Hey, deep ecologists: the planet is not your nature preserve!
Eric Gisin
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http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/2009/05/hey-deep-ecologists-planet-is-not-your.html
May 26, 2009
Hey, deep ecologists: the planet is not your nature preserve! - An SD Classic
In the absence of a Creator a number of people have taken to worshipping the next best thing,
creation itself. This phenomenon has been exemplified by the rise of Gainism and the Gaianists.
Given the poor state of the environment today this sentiment has mutated into the kind of
reverential desperatism and misanthropism that is now the all too familiar opium promoted by the
deep ecologists. God may be dead, but religious sensibilities that showcase the unworthiness of man
have been retained by these radical environmentalists, resulting in a worldview that perpetuates
defeatism, shamefulness and self-loathing.
The deep ecologists and Gainists ascribe divine status to nature-a kind of neo-pantheism--and like
their religious forbearers, have insisted on keeping humanity outside the gates of heaven. In their
view, man is dirty, irreverent, and profane. His sheer presence is an affront to the divine
processes of nature, the very cause of paradise lost; terms like 'biodiversity', 'symbiogenesis',
'biosphere', and 'homeostasis' have replaced the old religious canons.
The Earth, they would argue, would be better off without the meddling of humanity and their
omnipresent disruptive technologies. The deep ecologists are on a self-prescribed mission to
recover paradise and turn the Earth into a giant nature preserve where the only observers would be
those creatures trapped in endless cycles of mindless selection and procreation. Birth, life,
death, birth, life, death-the perpetuation of the Darwinian cycle as an end unto itself, a cycle
with no other purpose than to satiate the aesthetic sensibilities of the nature worshippers.
But there is a cure to the new quasi-religious environmentalist fervor: humanism. And it doesn't
matter what kind of humanism, be it secular humanism, Christian humanism, Buddhist humanism, or
transhumanism. Even better are those humanistic codes, like Buddhism and transhumanism, which are
nonanthropocentric and demand the respect of all life. Humanist sensibilities work to ensure that
it is the quality of life that is maintained rather than pseudoscientific and quasi-religious
abstractions.
One can be an environmentalist and a humanist. The key is to make this planet habitable,
sustainable and humane. It is this last crucial point that the Gainists and deep ecologists have
failed to grasp, and in so doing, have come to represent a dangerous and misguided ideology.
This article was originally published on June 14, 2006.
James
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What pisses me off is that they believe they own the fucking planet and
anybody not acting as they do are the scum that are trespassing on their
Mount Olympus as they function as caretaker gods. Such attitudes are
another reason that the whole idea of eugenics did not completely go
away. I'd have no problem having them sterilized.
John M.
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Why not just have them killed, like the nasty, little fascist you
really are.
James
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Good thought. Leave it to little Nazis like you who want sceptics tried,
convicted and hanged to think of that.
richp
> Environmentalism: the religion of self-hatred and the myth of primatives living in harmony with
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May you enjoy life on a dead planet
richp
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May you also enjoy life on a dead planet
richp
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And you think you are not a nazi
James
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Ahh, one of the gods is doing his best.
John M.
James is one of a rather small, sad minority of people whose
'spirituality' is a few cents short of a dollar. You can see quite a
few of them here on alt.global-warming, sounding off about "greens"
and "enviromentalists". They try to play catch-up by engaging in all
kinds of superstitious twaddle called "religion".
Perhaps we should pity them, not castigate them. Those who cannot
enjoy communion with nature have missed out on one of life's best
things.
Fran
Those who can't enjoy community with other humans are also
impoverished.
Fran
John M.
I think that goes with the territory. Our evolutionary history more or
less guarantees it.
James
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Another god on Mount Olympus. What would Gaia do without you?
John M.
You're still a mangy, little, fascist running-dog, no matter how much
you try to disguise it.
James
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Such hate seems to be an enviro signature. Tsk. Gaia wouldn't approve
I'm sure.
Fran
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> > Another god on Mount Olympus. What would Gaia do without you?
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> You're still a mangy, little, fascist running-dog, no matter how much
> you try to disguise it
As intellectually and ethically objectionable as are the things James
posts here, this description of him isn't apt.
As much as I share the disdain you have for James's copy and paste
screeds, I believe people who are serious about the claims they make
should be cautious in their use of words.
There are very few actual fascists in the world, and all of them are
people who are predisposed to violence or violent intimidation of
those who are seen as culturally deviant or in some way threatening to
the privileges of the world's ruling elites. James has said nothing
that suggests he'd bomb an abortion clinic, or harass/intimidate
people on the basis of their ethnicity or gender or sexuality or try
organising/participating in a force of strikebreakers or rightwing
vigilantes.
Merely being a reactionary doesn't make one a fascist. Indeed, even
being a rightwing autocrat doesn't strictly-speaking, make one a
fascist (though if you're a victim of some repressive autocrat,
whether he deserves the label "fascist" is probably moot).
As far as I can tell, James is either a lonely troll who has worked
out that posting in his style can get him some human contact, and/or
simply an intellectual indolent for whom the verities of conservative
populism demand the least effort to grasp.
Fran
John M.
I think James proposal of forced sterilisation for people who disagree
with his strange world-view is pretty clearly a fascist idea.
Fran
Certainly it's violently coercive and incompatible with his broader
claim to stand for individual freedom, but I suspect that this was him
merely venting to provoke an outraged response -- standard troll-
bait.
I'm ready for him to correct me on this point but it doesn't occur to
me that he was seriously proposing it.
Proposals for forced sterilisation, while utterly repulsive, are by no
means monopolised by fascists. Consider the famous case of Buck v
Bell (Virginia 1927) in which the court found that sterilizing a
"feebleminded and promiscuous person" was legitimate. Liberal judge
Oliver Wendell Holmes, wrote for the majority as follows:
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We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the
best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not
call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these
lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in
order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for
all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring
for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can
prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The
principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to
cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.
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Three generations of imbeciles are enough
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Interestingly, Buck v Bell was later cited by actual fascists when
they set about mass sterilizing "feebleminded" people, and for their
eugenic position in general
Fran
James
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Not at all. It has nothing to do with politics or political theory. It
is eugenics which took place right here in the US and other places. Even
FDR was a believer in it as were many high officials and well known
people. As Germany took it to the extreme in WWII, it was denied as
poppycock here and when it became fact to the world after the war, these
same people didn't seem to have even heard of the term. Sterilisation in
this country was real and while it was not undertaken on any massive
scale like the holocaust, it took place enough that some states created
new departments to evaluate potential candidates. Ol Adolf was convinced
as his life ended that the world would be grateful to him in the end for
making such a fantastic effort even though his world domination scheme
failed.
Bill Ward
People who think that only they know how to save the world are far more
dangerous than less righteous persons. An everyday criminal at least
knows he's doing wrong. Would-be world saviours have excused the most
horrible actions, because they have convinced themselves it's for the
greater good. I see no sign of that changing anytime soon.
James
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Well said. The difference now is that it is a collective with no defined
leader. More like a religous movement. The early Islamic one comes to
mind. Not as violent of course but hurtful and unethical nevertheless
with no remorse.
John M.
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How strange you chose that religion, instead of the equally idiotic -
and far nastier historically - Xtianity. Did you never read the
history of that awful ideology? Try reading up on Europe in the Middle
Ages.
James
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Certainly there are many similarities. I picked islam because it was
gained mostly with the threat of 'convert or die'.
John M.
As opposed to the offer made to heretics by the Inquisition - 'repent
- then die nastily anyway, but slightly less brutally'.
James
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As I said there are similarities. The inquisition won't hold a candle to
the Islamic conquering IMO. Nor witch burnings but this is not an
argument unless you want it to be.
Bill Ward
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I think it would be a rather pointless argument. Morgan has some
unresolved religious conflicts only he can work through. Not recognizing
that, he persists in projecting his problems onto others by routinely
assigning religious beliefs to people, as though he could somehow read
minds. I see no reason to play the role of enabler.
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islam because it was gained mostly with the threat of 'convert or
die'."
you mean to say you picked a subject you know nothing about, once
again demonstrating your complete ignorance...
John M.
So if you wish to compare like for like then we can turn to the
conquest of the Amerindians in Central and South America or that of
the Philippines. Some conquests are still proceeding as low-level,
covert wars. In fact both in the Amazon rainforest (xtians) and New
Guinea (mohameddans) natives are being deliberately exterminated.
The formula is simple and always the same. Persuade yourself and
others in your clique that "they" out-there are different and
therefore somehow less than human - and you get to treat them like
animals. Not difficult to do given the cultural habits of some tribal
peoples when compared and contrasted to 21st century man.