Well, down here in little ol NZ, chlorine and bleach solutions
wouldn't do much, as most bleach solutions are alkaline sodium
hypochlorite solutions - which will release chlorine if they
are made acid, but remember that ammonia solutions are alkaline.
The following is from an earlier post of mine, and is mainly
from the Kirk Othmer Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology.
[ Begin eye-glazing extract ]
Chlorine-containing Bleaching Agents
There are four classes: chlorine, hypochlorites, N-chloro compounds,
and chlorine dioxide. The first three are classified as "available
chlorine" types, and are subject to the following equilibria, with
rapid rates in aqueous solution.
Cl2 (g) <==> Cl2 (aqueous) (1)
Cl2 (aqueous) + H2O <==> HOCl + H+ + Cl- (2)
HOCl <==> H+ + OCl- (3)
RR'NCl + H2O <==> HOCl + RR'NH (4)
Equilibrium constant at 25C for (2) = 3.94 x 10^-4M
Equilibrium constant at 25C for (3) = 2.88 x 10^-8M
The available chlorine is the equivalent amount of Cl2 required to
produce the oxidant via the above equations. Available chlorine is
also often defined as the chlorine liberated by the action of
dilute acids. In solutions, the concentration of available chlorine
in the form of hypochlorite or hypochlorous acid is called
free-available chlorine.
From the equations, above pH 9.5, more than 99% of available chlorine
is present as hypochlorite ions. The ratio of hypochlorous acid to
hypochlorite ion increases with decreasing pH until pH 5.5, below which
less than 1% of the available chlorine will be hypochlorite ions.
Below pH 6, Cl2 may be present, and the amount increases with decreasing
pH and increasing total available chlorine. With an available chlorine
concentration of 0.1%, Cl2 begins to appear about pH 4, and becomes
dominant about pH 2.5. With an available chlorine concentration of 10%,
Cl2 begins to appear about pH 6, and becomes dominant about pH 4.5.
For a closed system at 25C containing aqueous solution of 0.5 mass %
available chlorine with equimolar chloride, the following major species
concentrations apply;-
Mole
Fraction
1.0 | o o +
|x Cl2 o HOCl o + NaOCl
0.9 | x +
| o o
0.8 | x +
| o o
0.7 | x +
| o o
0.6 | x +
| o o
0.5 | x +
| o o
0.4 | x +
| o o
0.3 | x +
| o o
0.2 | x +
| o o
0.1 | x +
|o x + o
0.0 |____ ____ ____ ____ _x__ __+_ ____ ____ ____ ____o____ ____
| | | | | | | | | | | | |
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
pH
Other species that may be present in minor concentrations are Cl3-
from Cl(aq), and H2OCl+ and Cl2O from HOCl. Solutions of available
chlorine bleaches decompose on standing, with the decomposition
depending on several factors.
Hypochlorous acid; 3HOCl --> HClO3 + 2HCl
Hypochlorite anions; 3OCl- --> ClO3- + 2Cl-
The solutions are most stable above pH 11 where tthe decomposition
rate is nearly independent of pH. In this region, the decomposition
has a second-order dependance on the hypochlorite concentration, and
the rate increases with increasing ionic strength - thus concentrated
solutions will decompose faster than dilute solutions. The activation
energy is high, so the decomposition rate also quickly increases with
temperature. High pH ( >11 ) solutions with <6% available chlorine
have sufficient life at ambient temperatures to be consumer products.
Below pH 11, the decomposition also becomes dependent on pH, with the
rate increasing rapidly as pH decreases to 7 ( where the decomposition
rate peaks ), and then the rate decreases as the pH drops to 3, so that
at pH < 3 the rate is slow, but still faster than at pH 11.
Decomposition is also catalysed by :-
1. Trace concentrations of metals such as Co, Ni, and Cu, via
2OCl- --> O2 + 2Cl-,
2. UV light
3. Acids, via equations (1) and (2).
Sodium Hypochlorite
Usually produced as an aqueous solution by chlorination of bases
( sodium hydroxide is the most common, but also sodium carbonate )
using either chlorine gas or in-situ electrolysis of alkaline salt
solutions. Cl2 + 2NaOH <==> NaOCl + NaCl + H2O
The final pH of retail solutions is adjusted to above 11 to maximise
stability, and the salt is usually not removed. If low salt solutions
are required for specific applications, the starting solution will
be increased to above 20.5% NaOH, and some salt will precipitate, and
the precipitate is filtered off to produce 12 - 15% NaOCl solutions
with only half the salt content.
Solutions with very low salt concentrations are produced by reacting
high purity hypochlorous acid with metal hydroxides. Salt-free
hypochlorous acid solutions heve been economically made from steam
and chlorine ( US patent 4,584,178 ). These solutions may have
sufficient stability at 0C to be sold for industrial use.
[ End extract ]
However, if you really wanted to know what happens when
chlorine-containing bleaches are mixed with ammonia-containing
cleaners, then the reactions obvioulsy are different, and
various chloramines are produced - depending on the
concentrations and ratios of the mixture.
Monochloramine is formed in dilute solutions of ammonia and
hypochlorite when the pH is from 6 - 8. Dichloramine is produced
at much more acidic pH. Trichloramine ( nitrogen trichoride )
forms with acidic pH and a greater excess of hypochlorite.
Note that high rates of production require acidic pH, but that
lower concentrations are produced as the pH is made alkaline,
and also remember that the chloramines are reactive - so if
they don't react with people, they tend to react with other
chemicals.
Trichoramine is volatile, smelly, unstable in sunlight, and
decomposes in water, and sometimes is the " chlorine smell "
around indoor swimming pools.
Monochloramine (NH2Cl) and dichloramine (NHCl2) can produce
respiratory tract irritation and nausea. They decompose in
water to hypochlorous acid and free ammonia gas, the former
combines with moisture forming hydrochloric acid and toxic
nascent oxygen, the latter is a respiratory and mucous membrane
irritant and can cause pulmonary edema and pneumonia.
This topic has been covered many times before in sci.chem, and
a visit to DejaNews should locate much more information.
Followups set to sci.chem only.
Bruce Hamilton
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KEEP IT OUT OF SCI.HCEM, FOOLS!
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>Sodium Hypochlorite
...and then smoke came out.
>This topic has been covered many times before in sci.chem, and
>a visit to DejaNews should locate much more information.
>Followups set to sci.chem only.
> Bruce Hamilton
Followups re-set to include ARK, because I WUV WWEAH IN ALL CAPS!!!
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Remove the guacamole to reply! * Signifying nothing.
>B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Hamilton) writes:
>>Monochloramine (NH2Cl) and dichloramine (NHCl2) can produce
>>respiratory tract irritation and nausea. They decompose in
>>water to hypochlorous acid and free ammonia gas, the former
>>combines with moisture forming hydrochloric acid and toxic
>>nascent oxygen, the latter is a respiratory and mucous membrane
>>irritant and can cause pulmonary edema and pneumonia.
>
>...and then smoke came out.
YAY!
You know it's good when that happens!
>On 16 Jan 1999 00:01:54 GMT, sta...@io.com.guacamole (The Avocado
>Avenger) wrote:
>>B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Hamilton) writes:
>>>Monochloramine (NH2Cl) and dichloramine (NHCl2) can produce
>>>respiratory tract irritation and nausea. They decompose in
>>>water to hypochlorous acid and free ammonia gas, the former
>>>combines with moisture forming hydrochloric acid and toxic
>>>nascent oxygen, the latter is a respiratory and mucous membrane
>>>irritant and can cause pulmonary edema and pneumonia.
>>
>>...and then smoke came out.
>YAY!
>You know it's good when that happens!
The tingle means it's working.
>le...@humongous.com (Leah Verre) writes:
>
>>On 16 Jan 1999 00:01:54 GMT, sta...@io.com.guacamole (The Avocado
>>Avenger) wrote:
>
>>>B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Hamilton) writes:
>
>>>>Monochloramine (NH2Cl) and dichloramine (NHCl2) can produce
>>>>respiratory tract irritation and nausea. They decompose in
>>>>water to hypochlorous acid and free ammonia gas, the former
>>>>combines with moisture forming hydrochloric acid and toxic
>>>>nascent oxygen, the latter is a respiratory and mucous membrane
>>>>irritant and can cause pulmonary edema and pneumonia.
>>>
>>>...and then smoke came out.
>
>>YAY!
>>You know it's good when that happens!
>
> The tingle means it's working.
If you wash your hair, and it tingles, AND smoke comes out .. then you
know it's REALLY WORKING !!!!111!!!!!111
Mmmm! SOMETHING that TINGLES!!!!!!!
-tingle verre
>The following is from an earlier post of mine, and is mainly
>from the Kirk Othmer Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology.
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>>Monochloramine (NH2Cl) and dichloramine (NHCl2) can produce
>>respiratory tract irritation and nausea. They decompose in
>>water to hypochlorous acid and free ammonia gas, the former
>>combines with moisture forming hydrochloric acid and toxic
>>nascent oxygen, the latter is a respiratory and mucous membrane
>>irritant and can cause pulmonary edema and pneumonia.
>>
>>This topic has been covered many times before in sci.chem, and
>>a visit to DejaNews should locate much more information.
>>Followups set to sci.chem only.
>>
>> Bruce Hamilton
>
>
> KEEP IT OUT OF SCI.HCEM, FOOLS!
>
> -Uncle M. Otis Beard
>
Oh goody. Uncle M. joins hands with Uncle A.
- Bob G.
>
>
>Peope Emperor FrogMaN (popellus_...@lart.com) wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Hamilton (B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz) wrote:
>> >
>> > The following is from an earlier post of mine, and is mainly
>> > from the Kirk Othmer Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology.
>>
>> James T. Kirk and Miss Othmar had a lovechild?!!!
>Wa... wa wa wa... wa wa... wa wa wa... wa... WAWAWA! WA!
>WAWAMANEE!!!! SPOCK! WA!
> -- K.
> Some comedy writes itself,
> just not the funny kid.
^^^
Excuse me Mr KiboNess, what KID are you talking about? HUH? HUH?!
HOHN! I think you misplelleled something there, Mr KiboMan! Lemme be the
first to say BOAP! HAHAHA MOO MOO HAHA BOAP! IT'S SO DAMN FUNNY!
I think I forgot my meds again.
>HOHN!
I think I now have a battlecry. FROM THIS DAY FORWARD UNTIL I FORGET
ABOUT IT LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT I SHALL CRY "HOHN!"
>I think you misplelleled something there, Mr KiboMan! Lemme be the
>first to say BOAP!
I think I have another battlecry. FROM THIS DAY FORWARD UNTIL
TOMORROW WHEN I FORGET ABOUT IT LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT I SHALL CRY
"HOHN BOAP!" AS MY BATTLECRY!!!
>HAHAHA MOO MOO HAHA BOAP!
Wow! WB now has a logo: "THE WB NETWORK: HAHAHA MOO MOO HAHA BOAP!"
>IT'S SO DAMN FUNNY!
> I think I forgot my meds again.
Oh, I always forget my meds. It makes things funner.
> HOHN! I think you misplelleled something there, Mr KiboMan! Lemme be the
You misplellel "mispelled"
Teo Mora
Never travel West in the evening, nor East in the morning
> Excuse me Mr KiboNess, what KID are you talking about? HUH? HUH?!
> HOHN! I think you misplelleled something there, Mr KiboMan! Lemme be the
> first to say BOAP! HAHAHA MOO MOO HAHA BOAP! IT'S SO DAMN FUNNY!
> I think I forgot my meds again.
^^^^^^^
Did you know that in Australia, "Meds" is a popular brand of
tampons? (That's "mouse pillows" for you studly chemists who
don't know about gurly things.). This made your last sentence
take on a new SINISTER meaning. Another word that doesn't mean
the same thing in Australian and in USAian is:
In Usa, "Forex" is a brand of condoms. In Australia, "XXXX" is
a brand of beer. The advertising slogans for the beer were:
"I can feel a XXXX coming on" (fnarr fnarr)
"Got the taste for it, just can't wait for it, I can
feel a XXXX coming on!". Also they used "We love it up here!".
cheers
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> sta...@io.com.guacamole (The Avocado Avenger) wrote:
>> Excuse me Mr KiboNess, what KID are you talking about? HUH? HUH?!
>> HOHN! I think you misplelleled something there, Mr KiboMan! Lemme be the
>> first to say BOAP! HAHAHA MOO MOO HAHA BOAP! IT'S SO DAMN FUNNY!
>> I think I forgot my meds again.
>Did you know that in Australia, "Meds" is a popular brand of
>tampons?
I did not know that. Thank you, Mr Manfredjensenjen, for sharing.
Speaking of which, my roomie and I are argumenting about whether you're
male or female. I'm guessing... male.
>(That's "mouse pillows" for you studly chemists who
>don't know about gurly things.). This made your last sentence
>take on a new SINISTER meaning.
^^^^^^^^
YM "disgusting." HTH.
>Did you know that in Australia, "Meds" is a popular brand of
>tampons? (That's "mouse pillows" for you studly chemists who
>don't know about gurly things.).
Speaking of tampons, have you seen tampopo? Its a really cool movie
about noodles and shrimp and breasts and THE PERFECT RECIPE FOR RAMEN!
Terrifyingly tasty, and good for you too!! Back to tampons, I was
watching rowan atkinson in the thin red line the other day on bbc and
this guy bought a tampon and thought it was gum!!11 then he found out
what it really was and got all embarassed and exciting and bounced
around and smacked his head on the ceiling then ran away!11 then
everyone thought he was a homosexual!!1 british people are so weird...
> This made your last sentence
>take on a new SINISTER meaning. Another word that doesn't mean
>the same thing in Australian and in USAian is:
>
>In Usa, "Forex" is a brand of condoms. In Australia, "XXXX" is
>a brand of beer. The advertising slogans for the beer were:
>"I can feel a XXXX coming on" (fnarr fnarr)
>"Got the taste for it, just can't wait for it, I can
>feel a XXXX coming on!". Also they used "We love it up here!".
what kind of name is xxxx for beer? sounds stupid.
Also, ive never heard of forex condoms, but i do listen to trojan
horse man commercials on the radio. Its sort of funny that they would
name a condom after the trojan horse. because there was a suprise
inside that they didnt expect, get it?? Also, what does Forex mean in
Australiaish, all I could find on the www was this:
SNOWBALL FOREX TRADING SYSTEM
SNOWBALL INVESTMENT LOGIC (Smart&Ambitious)
Your Fortune.
Our Concern.
-Sil.
>cheers
>beable of borg
yours in science and noodles,
haon
sanrio shock haiku pacheco squad 3
>inside that they didnt expect, get it?? Also, what does Forex mean in
>Australiaish, all I could find on the www was this:
>SNOWBALL FOREX TRADING SYSTEM
__ __
/ _|_ __ __ _ _ __ _ __ / _|_ __ __ _ _ __ _ __
| |_| '_ \ / _` | '__| '__| | |_| '_ \ / _` | '__| '__|
| _| | | | (_| | | | | | _| | | | (_| | | | |
|_| |_| |_|\__,_|_| |_| |_| |_| |_|\__,_|_| |_|
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> Speaking of tampons, have you seen tampopo? Its a really cool movie
> about noodles and shrimp and breasts and THE PERFECT RECIPE FOR RAMEN!
Tampopo's a great flick. Every year on Christmas Eve, while Kibo
delights children of the world by coming up with new ways for Spot
to die horribly, my mother watches "Babette's Feast" and my father
watches "Tampopo". IN BED. That's not funny because it's all true.
> what kind of name is xxxx for beer? sounds stupid.
Yeah. Up here in the sane hemisphere, xxxx can mean only one thing:
ridiculously expensive pseudo-gourmet hot sauce made from powdered
tarmac. Or tartan, I always get those two confused.
> sanrio shock haiku pacheco squad 3
Bourbon Monew Nama Chocolate, the snack that comes with its own
plastic tuning fork. DIAPASON!
Paul Guertin
p...@sff.net
I liked that movie a lot, mostly because of the Japanese Gregory Peck that
starred in it.
--Terri
.
Imagine my suprise to learn that I am Mr. Guertin's mother. And father.
Well let me know how the argument turns out, so that I
can go and get the necessary operations!
>
> >(That's "mouse pillows" for you studly chemists who
> >don't know about gurly things.). This made your last sentence
> >take on a new SINISTER meaning.
> ^^^^^^^^
> YM "disgusting." HTH.
^^^^^^^^^^
YM "Ammonia mixed with Leah^H^H^H^HBleach" HTH! HAND!
cheers
beable of borg
--
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before. -- Riboflavin
>
> Speaking of tampons, have you seen tampopo? Its a really cool movie
> about noodles and shrimp and breasts and THE PERFECT RECIPE FOR RAMEN!
> Terrifyingly tasty, and good for you too!! Back to tampons, I was
I believe I have seen that movie. I saw some movie about
some d00ds trying to make the perfect bowl of ramen. SURELY
THERE CAN'T BE TWO!
> watching rowan atkinson in the thin red line the other day on bbc and
> this guy bought a tampon and thought it was gum!!11 then he found out
> what it really was and got all embarassed and exciting and bounced
> around and smacked his head on the ceiling then ran away!11 then
> everyone thought he was a homosexual!!1 british people are so weird...
HAW HAW! THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE YOU PUT "RED LINE" BUT IT'S
ACTUALLY CALLED "THE THIN BLUE LINE" AND YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT TAMPONS WHICH HAVE GOT A RED LINE ATTACHED! HAW HAW!
Also British people aren't as weird as GERMANS! GERMANS
FAWLTY! NO I DON'T LIKE GERMANS! [1]
>
> > This made your last sentence
> >take on a new SINISTER meaning. Another word that doesn't mean
> >the same thing in Australian and in USAian is:
> >
> >In Usa, "Forex" is a brand of condoms. In Australia, "XXXX" is
> >a brand of beer. The advertising slogans for the beer were:
> >"I can feel a XXXX coming on" (fnarr fnarr)
> >"Got the taste for it, just can't wait for it, I can
> >feel a XXXX coming on!". Also they used "We love it up here!".
>
> what kind of name is xxxx for beer? sounds stupid.
It all started in Brisbane, Queensland. There was a
brewery making the popular XXX brand of beer. Some
new SMARTARSE brewers decided to make their beer a
little bit stronger and call it XXXX. It caught on,
and this joke explains why:
"Why do Queenlslanders call their beer XXXX?"
"BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SPELL BEER!!! HAW HAW!1!"
>
> Also, ive never heard of forex condoms, but i do listen to trojan
> horse man commercials on the radio. Its sort of funny that they would
> name a condom after the trojan horse. because there was a suprise
> inside that they didnt expect, get it?? Also, what does Forex mean in
> Australiaish, all I could find on the www was this:
>
> SNOWBALL FOREX TRADING SYSTEM
>
> SNOWBALL INVESTMENT LOGIC (Smart&Ambitious)
>
> Your Fortune.
> Our Concern.
> -Sil.
If you pronounce Forex the way USAians pronounce it,
it sounds like "Farex" which is a brand of baby food.
Do they have this brand in USA? How do you tell the
chemist whether you want to by Forex or Farex when
both words sound the same? I guess it doesn't really
matter: "HONEY! I'M BACK! I COULDN'T GET ANY FOREX,
SO I GOT SOME FAREX INSTEAD! WE'RE GONNA HAVE A
BAYBEEEEE!!1!"
[1] Joseph Michael Bay likes GERMANS!!!1!
cheers
beable of borg
> > what kind of name is xxxx for beer? sounds stupid.
>
> It all started in Brisbane, Queensland. There was a
> brewery making the popular XXX brand of beer. Some
> new SMARTARSE brewers decided to make their beer a
> little bit stronger and call it XXXX. It caught on,
You should test the XXXXX brand. It is stronger. And better.
I found that out when it took about eight glasses of water to get one swallowed.
Bill
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