Hi Fella's I use crystals to remove moisture from inside my storm windows. I rely on a hole breathing air from the interior via barometric pressure variation, passing through the crystals and it works very well. The crystals turn pink when they are loaded with moisture and blue when dried, (we use a micro- wave oven to dry them). Does anyone recall the chemical name and formula for those crystals? Regards Ken
On Tue, 13 May 2008 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT), "Ken $ Tucker"
<dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote: >Hi Fella's >I use crystals to remove moisture from inside my >storm windows. I rely on a hole breathing air from >the interior via barometric pressure variation, passing >through the crystals and it works very well. >The crystals turn pink when they are loaded with >moisture and blue when dried, (we use a micro- >wave oven to dry them). >Does anyone recall the chemical name and formula >for those crystals? >Regards >Ken
On May 13, 9:30 am, Charles <ckr...@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT), "Ken $ Tucker" > >Does anyone recall the chemical name and formula > >for those crystals? > >Regards > >Ken
> Cobalt chloride
Actually, the crystals are likely to be something else, with a small amount of cobalt chloride as an indicator. "Drierite" contains calcium sulphate (with a small amount of CoCl2); you can also get silica gel with the same indicator.
> On May 13, 9:30 am, Charles <ckr...@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 May 2008 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT), "Ken $ Tucker" > > >Does anyone recall the chemical name and formula > > >for those crystals? > > >Regards > > >Ken
> > Cobalt chloride
> Actually, the crystals are likely to be something else, with a small > amount of cobalt chloride as an indicator. "Drierite" contains > calcium sulphate (with a small amount of CoCl2); you can also get > silica gel with the same indicator.
> On May 13, 9:30 am, Charles <ckr...@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 May 2008 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT), "Ken $ Tucker" > > >Does anyone recall the chemical name and formula > > >for those crystals? > > >Regards > > >Ken
> > Cobalt chloride
> Actually, the crystals are likely to be something else, with a small > amount of cobalt chloride as an indicator. "Drierite" contains > calcium sulphate (with a small amount of CoCl2); you can also get > silica gel with the same indicator.
Ken $ Tucker wrote: > On May 13, 11:38 am, Madalch <tress...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On May 13, 9:30 am, Charles <ckr...@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT), "Ken $ Tucker" >>>> Does anyone recall the chemical name and formula >>>> for those crystals? >>>> Regards >>>> Ken
>>> Cobalt chloride
>> Actually, the crystals are likely to be something else, with a small >> amount of cobalt chloride as an indicator. "Drierite" contains >> calcium sulphate (with a small amount of CoCl2); you can also get >> silica gel with the same indicator.
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> Thanks, these crystals are ~ 1-2 mm boxy shaped. > Could you guys provids a source where I could purchase > them?
If you only need a small amount, you could buy seaweed (called "nori") at an Oriental food store, and a small packet of them is included with the seaweed. I'd suggest the "Korean style" seaweed, usually sold in packs of three containers for about USD $1 per pack. That'll get you the most cobalt-doped silia gel for your money.
On May 13, 2:44 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
> "Ken $ Tucker" wrote:
> > Thanks, these crystals are ~ 1-2 mm boxy shaped. > > Could you guys provids a source where I could purchase > > them?
> If you only need a small amount, you could buy > seaweed (called "nori") at an Oriental food store, > and a small packet of them is included with > the seaweed. I'd suggest the "Korean style" > seaweed, usually sold in packs of three containers > for about USD $1 per pack. That'll get you the > most cobalt-doped silia gel for your money.
Thanks guys. For a bit of background, I bought a cottage in Muskoka Ont, where temps are -20F in the winter, so I go for upgrading the windows.
Well, the fuckin gov and window industry sell me these dual pain (pane) jobs with a space of about 3/4", and they iced up like shit.
So I built my own windows with double pane with a spacing of ~5", however, they can't be sealed, cuz of barometric pressure variation, as in the aneroid barometric effect. Those windows worked great at -40F, but some humidity appeared inside of them.
So what I did was to place the moisture absorbing crystals via a tube that bleads the barometics off, and the inner humidity is gone in about a week.
So I build a new house in BC canukistan, and install similiar windows, but get this, the BI-guy (Building Inspector guy) tells me that my installed windows are NOT according to BC building code...duh, I try to explain the superority of my window design.
Why the fuck a stunned govmonk orders it's workers to make new homes retarded is what canuckistan is all about.
Canuckistan is down the tubes!
What's happened is a degradation of leadership such that a few morons acquired legal power via politics and then think they are smarter than us.
Here is what we have to do, repeal seat belt laws!
STOP protecting people from themselves. Put the responsibility onto the citizen OR the citizen will NOT be able to be responsible.
The govmonks are attempting to remove the intent of responsibility from the citizens, and by doing that, declaring the citizens irresponsible.
But in truth, the opposite should occur. In a true democracy the citizens are empowered to maximize responsibity, what happened to that?? Regards Ken S Tucker
<dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote: >On May 13, 2:44 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote: >> "Ken $ Tucker" wrote:
>> > Thanks, these crystals are ~ 1-2 mm boxy shaped. >> > Could you guys provids a source where I could purchase >> > them?
>> If you only need a small amount, you could buy >> seaweed (called "nori") at an Oriental food store, >> and a small packet of them is included with >> the seaweed. I'd suggest the "Korean style" >> seaweed, usually sold in packs of three containers >> for about USD $1 per pack. That'll get you the >> most cobalt-doped silia gel for your money.
>Thanks guys. >For a bit of background, I bought a cottage in Muskoka >Ont, where temps are -20F in the winter, so I go for >upgrading the windows.
>Well, the fuckin gov and window industry sell me these >dual pain (pane) jobs with a space of about 3/4", and >they iced up like shit.
>So I built my own windows with double pane with a >spacing of ~5", however, they can't be sealed, cuz >of barometric pressure variation, as in the aneroid >barometric effect. Those windows worked great at >-40F, but some humidity appeared inside of them.
>So what I did was to place the moisture absorbing >crystals via a tube that bleads the barometics off, >and the inner humidity is gone in about a week.
>So I build a new house in BC canukistan, and install >similiar windows, but get this, the BI-guy (Building >Inspector guy) tells me that my installed windows >are NOT according to BC building code...duh, I try >to explain the superority of my window design.
>Why the fuck a stunned govmonk orders it's workers >to make new homes retarded is what canuckistan is >all about.
>Canuckistan is down the tubes!
>What's happened is a degradation of leadership such >that a few morons acquired legal power via politics and >then think they are smarter than us.
>Here is what we have to do, repeal seat belt laws!
>STOP protecting people from themselves. >Put the responsibility onto the citizen OR the >citizen will NOT be able to be responsible.
>The govmonks are attempting to remove the intent >of responsibility from the citizens, and by doing that, >declaring the citizens irresponsible.
>But in truth, the opposite should occur. >In a true democracy the citizens are empowered to >maximize responsibity, what happened to that?? >Regards >Ken S Tucker
I think the building inspector doesn't have any choice, no leeway. Can you go to the building department and get a variance? At least here in California they can grant a variance from the code if you can convince them that you're right.
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:55:52 -0700 (PDT), "Ken $ Tucker"
> <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote: > >On May 13, 2:44 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote: > >> "Ken $ Tucker" wrote:
> >> > Thanks, these crystals are ~ 1-2 mm boxy shaped. > >> > Could you guys provids a source where I could purchase > >> > them?
> >> If you only need a small amount, you could buy > >> seaweed (called "nori") at an Oriental food store, > >> and a small packet of them is included with > >> the seaweed. I'd suggest the "Korean style" > >> seaweed, usually sold in packs of three containers > >> for about USD $1 per pack. That'll get you the > >> most cobalt-doped silia gel for your money.
> >Thanks guys. > >For a bit of background, I bought a cottage in Muskoka > >Ont, where temps are -20F in the winter, so I go for > >upgrading the windows.
> >Well, the fuckin gov and window industry sell me these > >dual pain (pane) jobs with a space of about 3/4", and > >they iced up like shit.
> >So I built my own windows with double pane with a > >spacing of ~5", however, they can't be sealed, cuz > >of barometric pressure variation, as in the aneroid > >barometric effect. Those windows worked great at > >-40F, but some humidity appeared inside of them.
> >So what I did was to place the moisture absorbing > >crystals via a tube that bleads the barometics off, > >and the inner humidity is gone in about a week.
> >So I build a new house in BC canukistan, and install > >similiar windows, but get this, the BI-guy (Building > >Inspector guy) tells me that my installed windows > >are NOT according to BC building code...duh, I try > >to explain the superority of my window design.
> >Why the fuck a stunned govmonk orders it's workers > >to make new homes retarded is what canuckistan is > >all about.
> >Canuckistan is down the tubes!
> >What's happened is a degradation of leadership such > >that a few morons acquired legal power via politics and > >then think they are smarter than us.
> >Here is what we have to do, repeal seat belt laws!
> >STOP protecting people from themselves. > >Put the responsibility onto the citizen OR the > >citizen will NOT be able to be responsible.
> >The govmonks are attempting to remove the intent > >of responsibility from the citizens, and by doing that, > >declaring the citizens irresponsible.
> >But in truth, the opposite should occur. > >In a true democracy the citizens are empowered to > >maximize responsibity, what happened to that?? > >Regards > >Ken S Tucker
> I think the building inspector doesn't have any choice, no leeway. > Can you go to the building department and get a variance? At least > here in California they can grant a variance from the code if you can > convince them that you're right.
It's my property and my home. The BI-guy had some silly little ANSI spec that for intent was far exceeded, IOW's the govmonks want code compliance without understanding that superior construction that exceeds code is ok.
The BC (Building Code) is a minimum standard, to make sure a building is moderately safe, even for the fukin morons.
That's the problem, our society is vectored to the lowest common denomenator, the fuckin idiots, and normal people are being fucked by that.
As I'll suggest, seat-belt laws, 2nd hand smoke etc. is all paranoid shit. Seems everybody wants to control everbody else just for power.
My self, I'd up-load power to the citizen, to empower the individuals, and let them decide how many donuts they'll eat per day before the govmonks order a complete ban on food advertising, as they did on smokin, drinkin and everything else.
Snow-skiing/snowmobile accidents cost more in accidents than smoking ever did, but those said activities have the auto/oil lobby putting bucks up govmonks asses. Ken
Ken S. Tucker wrote: > On May 14, 1:14 am, Charles <ckr...@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:55:52 -0700 (PDT), "Ken $ Tucker"
>> <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote: >>> On May 13, 2:44 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote: >>>> "Ken $ Tucker" wrote: >>>>> Thanks, these crystals are ~ 1-2 mm boxy shaped. >>>>> Could you guys provids a source where I could purchase >>>>> them? >>>> If you only need a small amount, you could buy >>>> seaweed (called "nori") at an Oriental food store, >>>> and a small packet of them is included with >>>> the seaweed. I'd suggest the "Korean style" >>>> seaweed, usually sold in packs of three containers >>>> for about USD $1 per pack. That'll get you the >>>> most cobalt-doped silia gel for your money.
These days the cobalt(II) chloride indicator is considered a non-trivial toxic and possible cancer risk (by inhalation). See for example:
What do they do for invisible inks in kiddies spy toys now I wonder.
>>> Thanks guys. >>> For a bit of background, I bought a cottage in Muskoka >>> Ont, where temps are -20F in the winter, so I go for >>> upgrading the windows. >>> Well, the fuckin gov and window industry sell me these >>> dual pain (pane) jobs with a space of about 3/4", and >>> they iced up like shit. >>> So I built my own windows with double pane with a >>> spacing of ~5", however, they can't be sealed, cuz >>> of barometric pressure variation, as in the aneroid >>> barometric effect.
Deep separation double or triple glazing is sometimes used in the UK more to stop external noise near busy airports than cold. Cold winter here is seldom below -10C.
>>> Here is what we have to do, repeal seat belt laws!
So long as you also stop treating the fuckwits that injure themselves so badly by not wearing seatbelts I don't have a problem with that.
One was partially beheaded by his laminated windscreen at the end of our road - not a pretty sight. Head went though it and on the whiplash recoil the hole closes.
>>> STOP protecting people from themselves. >>> Put the responsibility onto the citizen OR the >>> citizen will NOT be able to be responsible.
Provided that the citizens are not already so dumb as they seem to be. The queues of clinically obese suckers waiting to gorge on vast amounts of junk food tends to suggest that the public does need some protection from rapacious corporations.
>> I think the building inspector doesn't have any choice, no leeway.
I can see it might be a problem in a listed building or area of historic significance where new windows would have to look exactly right *and* meet the building spec for insulation. But in the UK you would not have any problems with building inspectors being bolshy about windows which exceeded ISO stds being installed into an existing building.
New build would probably be a different kettle of fish altogether.
>> Can you go to the building department and get a variance? At least >> here in California they can grant a variance from the code if you can >> convince them that you're right.
> It's my property and my home. > The BI-guy had some silly little ANSI spec that > for intent was far exceeded, IOW's the govmonks > want code compliance without understanding that > superior construction that exceeds code is ok.
This seems to be your problem.
Given how you have stated your case here are you sure it wasn't that you managed to get up his nose so much that he retaliated by enforcing the precise letter rather than the spirit of the law.
