Is Neil Jones a Homosexual or Homophobic
Surfmeister
does this article say neil jones is a homosexual - see
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=neil+jones&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=6AA1CFDDE237D51190160000F805064D27A5C0%40hqmail.gensym.com&rnum=11
i just found it and was curious. it might be the reason he sounds
homophobic.
You know, when Neil Jones responded so badly out of context to my
original
post (which somehow initiated this anti-homosexual thread), I decided
not to
even acknowledge it. I mean, he so blatantly missed the whole point I
was
making - which was how WRONG it would be had I made such a grossly
hypocritical error as to condemn others while being myself quite
worthy of
condemnation - and instead used this point to accuse me of being
anti-homosexual, bigoted, and narrow minded because of my well
self-publicized belief in Jesus Christ.
Interestingly, this bigoted point of view goes completely against the
actual
teachings of Christ and even Judaism, but is constantly misrepresented
both
by the hypocrites and the folks who have been duped to base their
whole
belief systems on their hypocrisy. Instead, Christ found it
appropriate to
love and lay down his life for homosexuals, just as he did me - the
chief of
all sinners, but I digress...
Neil has also publicly accused me of having a chip on my shoulder
against
him primarily because of his public (and intellectually superior)
"debunking" of my faith in God. Oh, if he only knew how wrong he is
indeed.
In fact, my disdain for Neil Jones is a characteristic of the flesh -
stimulated primarily by a humanistic dislike of the self-propagated
electronic version of who I've come to know as "Neil Jones". The
truth of
the matter is that it is because of Christ that I seek a way to love
and
tolerate Mr. Jones in spite of my natural polarization against him -
well,
some of the time I manage to pull this off, anyway. I'm still a work
in
progress, I'm afraid.
The fact of the matter here, regarding homosexuality, is that I have
no
animosity whatsoever for those who have chosen this alternative
lifestyle.
As I've posted here before, I do in fact have friends who are same-sex
persuaded. I'll look forward to new ones in the future. I don't,
however,
share this lifestyle - and I can't honestly embrace it on account of
the
Bible that Neil (and the presidential character in "West Wing") have
so
inappropriately quoted. What is described in the Bible is simply
God's
definition of sin, and as I've made it very clear here - I fail in
many
other categories. So much so, in fact, that I have no business
pointing
condemning fingers at anyone (not even Neil Jones).
So that's about all I have to say on this strictly forbidden topic -
so sue
me if you've chosen to read it and it offends you. As for the Subject
title, well - I was a sailor for 6 years and met more than my share of
amorous shipmates. None of them had Admiral status, however...
Mark Walker.
Martin Bailey wrote:
>
> Dear Alex,
>
> I have been quite sick from gastric-enteritis. So I have had little
> energy
> to do anything. It, therefore, was quite a pleasant surprise to find a L.
> rubrofasciata lurking in the junipers outside my front door. I ran back
> inside and grabbed a spare net. ( I leave my favourite one in my
> vehicle.)
> Success!
>
> Problem. Whenever I go to Vancouver, B.C. I stay at a friend's place. He
> is homo-sexual. What is your position on fellow travellers? Straight
> people such as myself who have gay friends. Do you still want the
> specimen,
> or would you prefer I let it go?
>
> Martin.
>
> p.s. The friend is a pathologist. Needless to say, he is an expert on
> human
> taxonomy.
>
>
>
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Is Neil Jones a Homosexual? see also
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One of the best points I can make about the problems caused by
certain overzealous individuals, claiming to be
environmentalists, but in reality are doing much more harm to
environmental causes than good, is perfectly illustrated below.
According to
the March 15 posting by Neil Jones of the organization known
as The British Butterfly Conservation, he would have you believe that
my
comments are untruthful, while Mr. Jones represents "rational"
thinking.
Most amusing is his claim that he does not wish to see collecting
banned. Lets examine the accuracy of Neil Jones' claims. I'll start
by
quoting Dr. Robert M. Pyle in the December 1995 issue of the _JOURNAL
OF
THE LEPIDOPTERISTS' SOCIETY, Vol 49, No. 4, page 406.
"The British group Butterfly Conservation, however, has adopted an
anti-collecting stance that has alienated and tarred many
entomologists.
I hope this sort of needless polarization can be avoided among North
American collectors and watchers."
Though Dr. Pyle may have disclosed this fact to us only recently,
myself,
and so many others logged onto LEPS-L have known this for quite some
time. Not all members of this organization are anti-collecting, but
certainly its leaders, like Neil Jones, have directly implied and even
stated this fact - and please don't try and argue with a statement
made
by Pyle - Mr. Jones you HATE buttefly collectors. Having noted Mr.
jones
behavior back from March of 1995 on LEPS-L, curiously, I began
printing
and saving most all his postings. I have made him into a case study
infact. Anyone desiring to see where the faults lie, by all means,
please retrieve some of the original messages from LEPS-L made by
Jones
and myself.
Oh my, how Mr. Jones can distort things. He would have you
believe
that I'm some racist, among other slanderous remarks. Here are the
FACTS
which one may retieve from LEPS-L beginning with Neil Jones'
unprovoked
attack on me on January 11, 1996 - notice Neil's name calling where he
specifically states "To continue the animal theme (although I prefer a
less asinine one) he is like a turkey clamoring for an early
Thanksgiving." Of course I responded on January 13, by rebuttting his
name callingby pointing out that he is indeed a radical, and closed my
message with "Still keeping with the animal theme... Now its time to
give
that plucky British Turkey , neil Jones, a good dressing down..."
Perahps my mistake was in trying to fight fire with fire, but somehow
Mr.
Jones claims that calling each other "turkeys" is somehow racist -
Come
on Neil, get rid of your propaganda mentality - AND REMEMBER THAT
EVERY
TIME, IT IS YOU WHO ALWAYS STARTS THE ARGUEMENT (mr. Jones has
beligerently argued with others on LEPS-L as well, so its obviously a
personality defect of his) - Now we are getting somewhere.
Neil Jones minces up quotes I made and slants them biasly (just
like
the USFWS does!). For those desiring to see the entire messages he
picks
the quotes from, look at our postings back and forth, starting january
14
to January 30 on LEPS-L. To briefly summarize, I successfully pointed
out that Mr. Jones' claim of a moth's alleged extinction by
"overcollecting" was nothing more than hearsay - akin to the Loch Ness
monster myth - gosh, lots of people claim they have seen "Nessie" and
swear of its existence, but no-one has ever produced a specimen
(proof),
and recent scientific research at Loch Ness has debunked the myth -
sounds alot like the "overcollecting myth" regarding bug collecting -
lots of people swear by it, yet nobody ever proves anything!!!
But Neil jones' snide remarks and attacks on others have had a
far
more sinister outcome... A perusal of some of Mr. Jones' (and other
Butterfly Conservation radicals), back from June 3, 1995 to about July
6
in LEPS-L where he discusses the dilemna of _Eurodryas aurinia_(a
common
paleartic butterfly of vast distribution, but now rare in Britain & a
few
other W Europpean countries), at a site called "Cwmgwrach", slated to
be
turned into a coal mine by Celtic Power. Perhaps they could have
addressed the problem seriously, BUT INSTEAD they talk about "witches"
and that "King Arthur's band of warriors are sleeping nearby", add in
the
"tree people" (whom I refer to as "tree hippies" for a more accurate
term) run amok and protesting at the site, and we have a real joke
fest!
Too bad Britains greatest contribution to western civilization, THE
BENNY
HILL SHOW isn't still around to further the cause with one of Benny's
famous fast-motion skits!!!
But look at the sobering news that Neil Jones posts to LEPS-L on
March 8, 1996, titled BLACK DAY FOR TOP BUTTERFLY SITE, reveals that
the
circus at Cwmgwrach (supported by Butterfly "Conservation") was to no
avail. Celtic Power is moving in! Gosh, I WONDER WHY Neil Jones &
his
gang of "eco-fanatics" failed miserably in their quest?
Certainly, part of this failure is due to Neil Jones beligerent
behavior and his failure to seriously negotiate matters with British
officials which he has attacked in the past (yet he says that I should
not criticize certain U.S. officials -USFWS). I do not like some of
the
collecting laws but the reason I encourage everyone to obey the laws
(as
they have been taken seriously since 1992), and I obey court orders,
is
to demonstrate my willingness to cooperate and negotiate matters with
the
opposition. When there are "eco-warriors" who routinely break the law
and show no regard for law and order, however, their mission fails.
Don't you realize that your outlandish acts only breed public contempt
for environmental issues? Outside of the small entomology crowd, my
"butterfly bust" is considered a big joke by the public. Please put
aside your warped morals and get in touch with the REAL WORLD.
Neil, do you not notice in my earlier recent postings, that I
indeed predicted that your efforts would fail! A simple deduction,
given
the fact that I can accurately label you a "nutty radical" Whether
the
"lunatic fringe" are members of Butterfly Conservation or the U.S.
Fish &
Wildlife Service, they will only bring destruction to their causes.
But
I also realize that the radical will never abdicate willingly, hencer
why
I feel the best remedy is to call for more rational members of an
organization (be it the B.C. or the USFWS) to remove the radicals and
restore reasonable cooperation -- indeed we should take Dr. robert
Pyle's
advice more seriously... Clean up your act Neil - if you can.
Sincerely,
Tom
Neil Jones
> Is Neil Jones a Homosexual? Homophobic or just a Wacko?
>
> does this article say neil jones is a homosexual - see
In case anyone reading this wonders (and I know most people will have
realised who this is and why this is happening). It appears that
"Surfmeister" is a psudonym of one Hans Schnauber, a well known
individual in the butterfly world.
Mr Schnauber is worth an internet search. You will find the stories
of his legal battles with a whole set of companies over what is
popularly known as "cybersquating". He has unfortunately drawn
ridicule on the world of lepidopterists by registering names that
properly belonged to other people and drawing attention to his own
personality by saying he was doing it all for the butterflies. He is
also the founder of the now defunct but grandiosely named
"International Federation of Butterfly Enthusiasts",( I have not seen
much from this organisation other than a website) and author of the
"Internet Declaration of Independence".
I am not a homosexual or a homophobe nor am I "a wacko". I am a
conservationist who works in leading positions in a number of
promenant organisations in my home country. The reference to
homosexuality occured when someone made an offesivly stereotypical
remark which I corrected. I believe that bigotted prejudice is wrong
and I quoted Martin Luther King in my answer.
There are two postings in Mr Schauber's attack on me. One is by Mark
Walker and is taken rather out of context. Mark is an OK kind of guy
who is unfortunately, in my view, blinded from science by religion. He
just gets upset occasionally and misunderstands what I am saying. The
other is by a convicted felon who has been such a pest on the internet
in the past, that I will follow tradition and just refer to him as "He
Who Must Not Be Named". http://www.wildlifewebsite.com/faq for more
information.
His ranting on the net started after his conviction where he "went
postal" with a number of mesages on the net and made long rambling
attacks on all and sundry claiming he had been the victim of a
conspiracy. This is despite he and his fellow felons having signed
letters with phrases such as "Yours in Crime"!
I appear to have become the attention of Mr Schnauber's ranting
because I disagree with his views and have pointed out his other
postings to other people who have then lost faith in him having
credibility. There may also be an element of jealousy since I have had
success on the web and own one of the largest wildlife related
websites. I also own the site butterflyguy.com and he uses the name
"Butterfly guy " to describe himself regularly. (He has been an avid
collector of internet names.)
--
Neil Jones- Ne...@nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.butterflyguy.com/
"At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the
butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn
Bog National Nature Reserve.