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Yousuf Khan

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Dec 29, 2009, 2:15:33 AM12/29/09
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Two articles about the subject of combining two cheap elements together
to mimic and replace rarer elements. The idea seems so simple, I'm
surprised no one thought about this at least a hundred years ago.

Yousuf Khan

Superatoms mimic elements: Research gives new perspective on periodic table
"The researchers also showed that the atoms that have been identified so
far in these mimicry events can be predicted simply by looking at the
periodic table. The team used advanced experimentation and theory to
quantify these new and unexpected findings. "We're getting a whole new
perspective of the periodic table," said Castleman. The team's findings
will be published in the 28 December 2009 early on-line issue of the
journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, and at a later
date in the print edition of the journal."
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-12/ps-sme122809.php

Research gives new perspective on periodic table
"Castleman said that he doesn't know if the pattern will occur across
the entire periodic table or if it will be confined to only a part of
it. Right now, he and his team are working through the transition-metal
atoms. In the future, they plan to take the research a step further to
investigate whether or not the superatoms are chemically similar to
their respective single atoms. "Platinum is used in nearly all catalytic
converters in automobiles, but it is very expensive," said Castleman.
"In contrast, tungsten carbide, which mimics platinum, is cheap. A
significant amount of money can be saved if catalytic-converter
manufacturers are able to use tungsten carbide instead of platinum.
Likewise, palladium is used in certain combustion processes, yet it is
mimicked by zirconium monoxide, which is less expensive by a factor of
500. Our new findings are exciting from both a scientific as well as a
practical point of view." "
http://www.physorg.com/news181225307.html

Androcles

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Dec 29, 2009, 2:49:24 AM12/29/09
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"Yousuf Khan" <bbb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Two articles about the subject of combining two cheap elements together to
> mimic and replace rarer elements. The idea seems so simple, I'm surprised
> no one thought about this at least a hundred years ago.
>
> Yousuf Khan
The idea is so simple it was thought about at least five thousand years ago.
I'm not really surprised you haven't heard of alloys such as copper+tin
in the Bronze Age, it probably isn't mentioned in the pathetic hyperbole
you spew.

What do you think of this idea?
http://tinyurl.com/yb4c7cr
I'm surprised no one thought about this at least a year ago.

Yousuf Khan

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:40:06 PM12/30/09
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Androcles wrote:
> "Yousuf Khan" <bbb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4b39...@news.bnb-lp.com...
>> Two articles about the subject of combining two cheap elements together to
>> mimic and replace rarer elements. The idea seems so simple, I'm surprised
>> no one thought about this at least a hundred years ago.
>>
>> Yousuf Khan
> The idea is so simple it was thought about at least five thousand years ago.
> I'm not really surprised you haven't heard of alloys such as copper+tin
> in the Bronze Age, it probably isn't mentioned in the pathetic hyperbole
> you spew.

Read it in more than your usual Neanderthal detail, combining elements
together is not the point here. Combining elements together to
chemically mimic another element is the point.

Yousuf Khan

Yevgen Barsukov

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Dec 30, 2009, 4:09:38 PM12/30/09
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Did they check if it has the same catalytic properties as
the element being mimicked? Sometimes electronic similarities alone
are not enough, size and some local fine structure
of electron cloud could make or break catalytic properties...

Regards,
Yevgen

Androcles

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:51:58 PM12/30/09
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"Yousuf Khan" <bbb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So iron and carbon combined don't mimic flint for axes and arrow
points? I'm not really surprised you haven't heard of wrought iron and
steel thought about at least two thousand years ago. Oh wait...
it has to be "chemical". How about saltpetre, carbon and sulphur
to mimic trinitrotoluene? Oh wait... TNT is not an element.
Maybe you could mimic unobtainium for me.

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

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Dec 30, 2009, 6:54:58 PM12/30/09
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He's talking about mimicking chemical properties, not mechanical.

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Dirk

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Androcles

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:03:13 PM12/30/09
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"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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He's talking about combining two cheap elements together to
mimic and replace rarer elements - or at least that's what he said.
Maybe you can't read, but I can.
His idea is so simple it was thought about at least five thousand years
ago, and the same goes for reading.
Give it try, see if you can understand what is written and not what
you infer is written.


YKhan

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Dec 30, 2009, 11:33:46 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 4:09 pm, Yevgen Barsukov <evgen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Did they check if it has the same catalytic properties as
> the element being mimicked? Sometimes electronic similarities alone
> are not enough, size and some local fine structure
> of electron cloud could make or break catalytic properties...

I think that's what they're implying in the article. However, they've
only tried it with a few examples, so they're going to see if it works
or not throughout the periodic table.

Yousuf Khan

Michael Moroney

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Dec 31, 2009, 11:08:40 AM12/31/09
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YKhan <yjk...@gmail.com> writes:

It sounds somewhat like the concept how the ammonium ion (NH4+) resembles
potassium (K+) somewhat, by being about the same size with the same net
charge, or how cyanide (CN-) resembles a halogen ion somewhat.

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