@yahoo.com says...
> is America drifting toward
>
You know, framing these types of things inside a perpetual state of
potential is, in a way, counter-productive.
"Drifting towards" from where? No apocalypse can ever come, it's is a
Zeno paradox. Freedoms are always 'being threatened' the enemy is always
coming, America is always going towards or becoming...
Here is an counter-example: America is now, at this very moment, a
plutocratic kleptocracy. Not 'drifting towards', is not being
'threatened by' or is anyone "coming to take things" from anyone. It is
here. It is now. It is how it is.
Christopher Helms
Jun 10, 2012, 10:01:59 AM6/10/12
to
On Jun 7, 10:21 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Amid economic crisis, is America drifting toward socialism? Or
> fascism? Or some "weirdo" hybrid of both?! Only cable McNews has the
> answer...
>
> ...With all the confusion out there today on the part of the
> Chronically Confused Conservatives of our times, I though I would try
> to put together a simple comparison of the three terms they confuse
> the most for Democracy.
>
> Fascism
>
> Let’s start with the most easily confused. Fascism.
>
> Fascism is best described as a merging of corporate and government
> interests. In simpler terms, it’s when corporations have taken over
> the government. This is also called a Oligarchy because the wealthy
> control the entire country. Mussolini states that the corporations
> were the most important part of a country and that the government
> should work with them to make a better country. He created this merger
> and called it Fascism to differentiate it from Socialism.
>
> One of the signature characteristics of Fascism is “belligerent
> nationalism.” This is the practice of saying our country is
> exceptional and don’t you dare tell me otherwise.
"Belligerent Nationalism" is called "American Exceptionalism" among
> Amid economic crisis, is America drifting toward socialism? Or
> fascism? Or some "weirdo" hybrid of both?! Only cable McNews has the
> answer...
>
> ...With all the confusion out there today on the part of the
> Chronically Confused Conservatives of our times, I though I would try
> to put together a simple comparison of the three terms they confuse
> the most for Democracy.
>
> Fascism
>
> Let’s start with the most easily confused. Fascism.
>
> Fascism is best described as a merging of corporate and government
> interests. In simpler terms, it’s when corporations have taken over
> the government. This is also called a Oligarchy because the wealthy
> control the entire country. Mussolini states that the corporations
> were the most important part of a country and that the government
> should work with them to make a better country. He created this merger
> and called it Fascism to differentiate it from Socialism.
>
> One of the signature characteristics of Fascism is “belligerent
> nationalism.” This is the practice of saying our country is
> exceptional and don’t you dare tell me otherwise.
right wingers and they have built a whole cult around it. It's their
go-to excuse to do whatever the hell they please. Letting corporations
run everything might not be a bad idea if corporations gave a rats ass
about anything other than their bottom lines. Unfortunately, since
they don't care about the country or the people who live in it,
letting them literally make their own laws like Republicans do ends up
being almost suicidal to the economy and the country. They use brain
dead Republicans to give themselves bailouts, handouts, tax abatements
and whatever else they can think of and in effect make every taxpayer
go to work for them gratis, while they themselves pay no taxes while
bitching about an imaginary 35% corporate tax rate that is "Making the
nation uncompetitive," even though they don't pay it. Republicans have
made corporations into trillion dollar a year Welfare Queens that do
nothing except kill jobs and bitch about how tough they've got
it.
Immortalist
Jun 10, 2012, 12:11:14 PM6/10/12
to
complaint, why do liberals complain that use of the term Fascism is
politically incorrect?
Bret Cahill
Jun 10, 2012, 1:10:25 PM6/10/12
to
identified in Montesquieu's _Spirit of Laws_ (1748). Despotism
includes communism and libertarianism, both low tax low freedom anti-
free speech anti-democratic nightmares.
Bret Cahill
Bret Cahill
Jun 10, 2012, 1:28:30 PM6/10/12
to
> > One of the signature characteristics of Fascism is “belligerent
> > nationalism.” This is the practice of saying our country is
> > exceptional and don’t you dare tell me otherwise.
>
> "Belligerent Nationalism" is called "American Exceptionalism" among
> right wingers and they have built a whole cult around it.
It's supposed to provide "patriotism cover" for the rich who are
> > nationalism.” This is the practice of saying our country is
> > exceptional and don’t you dare tell me otherwise.
>
> "Belligerent Nationalism" is called "American Exceptionalism" among
> right wingers and they have built a whole cult around it.
"patriotically" stashing their billions from "patriotic" GOP tax cuts
for the rich in "patriotic" overseas accounts.
That's the reason BushCo "patriotically" bankrupted the U. S. by
wasting trillions on "patriotic" quagmires of mass distraction:
"Patriotic" tax cuts for the rich.
Even many get-rich-quick-with-the-Gipster era teabaggers are getting
ready to toss that one under the bus.
Don't go to the GOP convention in Tampa but if you must go, wear
Kevlar and sit next to an exit. Ron Paul looneytarians with AK-47s
and 95/95 temp./rel.humid weather ain't a smart combo.
And remember when a teabagger yells "yer just like Hitler!" to a
neocon to hit the floor. It may be too late to bolt.
There will be a price to pay for the cumulative lies, deceptions and
obfuscations put out by the GOP and other rich including the lies by
omission and lies by hype of the 0.01% media.
Bret Cahill
BeamMeUpScotty
Jun 10, 2012, 9:20:07 PM6/10/12
to
On 6/10/2012 9:11 AM, Zerkon wrote:
> In article <b7116ed6-beb9-4fc4-bed7-2ab09d8cbc85
> @f9g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>, reanima...@yahoo.com says...
>> is America drifting toward
>>
>
> You know, framing these types of things inside a perpetual state of
> potential is, in a way, counter-productive.
>
> "Drifting towards" from where? No apocalypse can ever come,
it will be what creates the opening for world war "The Real
> In article <b7116ed6-beb9-4fc4-bed7-2ab09d8cbc85
> @f9g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>, reanima...@yahoo.com says...
>> is America drifting toward
>>
>
> You know, framing these types of things inside a perpetual state of
> potential is, in a way, counter-productive.
>
> "Drifting towards" from where? No apocalypse can ever come,
Apocalypse".... The economy won't be "THE" apocalypse, it will be the
catalyst.
> it's is a
> Zeno paradox. Freedoms are always 'being threatened' the enemy is always
> coming, America is always going towards or becoming...
bad things.
> Here is an counter-example: America is now, at this very moment, a
> plutocratic kleptocracy. Not 'drifting towards', is not being
> 'threatened by' or is anyone "coming to take things" from anyone. It is
> here. It is now. It is how it is.
unemployed and Now the world hates us more than when Bush was President.
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*He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-
-Kum bay ya- ☠
Christopher Helms
Jun 10, 2012, 9:25:58 PM6/10/12
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