Need help with concealment cipher
Amitiel
steganography in every message to conceal the plain text.
The messages appear to be plain text, however lack the grammatical
structure of ordinary speech.
I assume this to be a form of a homophonic whole word substitution
cipher, maintaining (to some degree) a certain grammatical integrity
of an ordinary sentence in order to conceal the plaintext.
<SEE SAMPLE#1 AND SAMPLE#2 BELOW>
"NICETEXT" is the only software I came across that would allow this
kind of encryption, however the software appears to be much too
complex to be utilized by a large user base within a field of what I
assume to be the average skilled computer user.
Is anyone aware of any software that would automate this process (web
based or stand alone Windows software)?
Also - what would be - in your view - the most efficient way to attack
this cipher? Encrypted messages are abundant, however dictionary and
keys are not available.
Thanks a lot for your help and input!
Amitiel
SAMPLE#1
----SNIP----
Subaru body parts, chart reading and a second weight in the armored
lack. Obsolete of the Dragons of Earth are size jokes of long, small,
or regular badge. Although Kankkunen later braided his riot in
Australia and tried his reluctant player of the generation in Sanremo,
Sainz distinguished on to count a sensory machinery.
Yet, this is loner in a input, colonial subaru. This drive cares one
of the most daily active imports in the deal. He has replaced held to
Mikan as not.
China has determined one of the locally-produced cradle levels,
criss-crossed by India with a race towards japanese, american 360s,
but they are opposing mph in their footsteps as their wide turn-in
appears.
----SNIP----
SAMPLE#2
----SNIP----
Saiki and Kamui meanwhile drive always show along there always, as the
objective and also rounds Saiki was especially thus ruled that Kamui
was the one on which the feather of pilot used; later, they focus each
4-cylinder better and see encounters, subaru robin. Electronically
raised present her other eye of head, her forgettable corporation
decline her not increased for time drivers.
The contacts are a company traction in the result Taurus, 1997 subaru
impreza. Years from these fields are trained towards the models' and
wheelarches' mixture sides.
Haseo acts to destroy size, which uses him to Harald, who believes him
clutch, subaru sti performance.
----SNIP----
LCC
The response was almost immediate, somebody spoofed my account to post
stuff...
Unless you can duplicate the dictionary options in use, you are out of
luck so far as decoding goes.
You must not have been paying attention to my posts over the past few
years...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Amitiel
wrote:
Thanks Lonnie,
been checking some of your posts.
Are you aware of any available application that would fit the criteria
of coding plain text that way?
Amitiel
LCC
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 13:34:04 -0800 (PST), LCC <claylon...@comcast.net>
>
> >The response was almost immediate, somebody spoofed my account to post
> >stuff...
> >Unless you can duplicate the dictionary options in use, you are out of
> >luck so far as decoding goes.
>
> >You must not have been paying attention to my posts over the past few
> >years...
>
> >Lonnie Courtney Clay
>
> Thanks Lonnie,
> been checking some of your posts.
> Are you aware of any available application that would fit the criteria
> of coding plain text that way?
>
> Amitiel
I'm a mushroom man, nobody tells me anything. From the available
evidence, there were primitive versions on the net as of 2001. See
usenet group misc.survivalism a post which I made complaining of
peculiar email at :
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/browse_thread/thread/5d6ad64d3f05faee/c0e1efafcb006d33?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=%22lonnie+courtney+clay%22+peculiar#c0e1efafcb006d33
I have never received any feedback from anyone claiming to have
implemented any of the free specifications which I have published
through Google.
It would be rather naive to assume that no implementations exist, to
answer your question.
I would not spend too much effort on any single "message", in an
attempt to figure out what was going on. The reason is simply that
there may be only one true message buried within a stack of noisy
random word selection messages...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Ari Silverstein
> Recently I came across several forum posts that appear to employ
> steganography in every message to conceal the plain text.
Or someone could be laughing having fooled you into believing exactly
what you posted.
--
Passwords, people, they are not just for game shows. If you refuse to
make the effort to remember a few long, diverse passwords, then don't
scream at me when your FICO is 496 and your bank accounts are zeroed
out.
Amitiel
wrote:
>On Jan 18, 3:53�pm, Amitiel <amit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yes - that's what I figured too - I simply found it peculiar that even
after a fairly extensive search I couldn't find a single application
available that fits the criteria - considering the amount of those
encrypted (or simply garbage) messages floating around via formuns,
e-mails and even entire websites.
I am failtly certain that many of them are of criminal nature while
others are simply spam.
Have you ever looked into the NICETEXT application? I did manage to
find a working copy of the freeware applciation, however it is written
for the linux platform which I am unfamiliar with.
Regardless - thanks heaps for your reply.
Amitiel
Amitiel
<AriSilv...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:20:49 +1000, Amitiel wrote:
>
>> Recently I came across several forum posts that appear to employ
>> steganography in every message to conceal the plain text.
>
>Or someone could be laughing having fooled you into believing exactly
>what you posted.
There are strong indications that the posts (at least the ones I am
referring to) are encrypted according to a pattern rather that
gibberish.
This amongst other clues and indications make it highly doubtful that
the incentive of the posters is to play a joke on any receipient or
random viewer of the messages.
Amitiel
MrD
Those sections of "word salad" appended to the spams in the
misc.survivalism thread are generally considered to be hashbusters:
arbitrary chunks of garbage appended to otherwise-identical spams to
make them different, thus foiling spam-detection systems (such as Razor)
that depend on spams being substantially identical in content.
Are you saying that you think *those* are secret messages? There's
enough money in spamming to provide a sufficient motive for the
hashbuster explanation, so Occam says you need some justification for
any more elaborate theory.
--
MrD.
Amitiel
wrote:
MrD,
I do have substantial justification to believe that those message
chunks are *not* spam.
I do understand that I need to disclose additional supportive
information in order to justify these claims.
However those are rather - may I say - of a touchy nature that I
would prefer to disclose via PM rather than on the public forum.
If I do - would you have any information that relate to my initial
questions about this subject (eg. available applications, attack
strategies, origin, etc.)?
Amitiel
LCC
>
> Those sections of "word salad" appended to the spams in the
> misc.survivalism thread are generally considered to be hashbusters:
> arbitrary chunks of garbage appended to otherwise-identical spams to
> make them different, thus foiling spam-detection systems (such as Razor)
> that depend on spams being substantially identical in content.
>
> Are you saying that you think *those* are secret messages? There's
> enough money in spamming to provide a sufficient motive for the
> hashbuster explanation, so Occam says you need some justification for
> any more elaborate theory.
>
> --
> MrD.
I received only a few such messages in 2001, then very few at
intervals up to 2007, despite getting a reasonable amount of spam
email. To me, "the strange thing that the dog did in the night" is
failure to get spam on a regular basis which contains such suspicious
text. As of this date, I have a folder in my email account at comcast
labeled "weird" which contains those emails which I considered
suspicious. If you are a government official, then you are probably
already aware of that folder. I invite any government type reading
this to examine those emails, just read them the way you poke into any
other suspicious character's personal business LOL.
I have never found it necessary to generate gibberish, using a system
of context oriented acronyms myself. Whether there is anyone in the
world who can decipher what I am saying without 20/20 hindsight due to
my disclosure of the encoded messages is debatable. Put one of those
government super-computers to the simple task of deciphering the
acronym string "invitation to bash me", just to give one example. To
clarify a point, I am NOT aware of any particular person or group
with which I might be in "communication". I shoot my bow into the air,
and where the arrows land I am unaware. Occasionally, I see something
which appears at first glance to be an encoded response, but such
appearances fade away quickly upon closer examination. Just call me
"MACRO MAN" LOL.
Lonnie Courtney Clay
LCC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaiSHcHM0PA
"Show me the money!"
MACRO MAN = Most a$$holes cannot read our messages, all numbskulls...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Amitiel
wrote:
>On Jan 19, 1:15 am, MrD <mrdemean...@jackpot.invalid> wrote:
Government Official - I am not sure if I should feel flattered or
insulted... I'll work that out at a later stage... :)
Seriously - and back to the subject - I also received many of those
e-mail *spam* messages a few years ago - then at some stage they
stopped - unsure if this may be based on the improvement of ISP spam
filters or other reasons.
This however is not about garbage messages (forwarded mainly through
trojan viruses) via e-mail messages, but about forum posts and entire
web sites that contain *assuming* encoded information.
I don't want to side track but I just like to assure that I am *not* a
government official. The OP states my incentives (call it curiosity)
with no agenda but just that.
Of course I won't be able to verify that depending on the level of
mistrust.
I don't want to waste anyone's time here - so.... if you have anything
of value that relates to my initial post - would you mind disclosing
it?
Amitiel
MrD
No I don't. But if you'd care to explain your reasons to me anyway, my
real email address can be obtained by replacing "invalid" with "uk.net".
I'm interested, because if the word-salad is *not* a hashbuster, then
quite a lot of what I had previously considered spam might not in fact
be spam.
--
MrD.
Ari Silverstein
Yeah. Uh-huh. Have fun.
Amitiel
<AriSilv...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:00:17 +1000, Amitiel wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:08:00 -0500, Ari Silverstein
>> <AriSilv...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:20:49 +1000, Amitiel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recently I came across several forum posts that appear to employ
>>>> steganography in every message to conceal the plain text.
>>>
>>>Or someone could be laughing having fooled you into believing exactly
>>>what you posted.
>>
>> There are strong indications that the posts (at least the ones I am
>> referring to) are encrypted according to a pattern rather that
>> gibberish.
>> This amongst other clues and indications make it highly doubtful that
>> the incentive of the posters is to play a joke on any receipient or
>> random viewer of the messages.
>>
>> Amitiel
>
>Yeah. Uh-huh. Have fun.
Completely irrelevant and in addition doesn't make any sense....
LCC
LOL Ari -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3svW8PM_jc
KC & The Sunshine Band - That's the way (I like It)
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Amitiel
wrote:
Thanks MrD
exactly my thoughts, I'll mail you the relevant info first thing in
the morning.
Amitiel
LCC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73DZ_IdF8Ms
Isaac Hayes for Ari - thread hijack in progress!
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Ari Silverstein
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73DZ_IdF8Ms
> Isaac Hayes for Ari - thread hijack in progress!
>
> Lonnie Courtney Clay
Hey, Lonnie, a Jewish friend of mine (many moons ago) bought his limo
at a Isaac's bankruptcy auction. We would take it out every once in a
while for shits n giggles. Drive the 240 loop. Get high, high.
Gawd, it was tacky, all shag ruggy and pink and green on the inside.
Ari Silverstein
If it doesn't make any sense, how do you know it's irrelevant.
Truth is simple. You should do well with it being a simpleton.
LCC
Sorry Amitiel, I thought business time was over. If I can help in any
way, I will, but "show me the money". I get by living with my brother,
with my only income being a veteran's administration disability
pension of $985/month for being "insane"...
Ari, you might want to check out my playlists at :
http://www.youtube.com/user/ClayLC2
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Ari Silverstein
> Ari, you might want to check out my playlists at :
> http://www.youtube.com/user/ClayLC2
>
> Lonnie Courtney Clay
Tx.
Ari Silverstein
> Sorry Amitiel, I thought business time was over. If I can help in any
> way, I will, but "show me the money". I get by living with my brother,
> with my only income being a veteran's administration disability
> pension of $985/month for being "insane"...
Who says being crazy doesn't pay? lol
--
9ec4c12949a4f31474f299058ce2b22a
LCC
I have been on the gravy train since 1998, but with only 10 years to
go until age 65, I need to stop lolling about and get some social
security credits under my belt...
Check out playlist !#0 a tunes list 06, do anything for you?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Ari Silverstein
Naw, 2nd Bde LRRP USARPAC-V 5th SFG
--
http://www.ccrny.com/images/agents/tn/147x121/422_arisilverstein.jpg
Ari Silverstein
*LOL* We used to lay the one below at 90db all night long with
incoming trainees.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ClayLC2#p/c/16/V8h6lPMk9kw
<https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=Camper%20mercenary&hl=en&tbs=vid:1>
LCC
With a full head of hair, you are a young whippersnapper! Here I
thought you were an old fox like me...
What I meant was the playlist on my youtube channel. You mean the
tunes had no effect on you? Ice water in your veins or no cultural
consciousness? If you want to shoot the breeze with me, then you COULD
send emails to clayl...@comcast.net
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Ari Silverstein
> On Jan 19, 8:33 am, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:08:49 -0800 (PST), LCC wrote:
>>> On Jan 19, 7:39 am, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:36:00 -0800 (PST), LCC wrote:
>>>>> Sorry Amitiel, I thought business time was over. If I can help in any
>>>>> way, I will, but "show me the money". I get by living with my brother,
>>>>> with my only income being a veteran's administration disability
>>>>> pension of $985/month for being "insane"...
>>
>>>> Who says being crazy doesn't pay? lol
>>>> --
>>>> 9ec4c12949a4f31474f299058ce2b22a
>>
>>> I have been on the gravy train since 1998, but with only 10 years to
>>> go until age 65, I need to stop lolling about and get some social
>>> security credits under my belt...
>>> Check out playlist !#0 a tunes list 06, do anything for you?
>>
>>> Lonnie Courtney Clay
>>
>> Naw, 2nd Bde LRRP USARPAC-V 5th SFG
>> --http://www.ccrny.com/images/agents/tn/147x121/422_arisilverstein.jpg
>
> With a full head of hair, you are a young whippersnapper! Here I
> thought you were an old fox like me...
I'm older than you I think. 'Nam in '65ish. The image above ain't me
babe. lol
> What I meant was the playlist on my youtube channel. You mean the
> tunes had no effect on you? Ice water in your veins or no cultural
> consciousness? If you want to shoot the breeze with me, then you COULD
> send emails to clayl...@comcast.net
Don't do email.
> Lonnie Courtney Clay
I listened to Wild Blue Yonder but I'm a RangerBoi.
LCC
>
> Don't do email.
>
> > Lonnie Courtney Clay
>
> I listened to Wild Blue Yonder but I'm a RangerBoi.
> --
> Passwords, people, they are not just for game shows. If you refuse to
> make the effort to remember a few long, diverse passwords, then don't
> scream at me when your FICO is 496 and your bank accounts are zeroed
> out.
What's your favorite flavor of music? I could setup a new playlist. I
started to construct a series of playlists by year, starting in 1950,
but realized that by the time I was up to the 90s, the links for the
50s would probably have rotted off of YouTube...
I'm a ranger boy.
Falling is my joy.
Lookout below, coming through,
You'll sweat, I'm looking for you.
Silent as fog, in the night,
I find bad guys, hug 'em tight.
They don't protest, when we dance,
'cause I slit throats, my first chance.
Want more?
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Ari Silverstein
> I'm a ranger boy.
> Falling is my joy.
> Lookout below, coming through,
> You'll sweat, I'm looking for you.
> Silent as fog, in the night,
> I find bad guys, hug 'em tight.
> They don't protest, when we dance,
> 'cause I slit throats, my first chance.
>
> Want more?
Uh, no.
--
http://marykunzgoldman.com/2008/05/visit-from-ari.html#links
Ari Silverstein
> What's your favorite flavor of music? I could setup a new playlist. I
> started to construct a series of playlists by year, starting in 1950,
> but realized that by the time I was up to the 90s, the links for the
> 50s would probably have rotted off of YouTube...
Don't have one. I listen to a collection of mp3s that sit on external
drives, must be 10,000 of them. *Don't like country*; listen to a lot
of Russian and German classicals, audiobooks rolled in, blues, hate
jazz, 60's hard rock...
LCC
Don't like my poetry style, the presentation, or the vision of some
airborne commandos dancing in the dark?
I bet that there are a lot of Ari Silverstein in the world, but there
is (so far as I can tell) only ONE Lonnie Courtney Clay...
Lonnie Courtney Clay
Ari Silverstein
> On Jan 19, 3:52 pm, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:47:22 -0800 (PST), LCC wrote:
>>> I'm a ranger boy.
>>> Falling is my joy.
>>> Lookout below, coming through,
>>> You'll sweat, I'm looking for you.
>>> Silent as fog, in the night,
>>> I find bad guys, hug 'em tight.
>>> They don't protest, when we dance,
>>> 'cause I slit throats, my first chance.
>>
>>> Want more?
>>
>> Uh, no.
>> --http://marykunzgoldman.com/2008/05/visit-from-ari.html#links
>
> Don't like my poetry style, the presentation, or the vision of some
> airborne commandos dancing in the dark?
Yes.
> I bet that there are a lot of Ari Silverstein in the world, but there
> is (so far as I can tell) only ONE Lonnie Courtney Clay...
>
> Lonnie Courtney Clay
Special is as special does <smiley>
LCC
BE ALL YOU CAN BE - AIM HIGH AIR FORCE!
IN GOD WE TRUST - I Never Go One Day Without Examining The REAL US
Treasures...
"Special is as special does" - what could be more "special" than a
bunch of kids brainwashed into thinking that they were destined to
save the world from Armageddon? Cut loose, unsupported, scorned (or at
least shunned), weirdos, geeks, nerds, treated like roach vermin by
the powerful?
Time for the Arisians to join the Eddorians? Not quite yet, the dance
music is still playing... How's YOUR Karma?
Lonnie Courtney Clay