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Rushtown

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May 3, 2008, 7:00:25 PM5/3/08
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What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? Based on some
examples I think it is not perplexing or frustrating---but that
instead the world looks like
a magical kingdom. Examples:

I once prepared a motion for a client that had to be two documents---
the second one was needed to correct an erroneous notice in the first
one. When we had to do it again I only prepared one document,
correctly.

The client said he wanted "two documents" because that is what he got
before. I explained literally ten times why only one was needed this
time. Despite that he complained to the State Bar, he complained to
various people working in my office. More attempts to explain---to no
avail. He had to have two documents which we eventually gave to him.

Another example. I told a secretary to "Cancel all appointments next
week I am going on a trip." The next day I said, "Plans are changed,
I will be here next week." I found out that she kept cancelling
appointments after I'd told her I'd be in the office. When I asked
why she said, "Because you told me to."

And yet another one. Somehow some street bum got a hold of a filing
fee check from my office. I had signed it.
He crossed out "Court Clerk" and wrote in his name. He then came into
my office to cash it. Of course I told him "no". He was perplexed
and asked if I had signed it? "Yes". And wasn't that his name on it?,
"yes"---Then why wouldn't I cash it?

OK, only one more. A few times when I have given someone a refund
they have asked me to give them a reciept too.

This post isn't just to say how stupid some people are.

It is to illustrate what it must be like going through life with even
a slightly below average IQ. You don't know why things are done---but
you do know they are done in a certain way on certain occasions so you
feel you should insist that they be done that way again. Exactly how
the world works is a mystery to you---so such a person must feel they
are in a sort of magical existence where just saying certain words and
doing certain rituals causes
results. Like the Cargo Cults in New Guinea.

People who talk about seeing the "Black Helicopters" or how the
Government invented AIDS have this sort of existence.

CDB

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May 3, 2008, 7:18:32 PM5/3/08
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Rushtown wrote:

[life below the line]

> This post isn't just to say how stupid some people are.

> It is to illustrate what it must be like going through life with
> even a slightly below average IQ. You don't know why things are
> done---but you do know they are done in a certain way on certain
> occasions so you feel you should insist that they be done that way
> again. Exactly how the world works is a mystery to you---so such a
> person must feel they are in a sort of magical existence where just
> saying certain words and doing certain rituals causes
> results. Like the Cargo Cults in New Guinea.

> People who talk about seeing the "Black Helicopters" or how the
> Government invented AIDS have this sort of existence.

Ah, topicality. White shepherd, black sheep. Pastor and buffoon in
one package, wiggling its wagplace behind it.


Arcadian Rises

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May 3, 2008, 8:57:08 PM5/3/08
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On May 3, 7:00�pm, Rushtown <Rusht...@aol.com> axed a direct question:

> What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? �

I don't know about the other readers of this group, but for me it
ain't easy. Good think that once in a while a genious like yerself
takes his mision to enlinghten and educate seriously.

tony cooper

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May 3, 2008, 9:37:53 PM5/3/08
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On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rush...@aol.com>
wrote:

>What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? Based on some
>examples I think it is not perplexing or frustrating---but that
>instead the world looks like
>a magical kingdom. Examples:
>
>I once prepared a motion for a client that had to be two documents---
>the second one was needed to correct an erroneous notice in the first
>one. When we had to do it again I only prepared one document,
>correctly.

As I read the above, when you did it again (preparing the two
documents), you prepared only one of them correctly.

>The client said he wanted "two documents" because that is what he got
>before. I explained literally ten times why only one was needed this
>time.

Is "I explained literally ten times..." different from "I explained
ten times..."?

>Despite that he complained to the State Bar, he complained to
>various people working in my office.

What form of English is this?

> More attempts to explain---to no
>avail. He had to have two documents which we eventually gave to him.
>

You explained - ten times - that only one document was needed, and
then you found it necessary to continue to explain more times. The
person you were explaining this to was agitated enough to complain to
the State Bar and to various people in your office.

It seems to me that the person with the sub-85 IQ is the person who
could not see, after being asked for the second or third explanation,
that it was far simpler to prepare a second document and the result
would have been a satisfied client. A second document - even a
placebo for the client that would not have been submitted to the court
- would have solved the problem early-on.

>Another example. I told a secretary to "Cancel all appointments next
>week I am going on a trip." The next day I said, "Plans are changed,
>I will be here next week." I found out that she kept cancelling
>appointments after I'd told her I'd be in the office. When I asked
>why she said, "Because you told me to."

Obviously, you did not explain that you would both be in the office
and that you would like to keep your previously scheduled
appointments. The person most likely to have an IQ of less than 85 is
the person who cannot properly communicate. Secretaries who work for
martinets who accuse them of being of being of low IQ do tend to
follow the instructions they are given exactly as they are given.

>And yet another one. Somehow some street bum got a hold of a filing
>fee check from my office. I had signed it.
>He crossed out "Court Clerk" and wrote in his name. He then came into
>my office to cash it. Of course I told him "no". He was perplexed
>and asked if I had signed it? "Yes". And wasn't that his name on it?,
>"yes"---Then why wouldn't I cash it?

So you signed a check and then failed to exercise proper control of a
financial document. Not too bright, eh?

>OK, only one more. A few times when I have given someone a refund
>they have asked me to give them a reciept too.

Yes, they requested both the refund and some form of written
confirmation that the amount that they received was the correct amount
and that they were authorized to receive this amount. Sounds like a
high IQ person who has dealt with a lawyer before and knows that it is
always best to "get it in writing".

>This post isn't just to say how stupid some people are

Perhaps, but it does make me wonder about you.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Barbara Bailey

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May 3, 2008, 9:42:46 PM5/3/08
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tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in
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Agreed. Besides, every reciept I've gotten from a busines like a lawyer
(rather than simply a cash register reciept) has been a duplicate document.
I get one copy, they keep one copy. That way, we both have a record that
the money was given to me, who by, and how much it was.

tony cooper

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May 3, 2008, 9:43:42 PM5/3/08
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On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:57:08 -0700 (PDT), Arcadian Rises
<Arcadi...@aol.com> wrote:

>On May 3, 7:00?pm, Rushtown <Rusht...@aol.com> axed a direct question:
>
>> What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? ?


>
>I don't know about the other readers of this group, but for me it
>ain't easy. Good think that once in a while a genious like yerself
>takes his mision to enlinghten and educate seriously.

Rushtown has been bouncing around Usenet for years demonstrating that
his mission is to prove that you don't have to be smarter than a
street bum to pass the bar in - I think it is - (the state of)
Washington.

Skitt

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May 3, 2008, 10:48:52 PM5/3/08
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tony cooper wrote:
> Arcadian Rises wrote:
>> Rushtown axed a direct question:

>>> What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? ?
>>
>> I don't know about the other readers of this group, but for me it
>> ain't easy. Good think that once in a while a genious like yerself
>> takes his mision to enlinghten and educate seriously.
>
> Rushtown has been bouncing around Usenet for years demonstrating that
> his mission is to prove that you don't have to be smarter than a
> street bum to pass the bar in - I think it is - (the state of)
> Washington.

Naah, Andrew is in L.A.
--
Skitt
Still posting after all these years ...

tony cooper

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May 3, 2008, 11:36:44 PM5/3/08
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On Sat, 3 May 2008 19:48:52 -0700, "Skitt" <ski...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Could be. I thought that, at one time, he was either a public
defender or in the prosecutor's office in Washington. That goes back
several years to another newsgroup, though. He hasn't gotten any
smarter over the years.

Rushtown

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May 3, 2008, 11:39:05 PM5/3/08
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Whatever it is you said here, I guess you really got me, your the wise
sophisticate and I am the foolish poster.

Rushtown

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On May 3, 6:37�pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rusht...@aol.com>

> wrote:
>
> >What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? �Based on some
> >examples I think it is not perplexing or frustrating---but that
> >instead the world looks like
> >a magical kingdom. �Examples:
>
> >I once prepared a motion for a client that had to be two documents---
> >the second one was needed to correct an erroneous notice in the first
> >one. �When we had to do it again I only prepared one document,
> >correctly.
>
> As I read the above, when you did it again (preparing the two
> documents), you prepared only one of them correctly. �
>

> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

There's a comma after "correctly" making the meaning clear, as it was
to you.


Is "I explained literally ten times..." different from "I explained
ten times..."?


>Despite that he complained to the State Bar, he complained to
>various people working in my office.


What form of English is this?

It's English missing a semicolon.

"Literally ten times" means I am not exaggerating---it really really
was ten times."

Maybe I should retitle this post "What it's like going through life
being a knee jerk martinette who can't stop feeding this troll." But
thanks, outraged or pained responses are what we live on.

tony cooper

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On Sat, 3 May 2008 20:47:50 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rush...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On May 3, 6:37?pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rusht...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>> >What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? ?Based on some


>> >examples I think it is not perplexing or frustrating---but that
>> >instead the world looks like

>> >a magical kingdom. ?Examples:


>>
>> >I once prepared a motion for a client that had to be two documents---
>> >the second one was needed to correct an erroneous notice in the first

>> >one. ?When we had to do it again I only prepared one document,


>> >correctly.
>>
>> As I read the above, when you did it again (preparing the two

>> documents), you prepared only one of them correctly. ?


>>
>
>There's a comma after "correctly" making the meaning clear, as it was
>to you.

Sorry, but the comma doesn't do it.

>
>Is "I explained literally ten times..." different from "I explained
>ten times..."?
>
>>Despite that he complained to the State Bar, he complained to
>>various people working in my office.
>
>What form of English is this?
>
>It's English missing a semicolon.
>
>"Literally ten times" means I am not exaggerating---it really really
>was ten times."

You took the trouble to count the repetitions, but you were unwilling
to either prepare a document to satisfy the client or to rephrase the
explanation in order for the client to understand. Whose IQ should be
questioned here?

>Maybe I should retitle this post "What it's like going through life
>being a knee jerk martinette who can't stop feeding this troll." But
>thanks, outraged or pained responses are what we live on.

When you do, spell "martinet" correctly. Unless, of course, you are
referring to a wooden figure of Jean Martinet attached by strings to a
control bar operated by a puppeteer who makes the knees jerk.

Rushtown

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On May 3, 9:09�pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 20:47:50 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rusht...@aol.com>
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My spelling is more like a Continental Sophisticate; you sound like a
simple American cowboy.
My goodness, I thought it was just the new fish who couldn't help
biting. But some of the old supposedly wiser carps can't resist
either.

CDB

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May 4, 2008, 8:38:19 AM5/4/08
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Rushtown wrote:

> On May 3, 4:18?pm, "CDB" <bellema...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Rushtown wrote:
>>
>> [life below the line]
>>
>>> This post isn't just to say how stupid some people are.
>>> It is to illustrate what it must be like going through life with
>>> even a slightly below average IQ. ?You don't know why things are

>>> done---but you do know they are done in a certain way on certain
>>> occasions so you feel you should insist that they be done that way
>>> again. ?Exactly how the world works is a mystery to you---so such

>>> a person must feel they are in a sort of magical existence where
>>> just saying certain words and doing certain rituals causes
>>> results. ?Like the Cargo Cults in New Guinea.

>>> People who talk about seeing the "Black Helicopters" or how the
>>> Government invented AIDS have this sort of existence.
>>
>> Ah, topicality. ?White shepherd, black sheep. ?Pastor and buffoon

>> in one package, wiggling its wagplace behind it.
>
> Whatever it is you said here, I guess you really got me, your the
> wise sophisticate and I am the foolish poster.

A gentleman susceptible of being described as I did, who claims to
believe about AIDS what you said, has been in the news lately.

I am far more callous than sophisticated, and I don't think your head
is a bit tiny. Aren't you the one I heard about, with a verbal IQ the
size of a planet? I sense irony in your response, and something
almost like sadistic anticipation.

While I'm on a role, ITYM "my the foolish poster".


Don Phillipson

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May 4, 2008, 9:26:51 AM5/4/08
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"Rushtown" <Rush...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:d8e3183b-e9d4-4625...@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

> What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? . . .


> The client said he wanted "two documents" because that is what he got
> before. I explained literally ten times why only one was needed this
> time. Despite that he complained to the State Bar, he complained to
> various people working in my office. More attempts to explain---to no
> avail. He had to have two documents which we eventually gave to him.

This case suggests that a client with an IQ of 85 can if persistent
enough eventually get what he wants, despite resistance from others
who claim to know better what he needs.

The tacit complaint may be common among politicians and officials.
The trouble with people is that they do not understand what is best
for them: they will not accept guidance by their natural superiors
and stubbornly persist until satisfied on their own terms. Theologians
called this "invincible ignorance", but I suspect it has a real function
in the evolution of the species. We observe that, in this case, the
naturally superior party spent much more time and money refusing to give
the client what he asked for than it ultimately cost to provide it.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


jinhyun

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May 4, 2008, 10:03:06 AM5/4/08
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I.Q has nothing to do with it. An I.Q test measures, not intelligence,
but only what I call -- and what was generally called -- cleverness.
That's mental agility, the ability to multitask, analyse *complex*
data and so on. Intelligence which consists of the ability to
*understand* stuff and solve *complicated* problems and to get(really
get) poetry is, I'm convinced, qualitatively different. Intelligence
is about instinct which enables a person to feel and understand what
others merely know; that combined with a certain temperament, above
all a certain inexorable confidence in one's instincts, not that they
will never lead one wrong but that they are always valuable and always
to be explored. An intelligent person is also marked by his/her
ability to develop impersonal interests, i.e an interest in subjects
having nothing to do with him/her personally. There is an old adage
that cleverness is serviceable for everything, sufficient for nothing.
They were thinking of intelligence when they made that up.
Intelligence has always been rare and almost never found in Mensa for
instance. Its occurrence in ordinary people has, I'm convinced, dipped
sharply after the war. The sort of stupidity you mention is more
commonplace than we let on(Ever watch a sports interview?) and I.Q has
nothing to do with it. I've seen extraordinarily stupid clever people.
In India, that type is actually universal.

Rushtown

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> While I'm on a role, ITYM "my the foolish poster".- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Read that post again re verbal IQ---it is in the third person. I was
not necessarily talking about myself.

I am actually a humble person who knows my limitations. I had to drop
a psychology major in college because I could not pass "statistics".
I couldn't understand calculus if I spend 1000 hours studying it. I
cannot understand movie plots and have to ask my kids. "You realize
Dad, that the detective was also the only person who would know the
code?"

And after I wrote the original post I realized that I am like the
person in a magical kingdom doing things to obtain consequences I
don't understand---something I sneared at in the original post.
Example, how can a spinning disc allow my kids to score a basket in a
video game and then review what they did from any angle with a 3-D
perspective? Maybe magic is the answer.

Having made that confession I have to say that there are some
intellectual feats where I can outperform 99% of the population,
IMNSHO.

Rushtown

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> In India, that type is actually universal.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I believe that you have described a few different types of
intelligence. We have all seen math geniuses who also have believed
in nonsense.

You seem to be defining intelligence in terms of creativity. That is
only one type of intelligence.
I define intelligence as anything you do with your brain that enhances
your survival and reproductive chances.

Intelligence tests do not measureIntelligence tests do not test verbal
skills. Muhammed Ali scored in the bottom 10% of the Army Induction
test (how smart is it to "ace" that test, anyway) yet he could hold
his own in a debate with Howard Cosell.

Many math geniuses have lived in South India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanujan.
Ramanujan is not the only one. One book about him told about numerous
others from his district who had extremely high math ability.
Considering that "zero" was invented in India and India is now a
center for IT I would be interested in knowing what it is about Indian
culture that apparently fosters an intense interest in math among
students.

foolsrushout

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Rushtown wrote:

> I couldn't understand calculus if I spend 1000 hours studying it.

Unfortunately the same is true of many who manage
to pass their requisite calculus courses. They
learn which rules to apply for a given example,
and "how to turn the crank" to get the right
answer.


CDB

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Rushtown wrote:

> On May 4, 5:38?am, "CDB" <bellema...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Rushtown wrote:
>>> On May 3, 4:18?pm, "CDB" <bellema...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> Rushtown wrote:

[crosstalk]

> Read that post again re verbal IQ---it is in the third person. I
> was not necessarily talking about myself.

But you have confirmed my guess in another posting.

> I am actually a humble person who knows my limitations.

> [limitations]

Who indeed?

> [what 68 more VIQ points doesn't get you out of being sneared at
> for]

> Having made that confession I have to say that there are some
> intellectual feats where I can outperform 99% of the population,
> IMNSHO.

We're all better at some things than at others, but I can't claim to
be in the hundredth percentile for anything much. Congratulations on
the beautiful feats.

foolsrushout

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May 4, 2008, 3:25:27 PM5/4/08
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Rushtown wrote:

[...]

> Many math geniuses have lived in South India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanujan.
> Ramanujan is not the only one. One book about him told about numerous
> others from his district who had extremely high math ability.
> Considering that "zero" was invented in India and India is now a
> center for IT I would be interested in knowing what it is about Indian
> culture that apparently fosters an intense interest in math among
> students.

For some reason they're good at intangibles while lousy at
finalizing concepts by realization into substance.

Count patents issued to figure this one out.

Zero was also invented by Mayans.

Rushtown

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May 5, 2008, 1:42:27 AM5/5/08
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On May 4, 11:53�am, Chuck Riggs <chri...@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? �Based on some
> >examples I think it is not perplexing or frustrating---but that
> >instead the world looks like
> >a magical kingdom. �Examples:
>
> Snipped, but I skimmed them.
> Consider, instead, what a schizophrenic is and what difficulties she
> must encounter in life.
> So-called normal people like ourselves have no sure way of knowing
> whether our respective realities are similar (Is my blue the same as
> your blue, and so forth), but we do know that the ways a schizophrenic
> sees the world around her is unlike how any of us see them. She may
> hear voices that aren't there or see images that no one else can see
> or have an odd obsession with God, or any combination of these
> disorders.
> Is he or she necessarily unhappy with this existence, even if they are
> aware, or partially aware, of their mental illness?
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Riggs
> Near Dublin, Ireland

I once posted a question, "Would you take a pill to have schizophrenia
for a day, just to see what it was like?" Most people said "No."

In my work as a lawyer I have not only seen what I term "stress
induced paranoia" but have had a bit of an experience with it myself.
And I think that experience has given me some insight.

What happened was I had a particularly dangerous and false lawsuit
filed against me. It was so ridiculous that I filed a summary
judgment to have it thrown out so I would not have to face the risk of
a jury. The Plaintiff defeated this motion by the simple expedient of
lying and saying that her signature was not her signature---despite my
expert, the only expert, saying it was.

The judge said there was a "triable issue of fact" and I would have to
face a jury (who often behave as Robin Hood). The judge, and numerous
Appellate Court judges all indicated that they knew this was a phony
lawsuit, but "the rules require this to be resolved by a jury."

Anyway the stress became so great that I started wondering why they
were all doing it. Maybe it was a conspiracy, or they were paid off---
or they'd got together to get a little revenge for an embarrassing
reversal by a Federal Court of the California Supreme Court which I
had been involved in.

It started sounding logical; of course, all these big shot Judges
sitting aroung the California Club, to which I probably could never
even get an invite, saying, "You know that Smyth, he's in a bit of
trouble now, let's just ease his way to financial ruin." This big
conspiracy really sounded logical, "Of course they'd do this." My
friends told me "No, that's crazy, it's just the stress---settle this
case like any other." I "knew" of course that it would not settle
like any other because "they" were out to get me.

But it did. It settled for only a small amount from me because the
mediator pointed out to the Plaintiff how weak her case was.

Then I realized the pressure had induced some classical paranoid
thinking. So I understand the feelings of some of my clients, and I
have an inkling of mental illness---and it does not appear to be fun.

Mike Lyle

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Talking of intellectually different lawyers, we haven't had an attack
from Florida's prize loon for ages.

--
Mike.


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Mike Lyle

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May 5, 2008, 10:01:19 AM5/5/08
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Rushtown wrote:

> On May 3, 9:09?pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 May 2008 20:47:50 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rusht...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
[...]

>>
>>> Maybe I should retitle this post "What it's like going through life
>>> being a knee jerk martinette who can't stop feeding this troll."
>>> ?But thanks, outraged or pained responses are what we live on.
>>
>> When you do, spell "martinet" correctly. ?Unless, of course, you are

>> referring to a wooden figure of Jean Martinet attached by strings to
>> a control bar operated by a puppeteer who makes the knees jerk.
-
>
> My spelling is more like a Continental Sophisticate; you sound like a
> simple American cowboy.
> My goodness, I thought it was just the new fish who couldn't help
> biting. But some of the old supposedly wiser carps can't resist
> either.

Ah, admirable tenacity. One of the bulldog breed who won't give up
digging now he's so near the bottom of the hole.

Amethyst Deceiver

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On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rush...@aol.com>
wrote:

>What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ?

You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
--
Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary

Rushtown

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May 5, 2008, 11:11:12 PM5/5/08
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On May 5, 11:56�am, Amethyst Deceiver <s...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht...@aol.com>

> wrote:
>
> >What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? �
>
> You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
> --
> Linz
> Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
> My accent may vary

I'm trying to think back to the 4th grade (9 years old) when my IQ was
equivalent to that of an adult with an 85 IQ.

At 9 I was concerned about being "a good boy" and doing what I was
told. I didn't like girls and I told my parents everything. One year
later all that changed. So the only insight I get from remembering my
9th year is that low IQ people feel that they must obey the rules, and
not lie.
Higher IQ people know the real trick is to be good at lying and
breaking the rules; and especially to know they are most likely to
get away with it.

foolsrushout

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May 5, 2008, 11:56:10 PM5/5/08
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Rushtown wrote:

[....]

> Higher IQ people know the real trick is to be good at lying and
> breaking the rules; and especially to know they are most likely to
> get away with it.

You have it all wrong.

Higher IQ people know how to use the rules in ways that
maximize the benefit to themselves. They don't need to
break the rules to achieve what they want.

Perhaps that need to be redefined to some IQ higher
than yours?

Rushtown

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May 6, 2008, 2:22:57 AM5/6/08
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On May 5, 8:56�pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Rushtownwrote:

One of the signs that a child does not have autism is that he learns
to lie.

You are probably familar with the current explanation why man has
evolved an intelligence far higher than is needed for dealing with the
enviornment. And that explanation is that high intelligence evolved
to fool our fellow man (or more precisely to decieve the opposite
sex.).

Both sexes must built alliances, which has to involve some deception.
The way men and women must fool each other to each get what they want
(which is somewhat different in each case) is well known.

True, often following the rules and playing skillfully by the rules is
the best strategy. But knowing when the rewards outweigh the risks in
breaking the rules is also very important.

Amethyst Deceiver

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May 6, 2008, 4:58:51 AM5/6/08
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In article <173814e9-156d-41f8-9e77-18e1fc8328e8
@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Rush...@aol.com says...
> On May 5, 11:56ï¿=3Fam, Amethyst Deceiver <s...@lindsayendell.org.uk>

> wrote:
> > On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? ï¿=3F

> >
> > You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
> > --
> > Linz
> > Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
> > My accent may vary
>
> I'm trying to think back to the 4th grade (9 years old) when my IQ was
> equivalent to that of an adult with an 85 IQ.

And did you expect it to change when you grew up?

Please trim the sigs, Andrew. Someone with your towering intellect
should be able to manage that.

foolsrushout

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May 6, 2008, 8:03:18 AM5/6/08
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Rushtown wrote:
> On May 5, 8:56�pm, foolsrushout <6...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Rushtownwrote:
>>
>>[....]
>>
>>
>>>Higher IQ people know the real trick is to be good at lying and
>>>breaking the rules; �and especially to know they are most likely to
>>>get away with it.
>>
>>You have it all wrong.
>>
>>Higher IQ people know how to use the rules in ways that
>>maximize the benefit to themselves. They don't need to
>>break the rules to achieve what they want.
>>
>>Perhaps that need to be redefined to some IQ higher
>>than yours?
>
>
> One of the signs that a child does not have autism is that he learns
> to lie.

Diagnosis isn't always "the facts." Some autists are brilliant
while handicapped by the disease/condition.

> You are probably familar with the current explanation why man has
> evolved an intelligence far higher than is needed for dealing with the
> enviornment. And that explanation is that high intelligence evolved
> to fool our fellow man (or more precisely to decieve the opposite
> sex.).

Deception isn't necessarily the same as breaking the rules. In fact
in the human mating game deception is generally accepted to be
within the rules. Use Clinton as an example.

> Both sexes must built alliances, which has to involve some deception.
> The way men and women must fool each other to each get what they want
> (which is somewhat different in each case) is well known.

> True, often following the rules and playing skillfully by the rules is
> the best strategy. But knowing when the rewards outweigh the risks in
> breaking the rules is also very important.

False. At what point do the rewards outweigh the risks involved
in murder (assuming life imprisonment or death to be the possible
punishment?) IMO rules are usually broken despite the risks.

Then there's the conflict between rule sets to consider. Militant
Islam thinks it is just fine to kill others without warning so long
as that's done on behalf of their faith. At one time ancestral
Europeans held the same belief set (indeed some probably still do.)
In these cases it is the dumbest that break "our" rules.

You have so many variables in the mix that you can't legitimately
make your case. (My rule!)

foolsrushout

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May 6, 2008, 8:05:10 AM5/6/08
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Amethyst Deceiver wrote:

> In article <173814e9-156d-41f8-9e77-18e1fc8328e8
> @x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Rush...@aol.com says...
>
>>On May 5, 11:56ï¿=3Fam, Amethyst Deceiver <s...@lindsayendell.org.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht...@aol.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? ï¿=3F
>>>
>>>You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
>>>--
>>>Linz
>>>Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
>>>My accent may vary
>>
>>I'm trying to think back to the 4th grade (9 years old) when my IQ was
>>equivalent to that of an adult with an 85 IQ.
>
>
> And did you expect it to change when you grew up?

If one understands how IQ scores are derived one recognizes
that that's not a change.

> Please trim the sigs, Andrew. Someone with your towering intellect
> should be able to manage that.

I think he made a reasonable distribution.

Rushtown

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May 6, 2008, 11:01:29 AM5/6/08
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On May 6, 1:58�am, Amethyst Deceiver <s...@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <173814e9-156d-41f8-9e77-18e1fc8328e8
> @x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Rusht...@aol.com says...
>
> > On May 5, 11:56�=3Fam, Amethyst Deceiver <s...@lindsayendell.org.uk>

> > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht...@aol.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? �=3F

>
> > > You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
> > > --
> > > Linz
> > > Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
> > > My accent may vary
>
> > I'm trying to think back to the 4th grade (9 years old) when my IQ was
> > equivalent to that of an adult with an 85 IQ.
>
> And did you expect it to change when you grew up?
>
> Please trim the sigs, Andrew. Someone with your towering intellect �
> should be able to manage that.
> --
> Linz
> Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
> My accent may vary

I can almost hear your RP accent now.
PS I am only good at talking not computer stuff. Rushtown, internet
troll (aka Andrew Smyth)

Amethyst Deceiver

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May 7, 2008, 5:48:29 AM5/7/08
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In article <551fff9f-f8e4-4a7b-96c0-5fec9b537c83
@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Rush...@aol.com says...

> On May 6, 1:58ï¿=3Fam, Amethyst Deceiver <s...@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <173814e9-156d-41f8-9e77-18e1fc8328e8

> > Please trim the sigs, Andrew. Someone with your towering intellect ï¿=3F


> > should be able to manage that.
> > --
> > Linz
> > Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
> > My accent may vary
>
> I can almost hear your RP accent now.

Your hearing aid is broken.

> PS I am only good at talking not computer stuff.

And you're not particularly good at that. Never mind, eh.

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