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[adacrypt] Towards a secure, vector-oriented cryptosystem
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Owen Jacobson
Feb 12, 2012, 7:35:09 PM2/12/12
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I got to wondering how hard it would be to write a
possibly-actually-secure vector-based cryptosystem at a similar level
of sophistication as adacrypt's efforts. It turns out the answer is
"not very". I present, for your consideration, the kid-sister
cryptosystem "vector-otp".
README:
<https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/raw/posted-2012-02-12-1/README>
Source:
<https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/get/posted-2012-02-12-1.zip>
Browse source online:
<https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/src/posted-2012-02-12-1>
Feedback, screams of horror, and adulation all welcome. ;)
-o
(Adacrypt: if you're reading this, I've got a challenge for you - break
my cipher. I'll provide as many plaintext/ciphertext pairs as you like,
plus one ciphertext-only document; if you can identify -- or produce in
whole -- the plaintext corresponding to the ciphertext, then you will
have definitely shown my cipher to be flawed.)
possibly-actually-secure vector-based cryptosystem at a similar level
of sophistication as adacrypt's efforts. It turns out the answer is
"not very". I present, for your consideration, the kid-sister
cryptosystem "vector-otp".
README:
<https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/raw/posted-2012-02-12-1/README>
Source:
<https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/get/posted-2012-02-12-1.zip>
Browse source online:
<https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/src/posted-2012-02-12-1>
Feedback, screams of horror, and adulation all welcome. ;)
-o
(Adacrypt: if you're reading this, I've got a challenge for you - break
my cipher. I'll provide as many plaintext/ciphertext pairs as you like,
plus one ciphertext-only document; if you can identify -- or produce in
whole -- the plaintext corresponding to the ciphertext, then you will
have definitely shown my cipher to be flawed.)
adacrypt
Feb 12, 2012, 11:38:02 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 13, 12:35 am, Owen Jacobson <angrybald...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I got to wondering how hard it would be to write a
> possibly-actually-secure vector-based cryptosystem at a similar level
> of sophistication as adacrypt's efforts. It turns out the answer is
> "not very". I present, for your consideration, the kid-sister
> cryptosystem "vector-otp".
>
> README:
> <https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/raw/posted-2012-02-12-1/RE...>
> I got to wondering how hard it would be to write a
> possibly-actually-secure vector-based cryptosystem at a similar level
> of sophistication as adacrypt's efforts. It turns out the answer is
> "not very". I present, for your consideration, the kid-sister
> cryptosystem "vector-otp".
>
> README:
>
> Source:
> <https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/get/posted-2012-02-12-1.zip>
> Browse source online:
> <https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/src/posted-2012-02-12-1>
>
> Feedback, screams of horror, and adulation all welcome. ;)
>
> -o
>
> (Adacrypt: if you're reading this, I've got a challenge for you - break
> my cipher. I'll provide as many plaintext/ciphertext pairs as you like,
> plus one ciphertext-only document; if you can identify -- or produce in
> whole -- the plaintext corresponding to the ciphertext, then you will
> have definitely shown my cipher to be flawed.)
<* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
> Source:
> <https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/get/posted-2012-02-12-1.zip>
> Browse source online:
> <https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/src/posted-2012-02-12-1>
>
> Feedback, screams of horror, and adulation all welcome. ;)
>
> -o
>
> (Adacrypt: if you're reading this, I've got a challenge for you - break
> my cipher. I'll provide as many plaintext/ciphertext pairs as you like,
> plus one ciphertext-only document; if you can identify -- or produce in
> whole -- the plaintext corresponding to the ciphertext, then you will
> have definitely shown my cipher to be flawed.)
< * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
Mark Murray
Feb 13, 2012, 3:22:50 AM2/13/12
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On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>
> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>
> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
exit?
M
--
Mark "No Nickname" Murray
Notable nebbish, extreme generalist.
Paulo Marques
Feb 13, 2012, 6:20:04 AM2/13/12
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Mark Murray wrote:
> On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
>> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
>> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>>
>> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
>
> The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
>
> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
> exit?
I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
> On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
>> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
>> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>>
>> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
>
> The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
>
> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
> exit?
(see "Hawking radiation") :)
--
Paulo Marques - www.grupopie.com
"Left to his own devices, he'd be /dev/null."
Owen Jacobson
Feb 13, 2012, 8:09:43 AM2/13/12
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On 2012-02-13 04:38:02 +0000, adacrypt said:
> On Feb 13, 12:35 am, Owen Jacobson <angrybald...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I got to wondering how hard it would be to write a
>> possibly-actually-secure vector-based cryptosystem at a similar level
>> of sophistication as adacrypt's efforts. It turns out the answer is
>> "not very". I present, for your consideration, the kid-sister
>> cryptosystem "vector-otp".
>>
>> README:
>> <https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/raw/posted-2012-02-12-1/RE...>
>
> On Feb 13, 12:35 am, Owen Jacobson <angrybald...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I got to wondering how hard it would be to write a
>> possibly-actually-secure vector-based cryptosystem at a similar level
>> of sophistication as adacrypt's efforts. It turns out the answer is
>> "not very". I present, for your consideration, the kid-sister
>> cryptosystem "vector-otp".
>>
>> README:
>> <https://bitbucket.org/ojacobson/vector-otp/raw/posted-2012-02-12-1/RE...>
>
> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
> <* C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>
> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
Please, elaborate.
> <* C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>
> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
-o
David Eather
Feb 13, 2012, 9:50:58 AM2/13/12
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:20:04 +1000, Paulo Marques <pmar...@grupopie.com>
wrote:
> Mark Murray wrote:
>> On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
>>> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
>>> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>>>
>>> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
>>
>> The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
>>
>> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
>> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
>> exit?
>
> I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
> (see "Hawking radiation") :)
>
Wasn't that decided to be a myth? - Hawkings paid out on a bet about it.
--
We have failed to address the fundamental truth that endless growth is
impossible in a finite world.
wrote:
> Mark Murray wrote:
>> On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
>>> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
>>> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>>>
>>> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
>>
>> The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
>>
>> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
>> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
>> exit?
>
> I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
> (see "Hawking radiation") :)
>
--
We have failed to address the fundamental truth that endless growth is
impossible in a finite world.
Robert Wessel
Feb 13, 2012, 12:30:11 PM2/13/12
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:50:58 +1000, "David Eather" <eat...@tpg.com.au>
wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:20:04 +1000, Paulo Marques <pmar...@grupopie.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Mark Murray wrote:
>>> On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
>>>> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
>>>> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>>>>
>>>> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
>>>
>>> The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
>>>
>>> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
>>> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
>>> exit?
>>
>> I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
>> (see "Hawking radiation") :)
>>
>
>Wasn't that decided to be a myth? - Hawkings paid out on a bet about it.
No, Hawking lost his bet on the black hole information paradox.
Basically whether or not information "consumed" during the formation
of the black hole is leaked by the black hole as it evaporates (via
Hawking radiation). Hawking's initial position was no.
wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:20:04 +1000, Paulo Marques <pmar...@grupopie.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Mark Murray wrote:
>>> On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
>>>> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
>>>> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>>>>
>>>> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
>>>
>>> The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
>>>
>>> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
>>> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
>>> exit?
>>
>> I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
>> (see "Hawking radiation") :)
>>
>
>Wasn't that decided to be a myth? - Hawkings paid out on a bet about it.
Basically whether or not information "consumed" during the formation
of the black hole is leaked by the black hole as it evaporates (via
Hawking radiation). Hawking's initial position was no.
Mark Murray
Feb 13, 2012, 2:03:03 PM2/13/12
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On 13/02/2012 11:20, Paulo Marques wrote:
evidence that adacrypt is accepting some input; oxygen, water,
nutrition, and its unlikely thats having much effect on his clue
supply.
> Mark Murray wrote:
>> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
>> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
>> exit?
>
> I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
> (see "Hawking radiation") :)
Well, the information content is vanishingly small, and there is
>> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
>> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
>> exit?
>
> I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
> (see "Hawking radiation") :)
evidence that adacrypt is accepting some input; oxygen, water,
nutrition, and its unlikely thats having much effect on his clue
supply.
unruh
Feb 13, 2012, 8:04:44 PM2/13/12
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On 2012-02-13, Paulo Marques <pmar...@grupopie.com> wrote:
> Mark Murray wrote:
>> On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
>>> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
>>> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>>>
>>> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
>>
>> The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
>>
>> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
>> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
>> exit?
>
> I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
> (see "Hawking radiation") :)
Something that absorbs no radiation is a "white hole", the time inverse
> Mark Murray wrote:
>> On 13/02/2012 04:38, adacrypt wrote:
>>> <* v0 and v1 are vectors drawn from a one-time pad of vectors.
>>> < * C is the resulting ciphertext vector.
>>>
>>> Your contrived rubbish starts here - no need to go any further.
>>
>> The strong similarity of this to your work is noted.
>>
>> For any observers still left - is there any doubt left that Adacrypt's
>> mind is as closed to information entry as a black hole is closed to its
>> exit?
>
> I think you are exagerating: a black hole can still emit some radiation
> (see "Hawking radiation") :)
of a black hole. And a black hole, while it emits radiation, emits no
information (well while that last comment is somewhat controvertial, all
would agree that any information it does emit is inaccessible to mere
mortals)
>
unruh
Feb 13, 2012, 8:05:51 PM2/13/12
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Greg Rose
Feb 13, 2012, 8:49:46 PM2/13/12
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In article <2012021308094397170-angrybaldguy@gmailcom>,
No, please don't.
Greg.
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Greg.
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