Dogs of CERN’s Boss threatened to put me into jail.
Magnetic
Yesterday some man, possibly from Rolf Heuer environment, had phoned
me and asked – did I threaten to Heuer. The conversation was ended by
the threat to put me into jail and by saying that our phone
conversation was recorded.
Dear CERN leaders, I feel myself as if I am a prisoner, sentenced to
be killed. Those are you, who already deadly scared many citizens of
the whole Earth. They, probably, feel themselves as doomed to death.
We do not know exactly the day when you will shoot us, and we do not
know will we survive.
Our feelings of fear are different. These feelings depend from the
probability, which some person gives to catastrophic scenario. Year
ago, September 2008, I thought that the probability of the global
catastrophe, caused by LHC, is hidden somewhere in the region
10^-6-10^-5. That was not so scary; - this risk probability is
analogues to die in an air plane catastrophe. This probability did
give me the possibility to sleep quite calmly. But in the period of
the last year I had developed the theory of magnetic hole. My
probability value of global catastrophe had grown almost each week,
because I received dozens of proving arguments and two independent
mathematical proves. I studied CERN’s documents about safety of LHC
and found there three crude errors and lie assertions. Now I know that
probability of Earth explosion, caused by LHC, is not 10^-31, as it
follows from CERN documents, but it is hidden somewhere in the region
5-90%. Do you understand this value? Can I sleep calmly now? Who are
you now in my eyes, potential killer?
So, Rolf Heuer, go on, send your dogs here, into my town.
My anger grows every day with the nearing of the day of proton
collisions at LHC.
I do not know what I’ll do in the end of November.
I hate you, your CERN, your countries authorities.
Put me into prison now, otherwise I can not guarantee that I will not
punish some tourists here in my small town. Dear citizens of France
and Switzerland, please, for the sake of your children, destroy the
CERN and LHC, and I will love you as loved earlier; otherwise do not
come to my small resort town in the Crimea peninsula – that is deadly
dangerous.
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Application.
November the 30-th, according to the preliminary plan for the Large
Hadron Collider, the collisions of protons with energies of 0.45 TeV
will be implemented, the 14-th of December - collisions with energies
of 3.5 TeV. If the magnetic collapse starts, it will be impossible to
stop it. It will end with ejection of the Earth’s shell into outer
space.
I give the following probabilities:
A. 10% - magnetic collapse will start at 0.45 TeV;
B. 50% - magnetic collapse will start at 3.5 TeV, if A did not happen;
C. 70% - magnetic collapse will start at 7 TeV, if B did not happen.
30% I leave to my mistake.
Why is such confidence?
Compare Newtonian black hole and magnetic hole:
GMm / r = mc^2 / 2;
pB = mc^2.
It was obtained two independent proofs that the equality pB = mc^2 is
reachable at the energies of modern colliders, http://darkenergy.narod.ru/magtren.html
There are many arguments in favor the fact that magnetic holes exist,
and astronomers see them, but call them on the error as black holes,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/argen.html
It was found several crude errors and criminal lies in the assessment
documents about the safety of LHC, http://darkenergy.narod.ru/tezeng.html
The rate of MH’s growth is not known exactly. Magnetic Hole can
destroy the Earth in the period from 1000 seconds to 1000 days. If the
second is correct, then you will wish to bomb the LHC yourself. But
then it would not save you already, because magnetic holes would
already grow inside the Earth.
Here is explanation of the most visible crude error, made in 2003
safety article.
1. Let the length of free path of a particle is equal to 1 meter, r =
1 m.
Let the radius of the object is equal to 1000 meters, R = 1000 m.
How many collisions will undergo the particle in order to exit the
object?
Solution. R/r = 1000. N = (R/r)^2 = 1 000 000.
2. How many Earth’s protons will be ruined by dangerous particle, if R/
r = 10^9?
A. CERN’s solution: N = (R/r)^2 = 10^18.
B. My solution: The Earth has its own gravity field. Consequently, the
trajectory of a particle between collisions will not be straight line,
but curved to the center of attraction. As a result the dangerous
particle will constantly drift to the center of the Earth. As a result
the dangerous particle will ruin about N/n Earth’s protons, where: N –
the total number of Earth’s protons; n – the number of created
dangerous particles.
Another crude error, made in the CERN’s safety documentation, is in
equating of the consequences of protons collisions at LHC with
collisions of cosmic particles with atmospheric ones.
To see the drastic difference between such consequences, let’s make
two thought experiments.
There are two 10 kg bottles with neutrons.
Additional requirements, used in the model: 1. free neutrons do not
decay; 2. proton do not capture neutron; 3. any nuclei, heavier than
proton, can capture free neutron; 4. neutrons do not interact with the
matter of bottle; 5. the density of neutrons in the bottle is the same
as of water.
A. Let somebody put one slowly moving nucleus into the bottle.
Neutrons will begin to be captured by the growing and dividing nuclei.
In a couple of moments this laboratory will be exploded a town will
look like Hiroshima after the nuclear attack.
B. If somebody will bombard the same bottle by nuclei, having the
kinetic energy about several TeV, he will see that nuclei are ruined
in collisions and formed a cloud of protons and neutrons.
A. Approximate way of reactions can look like this dividing chain:
He3+n -> He4;
He4+n -> He5;
He5+n -> He6 -> Li6+e;
Li6+n -> Li7;
Li7+n -> Li8 -> Be8+e;
Be8+n -> Be9;
Be9+n -> Be10;
...
U235+n -> X+Y+2n
X+n ->...; Y+n ->...
two branches;
...
four branches;
...
eight branches;
...
Collaptical explosion!
B. Nuclei with TeV kinetic energy will be ruined by high energy
collisions with neutrons in the backward order in crude approximation.
Nuclear collapse is impossible because the repulsive electrostatic
forces of protons. That is way, I named nuclei by “nuclear quasi-
holes”.
Magnetic collapse has no limit. Magnetic hole will grow till there is
the food, - the matter of planet or star.
The biggest error of CERN physicists is in the equating the
consequences of A and B.
A. Collisions of protons at LHC;
B. Collisions of cosmic protons with atmospheric protons.
Similarity: Energies in A and B are sufficient in order to make
microscopic magnetic holes.
Difference: Velocities of created holes relatively surrounding matter
are drastically great.
A. Magnetic holes, made on LHC, can have very small velocities, such
as slow nucleus entered into the neutron-bottle, and exploded the
town.
B. According to conservation law of 4-momentum, cosmic holes have
relativistic velocities, such as TeV nuclei, destructed in the neutron-
bottle.
Result:
A. LHC’s holes will capture slowly moving particles and grow. The
bigger hole becomes – the bigger its rate of growth.
B. Atmosphere particles move relatively holes with relativistic
velocities and, correspondingly, they have TeV kinetic energy,
relatively holes. As a result, magnetic holes will be ruined almost
immediately. Such collisions lead to creation of showers of secondary
particles. Physicists observe such showers.
In our upper model with two neutron-bottles we could see that
bombardment of bottle by eV-nuclei can lead to Hiroshima-like
explosion, but TeV-nuclei bombardment are safe. Correspondingly LHC-
collisions can destroy the Earth; cosmic-atmospheric particle
collisions occur constantly and safe.
Most of physicists are confident that heavy particles, created at LHC
will decay.
That is a deadly error.
LHC can create a particle with the mass by 10 000 times greater than
the mass of proton.
To imagine this, compare the masses of a human and of a railway train.
Imagine what will happen, if biologists would make a creature with the
mass of railway train, but having the human size. What will happen to
you if this creature would seat at the roof of your house, exactly
over you? Any roof will be broken and you would be smashed into a thin
film and pushed deep into the ground.
Now imagine a proton, as soap bubble, and a liquid drop of the same
size.
What will happen to protons, if the bubble has a field, attracting
protons?
Protons would be ruined and their remnants would condense onto the
drop.
Particle physicists think that proton consists from three point-like
quarks (u, u, d). In fact, proton can be composed from some continuous
substance, rotating with relativistic velocity. This rotating
substance creates three mixed electro-magneto-weak poles (u, u, d). In
a strong magnetic field this three-pole construction can be ruined,
and the two-pole construction can be created. This process is
accompanied by ejection of positron.
There are two independent math proves that this reconstruction can be
performed at energies about 0,25 TeV per colliding particle, if the
magnetic moment of resulting two-pole particle is the same as the
magnetic moment of proton. If its value is different, then the needed
energy would also be different.
We know two types of explosions chemical and nuclear. Astronomers see
the third type of explosions – collaptical. At nuclear explosion only
a few thousand’s parts of explosive rest energy is realized in the
form of radiation and kinetic energy of fragments. At some stellar
collaptical explosions about a half of rest energy of the star is
released in the form of radiation and kinetic energy of the rejected
stellar shell. What type of collaptical explosions do astronomers
observe: gravitational into black hole or magnetic into magnetic
hole?
Is it possible to switch the magnetic collapse at collider?
My answers: The observed collapses are magnetic ones. Magnetic
collapse can be switched on by powerful colliders.
LHC will be switched on in the mead-November; the first collisions are
waited in a few weeks later. Do we survive or do we start into outer
space?
The Earth after the magnetic collapse will transform into a small
region of exited superconducting vacuum. This region’s diameter is
about 10 meters. The thickness is about 2.5 meters. The strength of
magnetic field in this region is about 1016 teslas. Because of the
strong magnetic interaction, this small magnetic hole will move on
spiral trajectory to the Sun. As a result, the Sun will explode and
astronomy amateurs from neighbor stellar systems (alien free thinkers)
will observe novae or supernovae phenomenon. Alien stephen hawkings
will say: “The world will not come to an end when the LHC turns on.
The LHC is absolutely safe. ... Collisions releasing greater energy
occur millions of times a day in the earth's atmosphere and nothing
terrible happens”
The next crude error of CERN physicists is hidden in the formula of
magnetic* catalyses of proton decay
M + p = M + e+.
More correct formula must contain the number n:
M{n} + p = M{n+1} + e^+.
This number shows the number of x-bosons in magnetic hole. These
bosons have the equal quantum numbers. Magnetic hole works as laser.
The word “laser” originated as an acronym for Light Amplification by
Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Laser creates the same photons,
which are bosons with zero mass energy. Because of zero mass, photons
fly away from laser with the speed of light. Magnetic trap creates x-
bosons, which have non-zero rest mass. These bosons do not fly away
but becomes the constituent part of magnetic hole. The bigger is the
number n – the bigger is the rate of magnetic collapse of ordinary
matter into magnetic hole.
* Physicist usually say: “monopole catalyses of proton decay”, I say
that magnetic hole is magnetic dipole and M in my upper formulas
denotes magnetic dipole.
According to Russian online “opinion poll” at November 11, 2009, 51%
of respondents had said that LHC is the dearth threat. But as we can
see, CERN continues their preparations to this crime experiment.
Conclusion - the science is criminal now!
Hagar
"Magnetic" <magnet...@yandex.ua> wrote in message
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Dogs of CERN�s Boss threatened to put me into jail.
< snip meaningless drivel >
Are you always that delusional ????
Seems like yet another product of the school system which gave
us the likes of vtcrappo and the collective "Morons of the Obamacalypse",
as well as the black hole that keeps on sucking.
Magnetic
Are you able to disprove my assertions about crude errors of CERN?
No?
Consequently, these documents are falsifications, made in order to
prevent public resistance.
LHC in a dozen of days can explode the Earth.
What can I do?
To take hostages, in order to attract the attention of ordinary
people. Because you, physicists, made a crime and hidden CERN’s lie
and you are ready to risk by our whole planet.
Several hours ago I had received the answer from the European
Commission, Directorate General Justice, Freedom and Security.
[quote]Dear Mr. Gorelik,
We thank you for the message you have addressed to the European
Commission, Directorate General Justice, Freedom and Security.
We assure you that your warning will be taken into due account.
Best regards,
…
[/quote]
Couple of days ago I wrote them the following:
[quote] I am the author of the theory of magnetic hole. According to
this theory magnetic holes can be created soon at the Large Hadron
Collider. That will lead to the collaptical explosion of the Earth.
November the 30-th, according to the preliminary plan for the Large
Hadron Collider, the collisions of protons with energies of 0.45 TeV
will be implemented, the 14-th of December - collisions with energies
of 3.5 TeV. If the magnetic collapse starts, it will be impossible to
stop it. It will end with ejection of the Earth's shell into outer
space.
I give the following probabilities:
A. 10% - magnetic collapse will start at 0.45 TeV;
B. 50% - magnetic collapse will start at 3.5 TeV, if A did not
happen;
C. 70% - magnetic collapse will start at 7 TeV, if B did not happen.
30% I leave to my mistake.
Why is such confidence?
Compare Newtonian black hole and magnetic hole:
GMm / r = mc^2 / 2;
pB = mc^2.
It was obtained two independent proofs that the equality pB = mc^2 is
reached at the energies, achievable in modern colliders,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/magtren.html
There are many arguments in favor the fact that magnetic holes exist,
and astronomers see them, but call them on the error as black holes,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/argen.html
It was found several crude errors and criminal lies in the assessment
documents about the safety of LHC, http://darkenergy.narod.ru/tezeng.html
The Earth after the magnetic collapse will transform into a small
region of exited superconducting vacuum. This region's diameter is
about 10 meters. The thickness is about 2.5 meters...
Best regards, Ivan Gorelik.[/quote]
---------
Nevertheless, my hopes on positive solution are very weak.
We’ll be killed in a dozen of days if we will wait for their solution.
----------
What happened with Phaeton?
Where dozens of meteorites with traces of life come from?
Were there thousands of physicists, thinking that the man is not able
to explode his own planet?
Will our bodies will be packet into comets and sent to other star
systems as seeds of new life?
What a crafty gene govern by you to hasten our biospheres suicidal
reproduction?
Why this crafty gene forbid discussing about Phaeton, strange
meteorites, the possibility of biospheres suicidal reproduction.
The answer: Civilizations, which have no such gene do not able to
reproduce, as a result, - impossible. Consequently, this congenital
gene must be extremely strong.
Who will win: our mind or this crafty gene of biospheres reproduction?
Magnetic
>
> There are many arguments in favor the fact that magnetic holes exist,
>
> It was found several crude errors and criminal lies in the assessment
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> On Nov 12, 8:18 am, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
>> Physicists, where are your mathematically grounded answers?
>> Are you able to disprove my assertions about crude errors of CERN?
>> No?
>> Consequently, these documents are falsifications, made in order to
>> prevent public resistance.
>>
>> LHC in a dozen of days can explode the Earth.
>>
>> What can I do?
>> To take hostages, in order to attract the attention of ordinary
>> and you are ready to risk by our whole planet.
>>
>> Several hours ago I had received the answer from the European
>> Commission, Directorate General Justice, Freedom and Security.
>>
>> [quote]Dear Mr. Gorelik,
>>
>> We thank you for the message you have addressed to the European
>> Commission, Directorate General Justice, Freedom and Security.
>>
>> We assure you that your warning will be taken into due account.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> ----------
>> What happened with Phaeton?
>> Where dozens of meteorites with traces of life come from?
>> Were there thousands of physicists, thinking that the man is not able
>> to explode his own planet?
>> Will our bodies will be packet into comets and sent to other star
>> systems as seeds of new life?
>> What a crafty gene govern by you to hasten our biospheres suicidal
>> reproduction?
>> Why this crafty gene forbid discussing about Phaeton, strange
>> meteorites, the possibility of biospheres suicidal reproduction.
>> The answer: Civilizations, which have no such gene do not able to
>> reproduce, as a result, - impossible. Consequently, this congenital
>> gene must be extremely strong.
>> Who will win: our mind or this crafty gene of biospheres reproduction?
>
I think you really ought to post this to sci.physics.research where all
the real physicists live.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
HVAC
What is your 1st language?
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HVAC
"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I think you really ought to post this to sci.physics.research where all
> the real physicists live.
>
> --
> Dirk
Listen up, Dork, he should really post this to
alt.usenet.kooks.
--
The world will scream out, "Help Us!"
I'll answer, "No".
Magnetic
> > the real physicists live.
If you do not want, CERN kill you, think and take some action.
Try to forward my massage there and you will see that it is impossible
to speak with corrupted scientists. They neglect all ideas except
their wrecked Standard Model with point-like quarks.
> Listen up, Dork, he should really post this to
> alt.usenet.kooks.
Listen, HVAC
Where are your mathematically grounded answers?
Are you able to disprove my assertions about crude errors of CERN?
No?
Consequently, these documents are falsifications, made in order to
prevent public resistance.
LHC in a dozen of days can explode the Earth.
Will you silently obey to be killed?
HVAC
>
> LHC in a dozen of days can explode the Earth.
> Will you silently obey to be killed?
Everybody dies sometime.
Going out with the entire population of the
Earth sounds good to me. Shit, I might even
sneak into heaven while St. Peter is busy with
crowd control.
--
An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
Benj
> "Magnetic" <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote in message
> > LHC in a dozen of days can explode the Earth.
> > Will you silently obey to be killed?
>
> Everybody dies sometime.
>
> Going out with the entire population of the
> Earth sounds good to me. Shit, I might even
> sneak into heaven while St. Peter is busy with
> crowd control.
In your dreams, Cujo. St. Peter has already ordered the coal shovel
and banjo with your name on them.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Hardly matters since nobody will notice.
Richard Tobin
Magnetic <magnet...@yandex.ua> wrote:
>Where are your mathematically grounded answers?
We're not here to convince you. We're here to laugh at you.
-- Richard
--
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
Magnetic
> >Where are your mathematically grounded answers?
> We're not here to convince you. We're here to laugh at you.
> -- Richard
Richard, you can laugh at me, but I do not want to die.
I do not want that CERN kill my relatives and your relatives.
Make something to save your live, to save your mother and your
children were not killed by CERN.
Ring CERN leaders, say them, let they save their children, let stop
LHC.
Collisions with energies more than 0,1 TeV must be forbidden by
international law.
Propagandists of these experiments must be considered as a criminal
person, because they risk by the life of the whole Earth.
Ivan.
PS.
Today I received the letter from girl student.
She is young and wants to live.
I demand that CERN leader stopped their extremely dangerous
experiments and don't kill her.
CERN leaders, please, do not push us to take weapon.
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <ea8a4fef-eb2f-4404...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:
> Collisions with energies more than 0,1 TeV must be forbidden by
> international law.
You need intergalactic law, mate -- collisions of 100 TeV and more
are happening all the time with cosmic rays! (IIRC, the rate of 10^20 eV
cosmic rays striking the earth's surface is one per km^2 per century.
I may have misremembered the exponent, but it's well in excess of 14 TeV.
Oh, heck, work it out yourself from the graph:
http://marge.phys.washington.edu/jacee/Papers/JACEE-AntarcticJournal.pdf)
> Propagandists of these experiments must be considered as a criminal
> person, because they risk by the life of the whole Earth.
Oh FFS, do you know _anything_ about science or are you just spouting
off out of ignorance?
> PS.
> Today I received the letter from girl student.
> She is young and wants to live.
And you bloody ignorant morons have been feeding her with
unsupportable doubts, yes? I'm reminded of the reports of a Queensland
schoolgirl who was persuaded to sleep with an older chap, because she
wanted to lose her virginity before the world imploded last September 10th.
(All the news reports conveniently omitted that we weren't doing collisions
that day, just passing beam completely around the ring.) The ignorant
leading the gullible...
I'm also reminded of the nutcase in Hawaii who reckoned that
there's a 50:50 chance that the LHC would cause a black hole, "It might,
or it mightn't. See, 50:50!" *These* are the people you are choosing to
believe?
> I demand that CERN leader stopped their extremely dangerous
> experiments and don't kill her.
I demand that you learn your English grammar so that numbers and
tenses match. With about as much hope, I guess...
> CERN leaders, please, do not push us to take weapon.
I bet you've never handled a rifle in your life.
--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
BradGuth
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:30:02 -0800 (PST), Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua>
According to rabbi Saul Levy, regardless of the applied energy or
whatever magnetic flux, absolutely nothing bad will ever happen, and
apparently that's also the word of his white Zionist God.
~ BG
Magnetic
> > Collisions with energies more than 0,1 TeV must be forbidden by
> > international law.
> You need intergalactic law, mate -- collisions of 100 TeV and more
> are happening all the time with cosmic rays! (IIRC, the rate of 10^20 eV
> cosmic rays striking the earth's surface is one per km^2 per century.
> I may have misremembered the exponent, but it's well in excess of 14 TeV.
> Oh, heck, work it out yourself from the graph:http://marge.phys.washington.edu/jacee/Papers/JACEE-AntarcticJournal.pdf)
> Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
> Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
> KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Again you repeat the criminal error!
BradGuth
Your what-if analogy seems logical enough, and it's not unlikely that
such advanced physics as LHC will not manage to exceed their
expectations by creating those proton black holes, as well as
antimatter interactions. Hopefully this worse case outcome will stop
short of causing a terrestrial nova or magnetic hole that's even
worse.
I'm certain there will be further setbacks and hopefully a few
surprises before it goes down (again).
What's needed is something short of the Warhol contributed rant of
doom and gloom that's hard for most to fathom, because no one want's
to accept that such terrible sorts of things could ever happen (at
least not to them), though obviously the added risk of LHC destroying
Earth and perhaps even the solar system is not an acceptable
alternative, not even if the odds are a trillion to one against such
happening. Obviously an artificial PBH (proton black hole) should be
avoided at all cost.
~ BG
Nomen Publicus
>1. free neutrons do not decay;
No.
"Outside the nucleus, free neutrons are unstable and have a mean lifetime of
885.7�0.8 s (about 14 minutes, 46 seconds); the half-life for this process
is 613.9�0.8 s (about 10 minutes, 14 seconds)[2]. Free neutrons decay by
emission of an electron and an antineutrino to become a proton:[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_neutron#Stability_and_beta_decay
--
Will not a filthy play, with the blast of a trumpet, sooner call thither
a thousand, than an hour's tolling of a bell, bring to the sermon
a hundred? -- John Stockwood, 1578
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <921d6109-9f7c-4416...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>:
> The biggest error of CERN physicists is in the equating the
> consequences of A and B.
> A. Collisions of protons at LHC;
> B. Collisions of cosmic protons with atmospheric protons.
Oh, bullshit! You're trying to create a binary situation.
Cosmic protons have a continuous (but decreasing) spectrum. You'll
find them well above LHC energies, you'll find them well below LHC
energies, and you'll find them *AT* LHC energies. Same old same-old...
Tell me again why we haven't been annihilated by cosmic protons
_at_ LHC enegies?
--
BradGuth
wrote:
So, those protons only exist/coexist if there's one or more electrons
in orbit?
~ BG
BradGuth
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:40:35 -0800 (PST), Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua>
> wrote in <921d6109-9f7c-4416-9dcd-b110ed09d...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > The biggest error of CERN physicists is in the equating the
> > consequences of A and B.
> > A. Collisions of protons at LHC;
> > B. Collisions of cosmic protons with atmospheric protons.
>
> Oh, bullshit! You're trying to create a binary situation.
> Cosmic protons have a continuous (but decreasing) spectrum. You'll
> find them well above LHC energies, you'll find them well below LHC
> energies, and you'll find them *AT* LHC energies. Same old same-old...
>
> Tell me again why we haven't been annihilated by cosmic protons
> _at_ LHC enegies?
>
> --
> Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
> Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
> KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
Perhaps it's because we're not moving at the speed of light.
~ BG
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Only in alt.sci.physics is such incredible ignorance the norm.
BradGuth
wrote:
> BradGuth wrote:
> > On Nov 16, 10:09 am, Nomen Publicus <zzas...@buffy.sighup.org.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> In sci.astro Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
>
> >>> 1. free neutrons do not decay;
> >> No.
>
> >> "Outside the nucleus, free neutrons are unstable and have a mean lifetime of
> >> 885.7±0.8 s (about 14 minutes, 46 seconds); the half-life for this process
> >> is 613.9±0.8 s (about 10 minutes, 14 seconds)[2]. Free neutrons decay by
> >> emission of an electron and an antineutrino to become a proton:[4]"
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_neutron#Stability_and_beta_decay
>
> >> --
> >> Will not a filthy play, with the blast of a trumpet, sooner call thither
> >> a thousand, than an hour's tolling of a bell, bring to the sermon
> >> a hundred? -- John Stockwood, 1578
>
> > So, those protons only exist/coexist if there's one or more electrons
> > in orbit?
>
> > ~ BG
>
> Only in alt.sci.physics is such incredible ignorance the norm.
>
> --
> Dirk
So, what's the naked life of a proton?
How about; "their theoretical minimum half-life is 1e36 years"
~ BG
Nomen Publicus
Protons are thought to be stable.
>
> ~ BG
alie...@gmail.com
How about, protons are not neutrons.
Mark L. Fergerson
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
How about "no known limit"?
However, I was mainly referring to all the previous crap, esp the OP.
alie...@gmail.com
Relevance?
Mark L. Fergerson
BradGuth
Yes, mostly previous crap, to say the least.
~ BG
BradGuth
No argument, I'm good with that.
Why are positrons and neutrons short lived?
~ BG
BradGuth
Just a thought, or brain fart.
~ BG
Autymn D. C.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_frm/thread/7e292b42c079aa35/887eb2b1e213257b.
There were no such errors under CERN. It does not make slow, cold
bodies which you would need for a mote under escape velocity, and
there is no such trap for one. All of the errors are yours, and your
claims are conveniently alack in their tallies. Moreover, there are
no holes, anywhere.
-Aut
Autymn D. C.
> Collisions with energies more than 0,1 TeV must be forbidden by
> international law.
> Propagandists of these experiments must be considered as a criminal
> person, because they risk by the life of the whole Earth.
LHC does not make ecsotic matter; that is, with imaginary energhy.
However should there be a 0,1 TeV mote we must harness some for time-
room warpers.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Positrons are stable.
BradGuth
wrote:
> BradGuth wrote:
>
> > Why are positrons and neutrons short lived?
>
> > ~ BG
>
> Positrons are stable.
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
Then no problems with black holes being that of a core of positrons,
as antimatter surrounded by those nearly resting photons?
~ BG
Dr Ivan D. Reid
wrote in <f1cd73bc-a7dc-4c4d...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com>:
> On Nov 16, 10:35�pm, "n...@bid.nes" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 4:03�pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 16, 10:30�am, "Dr Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.R...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:40:35 -0800 (PST), Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua>
>> > > �wrote in <921d6109-9f7c-4416-9dcd-b110ed09d...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>:
>> > > > The biggest error of CERN physicists is in the equating the
>> > > > consequences of A and B.
>> > > > A. Collisions of protons at LHC;
>> > > > B. Collisions of cosmic protons with atmospheric protons.
>> > > � � � � Oh, bullshit! �You're trying to create a binary situation.
>> > > Cosmic protons have a continuous (but decreasing) spectrum. �You'll
>> > > find them well above LHC energies, you'll find them well below LHC
>> > > energies, and you'll find them *AT* LHC energies. �Same old same-old...
>> > > � � � � Tell me again why we haven't been annihilated by cosmic protons
>> > > _at_ LHC enegies?
>> > Perhaps it's because we're not moving at the speed of light.
>> � Relevance?
> Just a thought, or brain fart.
Definitely the latter. Even mould-slime wouldn't countenance the
thought for more than an attosecond.
BradGuth
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:52:10 -0800 (PST), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
What kind of physics or deductive science has that "mould-slime"
contributed?
Last time I'd checked, only humans were capable of weird thoughts and
conjectures. Are you suggesting that we've been replaced by "mould-
slime", or rather by a mainstream box of brown-nosed parrots like
yourself?
~ BG
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
That sentence makes no sense at all.
BradGuth
wrote:
> BradGuth wrote:
> > On Nov 17, 4:15 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> BradGuth wrote:
>
> >>> Why are positrons and neutrons short lived?
> >>> ~ BG
> >> Positrons are stable.
>
> >> --
> >> Dirk
>
>
> > Then no problems with black holes being that of a core of positrons,
> > as antimatter surrounded by those nearly resting photons?
>
> > ~ BG
>
> That sentence makes no sense at all.
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
Thinking outside the box. How's that?
Why do photons always have to be zooming at c?
Isn't a BH keeping those photons (from less than 1 hz to gamma) to
itself?
~ BG
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> On Nov 17, 10:19 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> BradGuth wrote:
>>> On Nov 17, 4:15 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> BradGuth wrote:
>>>>> Why are positrons and neutrons short lived?
>>>>> ~ BG
>>>> Positrons are stable.
>>>> --
>>>> Dirk
>>>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show
>>> Then no problems with black holes being that of a core of positrons,
>>> as antimatter surrounded by those nearly resting photons?
>>> ~ BG
>> That sentence makes no sense at all.
>>
>> --
>> Dirk
>>
>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
>
> Thinking outside the box. How's that?
>
> Why do photons always have to be zooming at c?
Because that's how the universe works.
> Isn't a BH keeping those photons (from less than 1 hz to gamma) to
> itself?
Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
BradGuth
wrote:
> BradGuth wrote:
> > On Nov 17, 10:19 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> BradGuth wrote:
> >>> On Nov 17, 4:15 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>> Why are positrons and neutrons short lived?
> >>>>> ~ BG
> >>>> Positrons are stable.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dirk
> >>> Then no problems with black holes being that of a core of positrons,
> >>> as antimatter surrounded by those nearly resting photons?
> >>> ~ BG
> >> That sentence makes no sense at all.
>
> >> --
> >> Dirk
>
> >>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show
>
>
> > Why do photons always have to be zooming at c?
>
> Because that's how the universe works.
>
> > Isn't a BH keeping those photons (from less than 1 hz to gamma) to
> > itself?
>
> Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
Then photons nearly resting anf/or folded back upon themselves it is,
much like having been accomplished in labs, whereas slowing photons
down to a minimal velocity doesn't seem so insurmountable any more.
Perhaps a BH core of positron/antimatter should do quite nicely.
btw; the original photons that enter pure black carbonado do not seem
to come back out. Why is that?
Since we only perceive secondary photons (similar to UV fluorescence),
what if all primary photons are fully absorbed by the BH, rather than
held by the weak force of gravity?
~ BG
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Those are not experiments that "slow photons".
The speed of light is conventionally defined in physics are its speed in
a vacuum. When it passes through any medium its speed drops due to
(crudely put) absorption and re-emission.
> Perhaps a BH core of positron/antimatter should do quite nicely.
> btw; the original photons that enter pure black carbonado do not seem
> to come back out. Why is that?
>
> Since we only perceive secondary photons (similar to UV fluorescence),
> what if all primary photons are fully absorbed by the BH, rather than
> held by the weak force of gravity?
Everything crossing the event horizon only has one future - inwards.
BradGuth
wrote:
> BradGuth wrote:
> > On Nov 17, 11:12 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> BradGuth wrote:
> >>> On Nov 17, 10:19 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>> On Nov 17, 4:15 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>>>> Why are positrons and neutrons short lived?
> >>>>>>> ~ BG
> >>>>>> Positrons are stable.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Dirk
> >>>>> Then no problems with black holes being that of a core of positrons,
> >>>>> as antimatter surrounded by those nearly resting photons?
> >>>>> ~ BG
> >>>> That sentence makes no sense at all.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dirk
> >>>>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-AUK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-OccultTalk Show
> >>> Why do photons always have to be zooming at c?
> >> Because that's how the universe works.
>
> >>> Isn't a BH keeping those photons (from less than 1 hz to gamma) to
> >>> itself?
> >> Yes.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
>
> >> --
> >> Dirk
>
> >>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show
>
> > much like having been accomplished in labs, whereas slowing photons
> > down to a minimal velocity doesn't seem so insurmountable any more.
>
> Those are not experiments that "slow photons".
> The speed of light is conventionally defined in physics are its speed in
> a vacuum. When it passes through any medium its speed drops due to
> (crudely put) absorption and re-emission.
>
> > Perhaps a BH core of positron/antimatter should do quite nicely.
> > btw; the original photons that enter pure black carbonado do not seem
> > to come back out. Why is that?
>
> > Since we only perceive secondary photons (similar to UV fluorescence),
> > what if all primary photons are fully absorbed by the BH, rather than
> > held by the weak force of gravity?
>
> Everything crossing the event horizon only has one future - inwards.
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
True, until it eventually implodes and or oddly vanishes like other
BHs seem to have done. Perhaps those BHs are more illusionary than
real matter/antimatter of sufficient gravity. You'd also have to
consider their EH to be absolute vacuum (say 1e-32 bar should do the
trick).
How much gravity or escape velocity does it take in order to fold
photons waves back onto themselves. (perhaps roughly 27e3 fold greater
than Earth average density should be sufficient for a BH the volume of
Earth)
~ BG
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Nobody knows what the inside of a BH is like.
Theory only.
As for evidence that BHs exist:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast12jan_1.htm
> real matter/antimatter of sufficient gravity. You'd also have to
> consider their EH to be absolute vacuum (say 1e-32 bar should do the
> trick).
BHs can form from energy only.
> How much gravity or escape velocity does it take in order to fold
> photons waves back onto themselves. (perhaps roughly 27e3 fold greater
> than Earth average density should be sufficient for a BH the volume of
> Earth)
>
> ~ BG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius
"The Schwarzschild radius (sometimes historically referred to as the
gravitational radius) is a characteristic radius associated with every
quantity of mass. It is the radius of a sphere in space, that if
containing a correspondingly sufficient amount of mass (and therefore,
reaches a certain density), the force of gravity from the contained mass
would be so great that no known force or degeneracy pressure could stop
the mass from continuing to collapse in volume into a point of infinite
density: a gravitational singularity (colloquially referred to as a
black hole). "
"The Schwarzschild radius of an object is proportional to the mass.
Accordingly, the Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3
km[3], while the Earth's is only about 9 mm, the size of a peanut. That
is, if all the mass of the Sun (or Earth) were contained in a sphere
with a radius of 3 km (or 9 mm for the Earth), then the volume of the
Sun (or Earth) would continue to collapse into a singularity, due to the
force of gravity."
BradGuth
wrote:
> BradGuth wrote:
> > On Nov 18, 11:35 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> BradGuth wrote:
> >>> On Nov 17, 11:12 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>> On Nov 17, 10:19 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Nov 17, 4:15 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Why are positrons and neutrons short lived?
> >>>>>>>>> ~ BG
> >>>>>>>> Positrons are stable.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Dirk
> >>>>>>> Then no problems with black holes being that of a core of positrons,
> >>>>>>> as antimatter surrounded by those nearly resting photons?
> >>>>>>> ~ BG
> >>>>>> That sentence makes no sense at all.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Dirk
> >>>>> Thinking outside the box. How's that?
> >>>>> Why do photons always have to be zooming at c?
> >>>> Because that's how the universe works.
> >>>>> Isn't a BH keeping those photons (from less than 1 hz to gamma) to
> >>>>> itself?
> >>>> Yes.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dirk
> >>>>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-AUK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-OccultTalk Show
> >>> much like having been accomplished in labs, whereas slowing photons
> >>> down to a minimal velocity doesn't seem so insurmountable any more.
> >> Those are not experiments that "slow photons".
> >> The speed of light is conventionally defined in physics are its speed in
> >> a vacuum. When it passes through any medium its speed drops due to
> >> (crudely put) absorption and re-emission.
>
> >>> Perhaps a BH core of positron/antimatter should do quite nicely.
> >>> btw; the original photons that enter pure black carbonado do not seem
> >>> to come back out. Why is that?
> >>> Since we only perceive secondary photons (similar to UV fluorescence),
> >>> what if all primary photons are fully absorbed by the BH, rather than
> >>> held by the weak force of gravity?
> >> Everything crossing the event horizon only has one future - inwards.
>
> >> --
> >> Dirk
>
> >>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show
>
> > BHs seem to have done. Perhaps those BHs are more illusionary than
>
> Nobody knows what the inside of a BH is like.
> Theory only.
> As for evidence that BHs exist:http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast12jan_1.htm
>
> > real matter/antimatter of sufficient gravity. You'd also have to
> > consider their EH to be absolute vacuum (say 1e-32 bar should do the
> > trick).
>
> BHs can form from energy only.
>
> > How much gravity or escape velocity does it take in order to fold
> > photons waves back onto themselves. (perhaps roughly 27e3 fold greater
> > than Earth average density should be sufficient for a BH the volume of
> > Earth)
>
> > ~ BG
>
>
> "The Schwarzschild radius (sometimes historically referred to as the
> gravitational radius) is a characteristic radius associated with every
> quantity of mass. It is the radius of a sphere in space, that if
> containing a correspondingly sufficient amount of mass (and therefore,
> reaches a certain density), the force of gravity from the contained mass
> would be so great that no known force or degeneracy pressure could stop
> the mass from continuing to collapse in volume into a point of infinite
> density: a gravitational singularity (colloquially referred to as a
> black hole). "
>
> "The Schwarzschild radius of an object is proportional to the mass.
> Accordingly, the Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3
> km[3], while the Earth's is only about 9 mm, the size of a peanut. That
> is, if all the mass of the Sun (or Earth) were contained in a sphere
> with a radius of 3 km (or 9 mm for the Earth), then the volume of the
> Sun (or Earth) would continue to collapse into a singularity, due to the
> force of gravity."
>
> --
> Dirk
>
So, the EH has a much greater radii than the actual BH item/
singularity itself. Are we talking 1024 fold greater, or is it more
like a million or billion fold?
In other words, in terms of radii; how many radii larger is the
event horizon(EH) of a given BH (say that of the 3 km radii of sun's
mass)?
~ BG
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
The singularity by definition has zero volume.
The BH is conventionally defined by the position of the EH.
BradGuth
wrote:
> BradGuth wrote:
> > On Nov 18, 1:16 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> BradGuth wrote:
> >>> On Nov 18, 11:35 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>> On Nov 17, 11:12 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Nov 17, 10:19 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 4:15 am, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> BradGuth wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Why are positrons and neutrons short lived?
> >>>>>>>>>>> ~ BG
> >>>>>>>>>> Positrons are stable.
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Dirk
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensu...
> >>>>>>>>> as antimatter surrounded by those nearly resting photons?
> >>>>>>>>> ~ BG
> >>>>>>>> That sentence makes no sense at all.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Dirk
> >>>>>>> Thinking outside the box. How's that?
> >>>>>>> Why do photons always have to be zooming at c?
> >>>>>> Because that's how the universe works.
> >>>>>>> Isn't a BH keeping those photons (from less than 1 hz to gamma) to
> >>>>>>> itself?
> >>>>>> Yes.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Dirk
> >>>>> Then photons nearly resting anf/or folded back upon themselves it is,
> >>>>> much like having been accomplished in labs, whereas slowing photons
> >>>>> down to a minimal velocity doesn't seem so insurmountable any more.
> >>>> Those are not experiments that "slow photons".
> >>>> The speed of light is conventionally defined in physics are its speed in
> >>>> a vacuum. When it passes through any medium its speed drops due to
> >>>> (crudely put) absorption and re-emission.
> >>>>> Perhaps a BH core of positron/antimatter should do quite nicely.
> >>>>> btw; the original photons that enter pure black carbonado do not seem
> >>>>> to come back out. Why is that?
> >>>>> Since we only perceive secondary photons (similar to UV fluorescence),
> >>>>> what if all primary photons are fully absorbed by the BH, rather than
> >>>>> held by the weak force of gravity?
> >>>> Everything crossing the event horizon only has one future - inwards.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dirk
> >>>>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-TranscendenceUKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-AUK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-OccultTalk Show
> >>> BHs seem to have done. Perhaps those BHs are more illusionary than
> >> Nobody knows what the inside of a BH is like.
> >> Theory only.
> >> As for evidence that BHs exist:http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast12jan_1.htm
>
> >>> real matter/antimatter of sufficient gravity. You'd also have to
> >>> consider their EH to be absolute vacuum (say 1e-32 bar should do the
> >>> trick).
> >> BHs can form from energy only.
>
> >>> How much gravity or escape velocity does it take in order to fold
> >>> photons waves back onto themselves. (perhaps roughly 27e3 fold greater
> >>> than Earth average density should be sufficient for a BH the volume of
> >>> Earth)
> >>> ~ BG
>
> >> "The Schwarzschild radius (sometimes historically referred to as the
> >> gravitational radius) is a characteristic radius associated with every
> >> quantity of mass. It is the radius of a sphere in space, that if
> >> containing a correspondingly sufficient amount of mass (and therefore,
> >> reaches a certain density), the force of gravity from the contained mass
> >> would be so great that no known force or degeneracy pressure could stop
> >> the mass from continuing to collapse in volume into a point of infinite
> >> density: a gravitational singularity (colloquially referred to as a
> >> black hole). "
>
> >> "The Schwarzschild radius of an object is proportional to the mass.
> >> Accordingly, the Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3
> >> km[3], while the Earth's is only about 9 mm, the size of a peanut. That
> >> is, if all the mass of the Sun (or Earth) were contained in a sphere
> >> with a radius of 3 km (or 9 mm for the Earth), then the volume of the
> >> Sun (or Earth) would continue to collapse into a singularity, due to the
> >> force of gravity."
>
> >> --
> >> Dirk
>
>
> > singularity itself. Are we talking 1024 fold greater, or is it more
> > like a million or billion fold?
>
> > In other words, in terms of radii; how many radii larger is the
> > event horizon(EH) of a given BH (say that of the 3 km radii of sun's
> > mass)?
>
> > ~ BG
>
> The singularity by definition has zero volume.
> The BH is conventionally defined by the position of the EH.
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
I don't entirely buy into the whole singularity thing. How about just
a lot of compressed matter that's magnetically and/or electric force
held together so as to form a sufficient core of gravity.
What is the required gravity pull (km/sec) or gravity force at the EH?
~ BG
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
None of the known existing forces is sufficient to prevent gravitational
collapse. And since there is no successful unified theory of gravity and
QM nobody knows what happens at the core of a BH.
> What is the required gravity pull (km/sec) or gravity force at the EH?
>
> ~ BG
At the EH the escape velocity = c
BradGuth
> >>>>>>>>> Why do photons always have to be zooming at c?
> >>>>>>>> Because that's how the universe works.
> >>>>>>>>> Isn't a BH keeping those photons (from less than 1 hz to gamma) to
> >>>>>>>>> itself?
> >>>>>>>> Yes.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Dirk
> >>>>>>> Then photons nearly resting anf/or folded back upon themselves it is,
> >>>>>>> much like having been accomplished in labs, whereas slowing photons
> >>>>>>> down to a minimal velocity doesn't seem so insurmountable any more.
> >>>>>> Those are not experiments that "slow photons".
> >>>>>> The speed of light is conventionally defined in physics are its speed in
> >>>>>> a vacuum. When it passes through any medium its speed drops due to
> >>>>>> (crudely put) absorption and re-emission.
> >>>>>>> Perhaps a BH core of positron/antimatter should do quite nicely.
> >>>>>>> btw; the original photons that enter pure black carbonado do not seem
> >>>>>>> to come back out. Why is that?
> >>>>>>> Since we only perceive secondary photons (similar to UV fluorescence),
> >>>>>>> what if all primary photons are fully absorbed by the BH, rather than
> >>>>>>> held by the weak force of gravity?
> >>>>>> Everything crossing the event horizon only has one future - inwards.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Dirk
> >>> singularity itself. Are we talking 1024 fold greater, or is it more
> >>> like a million or billion fold?
> >>> In other words, in terms of radii; how many radii larger is the
> >>> event horizon(EH) of a given BH (say that of the 3 km radii of sun's
> >>> mass)?
> >>> ~ BG
> >> The singularity by definition has zero volume.
> >> The BH is conventionally defined by the position of the EH.
>
> >> --
> >> Dirk
>
> >>http://www.transcendence.me.uk/-Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/-A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe-Occult Talk Show
>
> > a lot of compressed matter that's magnetically and/or electric force
> > held together so as to form a sufficient core of gravity.
>
> None of the known existing forces is sufficient to prevent gravitational
> collapse. And since there is no successful unified theory of gravity and
> QM nobody knows what happens at the core of a BH.
>
> > What is the required gravity pull (km/sec) or gravity force at the EH?
>
> > ~ BG
>
> At the EH the escape velocity = c
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
That's what I'd figured, and it really doesn't require all that much
collected and compressed mass in order to get to that EV point of
300,000 km/sec. A black dwarf or spent star that obviously didn't
become a neutron star should provide sufficient density and subsequent
gravity.
A collection of purely electrons or that of positrons might not create
the gravity core of a point source singularity BH, whereas either of
those could just as easily prevent photons from doing their thing.
Pure absolute vacuum might also represent a BH, such as the vacuum at
the core of anything that has all of its mass at some radial distance
from the core.
Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
The EH shell of pure positrons or electrons could represent that black
and photon absorbing shell of a BH, whereas a shell of protons should
reflect photons.
~ BG