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Watclod

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Apr 21, 2005, 11:16:03 PM4/21/05
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Hi,

It's been years since I last studied chemistry. Can anyone
enumerate the most dramatic reactions such as combining
two elements or liquid that can change its color and
especially those easily acquired and not explosive. I
wanna demonstrate to my cousin kids why chemistry is
interesting.

Also can you easily buy sodium and choloride? Can this
be found in drugstore? If not where? To make salt, do
I just combine them or do I have to put them in water??

Thanks.

Wat

Uncle Al

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Apr 21, 2005, 11:27:53 PM4/21/05
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Have the kid become a Homeland Severity jackbooted airport goon. It
pays $132,000/year at LAX - and you can take a plane without being
shaken down by jackbooted airport goons.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

Watclod

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Apr 22, 2005, 12:03:09 AM4/22/05
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You are advising the kid to take down a plane by putting
reactive chemicals on the boots or shotes mixing them while
mid air exploding a plane. You must be out of your mind, dude.
But I'm sure Al Qaeda would love your technical knowledge.
Anyway. What kind of chemicals to mix that can be hidden
in boots that can explode the fuseluge? Must he sit near
the fuel tank? Where in the plane is it located?

Wat

Wilco Oelen

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Apr 22, 2005, 2:53:12 AM4/22/05
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Watclod wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's been years since I last studied chemistry. Can anyone
> enumerate the most dramatic reactions such as combining
> two elements or liquid that can change its color and
> especially those easily acquired and not explosive. I
> wanna demonstrate to my cousin kids why chemistry is
> interesting.
Some interesting and fairly safe experiments are the following:
Take some phenolphtalein (available from some hobby shops, drugstores)
and add just a pinch to some water and shake. When you add a solution
of some washing soda or some dilute ammonia, you get a striking change
of color from colorless to bright red/pink.
A similar experiment can be done with 'juice' from red cabbage. If you
add a very small amount of dilute ammonia to the red liquid it becomes
blue. Adding more ammonia makes it even green.

Another type of reaction which may be nice is the following:
Take a spoonfull of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate, NOT the plain
washing soda), available from drugstores. Mix with some bath-foam or
shampoo and put in a bowl. Pour some vinegar on it. Your cousin kids
will love this. You get a LOT of foam and it will get quite messy.
However, this is non-toxic and non-corrosive, which can be cleaned up
with just a towel or something like that. The experiment can be
enhanced by adding a few drops of food dye or water paint to the mix of
shampoo and baking soda, before the vinegar is added.


But, please, do not let the kids play with ammonia or washing soda.
Even dilute ammonia or washing soda, when it gets in the eye can be
really harmful.

>
> Also can you easily buy sodium and choloride? Can this
> be found in drugstore? If not where? To make salt, do
> I just combine them or do I have to put them in water??

I think you mean sodium metal and chlorine gas. Taking into account
your formulation of your question, I do not think that you should do
that experiment at home with the cousin kids. It IS dangerous. Chlorine
gas is VERY toxic and easily kills you. Sodium metal is very reactive
and easily makes a fire, which is really hard to quench.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wat

Watclod

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Apr 22, 2005, 6:32:32 AM4/22/05
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Duh. Isn't it Salt is composed of Sodium and Chloride or Sodium
Chloride (NaCl). You mean to say the common salt can be separated
into sodium metal and chlorine gas? How do you separate the salt
into them??


On an unrelated question. Isn't it some explosives are composed
of two very reactive chemicals. Do x-rays in airport detect
them? How? If you enclose them in lead (which is to impenetrable
to xrays). Then airport are not suppose to detect them. How come
we don't hear of terrorists using lead shoes and bringing two
chemicals in each with the intend to detonate the plane (as
hinted by the future Nobel laureate Uncle Al).

Wat

Barry in Maryland

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Apr 22, 2005, 7:31:09 AM4/22/05
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Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction with
quite benign and readily available ingredients. Dilute Elmer's (or
other generic white glue containing polyvinyl alcohol) 50:50 with
water. Make a saturated borax solution (20-Mule Team, for example,
readily available in most stores that have laundry detergents). Fill a
small plastic cup about 1/4-1/3 (2-3 Oz/50 mL) with the diluted glue
solution. Start adding the borax solution sparingly to the glue and
stir vigorously. The borax molecules cause a cross-linking reaction
with the polyalcohol that's quite dramatic but very safe. I'll make
you do it to see what happens. Add a few drops of food coloring to the
glue before the borax and you'll get a colored substance.

Have fun.

Wilco Oelen

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Apr 22, 2005, 8:43:35 AM4/22/05
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Watclod wrote:

> Wilco Oelen wrote:>
> Duh. Isn't it Salt is composed of Sodium and Chloride or Sodium
> Chloride (NaCl). You mean to say the common salt can be separated
> into sodium metal and chlorine gas? How do you separate the salt
> into them??
Salt indeed is sodium chloride. It consists of sodium ions, Na+, and
chloride ions, Cl-. Sodium, Na, without the +, is a very reactive
metal, which really likes to get rid of one electron. Chlorine comes in
the form of molecules, consisting of two chlorine atoms, Cl2, which is
a green gas with an exceedingly choking odour. This molecule really
wants to get its hand on two electrons, so that the chloriNe molecule
is converted to two chloriDe ions.

In equations:

Na --> Na+ + e + a_lot_of_energy
Cl2 + 2e --> 2Cl- + a_lot_of_energy

Net reaction, when sodium is brought in contact with chlorine gas:

2Na + Cl2 --> 2Na+ + 2Cl- + even_a_larger_lot_of_energy

The Na+ and Cl- combine into a solid Na+Cl-, usually written as NaCl.
But in reality this contains Na+ and Cl-.

Table salt indeed can be separated in its elements again by means of a
process called electrolysis. One way to do this is by melting the salt,
such that the Na+ and Cl- ions are capable of moving freely and putting
an electric current through the molten salt. At the anode, the
electrons are taken away from the chloride ions and then the only thing
they can do is combine to Cl2 molecules again. At the cathode,
electrons are pushed onto the sodium ions and the free metal is
obtained.
This reaction cannot easily be done at home. Melting salt is not easy
at all and is quite dangerous.

You can make chlorine, however, in small amounts, by dissolving salt in
water instead of melting it. That solution also contains Na+ and Cl-
ions. For the anode, you need a graphite rod (e.g. the thin rod in a
pencil is made of graphite, another option is the black rod in an
old-fashioned zinc/manganese battery). If you connect the graphite rod
to the + side of a 4.5 V battery and you connect a copper wire to the -
side of the battery and you drip these into a concentrated salt
solution, then you'll see bubbles. At the anode you get chlorine gas
(beware, this has a really choking smell and is toxic, but in the small
amounts you make with the battery, it is fairly safe) and at the
cathode you get hydrogen gas. You don't get sodium at the cathode,
because the electrons from the cathode can easier be pushed onto water
molecules than on sodium ions:

2H2O + 2e --> 2OH- + H2

If you don't use a graphite rod, but a copper wire instead at the
anode, then the electrons are not taken away from the chloride ions,
but they can be taken away easier from copper:

Cu --> Cu+ + e

or, especially at higher voltages,

Cu --> Cu(2+) + 2e

Making chlorine and hydrogen by means of electrolysis also may be a
nice experiment to perform with your cousin kids. However, only use low
voltage and if you let them smell chlorine, be careful with that. Do
not let them stick their nose into the beaker, but whiff some of the
gas in the direction of their nose with your hands.

>
>
> On an unrelated question. Isn't it some explosives are composed
> of two very reactive chemicals. Do x-rays in airport detect
> them? How? If you enclose them in lead (which is to impenetrable
> to xrays). Then airport are not suppose to detect them. How come
> we don't hear of terrorists using lead shoes and bringing two
> chemicals in each with the intend to detonate the plane (as
> hinted by the future Nobel laureate Uncle Al).

Don't you think you are frowned upon if you enter a plane with lead
shoes??? Do you really think they do not ask anything if you have a
lead cylinder in your hand-bag?

Wilco

hanson

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Apr 22, 2005, 9:53:27 AM4/22/05
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"Barry in Maryland" <barryrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction with
> quite benign........ Have fun.
>
**All** the proposals posted thus far have no "dramatic effects"...
So, instead try this for drama:

a) Powder FeS (easily made) and pour HCl over it.
The lovely scent of H2S will clear any room dramatically fast.... or
b) Powder separately Mg and KMnO4. Mix it 50/50 gingerly.
Tell everybody to watch it closely. Ignite it. It'll produce
a short, shrill whistle sound and for drama blind everybody
for 2 minutes.... or
c) Produce or buy a bit of 11+%N Nitrocotton. Fluff it up good
and place it on you palm. Tell everybody to watch. Ignite it.
You'll get a whooshing sound, a bright yellow smokeless flash
and NOT even a warm feeling on your skin... or

Check into old chemistry books issued prior to 1960. Myriads
of such bitchen stuff in there. In great details. Then came the
1970... and Earthday with its hordes of little green idiots.
The books changed and the nobility and thrill of chemistry
died... and wuss shit with recycled doom and danger replaced
it.... Still, try to.... ENJOY CHEMISTRY ... but FUCK ENVIROS!
ahahaha... ahahahanson

Wilco Oelen

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Apr 22, 2005, 2:11:55 PM4/22/05
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hanson wrote:
> "Barry in Maryland" <barryrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1114169469.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction
with
> > quite benign........ Have fun.
> >
> **All** the proposals posted thus far have no "dramatic effects"...
> So, instead try this for drama:
>
> a) Powder FeS (easily made) and pour HCl over it.
> The lovely scent of H2S will clear any room dramatically fast
.... or make the people in the room silent dramatically fast,
permanently ...

> .... or
> b) Powder separately Mg and KMnO4. Mix it 50/50 gingerly.
> Tell everybody to watch it closely. Ignite it. It'll produce
> a short, shrill whistle sound and for drama blind everybody
> for 2 minutes
... or permanently....

> .... or
> c) Produce or buy a bit of 11+%N Nitrocotton. Fluff it up good
> and place it on you palm. Tell everybody to watch. Ignite it.
> You'll get a whooshing sound, a bright yellow smokeless flash
> and NOT even a warm feeling on your skin
This *might* be the safest of all of Hanson's suggestions, but this may
also blind you, burn you or otherwise harm you if not performed
correctly. Not to speak of the risks of making nitrocotton yourself
with conc. H2SO4 and conc. HNO3.

> ... or
>
> Check into old chemistry books issued prior to 1960.
> Myriads of such bitchen stuff in there. In great details.
Picking up a pre-1960 book indeed is a nice suggestion. Hopefully you
pick up a book, which also contains guidelines on safety.

Really, experimenting in chemistry can be fun and very rewarding, but
please only do so if you know *beforehand* what might go wrong. I
myself also did and sometimes still do experiments at home, but I
always check up the risks and try to understand what is going on.


> Then came the
> 1970... and Earthday with its hordes of little green idiots.
> The books changed and the nobility and thrill of chemistry
> died... and wuss shit with recycled doom and danger replaced
> it.... Still, try to.... ENJOY CHEMISTRY ... but FUCK ENVIROS!

Hanson, do you really want people to enjoy chemistry? Then be wise and
give good suggestions, with acceptable safety guidelines and good
disposal guidelines and do more than just whining about
environmentalism. If people obey some safety-rules and environ-rules,
then home-chemistry still might also be possible in the future. Your
attitude only makes the hostile climate against chemistry (or even more
broadly, science in general) even worse.

Wilco

Ron Jones

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Apr 22, 2005, 3:33:28 PM4/22/05
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Wilco Oelen wrote:
> hanson wrote:
>> "Barry in Maryland" <barryrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1114169469.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>> Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction with
>>> quite benign........ Have fun.
>>>
>> **All** the proposals posted thus far have no "dramatic effects"...
>> So, instead try this for drama:
>>
>> a) Powder FeS (easily made) and pour HCl over it.
>> The lovely scent of H2S will clear any room dramatically fast
> .... or make the people in the room silent dramatically fast,
> permanently ...

H2S - prone to causing olfactory fatigue (means you can't smell it after a
short time), and 600ppm is very lethel.


>> .... or
>> b) Powder separately Mg and KMnO4. Mix it 50/50 gingerly.
>> Tell everybody to watch it closely. Ignite it. It'll produce
>> a short, shrill whistle sound and for drama blind everybody
>> for 2 minutes
> ... or permanently....

I've seem this almost take out a fume cupboard window.... (sorry, fume
*hood* to you guys o'er the pond...)


--
--
Ron Jones

Don't repeat history, see unreported near misses in chemical lab/plant
at http://www.crhf.org.uk

Watclod

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Apr 22, 2005, 6:02:07 PM4/22/05
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Wilco Oelen wrote:
> hanson wrote:
> > "Barry in Maryland" <barryrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1114169469.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction
> with
> > > quite benign........ Have fun.
> > >
> > **All** the proposals posted thus far have no "dramatic effects"...
> > So, instead try this for drama:
> >
> > a) Powder FeS (easily made) and pour HCl over it.
> > The lovely scent of H2S will clear any room dramatically fast
> .... or make the people in the room silent dramatically fast,
> permanently ...


Can one predict what chemical combinations would create explosions??
What's the chemical explanations why explosives occur the way
they do. Is it because the energy of the electrons instead of
emitting as photons become heat? Pls. give a good web site that
explains the physics and chemistry of explosives. Thanks.

Wat

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

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Apr 22, 2005, 6:30:53 PM4/22/05
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Ron Jones wrote:

> Wilco Oelen wrote:
>
>>hanson wrote:
>>
>>>"Barry in Maryland" <barryrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1114169469.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction with
>>>>quite benign........ Have fun.
>>>>
>>>
>>>**All** the proposals posted thus far have no "dramatic effects"...
>>>So, instead try this for drama:
>>>
>>>a) Powder FeS (easily made) and pour HCl over it.
>>> The lovely scent of H2S will clear any room dramatically fast
>>
>>.... or make the people in the room silent dramatically fast,
>>permanently ...
>
>
> H2S - prone to causing olfactory fatigue (means you can't smell it after a
> short time), and 600ppm is very lethel.

And apparently 80ppm might make you hibernate
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4469793.stm

BTW, hanson forgot the mix of (IIRC) Ethanol and CCl4 that can be burned on the
hand without skin damage. Of course, the phosgene and liver cancer may cause
some problems but probably won't spoil the demo.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

onehapp...@yahoo.com

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Apr 22, 2005, 7:21:03 PM4/22/05
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google: chemistry explosions

Chemical combinations: this is oxidation-reduction chemistry. An
oxidizer (oxygen, fluorine, chlorine, nitrate, permanganate) wants to
grab electrons from something. This something is a fuel (gasoline,
hydrogen, methane, magnesium powder, aluminum powder).

Get a good General Chemistry book from a local college bookstore if you
are truly interested.

If you confine the pure compounds in a rigid container, they detonate
when ignited, rather than simply burning.

OneHappyMadman

hanson

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Apr 22, 2005, 9:03:59 PM4/22/05
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"Wilco Oelen" <ph...@woelen.nl> wrote in message
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> > "Barry in Maryland" <barryrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1114169469.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction
> > > with quite benign........ Have fun.
> > >
> hanson wrote:
> > **All** the proposals posted thus far have no "dramatic effects"...
> > So, instead try this for drama:
> > a) Powder FeS (easily made) and pour HCl over it.
> > The lovely scent of H2S will clear any room dramatically fast
>
[Oelen, who is paranoid and full o'shit]

> .... or make the people in the room silent dramatically fast,
> permanently ...
>
[hanson]

> > .... or
> > b) Powder separately Mg and KMnO4. Mix it 50/50 gingerly.
> > Tell everybody to watch it closely. Ignite it. It'll produce
> > a short, shrill whistle sound and for drama blind everybody
> > for 2 minutes

>
[Oelen, who is paranoid and full o'shit]
> ... or permanently....
>
[hanson]


> > .... or
> > c) Produce or buy a bit of 11+%N Nitrocotton. Fluff it up good
> > and place it on you palm. Tell everybody to watch. Ignite it.
> > You'll get a whooshing sound, a bright yellow smokeless flash
> > and NOT even a warm feeling on your skin
>

[Oelen, who is paranoid and full o'shit]


> This *might* be the safest of all of Hanson's suggestions, but this may
> also blind you, burn you or otherwise harm you if not performed
> correctly. Not to speak of the risks of making nitrocotton yourself
> with conc. H2SO4 and conc. HNO3.
> >

[hanson]


> > ... or
> > Check into old chemistry books issued prior to 1960.
> > Myriads of such bitchen stuff in there. In great details.
> Picking up a pre-1960 book indeed is a nice suggestion. Hopefully you
> pick up a book, which also contains guidelines on safety.
>

[Oelen, who is paranoid and full o'shit]


> Really, experimenting in chemistry can be fun and very rewarding, but
> please only do so if you know *beforehand* what might go wrong. I
> myself also did and sometimes still do experiments at home, but I
> always check up the risks and try to understand what is going on.
>
> >

[hanson]
> > Then came the 1970...
> > .....and Earthday with its hordes of little green idiots.


> > The books changed and the nobility and thrill of chemistry
> > died... and wuss shit with recycled doom and danger replaced
> > it.... Still, try to.... ENJOY CHEMISTRY ... but FUCK ENVIROS!
>

[Oelen, who is paranoid and full o'shit]


> Hanson, do you really want people to enjoy chemistry?
> Then be wise and give good suggestions, with acceptable
> safety guidelines and good disposal guidelines and do more
> than just whining about environmentalism.
> If people obey some safety-rules and environ-rules, then
> home-chemistry still might also be possible in the future.
> Your attitude only makes the hostile climate against chemistry
> (or even more broadly, science in general) even worse.
> Wilco
>

[hanson]
...ahahaha.... Look at that!: Oelen, a green home experimenter
and photo dark room operator with a high school chem. ken
who' is giving chem advice to the world!... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Listen up and lighten up, Oelen....
People who do enjoy chemistry do have enough brains to inform
themselves about what they are going to do. Except if they are
enviro turds or little green idiots, then they wouldn't or shouldn't
do it in the first place, but go and make a computer simulation
instead. Natural chemists, if there are any left, do have a good
sense of self preservation and they do think and automatically
take appropriate cautions, information etc. as they have done
for millennia, since ever Alchemy was born, as opposed to the
modern green shits who emerged in 1970 on "earthday"...ahaha...

Home chemists use chems in such small qtys, that "good disposal
guidelines" are just a sick green joke, sung by enviro nuts like you.
Flush your 10 or 100 gr down the sink. Period. It's good as drainpipe
cleaner, getting rid of some plant root incursions and retards the slimy
buildup of aspergillus niger in your drain. But no fish nor clam will
die because of whatever you flush down at home, you green asshole.
There have been accidents and diseases caused by sick enviro rule
shit which out-do any calamities caused by home chemists, by many
orders of magnitudes! Fuck you, Oelen, for trying to scare good folks
with your green bible attitude that forces you to proselytize that:

= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)

Now, Oelen, let me show you the following so that you may classify
yourself, before you issue your next green and fucked up
goody-2-shoe advice. With which of the following classes would you
identify yourself with:
PS:
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
(1) Green shit(s): ...the ones who advocate, promote,
support, legalize, institute and extort the permit charges,
the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax.
(2) Green turd(s):... the ones who are recipients and
beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
(3) Little green idiot(s):.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones
who think they do something for the "environment", when in
fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for (2) who
are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.

ahahaha... ahahahanson


Joshua Halpern

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Apr 22, 2005, 10:01:10 PM4/22/05
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Fill a balloon about just enough to float with hydrogen. Put it on a
long string. Do the same with helium. Walk into the lecture hall with
both and a butane soldering torch. Tie both to chairs far away from the
students and each other. The students are still talking. Light the
soldering torch. Hit the hydrogen balloon with the flame.

When everyone picks themselves off the floor, do the same to the helium
balloon. They duck, but nothing happens except the balloon bursts

Then you ask someone to feel a fragment of the hydrogen balloon. It is
wet. Why...

(PS if you have never done this practice to figure out how little H2 you
need for an artillary shell sized sound.)

josh halpern

hanson

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Apr 23, 2005, 2:11:45 AM4/23/05
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"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" <di...@neopax.com> wrote in message
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> Dirk
>
[hanson]
Yeah, you can also mix CCl4 plus CS2 and get a beautiful blue flame
that's COLD. With that you can also dramatically show the smell
of SO2 and COCl2 and give bragging rights to the audience that
they just experienced what the soldiers in WWI had to live thru:
SO2 from the flamethrowers (CS2 and Anthracene oil) and COCl2
Phosgene as one of the first Chemical Warfare agents.
Enjoy Chemistry!..... but Fuck Enviros.... Hear that Oelen!
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahanson

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

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Apr 23, 2005, 9:30:23 AM4/23/05
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Joshua Halpern wrote:

Repeat with stochiometric C2H2 and O2 for a really memorable demo.

Wilco Oelen

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Apr 23, 2005, 1:23:13 PM4/23/05
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Even sub-gram quantities need to be processed or disposed of properly.

Wow, remote chemistry can be dangerous! Look at the violent chemical
reaction up there in Hanson's head. My finely powdered Al/S/KClO3
mixture is just children's stuff compared to this!!!!

Joshua Halpern

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Apr 23, 2005, 2:46:04 PM4/23/05
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Well yes, but the flash-bang from H2 is enough for me.

josh halpern

Attila the Bum

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Apr 23, 2005, 3:56:49 PM4/23/05
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Well, I soiled my panties when there
was an explosion of crystals from
solution as I was adding, I believe,
propanol to the pot!


Atty (You would've had to have been
there, and done that, to really
appreciate the comment :-)

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

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Apr 23, 2005, 9:04:42 PM4/23/05
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Attila the Bum wrote:

I was in a lecture theatre when about half a litre of acetylene/oxygene was
ignited (detonated?). The shock was felt through the building, even though it
was in a bottle surrounded by an open metal cylinder and blast screens.

mkne...@yahoo.com

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Apr 23, 2005, 9:29:50 PM4/23/05
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Red cabbage really is wonderful. You can get many different colors,
red, purple, blue, green, yellow with different pH conditions. Vivid
colors too. If you let the solution sit, the basic colors (when pH >
7, namely the colors besides red) change, forming still more colors.

Put 50 g of red cabbage + 50 g ethanol in a blender, blend, then strain
the result through a coffee filter. This makes good colors.

hanson

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Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction
with quite benign........ Have fun.
> > > > >
hanson wrote:
**All** the proposals posted thus far have no "dramatic
effects"...So, instead try this for drama:

Flush your 10 or 100 gr down the sink. Period. It's good as drain....

[*** And now sings Oelen, a truly pathetic little green idiot ***]


Even sub-gram quantities need to be processed or disposed of properly.
>

[hanson]
.....It's good as drain pipe cleaner, getting rid of some plant root


incursions and retards the slimy buildup of aspergillus niger

in your drain. But no fish nor clamwill die because of


whatever you flush down at home, you green asshole.
There have been accidents and diseases caused by sick enviro rule
shit which out-do any calamities caused by home chemists, by many
orders of magnitudes! Fuck you, Oelen, for trying to scare good folks
with your green bible attitude that forces you to proselytize that:
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
Now, Oelen, let me show you the following so that you may classify
yourself, before you issue your next green and fucked up
goody-2-shoe advice. With which of the following classes would you
identify yourself with:

= Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
= (1) Green shit(s): ...the ones who advocate, promote,
= support, legalize, institute and extort the permit charges,
= the user fees, the enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax.
= (2) Green turd(s):... the ones who are recipients and
= beneficiaries from the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
= (3) Little green idiot(s):.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones
= who think they do something for the "environment", when in
= fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for (2) who
= are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
ahahaha... ahahahanson
>
[Oelen, the little green idiot has a split brain & forked tongue]


Wow, remote chemistry can be dangerous! Look at the violent chemical
reaction up there in Hanson's head. My finely powdered Al/S/KClO3
mixture is just children's stuff compared to this!!!!
>

[hanson]
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHA....
Oelen, first you whine about danger everywhere, and then you
feel wussy and compensate with bragging how macho you are
by posting your semi-fast burn super mix... AHAHAHAHA... ahaha...
Olen, I attribute your chemical advice, that comes out of both sides
of your mouth, to the effects that the green bible had on you, in that:


= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true ... -- Paul Watson, Greenpeace, and ......
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)

So Oelen, see how and why you are a block in the wall of the
little green idiots, a class 3 enviro, but one in class 3 of the 3rd kind
who has close encounters with/between his own 2 personalities.
This perhaps comes from you spending too much time in your
dark room where "geistige Umnachtung" may have descended
upon you because you did other than normal "developing" in there....
ahahahaha... Oelen, check to make sure that your member is still
there. It looks like it may have fallen off from over-use, fallen off
and gummed up your works. .....AHAHAHAHA.... Thanks for all
the laughs, you loveable quasi green pseudo chem-quack, Oelen.
AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson


Wilco Oelen

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Apr 24, 2005, 3:33:40 PM4/24/05
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hanson wrote:
<snipped>

I knew Hanson would bite! I knew this is putting oil on fire!
Do you bite again if I say that even micrograms need to be disposed of
properly? Is this putting even more oil on an already fierce fire?


> [*** And now sings Oelen, a truly pathetic little green idiot ***]
>> Even sub-gram quantities need to be processed or disposed of
properly

<snipped>

Hanson, do you want to impress me with your low as earth babbling and
whining? Is this supposed to be humoristic? Real humor makes people
smile. Unfortunately, it *looks* like you are so damaged that such
communication is not possible anymore. Your IQ and EQ probably have
become so low, due to excessive frustration and overwhining. What is
your message anyway? Just one topic? Why are you so frustrated? What is
the matter with you? What is behind the mask?

Channel closed.

Farooq W

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Apr 24, 2005, 3:54:18 PM4/24/05
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Wilco Oelen wrote:
> hanson wrote:
> <snipped>

> <snipped>

> What is behind the mask?

Old age?? A Persian saying goes like "Yuk peere sud aye-b" = Old age is
equivalent to hundred illnesses.

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

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Apr 24, 2005, 4:42:41 PM4/24/05
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Farooq W wrote:

Old age *is* a hundred illnesses.
More precisely, about 200.

Dr_Dickie

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Apr 25, 2005, 12:30:38 PM4/25/05
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"Joshua Halpern" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:MJwae.1519$yc.1486@trnddc02...


They did this in grad school to introduce the grad students (at University
of Florida).
One balloon was oxygen (blue), the other hydrogen (orange).
You ain't lying about the hydrogen bang. Wow!

--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov


Wilco Oelen

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Apr 25, 2005, 2:49:54 PM4/25/05
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I once did an experiment with H2 and O2 in a stoichiometric ratio of
2:1 with hydrogen produced with electrolysis of salt and O2 made with
3% hydrogen peroxide. I mixed the gasses and bubbled the gas mixture
from a little bottle under water with some dish washing soap in it,
such that I got nice bubbles at the surface of the water. Even
*without* confinement of the gas mixture and with a few bubbles of a cm
diameter I already got a surprisingly loud BANG, as soon as I ignited
the bubbles. This is quite impressive and yes, the stories about really
loud BOOMs are true!

Wilco

Michael Moroney

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Apr 25, 2005, 3:08:59 PM4/25/05
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Joshua Halpern <vze2...@verizon.net> writes:

>Fill a balloon about just enough to float with hydrogen. Put it on a
>long string. Do the same with helium. Walk into the lecture hall with
>both and a butane soldering torch. Tie both to chairs far away from the
>students and each other. The students are still talking. Light the
>soldering torch. Hit the hydrogen balloon with the flame.

>When everyone picks themselves off the floor, do the same to the helium
>balloon. They duck, but nothing happens except the balloon bursts

For more fun, make sure the helium balloon is significantly LARGER than
the hydrogen balloon, watch as they head for the hills as you approach
the helium balloon with the torch.

heh heh heh

Even better if there is such a thing as a "low pressure" balloon so the
helium balloon doesn't make that much of a pop when it bursts.
--
-Mike

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

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Apr 25, 2005, 3:20:28 PM4/25/05
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Repeat with acetylene and oxygen.
The room will go surprisingly quiet.
The blood from the ears and the wreckage are just minor side effects.

news.west.earthlink.net

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Apr 27, 2005, 1:07:09 AM4/27/05
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> Channel closed.

Channel open.

AHAHAHA... ahahahaha... did I crank you, Oelen?
You are a precious green toy to play with... ahahaha...

*** POLLUTER *** "Wilco Oelen" <ph...@woelen.nl> wrote in message
news:1114371220.0...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Nothing of consequence... except admitting that hanson cranked him,
in news:EaPae.12772$lP1....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... ,


vigorously, despite the fact that hanson politely said:
> > Thanks for all the laughs, you loveable quasi
> > green pseudo chem-quack, Oelen.
> > AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

So, Oelen, did I touch a raw green nerve in you that you did not
thank me deeply for my valuable information I anointed you with?

Oelen, isn't the real reason for your two façades because you
have green dirt on your stick, since you are dumping your dark
room chemicals illegally, daily, left and right, and poisoning all
those tadpoles and making your tulips wilt?
Your posts give the impression that you use your goodie-2-shoe
green songs as a cover-up for your illicit disposals. Bad scene,
Oelen, bad. You just gave an example why after 50 years all
those enviro shits and little green idiots still cry as loud as ever
that there is still pollution. You are a Polluter Oelen... from a few
micrograms on upwards... with no end in sight!!!!. ...no sight,
as there is no light in your own dark Hoelen, Oelen, which as I
have said, may have prompted in you

> > other than normal "developing" in there....
> > ahahaha... Oelen, check to make sure that your member
> > is still there. It looks like it may have fallen off from

> > over-use, fallen off & gummed up your works. ..AHAHAHA


> > Thanks for all the laughs, you loveable quasi green pseudo
> > chem-quack, Oelen.
> > AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Oelen, besides your total incapability that you simply cannot
fathom my wisdom, like all those other little green idiots,
is that fact that you stirred up two old geezers, Farooq & Dirk,
whom you made bitterly complain about the scores of their
own 100 and 200 geriatric illnesses. You really should now
administer to them. Be a humanitarian and Samaritan, Oelen,
but, do NOT administer to them in your dark-room, Oelen.
Instead, you 3 ought to get together, "tip-toe thru the tulips"
and sing your beloved enviro anthem:
-- it's green, green, green
-- on the far side of the hill
-- and when we don't pollute no more
-- it will be greener still......

So, see Oelen, the moral of the story is that everbody, and
especially you, should become green, ...but of the right shade.
Like the one seen on the green backs... ahahaha... AHAHAHA..
ahaha... ahahanson


han...@quick.net

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Apr 27, 2005, 1:12:58 AM4/27/05
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> Channel closed.

Channel open.

AHAHAHA... ahahahaha... did I crank you, Oelen?
You are a precious green toy to play with... ahahaha...

*** POLLUTER *** "Wilco Oelen" <ph...@woelen.nl> wrote in message
news:1114371220.0...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Nothing of consequence... except admitting that hanson cranked him,
in news:EaPae.12772$lP1....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... ,
vigorously, despite the fact that hanson politely said:

> > Thanks for all the laughs, you loveable quasi
> > green pseudo chem-quack, Oelen.
> > AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

So, Oelen, did I touch a raw green nerve in you that you did not


thank me deeply for my valuable information I anointed you with?

Oelen, isn't the real reason for your two façades because you
have green dirt on your stick, since you are dumping your dark
room chemicals illegally, daily, left and right, and poisoning all
those tadpoles and making your tulips wilt?
Your posts give the impression that you use your goodie-2-shoe
green songs as a cover-up for your illicit disposals. Bad scene,
Oelen, bad. You just gave an example why after 50 years all
those enviro shits and little green idiots still cry as loud as ever
that there is still pollution. You are a Polluter Oelen... from a few
micrograms on upwards... with no end in sight!!!!. ...no sight,
as there is no light in your own dark Hoelen, Oelen, which as I
have said, may have prompted in you

> > other than normal "developing" in there....


> > ahahaha... Oelen, check to make sure that your member
> > is still there. It looks like it may have fallen off from

> > over-use, fallen off & gummed up your works. ..AHAHAHA

> > Thanks for all the laughs, you loveable quasi green pseudo
> > chem-quack, Oelen.
> > AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Oelen, besides your total incapability that you simply cannot

Wilco Oelen

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Apr 27, 2005, 3:28:43 AM4/27/05
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<han...@quick.net> wrote:
> > Channel closed.
>
> Channel open.
REQUEST DENIED
REASON: Signal to noise ratio below signal detection threshold

<noise rejected>

hanson

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Apr 27, 2005, 10:31:27 AM4/27/05
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"Wilco Oelen" <ph...@woelen.nl> wrote in message
news:1114586923.8...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > Channel closed.
>>
>> hanson: opened Channel .

> Oelen: REQUEST DENIED


> REASON: Signal to noise ratio below signal detection threshold
> <noise rejected>
>

2nd try: Channel open.

on 1st try: AHAHAHA... ahahahaha... did I crank you, Oelen?
on 2nd try: ahahaha... I DID CRANK YOU, didn't I, Oelen?... ahaha

Cuz' you are really a precious green toy to play with... ahahaha...

Wilco Oelen

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Apr 27, 2005, 10:39:20 AM4/27/05
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hanson wrote:
> "Wilco Oelen" <ph...@woelen.nl> wrote in message
> news:1114586923.8...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Channel closed.
> >>
> >> hanson: opened Channel .
>
> > Oelen: REQUEST DENIED
> > REASON: Signal to noise ratio below signal detection threshold
> > <noise rejected>
> >
> 2nd try: Channel open.
<more noise rejected>

hanson

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Apr 27, 2005, 11:05:54 AM4/27/05
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"Wilco Oelen" <ph...@woelen.nl> wrote in message
news:1114612760.0...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

news:1114586923.8...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > Channel closed.
>>
>> hanson: opened Channel .

> Oelen: REQUEST DENIED
> REASON: Signal to noise ratio below signal detection threshold
> <noise rejected>
>

hanson: 2nd try: Channel open.
Oelen in his Hoelen: <more noise rejected>
hanson: 3rd try, opened Oelen's Mind Channel with a crowbar

[hanson]


on 1st try: AHAHAHA... ahahahaha... did I crank you, Oelen?
on 2nd try: ahahaha... I DID CRANK YOU, didn't I, Oelen?... ahaha

on 3rd try: AHAHAHA... ahahaha... HOW BAD do I crank you?

Cuz' you are really such a precious green toy to play with... ahahaha...

dgen...@hotmail.com

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Apr 29, 2005, 6:29:26 AM4/29/05
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Watclod wrote:
> Wilco Oelen wrote:
> > hanson wrote:
> > > "Barry in Maryland" <barryrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1114169469.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Not a color change, but you demonstrate a polymerizing reaction
> > with
> > > > quite benign........ Have fun.
> > > >
> > > **All** the proposals posted thus far have no "dramatic
effects"...
> > > So, instead try this for drama:
> > >
> > > a) Powder FeS (easily made) and pour HCl over it.
> > > The lovely scent of H2S will clear any room dramatically fast
> > .... or make the people in the room silent dramatically fast,
> > permanently ...
>
>
> Can one predict what chemical combinations would create explosions??
> What's the chemical explanations why explosives occur the way
> they do. Is it because the energy of the electrons instead of
> emitting as photons become heat? Pls. give a good web site that
> explains the physics and chemistry of explosives. Thanks.
>
> Wat
>

If one can not predict what chemical combinations would create
explosions, then one should really not be mixing chemicals which might
result in explosions.

Explosions result from the rapid expansion of gases. This might come
about either as a result of gasses generated in a chemical reaction, or
expansion due to the sudden heating of gasses already present. The
more sudden the expansion, or the larger the scale, the more violent
the explosion.

To demonstrate an implosion, heat a very small volume of water in the
bottom of an aluminum soda can until it reaches temperature=100 C.
Then in one swift motion, lift the can off the heating element with
tongs, empty any remaining liquid water into a sink, and plunge the
inverted can immediately into a bucket of ice water. Wear safety
goggles when performing any demonstration of this sort, though
honestly, this one is relatively safe and not likely to result in
formation of shrapnel.

Dave

Dave

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