Lake Eyre South Australia , a natural " Iron fertilization " experiment , with pictures
kangarooistan
experiment , and several smaller lakes that dry out before algae grow
are good controls , as are the nearby seas that receive iron rich run
off after heavy rain , clearly Iron fertilization will not only cure
global warming and increase fish many many times for a few cents ,
eventually when the public discover it the "experts" will all get
sacked for not admitting the cure earlier
When the public discover the cure to global warming is simply to add
used" tin" cans to the sea , will not only cure global warming for
free , it will also feed several billion people as a bonus as fish
return to the ocean
kangarooistan
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Water catchment basin feeding Lake Eyre,
http://www.lebmf.gov.au/agreement/images/map.jpg
http://www.lebmf.gov.au/basin/images/map2.jpg
Lake Eyre after 2000 floods , 10,000 sq km inland sea , flooded with
red waters
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/151915-md.jpg
Millions of birds arrive within weeks
http://bird.net.au/bird/images/9/92/Lake_Hart.jpg
A million Pelicans must eat something ,
http://www.lcsd.gov.hk/CE/Museum/Space/Programs/Omnimax/Australia/Ima...
a_3s.jpg
http://www.epa.qld.gov.au/environment/park/cyberrangers/archives/dese...
ridflo1.jpg
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What is turning the lake GREEN ? = algae , what do you suppose the
pelicans are eating , and why are they so attracted to green water if
its bad
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http://www.wrightsair.com.au/lake%20eyre%20pelicans%2002aug07.jpg
Lake Eyre itself lies 15 metres below sea level, and usually contains
only salt. In flood years it fills and for a short time undergoes an
period of rapid growth and fertility: long-dormant marine creatures
multiply and millions of waterbirds arrive to feed and raise their
young before the waters evaporate once more.
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FISH ???
The Barcoo grunter, Scortum barcoo, is a freshwater finfish native to
the Lake Eyre and Bulloo-Bancannia catchments. The natural habitat of
the barcoo grunter includes the low gradient rivers and creeks of the
Lake Eyre Catchment. Waters are generally highly turbid and have a
wide temperature and conductivity range.
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Jade perch have been reported to reach 450 g after 4 months and 800 g
in 7 months from an advanced fingerling size. Maximum densities are
usually about 40-50 kg per cubic metre.,production of 5 to 10 tonnes
per hectare is attainable.
http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/14076.html
What colour do you think the water is as it floods Lake Eyre ?
http://www.benedictine.org.au/Flooded%20road%20near%20Beltana%202.JPG
Red dust every where , except on Lake Eyre after algae suck up every
molecule of Iron
http://www.verkuil.biz/Pictures/2007Australia/Aus008.jpg
A
Satelite pictures of Lake Eyre , showing algae growth after floods
http://eosweb.larc.nasa.gov/HPDOCS/misr/misr_images/lake_eyre.jpg
Thousands of pelicans arrive soon after floods , notice colour of
water , why after servral months is the lake white again , why is it
not red like all around ? algae ate the iron , every last molecule of
iron = sucked up by algae = eaten by small fish =. eaten by pelicans
, who leave when there are no more fish
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/08/pelicans9407_wideweb__470x3...
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The various sorts of algae play significant roles in aquatic ecology.
Microscopic forms that live suspended in the water column
(phytoplankton) provide the food base for most marine food chains.
In very high densities (so-called algal blooms) these algae may
discolor the water and outcompete, poison, or asphyxiate other life
forms.
Seaweeds grow mostly in shallow marine waters, however some have been
recorded to a depth of 300 m.[4]Some are used as human food or
harvested for useful substances such as agar, carrageenan, or
fertilizer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae
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terryc
> Lake Eyre in South australia makes a great natural iron fertilization
> experiment , and several smaller lakes that dry out before algae grow
> are good controls , as are the nearby seas that receive iron rich run
> off after heavy rain , clearly Iron fertilization will not only cure
> global warming and increase fish many many times for a few cents ,
Umm, I stand to be corrected, but how is iron fertilisation going to
increase the fish in Lake Eyre?. would you outline the food/nutrient
chain involved please?
kangarooistan
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:07:48 -0700, kangarooistan wrote:
> > Lake Eyre in South australia makes a great natural iron fertilization
> > experiment , and several smaller lakes that dry out before algae grow
> > are good controls , as are the nearby seas that receive iron rich run
> > off after heavy rain , clearly Iron fertilization will not only cure
> > global warming and increase fish many many times for a few cents ,
>
> increase the fish in Lake Eyre?. would you outline the food/nutrient
> chain involved please?
By way of a natural experiment , I examined what happens to Lake Eyre
when in floods with iron rich run off water after big rains inland
Australia and also where iron rich run off water from what I call "
red dirt " country and enters the sea after big rains , an event that
has been in decline for about 100 years as we use more water for
irigation , lees iron rich water enters the sea , and less algae =
fish are caught every year
If you take a look online there are many pictures that show clearly
what actually happens
http://images.google.com.au/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=en&q=lake+eyre+floods&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2
In Lake Eyre , 10,000 sq km lake that is mostly a dry white lake bed ,
receives red water from floods
Algae soon blooms and fish washed into the lake eat the algae, breed
and grow rapidly , and attract Pelicans who eat the fish ,
Until all the iron is consumed by the algae
Then the experiment unwinds slowly until all iron has been vacuumed up
by algae and all algae vacuumed up by fish
and all fish vacuumed up by pelicans
who fly away by the millions , with the iron in their blood and bones
leaving a snow white lake bed with not a single atom of iron left ,
snow white , exactly like what we see on the beach ,white sand with
nil iron , snow white beach sand , unless near volcano or pollution
A careful examination show vast vast vast increases in life where iron
enters salt water all around Australia coast , in direct proportions
to how much iron enters , = how much life exists , = how much calcium
carbonate / shells coral and limestone has built up over thousands of
years
vast amounts of carbon are used by the algae , that eventually pass
along the food chain until they end up sequestrated as limestone in
marine environments , vast vast vast amounts down stream from natural
iron sources
If you google up the images you an test the theory out online , use a
bit of your time and you too will see that iron fertilization of the
sea is the only way to cure global warming
When the poor peoples discover that all they need to do is add their
used tin cans to the sea near where they fish and wait 3 months and
see ten fold increase of fish caught , all at nil cost , when they
used their waste tin cans , global warming will be cured and fish
catch will solve food shortages
Fish in ten years , time will be cheaper than rice , and will replace
rice as the main food of billions
kangarooistan
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terryc
> On Jun 6, 1:35 am, terryc <newssixspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:07:48 -0700, kangarooistan wrote:
>> > Lake Eyre in South australia makes a great natural iron fertilization
>> > experiment , and several smaller lakes that dry out before algae grow
>> > are good controls , as are the nearby seas that receive iron rich run
>> > off after heavy rain , clearly Iron fertilization will not only cure
>> > global warming and increase fish many many times for a few cents ,
>>
>> Umm, I stand to be corrected, but how is iron fertilization going to
>> increase the fish in Lake Eyre?. would you outline the food/nutrient
>> chain involved please?
>
> By way of a natural experiment ,
Fscarking typical. Prepared to totally destroy and ecosystem that hass
been survving for millenium so you can wank around in your fallic motor
car.
> I examined what happens to Lake Eyre
> when in floods with iron rich run off water after big rains inland
> Australia and also where iron rich run off water from what I call " red
> dirt " country and enters the sea after big rains , an event that has
> been in decline for about 100 years as we use more water for irigation ,
> lees iron rich water enters the sea , and less algae = fish are caught
> every year
Aah, i thought so. You haven't a clue about the real eco system of
Australian perennial waterways. You display no knowledge of a vital
compent, which is the real reason why their ecosystemshave been declining.
> Algae soon blooms and fish washed into the lake eat the algae, breed and
> grow rapidly , and attract Pelicans who eat the fish ,
Missing steps.
kangarooistan
Yep mate
laugh all you like , iron fertilization will cure global warming , in
time even you will inform yourself , its real easy now
kangarooistan
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If it took many decades for the experts to accept bread mould /
penicillin could save millions of lives , How long will it take the
"experts" to accept old tin cans /. "iron fertilization" will cure
global warming and feed billions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillin#Discovery_and_history
Iron fertilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iron fertilization is the intentional introduction of iron to the
upper ocean to increase the marine food chain and to sequester carbon
dioxide from the ...
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization
The discovery of penicillin is attributed to Scottish scientist Sir
Alexander Fleming in 1928 and the development of penicillin for use as
a medicine is attributed to the Australian Nobel Laureate Howard
Walter Florey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penicillin#Discovery_and_history
However, several others had noted earlier the bacteriostatic effects
of Penicillium: The first published reference appears to have been in
1875, when it was reported to the Royal Society in London by John
Tyndall[1]. Ernest Duchesne documented it in his 1897 paper; however
it was not accepted by the Institut Pasteur because of his young age.
In March 2000, doctors at the San Juan de Dios Hospital in San Jose
(Costa Rica) published manuscripts belonging to the Costa Rican
scientist and medical doctor Clodomiro (Clorito) Picado Twight
(1887-1944). The manuscripts explained Picado's experiences between
1915 and 1927 about the inhibitory actions of the fungi of genera
Penic. Clorito Picado had reported his discovery to the Paris Academy
of Sciences, yet did not patent it, even though his investigation had
started years before Fleming's.
Fleming recounted later that the date of his breakthrough was on the
morning of Tuesday, September 28, 1928[2]. At his laboratory in the
basement of St. Mary's Hospital in London (now part of Imperial
College), Fleming noticed a halo of inhibition of bacterial growth
around a contaminant blue-green mold Staphylococcus plate culture.
Fleming concluded that the mold was releasing a substance that was
inhibiting bacterial growth and lysing the bacteria. He grew a pure
culture of the mold and discovered that it was a Penicillium mold, now
known to be Penicillium notatum. Charles Thom, an American specialist
working at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, was the acknowledged
expert, and Fleming referred the matter to him. Fleming coined the
term "penicillin" to describe the filtrate of a broth culture of the
Penicillium mold. Even in these early stages, penicillin was found to
be most effective against Gram-positive bacteria, and ineffective
against Gram-negative organisms and fungi. He expressed initial
optimism that penicillin would be a useful disinfectant, being highly
potent with minimal toxicity compared to antiseptics of the day, but,
in particular, noted its laboratory value in the isolation of
"Bacillus influenzae" (now Haemophilus influenzae)[3]. After further
experiments, Fleming was convinced that penicillin could not last long
enough in the human body to kill pathogenic bacteria, and stopped
studying penicillin after 1931, but restarted some clinical trials in
1934 and continued to try to get someone to purify it until 1940[4].
In 1930 Cecil George Paine, a pathologist at the Royal Infirmary in
Sheffield, attempted to treat sycosis - eruptions in beard follicles -
but was unsuccessful, probably because the drug did not get deep
enough. Moving on to ophthalmia neonatorum - a gonococcal infection in
babies - he achieved the first cure on 25 November 1930. He cured four
patients (one adult, three babies) of eye infections, although a fifth
patient was not so lucky[5].
In 1939, Australian scientist Howard Florey (later Baron Florey) and a
team of researchers (Ernst Boris Chain, A. D. Gardner, Norman Heatley,
M. Jennings, J. Orr-Ewing and G. Sanders) at the Sir William Dunn
School of Pathology, University of Oxford made significant progress in
showing the in vivo bactericidal action of penicillin. Their attempts
to treat humans failed due to insufficient volumes of penicillin (the
first patient treated was Reserve Constable Albert Alexander), but
they proved it harmless and effective on mice[6].
Some of the pioneering trials of penicillin took place at the
Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford. On March 14, 1942, John Bumstead and
Orvan Hess became the first in the world to successfully treat a
patient using penicillin[7][8].
The challenge of mass-producing the drug had been daunting. On March
14, 1942 the first patient was successfully treated for streptococcal
septicemia with U.S.-made penicillin. Half of the total supply
produced at the time was used on that one patient. By June 1942 there
was just enough U.S. penicillin available to treat ten patients[9]. A
moldy cantaloupe in a Peoria, Illinois market in 1943 was found to
contain the best and highest-quality penicillin after a world-wide
search[10]. The discovery of the cantaloupe, and the results of
fermentation research on corn-steep liquid at the Northern Regional
Research Laboratory at Peoria, Illinois, allowed the USA to produce
2.3 million doses in time for the invasion of Normandy in the spring
of 1944.
Penicillin was being mass-produced in 1944
Penicillin was being mass-produced in 1944
During World War II, penicillin made a major difference in the number
of deaths and amputations caused by infected wounds among Allied
forces, saving an estimated 12%-15% of lives.[citation needed]
Availability was severely limited, however, by the difficulty of
manufacturing large quantities of penicillin and by the rapid renal
clearance of the drug, necessitating frequent dosing. Penicillins are
actively secreted, and about 80% of a penicillin dose is cleared
within three to four hours of administration. During those times, it
became common procedure to collect the urine from patients being
treated so that the penicillin could be isolated and reused[11].
This was not a satisfactory solution, however; so researchers looked
for a way to slow penicillin secretion. They hoped to find a molecule
that could compete with penicillin for the organic acid transporter
responsible for secretion such that the transporter would
preferentially secrete the competitive inhibitor. The uricosuric agent
probenecid proved to be suitable. When probenecid and penicillin are
concomitantly administered, probenecid competitively inhibits the
secretion of penicillin, increasing penicillin's concentration and
prolonging its activity. The advent of mass-production techniques and
semi-synthetic penicillins solved supply issues, and this use of
probenecid declined.[11] Probenecid is still useful, however, for
certain infections requiring particularly high concentrations of
penicillins[12].
The chemical structure of penicillin was determined by Dorothy
Crowfoot Hodgkin in the early 1940s. A team of Oxford research
scientists led by Australian Howard Florey, Baron Florey and including
Ernst Boris Chain and Norman Heatley discovered a method of mass-
producing the drug. Chemist John Sheehan at MIT completed the first
total synthesis of penicillin and some of its analogs in the early
1950s, but his methods were not efficient for mass production. Florey
and Chain shared the 1945 Nobel prize in medicine with Fleming for
this work, and, after WWII, Australia was the first country to make
the drug available for civilian use. Penicillin has since become the
most widely-used antibiotic to date, and is still used for many Gram-
positive bacterial infections.
terryc
> On Jun 6, 8:00 pm, terryc <newssixspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
> Yep mate
>
> laugh all you like , iron fertilization will cure global warming , in
> time even you will inform yourself , its real easy now
Unfortunately, you are not Florey or Fleming, so that is all irrelevant.
If you had thought out your scheme to jst turn the oceans into a giant
garbage dump, which is what it is, you would realise that the algae are at
the top of the oceans and your tin cans are going to be on the bottom
where there is little oxygen and light.
Further, your food chain sucks.
Lastly, they have done the experiment in the ocean and the numbers don't
stack up.
kangarooistan
Straw man
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This article is about the logical fallacy. For other uses, see Straw
man (disambiguation).
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation
of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a
straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially
resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then
attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately
overstating the opponent's position).[1] A straw man argument can be a
successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading
people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because
the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]
Its name is derived from the practice of using straw men in combat
training.[citation needed] In such training, a scarecrow is made in
the image of the enemy with the single intent of attacking it[3].[not
in citation given] Such a target is, naturally, immobile and does not
fight back, and is not as realistic to test skill against compared to
a live and armed opponent. It is occasionally called a straw dog
fallacy, scarecrow argument, or wooden dummy argument.[citation
needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Why would anybody place tin cans below the areas where algae grow ??
Iron fertilization of the sea is the cure for global warming and the
future food for the people
Why try and feed the world using less than one percent of the wolds
water while over looking the potential of the 97% that is in the
oceans , Iron deficiency is the limiting factor , and we are making
iron deficient oceans worse by using most natural run off to grow
crops instead of permitting the rivers to carry much needed iron into
the oceans
we the people can cure global warming and feed the population many
times over simply by adding our used " tin cans " to the ocean as
slow release iron to increase algae and prawn /brine shrimp numbers
100 fold as happens in Lake Eyre
terryc
You should save your straw for the farmer stock. They need it in many
areas.
> we the people can cure global warming and feed the population many times
> over simply by adding our used " tin cans " to the ocean as slow
> release iron to increase algae and prawn /brine shrimp numbers 100 fold
> as happens in Lake Eyre
Actually, as isn't happening. and if you understand why it isn't
happening, then you'll understand why we can not feed the population many
times over.