Re: Electrons in orbit
Y.Porat
> HardySpicer wrote:
> > How fast does an electron travel in orbit?
>
> Wrong concept, Hardy. Study the quantum mechanics.
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if you study QM
you are going to know the issue as
Sam wormley knows it
and you will spend the rest of your life
wiht that miserable knowlwdge
the best you will be able todo with it will be
being a good teacher of QM...
anmd may be even you might do a carrier on it !...
but if you what to learn something really new
have a look at my abstrat:
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
no orbiting and no schmorbiting
each Nucleid has its exact address
the same as your private adress
in your home street town etc
iow
an exact unequivocal map
no HUP or anyting like that
the uncertainty and probabilities is only in QM minds
and ignorance
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the paradigm that for each Proton there is
exactly the same numbers of electrons
(in a heavy Atom!!)
is wrong !!
that is one of the new sensational news
but not all of them
ATB
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
> On Jun 29, 9:31 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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> > On Jun 29, 3:52 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jun 27, 6:03 pm, "Max Keon" <maxk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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> > > > PD wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 25, 2:32am, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> How fast does an electron travel in orbit? Does it exhibit relavistic
> > > > And a reasonable answer should follow a reasonable question.
>
> > > This is covered in a number of basic books in quantum mechanics,
> > > because the answer is a little too involved to post on usenet. That's
> > > why we HAVE books, is because not all information is bite-sized.
>
> > --------------------------
> > thje electrons are not cleaver enough
> > to read the theories in your books
>
> No, but this does not mean that the laws that they obey are simple or
> intuitive to us.
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i anked you simple basic questions
about the logic or if youlike
inconsitancy of some paradigm
invented ad hock for the electrons shells
and basic physics laws
and if you reallt thing about it
you see that the existing 'explanations'
are just ad hock invented explanations
see above my questions
that you never thought about
and didnt answer!!
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you will be surprosed that
the basic structure of basic matter
must be simpler than
the much more composed world of matter
fo r example
you cant compare or expect to compare
the simple Atom complexity
withthe complexity of say
a biologic molecule !!
not to mansion a bacteria or a virus
do you agree about it ?
you cant expect that a photon will be as complicated as and Atom !!
(provided you have a basic physics understanding
i agree with you that a person who have no physics education at all
cannot understand even to too much complicated
physics
while i asked you to explain some wearied
common explanations about elctrons shells
i didnt expect you to explain it to a new commer
i expected you to explain it simply
to a say moron like myself
how about ??
see by table NO 2 and 3 in my abstract
and you will have some idea
about what i am talking about
a hint:
th e moron Y. Porat
composed and collected a tabe of data that no one before him
ever occurred to collect and combine such data
**and make some conclusions out of it
that for instance
electrons in the Atom
do not jump from closer to more distant
places around the nuc !!!
rigth??
ATB
Y.Porat
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PD
> On Jun 29, 4:48 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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> > On Jun 29, 9:31 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 29, 3:52 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 27, 6:03 pm, "Max Keon" <maxk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > PD wrote:
> > > > > > On Jun 25, 2:32am, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> How fast does an electron travel in orbit? Does it exhibit relavistic
> > > > > And a reasonable answer should follow a reasonable question.
>
> > > > This is covered in a number of basic books in quantum mechanics,
> > > > because the answer is a little too involved to post on usenet. That's
> > > > why we HAVE books, is because not all information is bite-sized.
>
> > > --------------------------
> > > thje electrons are not cleaver enough
> > > to read the theories in your books
>
> > No, but this does not mean that the laws that they obey are simple or
> > intuitive to us.
> > -------------------
>
> i anked you simple basic questions
> about the logic or if youlike
> inconsitancy of some paradigm
There is no inconsistency at all. Where do you think it is
inconsistent?
> invented ad hock for the electrons shells
> and basic physics laws
> and if you reallt thing about it
> you see that the existing 'explanations'
> are just ad hock invented explanations
> see above my questions
> that you never thought about
> and didnt answer!!
>
> 2
> you will be surprosed that
> the basic structure of basic matter
> must be simpler than
> the much more composed world of matter
> fo r example
> you cant compare or expect to compare
> the simple Atom complexity
> withthe complexity of say
> a biologic molecule !!
> not to mansion a bacteria or a virus
> do you agree about it ?
>
> you cant expect that a photon will be as complicated as and Atom !!
The laws governing photons are not simple and accessible to the
layman. Why would you think they should be?
Y.Porat
i sied that you can assume
(provided you understand the basic of physics
that a photon is simpler tan an say - Atom
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just have a look about the threasd
and new findings about the
Protons that are not the same
s free
compared to their properties
as bound inside the nuc
you must admit that i am preaching for it
years ago
and even in our very above thread
and i asked you questions that are
exactly connected those new findings!!
so i actually predicted it years before
anyone else
you can see that i didnt know about those experimental findings
before
i read it only today !!!!
it is well documented even in our NG
along many years
so
i am waiting to get from you
and alike you
my first recognition as a pioneer
revolutionary scientist !!
i know it is emotionally
and 'politically' difficult for you (:-)
but if you want to it
others will do it
and leave you behind !!!
ATB
Y.Porat
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PD
You didn't answer this question.
And this is not uncommon. A composite object is not the sum of the
properties of its constituents. Never has been.
Y.Porat
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i invite you to join the new thread
of today
about the discovery
that the properties of free protons
are not the same as those
inside the nuc
please note
they concentrate just about the
properties of the Protons
soplease gothere
to that thread
and refute my claims there
and for instance
show me
whoever claimes that some protons
**that are involved in inner connections loose theit electric charge
while those who are at the perifery
keep their electric charge
did you(for instance) ever in your education
learned about a difference between
protons inside the nuc
and those at the periphery of it ??
do such knowledge is in your
qm education ('manue '')??
or any of your education??
yet please dont answer me here
i am interested to develop
the other tread
though it was not my OP thread
(was not initiated by me )
TIA
Y.Porat
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protons
David Bostwick
>On Jun 30, 7:47=A0pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 30, 10:10=A0am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
and wrote, and wrote, and wrote...
Why don't you two either get a room, or book an arena and have it out face to
face. Either way, we'd be spared your love/hatefest.
Y.Porat
Bostwick) wrote:
> In article <092b1b5e-c04d-440e-b475-e289a1f6e...@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 30, 7:47=A0pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 30, 10:10=A0am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> and wrote, and wrote, and wrote...
>
> Why don't you two either get a room, or book an arena and have it out face to
> face. Either way, we'd be spared your love/hatefest.
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if you dont like it
read something else
no one is forcing you
read better your parotting staff to the rest of your fruitful life
2
me and PD live in a distance about
half the perimeter of this globe
(in case you want us to sit in some room)
Y.P
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David Bostwick
>On Jun 30, 8:33=A0pm, david.bostw...@chemistry.gatech.edu (David
>Bostwick) wrote:
>> In article <092b1b5e-c04d-440e-b475-e289a1f6e...@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups=
>..com>, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jun 30, 7:47=3DA0pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Jun 30, 10:10=3DA0am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> and wrote, and wrote, and wrote...
>>
>e to
>> face. =A0Either way, we'd be spared your love/hatefest.
>
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>if you dont like it
>read something else
>no one is forcing you
You're right. Killfiles can be your friend.
>read better your parotting staff to the rest of your fruitful life
>
Does not compute. staff=stuff? to=for? Am I parroting stuff, or am I
reading stuff that others parrot? I appreciate your good wishes for my
future, though.
If I wrote in another language, I'd be sure I knew it better than you appear
to know English. Unless it's just an act.
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>me and PD live in a distance about
>half the perimeter of this globe
>(in case you want us to sit in some room)
>
Don't care where you sit, but you seem to enjoy each other's company. You
two are different sides of the same coin, and I just thought you'd enjoy some
alone time together. It's easier to show love/hate in person, and others
don't have to endure it. But as you said, you can be ignored. That, however,
will just reinforce your conclusion that you're correct, and the rest of the
world is persecuting you.
PD
Bostwick) wrote:
Now, now. I pick on a fair number of people here. If you don't like
reading it, then kill-file me. You can make the newsgroup as clean as
you want it to be.
Golden California Girls
> Why don't you two either get a room, or book an arena and have it out face to
> face. Either way, we'd be spared your love/hatefest.
Right hand sock puppet gets an upper cut in on left hand sock puppet ...
Please don't feed the trolls. Use a global filter.
Y.Porat
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PD
i remind you my invitation to
go on with this discussion
in the new thread that is dealing withthe **new finding*
of different properties of the Proton
as free particle
compared to its properties inside the nuc
it will be a very important (not to mention interesting)
discussion !!
(not only for the two of us )
ATB
Y.Porat
Y.Porat
Bostwick) wrote:
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you u was not born to learn something new in physics (unless it is
done by yourself (:-)
have a nice day
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
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that thread is called :
**Neutrons & protons inside nucleus have different structure than free-
floating ones **
TIA
Y.Porat
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