"And that's all I have to say about that."

[Timothy Sutter]

here's the "charter as set out upon
the inception of sci.physics.electromag

===
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/sci.physics.electromag/PZqfRl8ze78
Automatic-Newsgrou...@tardis.Tymnet.COM Sign in to reply 3/6/94


Other recipients:
tymix.Tymnet.COM!uunet!tale requested that
a new newsgroup called 'sci.physics.electromag' be created.
It was approved by ta...@uunet.uu.net

tymix.Tymnet.COM!uunet!tale says:
sci.physics.electromag is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote
for
creation by 240:11 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 24 Feb
1994.

For your newsgroups file:
sci.physics.electromag Electromagnetic theory and applications.

CHARTER

sci.physics.electromag will be dedicated to the discussion of topics
pertaining to electromagnetics. These include, but are not limited
to:

electromagnetic wave theory computational EM modeling
microwave devices and circuits antenna design
electromagnetic interference biological effects
ELF and VLF fields EM measurements
wave propagation shielding
electrostatic discharge new RF devices and technology
===

here's a recent archie post;

a post that was actually marked as "abuse"


===
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/sci.chem/OijUKFXC5BE

We can see in the Ampere/Maxwell law that a photon is the Ampere/
Maxwell law as a transverse wave where the E field is the changing
electric field and tagging along is the B field as the displacement
current.

So now, in the Symmetrical Maxwell Equations we no longer have
Faraday's law as simply-- Changing magnetic field produces a electric
field. For now, we have to include a magnetic current density J term.
So in the Symmetrical Maxwell Equations, the Faraday law becomes a --
Changing magnetic field produces a electric field plus a magnetic
current density.

So what is the Faraday law in Symmetrical Maxwell Equations?

Since the Ampere/Maxwell law is a analog of the photon as a transverse
wave of E and B fields, the Faraday law is a transverse wave of the M-
field and the M+ field.
===


there ain't much of a sci.math charter to be found...

so, if anyone is breaking a "law" here,
it's the netcops who are in the wrong.

no, i'm not against law and order
and things of that nature.

i have respect for police

i have no respect for bogus net cops.

"And that's all I have to say about that."

[Timothy Sutter]

Timothy Sutter wrote:
>
> here's the "charter as set out upon
> the inception of sci.physics.electromag
>
> ===
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/sci.physics.electromag/PZqfRl8ze78

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/sci.physics.electromag/PZqfRl8ze78

[Timothy Sutter]

> > so, if anyone is breaking a "law" here,
> > it's the netcops who are in the wrong.

> > no, i'm not against law and order
> > and things of that nature.

> > i have respect for police

> > i have no respect for bogus net cops.

> > "And that's all I have to say about that."

see, but this little "flag" for abuse thing

tends to criminalize a poster based on

a single person's =accusation= of wrongdoing.

whereupon google drags its feet 'investigating' the situation

meanwhile the post is publicly -called- abusive

based on an =accusation= alone.


and that ain't "kosher"

[Timothy Sutter]

and so,... once again...[drumroll]


"google sucks"


sort of like "guilty until proven innocent"



"that man killed my dog"


""bind him hand and foot and throw him in the river,
and if he floats, we'll know he was innocent""



=not= "kosher"

[Mahipal]

On Nov 4, 7:01 am, Timothy Sutter <a202...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > > so, if anyone is breaking a "law" here,
> > > it's the netcops who are in the wrong.
> > > no, i'm not against law and order
> > > and things of that nature.
> > > i have respect for police
> > > i have no respect for bogus net cops.
> > > "And that's all I have to say about that."

The Police, and The Net Cops, have this one simple Witch Hunt Rule.
We're all Guilty until proven Innocent. Now go defend Thyself.

I always wonder why We The People's Government Buildings have so much
Security? Take your belt off, power up your Smartestphone, cavity
search, ... The only thing I now like about it is the Security Checks
are done in Public in a long humiliating Line of People. I would've
hate to have to think what They might do to my Daughter or your Son,
Guilty by Birth you know, behind Private Closed Doors Searches.

> see, but this little "flag" for abuse thing
>
> tends to criminalize a poster based on
>
> a single person's =accusation= of wrongdoing.
>
> whereupon google drags its feet 'investigating' the situation
>
> meanwhile the post is publicly -called- abusive
>
> based on an =accusation= alone.
>
> and that ain't "kosher"

Your righteous attitude and stance will go unheeded. False Accusations
are The Norm. Some drunk Teenager with an iPhone, or a Highest School
Hacker, ..., can iClick iVote iRobot 24/7 and virtually Screw Web.
Google Type Corporations could care less -- They conclude, and giggle
away in Mansions, They've an Audience that can be Advertised to! Win
win.

The amount of Money both The Lawyers and The State make off of People
who feel the need to defend against False Accusations is still
measurable and countable. Wow, look at the size of the newest
Courthouse building this year. In The USA We incarcerate our own The
People for The Profit.

Keep posting, and thanks Timothy, until the Sky is proved Blue!

Enjo(y)...
--
Mahipal
http://mahipal7638.files.wordpress.com/

[Timothy Sutter]

Mahipal wrote:

i read your post

it really isn't a trivial matter

cheers

[Archimedes Plutonium]

On Nov 4, 5:42 am, Timothy Sutter <a202...@lycos.com> wrote:
> here's the "charter as set out upon
> the inception of sci.physics.electromag
>

> ===https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/sci.physics.electr...

> ===https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/sci.chem/OijUKFXC5BE

>
> We can see in the Ampere/Maxwell law that a photon is the Ampere/
> Maxwell law as a transverse wave where the E field is the changing
> electric field and tagging along is the B field as the displacement
> current.
>
> So now, in the Symmetrical Maxwell Equations we no longer have
> Faraday's law as simply-- Changing magnetic field produces a electric
> field. For now, we have to include a magnetic current density J term.
> So in the Symmetrical Maxwell Equations, the Faraday law becomes a --
> Changing magnetic field produces a electric field plus a magnetic
> current density.
>
> So what is the Faraday law in Symmetrical Maxwell Equations?
>
> Since the Ampere/Maxwell law is a analog of the photon as a transverse
> wave of E and B fields, the Faraday law is a transverse wave of the M-
> field and the M+ field.
> ===
>
> there ain't much of a sci.math charter to be found...
>
> so, if anyone is breaking a "law" here,
> it's the netcops who are in the wrong.
>
> no, i'm not against law and order
> and things of that nature.
>
> i have respect for police
>
> i have no respect for bogus net cops.
>
> "And that's all I have to say about that."

Hi Tim, thanks for posting that information.

My computers have no means of reaching into Google of where they have
my posts tagged and marked as abuse and their voting system to censor
my posts. I cannot change those Google hidden posts.

But I did want to remark on legal issues. If you look at Drexel's Math
Forum, those folks are keen to distinguish the newsgroup sci.math from
Usenet and the sci.math they display because they call it
sci.math.independent. To alert a viewer or reader that although they
use sci.math of Usenet, it is not the same as sci.math of Usenet.

Here is the gripe I have of Google. They altered sci.math and
sci.physics.electromag and sci.physics and sci.chem and sci.logic so
much by allowing voting and hiding of posts, that I believe Google has
broken a legal law of denying my freedom of speech since Google calls
their altered newsgroups by their old name of sci.physics.electromag.

If Google had changed the name to Google.sci.physics.electromag and
hide my posts by a redneck censor, then I would not have any grounds
for complaint.

But I do not think Google owns sci.physics.electromag, for I think
that Usenet owns sci.physics.electromag. And if Google wants to alter
sci.physics.electromag with respect to its New Google Newsgroups, then
it has to cease and desist from saying it is sci.physics.electromag.

Google has to do something with the name just like what Drexel did
with sci.math.

This is important, because if Google continues down the path of what
Larry Harson is doing, then I face the threat of the future where
Google is calling sci.math as sci.math and I have over 30,000 posts in
sci.math but none can be seen due to some jerk like Harson who has
hidden not just my posts from August 2012 to present but has hidden
all the posts by me of the 30,000 posts.

Perhaps Google does not make as much money off of newsgroups as other
venues, but I keep telling Google that it should have some venues like
the Newsgroups that are complimentary venues for the general public.
The Newsgroups are like a school or college where sci.math is about
doing mathematics, not some clicking to the right of the screen some
ads. In school, our minds are on learning and education, not on ad
clicking. So that Google should offer the newsgroups as a not so much
moneygrubbing but as a ad free compliment for the general public.

Archimedes Plutonium

http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium

whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

[Timothy Sutter]

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

> Timothy Sutter wrote:

> > so, if anyone is breaking a "law" here,
> > it's the netcops who are in the wrong.

> > no, i'm not against law and order
> > and things of that nature.

> > i have respect for police

> > i have no respect for bogus net cops.

> > "And that's all I have to say about that."

> Hi Tim, thanks for posting that information.

> My computers have no means of reaching into Google of where they have
> my posts tagged and marked as abuse and their voting system to censor
> my posts. I cannot change those Google hidden posts.

> But I did want to remark on legal issues. If you look at Drexel's Math
> Forum, those folks are keen to distinguish the newsgroup sci.math from
> Usenet and the sci.math they display because they call it
> sci.math.independent. To alert a viewer or reader that although they
> use sci.math of Usenet, it is not the same as sci.math of Usenet.

yeah, you are being abusively harassed by the very tool googlegroups
set in place to, presumably, prevent instances of so-called 'net abuse'

and your sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.math,sci.chem
crossposts have been removed from the archive starting at
about sept 27 2012.

meaning, if you search for "plutonium....@gmail.com"
from oct 1, 2012 thru nov 4, 2012 in sci.phys.electromag

you get nothing, and i can see that you have made posts
to sci.electromag all thru october on news.albasani.net
and news.aioe.org

what you may want to try, is adding a
character to your email address, like this;

plutonium....@gmail.com- <===

which is ever so slightly different from this;

plutonium....@gmail.com <===


and then complain to google that you have
don't nothing warranting this treatment.

they may not listen to you

but, ...who knows...

i know it may not be the way you want it, but

altering your email address should get you past
the filters they have put on your for a time.

and then, you can alter it again later.


this is more than just an individual 'killfile'

you have been singled out for a global killfile of sorts.


try altering your email address.

[Timothy Sutter]

Timothy Sutter wrote:

> Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

> > Timothy Sutter wrote:

> > > so, if anyone is breaking a "law" here,
> > > it's the netcops who are in the wrong.

> > > no, i'm not against law and order
> > > and things of that nature.

> > > i have respect for police

> > > i have no respect for bogus net cops.

> > > "And that's all I have to say about that."

> > Hi Tim, thanks for posting that information.

here's what you see when you click "No" when asked
if you consider a given post that has been flagged
as "abusive" to be not abusive;

===
Report Abuse

Google takes abuse of its services very seriously.
We're committed to dealing with such abuse according
to the laws in your country of residence. When you
submit a report, we'll investigate it and take the
appropriate action. We'll get back to you only if
we require additional details or have more information to share.

Group name: sci.physics.electromag
Subject: is Google committing a crime of freedom of speech??
Author: Archimedes Plutonium

Not abuse
This content has been incorrectly marked as abuse
and does not contain any of the following:

Spam
Hateful or violent content
Illegal pornography
Personal or private information
Illegal content according to the laws of my country
Content violating our Terms of Service
===

for the life of me, i can't see how any
of your posts fit these criteria for abuse.


i still don't agree with your electron dot cloud universe

but, ...gimme a break...-you- are the one being abused here...


right now, the terms of service section is down...

https://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/terms_of_service3.html

maybe you can show me what you did to violate it,

but, you must not have violated it enough to be kicked off

because you seem to still be abel to post from googlegroups.

one more time?

"google sucks"

[Timothy Sutter]

> here's what you see when you click "No" when asked
> if you consider a given post that has been flagged
> as "abusive" to be not abusive;

one last post, i promise;

here's a picture of the people flagging your posts and working for
googlegroups...

http://midtownvoice.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/super-mario-bros-movie-goomba.jpg?w=930

[Archimedes Plutonium]

On Nov 4, 8:17 pm, Timothy Sutter <a202...@lycos.com> wrote:
(snip)

>
> yeah, you are being abusively harassed by the very tool googlegroups
> set in place to, presumably, prevent instances of so-called 'net abuse'
>
> and your sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.math,sci.chem
> crossposts have been removed from the archive starting at
> about sept 27 2012.
>

My computers have none of my posts in the Google archive beyond 27
August 2012.

I am guessing that the tagging for abuse and the hiding of posts is
extended to the archive itself.

It is possible then to hide every post ever posted by Archimedes
Plutonium. And when I tell a friend or colleague to look at my post to
sci.physics or sci.physics.electromag
that they end up finding nothing and think I was a liar.

> meaning, if you search for "plutonium.archime...@gmail.com"

> from oct 1, 2012 thru nov 4, 2012 in sci.phys.electromag
>
> you get nothing, and i can see that you have made posts
> to sci.electromag all thru october on news.albasani.net
> and news.aioe.org

I get nothing after 27 August 2012.

>
> what you may want to try, is adding a
> character to your email address, like this;
>

> plutonium.archime...@gmail.com-  <===

>
> which is ever so slightly different from this;
>

> plutonium.archime...@gmail.com   <===

>
> and then complain to google that you have
>  don't nothing warranting this treatment.
>

Thanks Tim, but I have to weigh "time spent" and
time that I should spend on doing science. If I starting chasing after
rogues, I waste what precious little time I have left.

> they may not listen to you
>
> but, ...who knows...
>
> i know it may not be the way you want it, but
>
> altering your email address should get you past
> the filters they have put on your for a time.
>
> and then, you can alter it again later.

I am going to rely on Drexel's Math Forum:


http://mathforum.org/kb/profile.jspa?userID=499986

Drexel's archive is what Google should be, but ever since this New
Google Newsgroup, Google is in decline.

>
> this is more than just an individual 'killfile'
>
> you have been singled out for a global killfile of sorts.
>
> try altering your email address.
>

Thanks again, but I have to worry more about doing science with what
little time I have remaining. The people attacking and harrassing me,
let them waste valuable time of their lives, and let me finish my time
doing science.

**Since Google is actively censoring the posts of Archimedes
Plutonium, please see my recent posts here:
http://mathforum.org/kb/profile.jspa?userID=499986

[Archimedes Plutonium]

Hi Tim, I have done nothing to warrant this abuse. I have had
thousands of posters who simply hate me because I have "new ideas" of
science. And ever since 1993, they have actively tried to get rid of
me on the science newsgroups. They have tried everything from forgery,
stalking,
harrassing people close to me, to this new and latest attack by having
Google erase my posts.

Question Tim, is this Larry Harson of sci.physics.electromag, a
newsgroup cop, is he a employee of Google. The reason I ask is that I
cannot envision him as a volunteer newsgroup cop with authority to
execute a "hide tag". I can only envision him as a Google employee to
have that authority to pull a hide order.

**Since Google is actively censoring the posts of Archimedes
Plutonium, please see my recent posts here:

http://mathforum.org/kb/profile.jspa?userID=499986

[Timothy Sutter]

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

> Timothy Sutter wrote:

> > https://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/terms_of_service3.html
> > maybe you can show me what you did to violate it,
> > but, you must not have violated it enough to be kicked off
> > because you seem to still be abel to post from googlegroups.

> Hi Tim, I have done nothing to warrant this abuse. I have had
> thousands of posters who simply hate me because I have "new ideas" of
> science. And ever since 1993, they have actively tried to get rid of
> me on the science newsgroups. They have tried everything from forgery,
> stalking,
> harrassing people close to me, to this new and latest attack by having
> Google erase my posts.

this post appears and is not flagged...yet

===
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics/8zi9KIKctnM/x7huFs79qM8J
So the only ordering of Rationals is with a borderline
of Infinity #1253 Correcting Math 3rd ed
===

> Question Tim, is this Larry Harson of sci.physics.electromag, a
> newsgroup cop, is he a employee of Google. The reason I ask is that I
> cannot envision him as a volunteer newsgroup cop with authority to
> execute a "hide tag". I can only envision him as a Google employee to
> have that authority to pull a hide order.

the person who is flagging your posts does not need any special
credentials
and has no more authority over what is topical in electromag than you
do,
what he does have, is the tool provided to him by googlegroups

which is this abuse flagging tool.

he doesn't have to work for google to accomplish this.

here is part of his "header"

==
Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,sci.math,sci.chem
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 12:31:12 -0700 (PDT)
Complaints-To: groups...@google.com

NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.24.86.223 <=== manchester england

User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1;
Trident/4.0; GTB7.4; chromeframe/22.0.1229.94; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR
2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729;
AskTbMYC-ST/5.15.4.23821),gzip(gfe)
Message-ID:
<529ea736-8daf-476e...@r10g2000vby.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: is Google committing a crime of freedom of speech??
From: Larry Harson <larryhar...@softhome.net>
Injection-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:31:12 +0000
==

this is an IP tracer, which traces your
friend Larry to manchester england.

http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/82.24.86.223

you could complain to google here;

Complaints-To: groups...@google.com

you can 'forward' google the full headers of this article
where "Larry" says that he is flagging your articles for abuse.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.electromag/8JXMY9nMKHk/fZe8o_TD0qcJ

you are being stalked harrassed and bullied

-not- "policed"

[Timothy Sutter]

bacle...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:17:17 PM UTC-5, Timothy Sutter wrote:
> > Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Timothy Sutter wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > so, if anyone is breaking a "law" here,
> >
> > > > it's the netcops who are in the wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > no, i'm not against law and order
> >
> > > > and things of that nature.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > i have respect for police
> >
> >
> >
> > > > i have no respect for bogus net cops.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > "And that's all I have to say about that."
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi Tim, thanks for posting that information.
> >
> >
> >
> > > My computers have no means of reaching into Google of where they have
> >
> > > my posts tagged and marked as abuse and their voting system to censor
> >
> > > my posts. I cannot change those Google hidden posts.
> >
> >
> >
> > > But I did want to remark on legal issues. If you look at Drexel's Math
> >
> > > Forum, those folks are keen to distinguish the newsgroup sci.math from
> >
> > > Usenet and the sci.math they display because they call it
> >
> > > sci.math.independent. To alert a viewer or reader that although they
> >
> > > use sci.math of Usenet, it is not the same as sci.math of Usenet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > yeah, you are being abusively harassed by the very tool googlegroups
> >
> > set in place to, presumably, prevent instances of so-called 'net abuse'
>

> Yes, plutoniums repeated claims that those who disagree with him
>
> are idiots and fakers and willingly hide the truth are compliments, and
>
> not abuse. And plutonium's
>
> repeated abuse for others should be seen as compliments.


the operative term here is =seen=

yes, -you- can piss and moan all you like and people will -see- that

but you seem intent on making -some- things not -seen-

and this based on your opinion alone.


i don't care if you piss and moan all day long

but, pissing and moaning, according to -some- people


is better left to email and not -in- the newsgroup itself

and you seem to do more pissing and moaning -in- the

newsgroup than any actual relevant posting of a substantial nature
anyway


-but- even this, i'd suggest, is somehow related to mathematics...


that's right, even your infantile pissing and moaning

about archi's babblings is of a mathematical bent.

so, topical


etc.

[Timothy Sutter]

here's the "charter as set out upon
the inception of sci.physics.electromag

===
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups

#!topic/sci.physics.electromag/PZqfRl8ze78

[Larry Harson]

On Nov 7, 3:21 am, Timothy Sutter <a202...@lycos.com-> wrote:
> here's the "charter as set out upon
> the inception of sci.physics.electromag
>

> ===https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups

> ===https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/sci.chem/OijUKFXC5BE

>
> We can see in the Ampere/Maxwell law that a photon is the Ampere/
> Maxwell law as a transverse wave where the E field is the changing
> electric field and tagging along is the B field as the displacement
> current.
>
> So now, in the Symmetrical Maxwell Equations we no longer have
> Faraday's law as simply-- Changing magnetic field produces a electric
> field. For now, we have to include a magnetic current density J term.
> So in the Symmetrical Maxwell Equations, the Faraday law becomes a --
> Changing magnetic field produces a electric field plus a magnetic
> current density.
>
> So what is the Faraday law in Symmetrical Maxwell Equations?
>
> Since the Ampere/Maxwell law is a analog of the photon as a transverse
> wave of E and B fields, the Faraday law is a transverse wave of the M-
> field and the M+ field.
> ===
>
> there ain't much of a sci.math charter to be found...
>
> so, if anyone is breaking a "law" here,
> it's the netcops who are in the wrong.
>
> no, i'm not against law and order
> and things of that nature.
>
> i have respect for police
>
> i have no respect for bogus net cops.
>
> "And that's all I have to say about that."

Exactly. And I would give this around 50:50 electromagnetism:pseudo-
particle-physics which is enough for it to be included in
sci.physics.electromag in my opinion. So given that it is flagged as
abusive, I'm surprised that I would flag this as abusive and so I'm
going to unflag it! But... there is a problem...

When I look at the message under New Google Groups, it says "This
topic has been hidden because it was flagged for abuse". Whereas the
ones I flag says:"This topic has been hidden because YOU reported it
for abuse"

So why would anyone flag it, and should I unflag it in the spirit of
fairness?

The answer lies in the other groups it was posted to:
sci.physics - perfectly OK with me
sci.chem - little relevance, and undermines the whole point of
USENET being organised into groups
sci.math - as above and I think it's highly likely it was flagged
from here.

So no, I'm not going to unflag it for the sake of the health of
sci.math and sci.chem.

Regards,
Larry