Oh GOD this is happy news! I was searching "Daniel Joseph Min" as
I usually do on my favorite search engines (AltaVista, Yahoo etc.)
to check on my websites' rankings--and lo and behold, I find THIS:
On 14 Nov 2004, danieljos...@yahoo.com (Daniel Joseph Min) wrote:
>Hitler was a leader who emulated divine love and we ought to go dig up
>his corpse and clone him. He fought for the preservation of human
>purity. We need to put dozens of Hitlers in charge of every nation on
>the face of the earth so he can move forward and sweep the mud-tainted
>scum off the face of this planet.
>Everywhere you turn you've got primates, pansies, and other perverted
>riff-raff screaming for their rights. Why the hell would we cast
>pearls before swine, all they want to do is fornicate and sell each
>other crack. Not on my watch, the hell with all of them.
>--
> We are Many
>Mark 5:9
I've had a GREAT Thanksgiving thus far, the best yet in my 47 years.
Even Friday is still Thanksgiving for my larger family get-together,
which is more religious than our smaller, more casual Thursday feasts.
I'm tickled PINK that my now-defeated enemies continue to resort to
posting amateurishly-lame forgeries to the usenet newsgroups. By now,
they KNOW that I've known for years what they've been up to, even back
to their "happy clown" days, whereupon I'd first spotted their weakness
and proceeded to tear them apart limb by limb. Bush 2000, and Bush 2004.
Schwarzenegger 2008. ACLU dead. Roe v. Wade dead. Liberal judges dead.
Ten Commandments ALIVE and well. Homosexual marriage dead. Every liberal
socio-political and religious issue DEAD and BURIED! I call that VICTORY,
and to the victor goes the spoils. I'm GLOATING over the liberals' DEATH.
Separation of Church and State, that's fine. But GOD & State are MARRIED.
You see, for whatever His reason, God the Creator decided to imbue this
incarnation of mine with a profoundly-keen sense of pattern recognition.
Why? I really don't know. It just is. Maybe it's true that God wanted
to make sure that the Anti-Christ liberals would be utterly DESTROYED
over the course of these the greatest & most terrible times the world
has ever known--even as Jesus Christ warned would occur in Matthew 24.
I cannot say. I don't know God's will, save for that testified to by
Jesus Christ through the holy scriptures. I'm not exactly a godly man
myself, nor have I ever been. And yet the Gods hold purpose for us all.
Mine appears to have been to help *DESTROY* the liberals, and to write
those several books and articles I've written. Only our future history
can be the judge of such matters. I do know that liberalism is *TOAST*,
and liberals are sobering up to this FACT in the wake of November 2nd.
For now, I'm satisfied knowing that the liberals are a dying breed of
rabidly-insane inhuman animals destined for the fiery pit of barratry.
For whatever infinitesimal part I've had in expediting their departure
from the Earth, I pray that my heavenly father will forgive me for not
doing vastly MORE than I have done to make it so. But by the looks of
it, together with MILLIONS of other law-abiding God-fearing patriotic
American voters, we have collectively turned the corner against these
terrorist-supporting left-wing liberal Democrats. Thank GOD for that!
With our President's rock-solid MANDATE, we're going in for the KILL.
Thus I thank you liberals for helping us to DESTROY you--even by your
laughably-obvious forgeries with my name in the message. Don't you see?
That HELPS to boost my rankings on the Google-archives as well as for
my websites to which I've uploaded my PDF-formatted freeware books on
the subject. Truly, I do humbly Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Enjoy!
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=XJBDEJF13826...@anonymous.poster
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Min perfectly fulfills the definition of a(n) ..........?
(Answers on a postcard please)
Chris.B
Hitler was a brilliant lower echelon officer and strategist, poor
general officer, brilliant publicist. Had Hitler done any of U-boated
the North Atlantic more vigorously, hit the RAF harder, bombed British
docks instead of urban London, economically gone for the oil-rich
Caucasus instead of politically for Moscow, had the Japanese keep
Pearl Harbor in their pants, developed a four-engine heavy bomber...
and not chronically gulped newly invented amphetamines he would have
done much better than a strong second in WWII.
Britain collapses into a negotiated peace. America through Joe
Kennedy strikes a deal. Europe is united - one language, one
electrical outlet, one set of phone noises, one massive efficient
economy. Russia is crushed, France is civilized. von Braun does some
serious work (and with no Not A Space Agency to screw up). Put
jackbooted Lutherans in charge and fire up the camps to finish
cleaning house through Siberia.
Africa, the Middle East, and India are ground into dust to feed
civilization. America expands southward with its own extermination
camps blazing away. Cultural and economic Fahrvergnuegen. We would
have a planet filled with mighty White achievers instead of whining
Coloured parasites.
Min is a pubic louse in a camel slaugherhouse. He is nothing.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
>Hitler was a brilliant lower echelon officer and strategist, poor
>general officer, brilliant publicist.
Uncle, I'll amend your silly comments.
A courier in WW1 , never an officer.
A stupid phony when he pretended to be an officer in WW2, still
fighting WW1. Only others were innovative.
A radio propagandists lucky to be in on early days of radio.
Oh yes...I almost forgot...a perverted drug addicted sadistic maniac.
> I mysel flive in Canada which I am
>proud to say is a very liberal country, and has repeatedly been voted
>the most desirable place to live by the UN.
Then why don't you invite the third world thieves to move their
criminal organization to your country.
I think Haliburton already has an office in Toronto.
Uncle Bob
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> Oh yes...I almost forgot...a perverted drug addicted sadistic maniac.
Ummmm.... Not that there's anything wrong with that....
Don't you genocidal racist neo-NAZI terrorists have your own
newsgroups to be posting to, like your "white-power" groups?
Oh, but hold the phone. I must apologize. I forgot that the
"alt.politics.democrats.d" newsgroup is included by default
in this message. Clearly, you're just another PEST-Democrat
responding negatively to a pro-Republican message. Oh well...
Made in America,
Daniel Joseph Min
"Topaz" wrote:
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>> Then why don't you invite the third world thieves to move their
>> criminal organization to your country.
>
>I think Haliburton already has an office in Toronto.
>
>Uncle Bob
Then Unc, you are fortunate indeed. Halliburton is a fine company, and
one of their most important divisions is concerned with oil well
services around the world. Their only real competitor in this niche is
Schlumberger, a french company. You will probably find offices and
installations of both companies in Canada, but more likely in the
prosperous West.
The third world thieves referred to above include the UN that you
praise so highly and specifically Kofi Annan and his son stealing
money that was supposed to go to feeding Iraqi children. You can take
the boy out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the boy.
>
>"vonroach" <hadr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
>> Oh yes...I almost forgot...a perverted drug addicted sadistic maniac.
>
>Ummmm.... Not that there's anything wrong with that....
>
Perhaps I should also have mentioned a frustrated post card painter.
Hence, it is not quite clear why you work so hard for this to become
a self-fulfilling prophecy.... Is this "après moi le deluge", Al style?
In concert with your fantasies here, your brother-in-faith, Ersatz cyber
rabbi Bob Kolker, has a similar agenda, updated and current. Bob has
virulently advocated on 10-19-04 in news:2tm3p5F...@uni-berlin.de
"I advocate wide scale genocide on the Moslems", after, on Oct. 18, 2004,
in news:2tm3f7F...@uni-berlin.de that "the obvious [final] solution
is to kill them all" & also urges in news:2rfqqdF...@uni-berlin.de
on 09-23-04, to put all Xians into asylums for their belief in Christianity.
Fortunately for all those victims envisioned by you two Jews, Bob himself
has the belief, & insists repeatedly, that he and his fellow Jews were
"loveable and humble" on 10-06-02 in news:3DA0746D...@attbi.com
......ahaha....AHAHAHA...... and underlines t/his Jewish moral authority...
on 11 Apr 2003 in news:3E96C0C4...@attbi.com with his assertion
that "Gentiles are 1 / 5.5 times as smart as Jews. Eat your heart out."
... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... This assurance of Jewish love & humbleness
is important because in the beginning I thought that you two guys were
2 old Nazis that fled to the US after WWII and were never picked up and
deported by the US "Office of Special Investigations" (OSI), under Eli M.
Rosenbaum who implements the "Holtzman Amendment" about "Nazi
hunting"... ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... now, is that so because you two
guys ran to a rabbi, paid blood money, got your old peepee peeled and
then became convert Jews, or are you really ethnic Jews, AshkeNazis?......
Al, you who promotes some kind of cold, pragmatic SS elite type, final
solution, you might be interested to know that there was an Auschwitz
Kommandant by name of Heinrich Schwarz. Any family ties there, Al?
In view of all that one ought to investigate how many Kolkers did function
as Kapos during that nefarious period.........ahahahaha.......AHAHAHA...
Fuck, that Nazi stuff just doesn't wash off you guys, huh? ... AHAHAHA...
But then, in a rare moment of introspection Bob gave the store away
when he said on 12-09-2000 in news:90uoia$f3h$1...@nnrp1.deja.com
(rem: Hitler too was into drugs, big time):.... [The government,].....
"They can have my Bong when they pry it from my cold dead fingers"
So much for Jewish love, humility and being 5.5 times smarter...
.....ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA...
ahahaha.....ahahahanson
> [hanson]
> .......ahahaha......AHAHAHAHA.......ahahahaha........
[snip]
You have a real problem there, boy.
> .....ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA...
>
> ahahaha.....ahahahanson
[snip]
You have a real problem there, boy.
>.......ahahaha......AHAHAHAHA.......ahahahaha........
>"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> cranked himself in
>message news:41A8BDFD...@hate.spam.net...
>> hanson wrote:
>> > .......ahahaha......AHAHAHAHA.......ahahahaha........
>> You have a real problem there, boy.
>> > .....ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA...
>> > ahahaha.....ahahahanson
>> You have a real problem there, boy.
>> Uncle Al
>>
>[hanson]
>ahhahaha........AHAHAHAHA......ahahahaha........
>what is it exactly that cranked you, Al?
>Here, it is again. Point out the "real problem there"
If it isn't obvious to you by now it never will be. To
the rest of us it was obvious a long time ago.
Plonk.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
"Again, think type and _them_ make sure that your babble is understood in
the common ENGLISH language."
-ExcrementOne displays his familiarity with irony
> [hanson]
> ahhahaha........AHAHAHAHA......ahahahaha........
> what is it exactly that cranked you, Al?
> Here, it is again. Point out the "real problem there"
[EL]
The problem Hanson is that you have no idea how Genius Jews are.
They curse Hitler to exploit the German taxes for the Holocaust done
unto them, then praise Hitler to justify their racist attitude and the
Palestinian Holocaust.
They are technically advanced beyond your imagination and they
succeeded in producing a crossbreed from Hitler's somatic cells known
as Adolph Bush. :-)
They have nuclear weapons, advanced chemical plants and they are
behind the Intel Pentium V that was originally developed in Israel.
Adolph Bush invaded Iraq for false suspicions that they were about to
develop weapons of mass destruction while shipping materials to Israel
for developing more nuclear heads.
Saddam was seen as a criminal to try to erase the borders that England
has set between Iraq and Kuwait in the past, while Sharon is seen as a
hero for erasing the borders that were there since the Romans ruled
over Judea, Galilee and Samaria.
If you even think of daring to criticize Uncle Sam or Uncle Sharon you
are a dirty, anti-Semitic, racist criminal and a terrorist, but if
Uncle Al wishes to grind Africa, the Middle East and India to feed his
white ass, he is a blessed son of Zion, and since you have criticized
Uncle Al, consequently, you must have real problems. :-)
Uncle Al has plenty of "Standards" not just a double standard, and he
is free to pick the standard he wishes to apply at any time, because
he has two guns and you have no guns so eat shit.
The old Mexican Joke is still active and very true. :-)
So let him laugh as much as he wants, and soon he shall lose those
guns while the Indians, the Pakistani, the Chinese and the Russians
are watching very carefully, anticipating and waiting eagerly.
There is also an angry friend called Europe, and a powerful bitch
called Japan that have had more than enough from the "pimp".
Africa is the only retarded "Safe" zone that may yield nothing of
concern for quite a long time.
Adolph Bush has triggered the signs of the fall of the great Roman
Empire, thanks to the Jewish scientists that developed his crossbreed.
Now you know exactly what is your "Real" problem and where it is. :-)
EL
Note - I used the "magic" word.
Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41A8BDFD...@hate.spam.net...
Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
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> Oh GOD this is happy news!
Snip rant
nightbat
It may be false google happy news to you Min but I'm sure if
those promised returning Nazi's ever get here from space and get their
one God fearing hands on you don't ask the liberal democratic fighting
boys to come save you. Ha, ha, ha, ha, those who burn their bridges
sometimes live to regret it. We are all trapped on this planet called
Earth, and if it wasn't for the American taxpayer paid Nasa and brave
astronauts now of all free world inter Nation denominations there would
be no hope of ever permanently getting off of it. Respect for peaceful
personal political and religious orientation is what sets a true
American apart not the Republican slanted hate bias you spew.
Yes, I can see it all now, Hitler returns as promised to wage global war
on all the peoples of Earth again. Min claims however he is away in his
hideaway awaiting the outcome of the brave democratic allied fighting
men and women to hopefully win again against pseudo posted google hero
returning Hitler to permit Min's Democracy free folks won posting right
to continue his net spew Republican oriented slanted hate as always.
How many Old-New Biblical Commandment's are there, you claim 10, the
last 11th given one is the one that counts!
the nightbat
[EL]
Pretty please and some more magic. :-)
EL
> Min claims however he is away in his hideaway awaiting the outcome
> of the brave democratic allied fighting men and women to hopefully
> win again against pseudo posted google hero returning Hitler to
> permit Min's Democracy free folks won posting right to continue
> his net spew Republican oriented slanted hate as always.
Welcome to the surface! ;-)
Chris.B
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after
all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is
always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to
tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack
of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country." --- Herman Goering
Mark K.
However, now there is the remote chance that Al was referring
above for a change to something that is NOT connected to any
Yiddle agenda and/or any Chosen self-anointment where he says:
> > > "You have a real problem there, boy."
My dear homeboy, Al, may have gotten irritated that I inadvertently
stole his thunder and saw a problem with the concatenation of/in
"ahahahahaha". Let me say therefore, for my homie's benefit, that
this may be ameliorated by expressing it alternatively as (e^2/c)^6,
or perhaps as e^2/c *e^2/c* e^2/c * e^2/c * e^2/c* e^2/c,
and the "AHAHAHA" chain is of course an explicative sequence for
Ampere-Hours, as contrast. BTW, "h" is used to express "hbar".
This denotation may hopefully solve Al's problem. OTOH, it is clear
that "ahahahahaha" & "AHAHAHA" are aesthetically much more pleasing.
[Mark Ketterl]
> The other problem is that, unlike most nationalists, some people
> aren't dumb enough any more to fall for this old ruse:
> "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
> England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after
> all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is
> always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
> democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
> dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
> the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to
> tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack
> of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
> any country." --- Herman Goering
> Mark K.
>
[hanson]
You, Mark, just like EL, behave in your retorts exactly like two Jews:
Loud, with a broad brush painting the USA in a very wide swath.
((See, you Yiddles, what your radical zio-fringe is breeding & whom
you are victimizing! Go learn different in your Tolerance Museums))
It is of no surprise, Mark, that you being in DE/AT, are disagreeing in
your "ruse" bit, above, with Bush and the 59+ million that voted for him.
So, let me give you my take on this:
First of all, it is true that "It works the same in any country." And is it
also true that "they are being attacked"... as we, here in the USA, were
attacked. Therefore, I happen to support that Bush did the right thing
to go into Afghanistan and Iraq for that and for reasons of steady and
cheap oil supplies.
Soon, the Arabs will be happy because we'll be their largest customer.
The Arabs will ultimately be grateful again because we goys, not Jews,
had developed the oil there and got them out of their ancient camel-shit
burning habits. Look at the current unrest/war/insurgency simply as a
historic change. - The Arabs, just like the Euros, will be our friends again.
Kumbayah... ahahaha ........ AHAHAHAHA......... Don't worry:
*** The future looks good for all sides. ***
OTOH, the nefarious advice that Bush took from a bunch of Jews like
i.e. Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Rob Loewenberg,
David Wurmser and Meyrav Wurmser et.al, to go into Iraq, in order
to protect and deflect attention of the machinations by Israel, THAT
is another matter.
I can't understand is why many US Jews don't care about the global
rise in Anti-Semitism and keep on fomenting even more of it.....
ahahaha... I really don't get it. The hand writing is on the wall and
in the daily news, like that
== The Euros and Ruskies do not like the Arabs.
The Euros and Ruskies hate Jews more than they hate Arabs.
Which is why the Euros and Ruskies are not with us in Iraq.
== In the US, Xian churches, i.e. the Presbyterians do officially
criticize Israel & US Jews for their practices in Palestine and they
have begun to divest their holdings from anything that has to do
with Jews and Israel. In response they got a terrorist threat from
Queens, NY, (infested with Jews) that their churches will burn
when people are in it. (CNN Nov.14, 2004).
== The Israeli army opens probe into claims that Jewish soldiers
mutilated/abused corpses of Palestinians. (CNN-HLN Nov.19, 2004)
== CNN-HLN bannered on Nov.29, 2004 that there is a growing
poverty in Israel. (??? After receiving 3 to 6 billion dollars per year
for that last 60 years, in loans turned grants. What did the US get?)
== Why do you think that the democrats lost the last two elections
after they moved Kerry aka Kohn, resp. Lieberman into the ticket?
== The Jewish B'nai Brith bitterly whined earlier this year that there
are 300'000 fever Jews in the year 2000, in the US, then there were
in 1970. It was on CNN for a whole week. .......
Maybe these 300'000 are really the smart ones, heeding the sings
of "Hitler's last curse of 45", and are intent to avoid the next one of
their many periodic and epic barbequings of their collective ass.
Are you happy now, Mark? I am sure you are not. So, let me rub it in.
Fuck enviros!... Drill ANWR!.. Scrap Kydioto!.. Accelerate Global
Warming... "when warmer we will consume less fuel"... AHAHAHA..
Take care, Marki,
ahahahaha......ahahanson
You too still haven't learnt to differentiate between ZioNAZIS and
ordinary jewish people. I have friends who are jewish, Zionists otoh
don't even have to be jewish at all.
IOW, You are the victim of zionist doctrine which desperatly pushes
the fallacy that all anti-zionists have to allegedly be anti-semitic,
which is utter bollocks (I doubt most zionazis have even been to
Israel).
Most people have no problem at all with people who happen to be
jewish, they just don't think Israel has any ethical right to exist,
even less to oppress Palestinians. Most people would oppose the fact
that a 2% minority have such disproprotionate control over the US, if
they realised this absurdity.
I also suspect that a lot of Israelis are not real judeists at all but
refugees pretending to be devout judeists for a passport and refuge.
>
> However, now there is the remote chance that Al was referring
> above for a change to something that is NOT connected to any
> Yiddle agenda and/or any Chosen self-anointment where he says:
> > > > "You have a real problem there, boy."
> My dear homeboy, Al, may have gotten irritated that I inadvertently
> stole his thunder and saw a problem with the concatenation of/in
> "ahahahahaha". Let me say therefore, for my homie's benefit, that
> this may be ameliorated by expressing it alternatively as (e^2/c)^6,
> or perhaps as e^2/c *e^2/c* e^2/c * e^2/c * e^2/c* e^2/c,
> and the "AHAHAHA" chain is of course an explicative sequence for
> Ampere-Hours, as contrast. BTW, "h" is used to express "hbar".
> This denotation may hopefully solve Al's problem. OTOH, it is clear
> that "ahahahahaha" & "AHAHAHA" are aesthetically much more pleasing.
Al "Adolf" Schwartz is an irrelevant idiot.
>
> [Mark K.]
> > The other problem is that, unlike most nationalists, some people
> > aren't dumb enough any more to fall for this old ruse:
> > "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
> > England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after
> > all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is
> > always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
> > democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
> > dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
> > the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to
> > tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack
> > of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
> > any country." --- Herman Goering
> > Mark K.
> >
> [hanson]
> You, Mark, just like EL, behave in your retorts exactly like two Jews:
> Loud, with a broad brush painting the USA in a very wide swath.
It's a lot easier to see the whole picture from outside the fishtank.
> ((See, you Yiddles, what your radical zio-fringe is breeding & whom
> you are victimizing! Go learn different in your Tolerance Museums))
>
> It is of no surprise, Mark, that you being in DE/AT,
??? I've been in GB since age 14.
> are disagreeing in
> your "ruse" bit, above, with Bush and the 59+ million that voted for him.
> So, let me give you my take on this:
>
> First of all, it is true that "It works the same in any country." And is it
> also true that "they are being attacked"... as we, here in the USA, were
> attacked.
I wouldn't call a criminal act by handful of (alleged) religious
nutters an "attack". Who "attacked" the US?
> Therefore, I happen to support that Bush did the right thing
> to go into Afghanistan and Iraq for that
Iraq? What do you delude the justification for going into Iraq to
be???
> and for reasons of steady and
> cheap oil supplies.
You really support robbery?
> Soon, the Arabs will be happy because we'll be their largest customer.
> The Arabs will ultimately be grateful again because we goys, not Jews,
> had developed the oil there and got them out of their ancient camel-shit
> burning habits. Look at the current unrest/war/insurgency simply as a
> historic change.
The arabs have intentionally been kept back by various colonialist
powers for centuries.
> - The Arabs, just like the Euros, will be our friends again.
Shame you won't want the euros or arabs to be your friends.
Unless you're scared of /hate them, you Fuehrers will become powerless
(see above).
Hehehe, of course if the $ plummets much further, you won't be able to
afford oil and the military at all, dear Hansi.
M.K.
> [hanson]
> You, Mark, just like EL, behave in your retorts exactly like two Jews:
[EL]
Do you mean that we seem to be 5.5 times more intelligent than before?
:-)
> Fuck enviros!... Drill ANWR!.. Scrap Kydioto!.. Accelerate Global
> Warming... "when warmer we will consume less fuel"... AHAHAHA..
[EL]
Hanson, you are a genius.
>"when warmer we will consume less fuel"
Yes, yes, indeed.
Then we shall be living on rafts, eating row fish and seaweeds,
wearing bikinis, half naked or totally naked and occasionally having
lunch on the top of the flame that Statue Liberty used to have fairly
high before it goes under the waters. :-)
So not just "less" fuel but maybe no fuel at all, besides, wet and
warm sounds very sexy. ;-)
Say Welcome back to Atlantis. :-)
Who needs a useless Iceberg or a greedy Goldberg! :-) :-) :-)
EL
Ain't he a schlemiel!
YOU HAVE FREINDS WHO ARE JEWISH!
EGADS!!!
I'm having a housewarming party on Saturday (Hanson, if you happen to
be in the Tampa area ...). Some JEWS are going to attend (besides my
mother who became a Christian before I was born). One of the JEWS is
even an heir (one of the heirs) to one of the BIG NYC JEW fortunes.
We'll also have CHRISTIAN guests. PROTESTANTS and CATHOLICS. And,
darned be darned, we'll have a MOSLEM family at the party. They are
more concerned about things being kosher than the JEWISH folks we know
but that's the breaks. One family that's attending is HINDU. We've
also got a couple of ATHEIST people who are likely to attend. We're
going to have FINANCIAL folks, ENGINEERS, PHYSICISTS, IT people,
MATHMATICS people, BIOCHEMISTS, INDUSTRIALISTS, folks in the PROPERTY
world, and more. Some of our guests actually live on a family income
under 100,00 USD per year. Doesn't that FREAK YOU OUT???
Whatever else you had to say wasn't worth the time I have to read shit
on usenet.
> > [hanson]
> > Fuck enviros!... Drill ANWR!.. Scrap Kydioto!.. Accelerate Global
> > Warming... "when warmer we will consume less fuel"... AHAHAHA..
>
> [EL]
> Hanson, you are a genius.
> >"when warmer we will consume less fuel"
> Yes, yes, indeed.
> Then we shall be living on rafts, eating row fish and seaweeds,
> wearing bikinis, half naked or totally naked and occasionally having
> lunch on the top of the flame that Statue Liberty used to have fairly
> high before it goes under the waters. :-)
> So not just "less" fuel but maybe no fuel at all, besides, wet and
> warm sounds very sexy. ;-)
> Say Welcome back to Atlantis. :-)
> Who needs a useless Iceberg or a greedy Goldberg! :-) :-) :-)
> EL
>
[hanson]
Aye, thanks for the compliments, professor EL. You are a visionary.
Except for that last line above with the bergs. Greed is good!....
and there are no useless Icebergs. I saw an Iceberg once. It had a
frozen elephant in it. The wooly kind. It was a sight to behold....
ahahaha.....ahahanson
[bob]
> I'm having a housewarming party on Saturday (Hanson, if you happen to
> be in the Tampa area ...). Some JEWS are going to attend (besides my
> mother who became a Christian before I was born). One of the JEWS is
> even an heir (one of the heirs) to one of the BIG NYC JEW fortunes.
> We'll also have CHRISTIAN guests. PROTESTANTS and CATHOLICS. And,
> darned be darned, we'll have a MOSLEM family at the party. They are
> more concerned about things being kosher than the JEWISH folks we know
> but that's the breaks. One family that's attending is HINDU. We've
> also got a couple of ATHEIST people who are likely to attend. We're
> going to have FINANCIAL folks, ENGINEERS, PHYSICISTS, IT people,
> MATHMATICS people, BIOCHEMISTS, INDUSTRIALISTS, folks in the PROPERTY
> world, and more. Some of our guests actually live on a family income
> under 100,00 USD per year. Doesn't that FREAK YOU OUT???
> Whatever else you [Mark, hanson or both?, ahahahaha....] had to say
> wasn't worth the time I have to read shit on usenet.
>
[hanson]
bob, your lengthy confession here sounds like you have started with
partying already early in anticipation of the house warming with your
hi-class guests...AHAHAHAHA... Do they impress you that much that you
have capitalized their religion, ethnicity, and professions?... ahahahaha..
Anyway, your gathering sounds like fun and I thank you for your invitation.
It so happens that I will be at a diplomatic function over in Bimini that
Saturday, where the mix of folks is on the same order as at your party.
If it gets boring I shall hop over to see you guys.
BTW, have you ever noticed that when there are such type of parties,
face to face, the guests are extremely proper, civilized, loving, and
full of understanding about and towards each other. But the moment
they get back into their limos the real fun begins..... a countdown and
a litany of .... "did you hear/see that... (enter here any and all exiting
cusswords+epitaphs)"... that come to mind, to express disgust and
contempt about other party goers........ahahahaha....
This is why NG/cyber parties are so much fun. It cuts the phony bullshit
out and goes right away to the hard core of honesty.....ahahaha......
Have fun, bob,
ahahaha.....ahahahanson
[hanson]
> > However, now there is the remote chance that Al was referring
> > above for a change to something that is NOT connected to any
> > Yiddle agenda and/or any Chosen self-anointment where he says:
> > > > > "You have a real problem there, boy."
> > My dear homeboy, Al, may have gotten irritated that I inadvertently
> > stole his thunder and saw a problem with the concatenation of/in
> > "ahahahahaha". Let me say therefore, for my homie's benefit, that
> > this may be ameliorated by expressing it alternatively as (e^2/c)^6,
> > or perhaps as e^2/c *e^2/c* e^2/c * e^2/c * e^2/c* e^2/c,
> > and the "AHAHAHA" chain is of course an explicative sequence for
> > Ampere-Hours, as contrast. BTW, "h" is used to express "hbar".
> > This denotation may hopefully solve Al's problem. OTOH, it is clear
> > that "ahahahahaha" & "AHAHAHA" are aesthetically much more pleasing.
>
> > [Mark Ketterl]
> Al "Adolf" Schwartz is an irrelevant idiot.
>
[hanson]
ahahaha....Marki, Al is getting to you!... have fun instead!
> >
> > [Mark K.]
> > > The other problem is that, unlike most nationalists, some people
> > > aren't dumb enough any more to fall for this old ruse:
> > > "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in
> > > England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after
> > > all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is
> > > always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
> > > democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
> > > dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
> > > the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to
> > > tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack
> > > of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
> > > any country." --- Herman Goering
> > > Mark K.
> > >
> > [hanson]
> > You, Mark, just like EL, behave in your retorts exactly like two Jews:
> > Loud, with a broad brush painting the USA in a very wide swath.
>
[Mark Ketterl]
> It's a lot easier to see the whole picture from outside the fishtank.
>
[hanson]
....ahahaha..... I like the sound of your poesy. But it is empty.
You sound like a peeping 5 year old, who is catching his parents
"at it" and then thinks that he knows what fucking is all about.
>
> > [hanson]
> > ((See, you Yiddles, what your radical zio-fringe is breeding & whom
> > you are victimizing! Go learn different in your Tolerance Museums))
> > It is of no surprise, Mark, that you being in ,
>
[Mark Ketterl]
> ??? I've been in GB since age 14.
>
[hanson]
So, you are a world travellor. DE --> AT --> GB. Impressive!
>
> > [hanson]
> > are disagreeing in your "ruse" bit, above, with Bush
> > and the 59+ million that voted for him.
> > So, let me give you my take on this:
> > First of all, it is true that "It works the same in any country."
> > And is it also true that "they are being attacked"... as we,
> > here in the USA, were attacked.
>
[Mark Ketterl]
> I wouldn't call a criminal act by handful of (alleged) religious
> nutters an "attack". Who "attacked" the US?
>
[hanson]
Marki, Marki, Marki..... don't get so macho now! That's nasty!
But if you prefer that tone, then I tell you that we didn't not
"attack" Iraq. We merely made a technical incursion to insure
good oil flow.
> > [hanson]
> > Therefore, I happen to support that Bush did the right thing
> > to go into Afghanistan and Iraq for that
>
[Mark Ketterl]
> Iraq? What do you delude the justification for going into Iraq to
> be???
>
[hanson]
Along YOUR line of reasonng it was no attack. We merely made
a technical incursion to insure good oil flow.
>
> > [hanson]
> > and for reasons of steady and cheap oil supplies.
>
[Mark Ketterl]
> You really support robbery?
>
[hanson]
What robbery? Business is business.
>
> > [hanson]
> > Soon, the Arabs will be happy because we'll be their largest customer.
> > The Arabs will ultimately be grateful again because we goys, not Jews,
> > had developed the oil there and got them out of their ancient camel-shit
> > burning habits. Look at the current unrest/war/insurgency simply as a
> > historic change.
>
[Mark Ketterl]
> The arabs have intentionally been kept back by various colonialist
> powers for centuries.
>
[hanson]
That's the breaks, dude. There are always winners and losers.
You should be grateful that your forefathers kept them back at
the gates of Vienna, otherwise you'd be an assventer now, or
more likely not even exist. Don't be such a goody-2-shoer, with
the wrong goodies for the bad feet.......ahahaha.......
>
> > [hanson]
> > - The Arabs, just like the Euros, will be our friends again.
>
[Mark Ketterl]
> Shame you won't want the euros or arabs to be your friends.
> Unless you're scared of /hate them, you Fuehrers will become
> powerless (see above).
>
[hanson]
I said "will" and you say "won't"........ahahaha......
You loose, Marki, because "It's a money game, dude".
>
> > [hanson]
[Mark Ketterl]
> Hehehe, of course if the $ plummets much further, you won't be
> able to afford oil and the military at all, dear Hansi.
> M.K.
>
[hanson]
......ahahhaha.....that's not the way it works, Marki.
You just don't realize what game is being played here.
YOU will pay. We will have the last laugh........AHAHAHAHA......
Take care, dude,
ahahaha.....ahahanson
Hanson makes a good point!
Although about 70% of the instigators of the class wars of the 1900's were
Jews,
and about 70% of the religious wars instigators of the 2000's are Jews,
only about 2% of the Jews are active instigators.
Considering what the instigation eventually leads to,
one would think that the other 98% would, like Hanson,
make an effort to get the 98% to cool it,
and enjoy life using their superior intelligence.
Considering that Jews are 4.7 times more intelligent
than other folks, one would think that they would be
satisfied to use their superior intelligence,
to achieve their ends, in a rational, civilized, peaceful way.
In other words, who needs to profit
from other folks misery,
when one has the intelligence to
achieve what they want in
a free and open market?
Perhaps, as Hanson, kolker and Uncle Al imply,
the superior intelligence of Jews provides them
with a "is this all there is" attitude toward life,
and gives them little regard for life and love.
Of course, it may be that many Jews
are imprinted, or conditioned,
to equate happiness and security with
the number of possessions one has.
--
Tom Potter http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
[Tom]
> Although about 70% of the instigators of the class wars
> of the 1900's were Jews, and about 70% of the religious
> wars instigators of the 2000's are Jews,
> only about 2% of the Jews are active instigators.
>
> Considering what the instigation eventually leads to,
> one would think that the other 98% would, like Hanson,
> make an effort to get the 98% to cool it,
> and enjoy life using their superior intelligence.
>
> Considering that Jews are 4.7 times more intelligent
> than other folks, one would think that they would be
> satisfied to use their superior intelligence,
> to achieve their ends, in a rational, civilized, peaceful way.
>
> In other words, who needs to profit from other folks misery,
> when one has the intelligence to achieve what they want in
> a free and open market?
>
> Perhaps, as Hanson...[implies], the superior intelligence...
>
[hanson]
Yo, Tom, you are into intentional or unintentionally lying again.
Nowhere did I say that Jews were more intelligent, except when
mocking Bob Kolker, me having fun with his 5.5xIQ fantasies.
There is no evidence of Jewish IQ topping, genetic or otherwise.
And even if that were a fact then Jews would be certainly, beyond
doubt, **extraordinarily stupid ** in the way they use it,
collectively: All it has earned and bought them were/are these
periodic and epic barbequings of their collective ass.
Jews are not any different the from rest of the world's "sapiens",
except that they are LOUDER, whine more, and when one of
them excels at something it's never because s/he worked
harder, showed keener interest or just got lucky.... Oh, no...
they or their cronies always point out that the success occurred
because they were.....Jewish.......ahahahaha... AHAHAHA...
That type of MO is not exclusive to Jews. Bible beaters, Assventers
and even Fatboy fans do the same to some smaller degree.
Hence, that superiority fetish & propaganda REALLY means
basically that all of them wish/show to prove that THEIR god is
superior to other gods..... and "as can be seen" the shit hits the
proverbial fan. See Tom, it's the same old religious turding again,
the religo-turd proselytizing about which you said that it was such
a wonderful thing for mankind......Year, right!... AHAHAHAHA...
Halleluiah, praise the load. Praise the Load! Amen!
ahahaha.....AHAHAHA......ahahaha
>
[Tom]
> kolker and Uncle Al imply, the superior intelligence of
> Jews provides them with a "is this all there is" attitude
> toward life, and gives them little regard for life and love.
>
> Of course, it may be that many Jews are imprinted, or
> conditioned, to equate happiness and security with
> the number of possessions one has.
> Tom Potter
>
[hanson]
....Now, Tom, you've just put the old 78 record on the
turn table: "The Psalm of the Poor"... wherein it says:
"Good loves the poor, that's why he made so many of'em"
Halleluiah, praise the load. Praise the Load! Amen!
ahahaha.....AHAHAHA......ahahahanson
Dipstick Hanson accused me of being "anti-semitic", which is plainly
not true. I am however anti-zionist. You are quite obviously not able
to follow threads and you are clearly unable to distinguish between
jewish people and zionists (which don't have to be jewish at all).
M.K.
Tom, you can sure quote those statistics with authority!
You must have spent most of your life studying the "Jewish problem"!
Double-A
Yes.
>[bob]
[semi-toasted rambling]
>[hanson]
>bob, your lengthy confession here sounds like you have started with
>partying already early in anticipation of the house warming with your
>hi-class guests...AHAHAHAHA... Do they impress you that much that you
>have capitalized their religion, ethnicity, and professions?... ahahahaha..
Caught. I spent the night cleaning the kids computer (trojans,
worms,etc) so it could be used to play an MP3 mix one of the guests is
bringing. I reacquainted myself with Mr. Heineken while performing the
task. Aqualung was playing while I wrote the post.
>Anyway, your gathering sounds like fun and I thank you for your invitation.
>It so happens that I will be at a diplomatic function over in Bimini that
>Saturday, where the mix of folks is on the same order as at your party.
>If it gets boring I shall hop over to see you guys.
heh
>BTW, have you ever noticed that when there are such type of parties,
>face to face, the guests are extremely proper, civilized, loving, and
>full of understanding about and towards each other. But the moment
>they get back into their limos the real fun begins..... a countdown and
>a litany of .... "did you hear/see that... (enter here any and all exiting
>cusswords+epitaphs)"... that come to mind, to express disgust and
>contempt about other party goers........ahahahaha....
heh
It should be an interesting party. It's our first. Neither of us will
be sampling the fermented offerings.
Hanson makes a good point when he suggests that
Bob Kolker "fucks up" when he asserts that
Jews are 5.5 times smarter than other folks.
I suggest that the factor is much lower,
and in fact might be negative,
when one takes all factors into account,
particularly factors which have to do
with optimizing pleasure and minimizing pain for all peoples,
rather than instigating conflict for the purpose of
accumulating stuff that reduces the quality of life
for all involved.
In other words, does intelligence correlate with
success in instigating conflict and accumulating stuff,
or does it correlate with optimizing pleasure and
minimizing pain for all the objects within an environment?
By Bob Kolker's standard,
a pack rat has a higher intelligence that most other animals.
"And pass the ammunition."
>Dipstick Hanson accused me of being "anti-semitic", which is plainly
>not true. I am however anti-zionist. You are quite obviously not able
>to follow threads and you are clearly unable to distinguish between
>jewish people and zionists (which don't have to be jewish at all).
>M.K.
Hi,
My mother is Jewish, my father was Christian. I'm non-affiliated. One
of my great great uncles was a Polish Zionist. He was a co-founder of
a Tarbut school. Most of that branch of the family died in the prison
camps.
bob
- you were saying?
Not really.
Some correlations are a long time in the making.
I, like most folks,
have been thoroughly brainwashed by the Jewish lobbying
to actual think that Jews have been singled out for whatever reason,
to be chastised by the rest of humanity,
including Rome, Spain, Russia, England, Germany, Arabs, Muslims, etc.
After millions of the Jews who instigated the
class wars of the 1900's left Russia
after they ran it into the ground,
and migrated to New York and Israel,
where they immediately began to
instigate the religious wars of the 2000's,
did it occur to me, that maybe, just maybe,
that the reason that Jews cannot get along with
the rest of humanity, is not the fault of
the rest of humanity.
.. and what relevance does any of this have to any ofthe groups it's posted
to ? :)
Bruce
------------------------------
Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals
dying of nothing.
-Redd Foxx
Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
(if there were any)
[hanson]
Tom, I said, YOU, "Tom fucks up" with his 4.7. NOT Kolker with
his 5.5 factor. Kolker swears on and by his Bong that 5.5 is right.
Ersatz cyber rabbi Kolker is also optimizing his pleasure via/with/under
and over his Bong. Maybe you should follow Kolker's example. I said
it before: Ersatz cyber rabbi Potter would have a very nice ring...
ahahahaha.... Really! Most of the time you sound like one. Very pious!
Well, sort of, ... Potter style.......ahahahaha...... AHAHAHAHA....
[Tom]
In other words, does intelligence correlate with success in instigating
conflict and accumulating stuff, or does it correlate with optimizing
pleasure and minimizing pain for all the objects within an environment?
[hanson]
Of course, Tom, instigating requires high intelligence and instigation
cannot be done without it. == Conflict is merely an undesirable side
effect in missions that do not go according to instigated plan.
== But the reason for instigations is as old as mankind and essential
for development. == What the fuck is wrong with accumulating stuff
and optimizing fun, anyway? == Do you have a better, guaranteed,
time proven way, Tom, to achieve these goals with less pain & conflict?
== Consider, a long list of dark luminaries of mankind has tried it:
from Buddha, Christ, Mohammad, Shoguns, Popes to Lenin, Stalin,
Hitler, Mao, Pot Pol, Idid Amin, Saddan.....all of them were instigators...
... all of them were after " optimizing pleasure and minimizing pain
for all the objects within an environment".... and it turned out that
.... THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS!
ahahaha.......ahahaha....
[Tom]
By Bob Kolker's standard, a pack rat has a higher intelligence that
most other animals.
[hanson]
You are coming down too hard on Bob, here Tom. Hitler's intellectuals
actually did make a movie about this, portraying Jews a rats, in order
the sell their 1000 year Reich. == The irony is that this type of Jew
vs. Nazi films are not shown in Germany since 1945. == However, for
some irrational (or 5.5 times "smarter" reason) the **American**
public is exposed endlessly and incessantly to some version of it
(WWII and concentrations camps) at least 2 to 3 times per week
year after year for each of the last 50 years, on every TV channel.
Especially around the time of Hitler's birthday....ahahaha...AHAHAHA
This Jewish TV ritual is so bizarre that one gets the impression that
some loud Jews seem to begin to admit and maybe want to convey
that Hitler indeed may have been their messiah, after all. Because
if it wouldn't have been for Hitler, there would have been no Israel,
there would no highly profitable Holocaust industry, there would be
no annually extortions of $3-6 billion from US taxpayers for Jewish
causes..... all traceable back to Hitler... Jews seem to be grateful for
a change........ahahahahaha........AHAHAHAHA..........
I don't know why the Jew dominated media keeps on airing all those
KZ-corpses over and over again, but then for the current conflict they
do NOT even show a single blood stain in Iraq.......ahahaha......
I think all this old repetitive Holocaust industry propaganda shit did
reach the point of diminishing returns already some 15-20 years ago.
The reason is simple.
Refugees from all over the world do come to these lovely shores here
evermore and in greater numbers. THEIR stories reveal that during the
20th century there were ~ 200 million people murdered in genocides.
So, the Jews, with their holocaust, with allegedly 6 million victims are
merely 3% of the this gruesome total. However, the profiteering Jews in
the holocaust industry make 97% of the noise... Drawing all the attention
to themselves, AGAIN.... Not exactly, 5.5 times smarter... ahahaha...
So, Tom, be kind to the poor bastards! Maybe they don't know any better.
Maybe that is what God has wired and chosen them for...ahahaha,... BUT
for Jews too, THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS!
ahahaha.....ahahanson
[Glaser]
> If Hitler catered to the Jewish German citizens rather than
> killing them he could have had the atomic bomb
[hanson]
WHAT!? .... to kill people other than Jews, with the help of Jews!?
Here we have another example of a 5.5 type Kolkerian Jew mentality
espoused now by another Jew, Herbert Glaser, who is obviously a
racist and bigot, overt and big time..... hahahaha..... ahahahaha
[Glaser]
> Part of the Jewish id is thinking,reading,math. and teaching
[hanson]
Glaser, listen up, you turd. If what you say were true then you
are a Jew in name only, because all your posts do show that you
are woefully lacking in "thinking,reading,math. and teaching".
Listen, you olde kacker, normal, **thinking** folk would say:
**Part of the HUMAN id is thinking, reading, math and teaching**.
Jews have no particular patent on this, you self-aggrandizing twit.
You, Herbert Glaser, are an arrogant Jewish racist, bigot and a
fomenter of Anti-Semitism. You are an embarrassment to the
Jewish community, proving that idiots are not only everywhere but
even amongst the Chosen ones......ahahahaha... Good job, Bert!
Glaser]
> Every country that put down its Jewish population has declined.
[hanson]
The "put down of its Jewish population" happened in every country
because of the loud, self aggrandizing, and genocide advocating
Jews, like you, from within the Jewish community. You, Bert Glaser
and your advertised thinking are a danger for the Jewish community.
== Besides, if you believe that it is the absense of Jews that causes
such declines in countries then you suffer from megalomania judensis,
besides your declared bigotry, racism and compulsive fomentation of
Anti-Semitism.... So, ask yourself why it is then that you, the chosen
people, have never had the intellectual capability to live in any country
for more than a few generations without getting your collective ass
barbequed, periodically and epically?...........ahahahaha.........
Tell us the reason why the historic record shows that, Herb, you
wilting and gone bad blossom of Judaism ......AHAHAHA...
People all over the world have nothing against each other until
assholes like you begin to advertise that you are better then the
rest of the population...
... and then afterwards you cry "victim!" and you wonder why...
AHAHAHAHA......ahahaha......ahahahahaha
BTW, Herb, your bizarre undertone of adoring Hitler in your post
brings up the spectre and leaves the impression that some loud
Jews, like you, seem to begin to admit and maybe want to convey
that Hitler indeed may have been their messiah, after all. Because
if it wouldn't have been for Hitler, there would have been no Israel,
there would no highly profitable Holocaust industry, there would be
no annually extortions of $3-6 billion from US taxpayers for Jewish
causes..... all traceable back to Hitler... You seem to be grateful
for that, to HIM, Hitler, arent' you, Herb.........AHAHAHAHA..........
ahahahaha.....ahahanson
[Tom]
"And pass the ammunition."
>
[hanson]
What ammunition? What for, Tom?
ahahaha......ahahanson
>In article <ce5tq0l1iee0pg2dn...@4ax.com>, bob <than...@coldmail.nu> wrote:
>>On 1 Dec 2004 15:56:33 -0800, mark...@digiverse.net (markzoom) wrote:
>>
>>>Dipstick Hanson accused me of being "anti-semitic", which is plainly
>>>not true. I am however anti-zionist. You are quite obviously not able
>>>to follow threads and you are clearly unable to distinguish between
>>>jewish people and zionists (which don't have to be jewish at all).
>>>M.K.
>>
>>My mother is Jewish, my father was Christian. I'm non-affiliated. One
>>of my great great uncles was a Polish Zionist. He was a co-founder of
>>a Tarbut school. Most of that branch of the family died in the prison
>>camps.
>
>.. and what relevance does any of this have to any ofthe groups it's posted
>to ? :)
Isn't this alt.genealogy?
=======================
instigation:
deliberate and intentional triggering (of trouble or discord
=======================
I agree that Buddha, Mohammad, some Popes, Lenin, Mao, and Jesus
were "instigators" who stirred up trouble
(I use Jesus rather than "Christ",
because christ is an adjective which means anointed or messiah.),
but the Shoguns and Hitler were reactions toward instigators
who were trying to disrupt their societies,
and Stalin and Saddam were trying to protect their asses.
Shogun means "general," who overcomes the barbarians,
and the Germans, like the Japanese, Spanish, Italians, etc.
likewise tried to "overcome the barbarians" ( Communists)
who were being "instigated" by people trying to
instigate the class wars of the 1900's
for power and profit.
It is interesting to see that the same "instigators",
are trying to "instigate" the religious wars of the 2000's
pitting "barbarians" (Muslims), against non-Muslims,
and in the process they are creating some new Hitler's/Tojo's
( George Bush, Tony Blair, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc. )
Bush is just a bought and paid for pawn
in the "instigator" game, just as FDR was.
If FDR had gone after the instigators of the class wars,
rather than getting in bed with them,
WWII would has lasted two months, and there would have been
no millions of deaths, no Cold War, no Korea, no Vietnam ,
no nuclear weapons, and no instigation of global religious war.
If Bush had gone after the instigators,
rather than getting in bed with them and Sharon,
there would have been no 9/11, no movement of America
toward a police and military state,
no loss of freedoms to Americans,
no danger to American's at home and abroad,
no collapse of the economy,
no shattering of the national budget,
no impending war with the Iraqian people,
with its' attendant cost, depletion of
non-renewable resources, environmental damage, etc,
no loss of trust by most nations of the world,
no hatred of America by hundreds of millions of Muslims,
no raid on Social Security, etc.
The major weakness of a democracy,
is that immoral, profiteering, manipulators
can effectively buy the government at a low price,
by finding politicians like Bush, Clinton, FDR, Blair etc.
( I see that Blair is trying to rent his $10,000,000.00 home.)
and giving them the financial and media support
they need to rise above the pack.
As Philip, Alexander the Great's father said,
"There are no city walls so strong,
that they cannot be breached,
if you can get a donkey load of gold up to the wall."
The same is true with a democracy such as America has,
and immoral manipulators steal gold from the masses,
and use the gold to buy more politicians.
So Tom, since you brought up his father, why don't you answer the real
burning question of the day.
Was Alexander the Great gay?
Double-A
[ I include now a few lesser luminaries like Arafat, Sharon, Netanyahu,
Faisal, Ben Laden, Omar, Wolfowitz and Perle to make you happier ]
>
[Tom]
> =======================
> instigation:
> deliberate and intentional triggering (of trouble or discord)
> Tom Potter
>
[hanson]
That is certainly one of your many replays of your standard run of the
mill, old 78 record, Tom. Now, put a new one on, because, I repeat:
== ... (1) the reason for instigations is as old as mankind and essential
for development. == (2) What the fuck is wrong with accumulating stuff
and optimizing fun, anyway? == (3) Do you have a better, guaranteed,
time proven way, Tom, to achieve these goals with less pain & conflict?
Answer (1), why you make a big deal about an old fact that will never
change, (2), are you harping on that so bad because you are jealous that
other people have more fun & stuff than you have?, and (3) are you just
whining.... but having no answers because of (2) and being unable to
do anything about (1)?
ahahahaha......AHAHAHAHA.....ahahahanson
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"alpha-charly-tango"
It would make more sense if it were :)
I believe that rational, intelligent, moral people,
act to maximize the pleasure,
and minimize the pain,
for ALL objects,
for ALL time,
( Integral of pleasure-pain from T0 to T(infinity) )
I make a big deal about the people, governments,
and groups that selfishly act to optimize this quantity
for themselves, and/or their group.
Regarding the amount of "stuff" that I have,
I discovered a few years ago,
that the more "stuff" I had,
the more trouble I had,
so I closed my businesses,
and gave most of my "stuff" away,
and I make an effort to not get to much "stuff",
as it attracts the IRS, scam artists, phonies, "old friends",
hanger's on, spam, junk mail, tax collectors, lawyers, etc.
Stable systems involve an EXCHANGE of energy
between symbiotic members of an environment,
and when any population in an environment
tries to operate on a positive exponential curve,
they bring pain to the larger environment,
and eventually extinction to themselves.
Fine. Now show that these rational, intelligent and moral people exist :)
IME, there are very few out there :)
The fact of the matter is that a small group of people
were instigating class wars during the 1900's
for power and wealth.
They grabbed the reins of government in Russia,
massacred millions of native Russians,
and used Russia as a base from which to
instigate their global class wars.
Strong leaders arose in several nations,
( And were enthusiastically supported by the masses.)
( Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, etc. )
in order to combat this threat.
Few people in the world wanted the class war instigators to
take over their governments, and several nations willingly
allowed the Germans to come in and help them.
( Spanish Civil War, the France Vichy government,
the nations that welcomed the German troops with flowers, etc.)
As can be seen, after the native Russians regained
control of their government, the class war instigators migrated to
Israel and New York, from where they are instigating their religious wars.
And as can be seen, the Russians are still trying to
regain control of their institutions
from the remnants of the class war instigators.
Bush is a willing participant of the class war instigators, just as FDR was.
If FDR had gone after the class war instigators
rather than getting in bed with them,
WWII would has lasted two months, and there would have been
no millions of deaths, no holocaust, no Cold War, no Korea, no Vietnam ,
no nuclear weapons, no instigation of global religious war, etc.
If Bush had gone after the religious war instigators ,
rather than getting in bed with them and Sharon,
there would have been no 9/11, no movement of America
toward a police and military state,
no loss of freedoms to Americans,
no danger to American's at home and abroad,
no collapse of the economy,
no shattering of the national budget,
no war on the Iraqi people,
with its' attendant cost, depletion of
non-renewable resources, environmental damage, etc,
no loss of trust by most nations of the world,
no hatred of America by hundreds of millions of Muslims,
no raid on Social Security,
no freeze of Civil Service employees salaries,
no bankruptcy of major airlines,
no dollar flight,
no meltdown of the dollar,
no meltdown of America,
no weakening of the United Nations,
no weakening of NATO,
etc.
The major weakness of a democracy,
is that immoral, profiteering, manipulators
can effectively buy the government at a low price,
by finding politicians like Bush, Clinton, Blair, Rumsfeld, etc.
and giving them the financial and media support
they need to rise above the pack.
As Philip, Alexander the Great's father said,
"There are no city walls so strong,
that they cannot be breached,
if you can get a donkey load of gold up to the wall."
The same is true with a democracy such as America has,
and immoral manipulators steal gold from the masses,
and use the gold to buy more political leaders.
The fact of the matter is that Hitler
was a natural reaction to class war instigation,
and no doubt a "Hitler" will arise in a few years,
to counter the class war instigators,
and try to repair the damage that they,
and their agents, such as Bush and Blair,
have done to America and the world.
The Eternal Jew, I suppose.
>
> They grabbed the reins of government in Russia,
> massacred millions of native Russians,
> and used Russia as a base from which to
> instigate their global class wars.
>
Don't forget, Stalin purged the Jewish wing of the party. Jewish
Trotsky was deported and forced to flee to Mexico, where an assassin
sent by Stalin murdered him with an ax! This all happened before WWII.
> Strong leaders arose in several nations,
> ( And were enthusiastically supported by the masses.)
> ( Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, etc. )
> in order to combat this threat.
>
> Few people in the world wanted the class war instigators to
> take over their governments, and several nations willingly
> allowed the Germans to come in and help them.
> ( Spanish Civil War, the France Vichy government,
> the nations that welcomed the German troops with flowers, etc.)
>
Austria? Hitler was their native son. Vienna was once the capital of
Germany. It was not unexpected that they would welcome him at that
time.
> As can be seen, after the native Russians regained
> control of their government, the class war instigators migrated to
> Israel and New York,
And Hollywood?
> from where they are instigating their religious wars.
>
> And as can be seen, the Russians are still trying to
> regain control of their institutions
> from the remnants of the class war instigators.
>
> Bush is a willing participant of the class war instigators, just as
FDR was.
> If FDR had gone after the class war instigators
You mean pledged allegiance as a German client state?
> rather than getting in bed with them,
> WWII would has lasted two months, and there would have been
> no millions of deaths, no holocaust,
So, then Hitler really could have relocated the Jews to a new
paradisiacal homeland in the newly conquered Soviet Union, as his
propaganda films suggested?
> no Cold War, no Korea, no Vietnam ,
> no nuclear weapons,
Both Germany and Japan had nuclear weapons programs. If we hadn't
developed them, one of those countries eventually would have, and
Germany was well on their way to a viable delivery system with ther V2
technology.
> no instigation of global religious war, etc.
>
> If Bush had gone after the religious war instigators ,
> rather than getting in bed with them and Sharon,
> there would have been no 9/11, no movement of America
> toward a police and military state,
> no loss of freedoms to Americans,
> no danger to American's at home and abroad,
> no collapse of the economy,
> no shattering of the national budget,
> no war on the Iraqi people,
> with its' attendant cost, depletion of
> non-renewable resources, environmental damage, etc,
> no loss of trust by most nations of the world,
> no hatred of America by hundreds of millions of Muslims,
> no raid on Social Security,
> no freeze of Civil Service employees salaries,
> no bankruptcy of major airlines,
> no dollar flight,
> no meltdown of the dollar,
> no meltdown of America,
> no weakening of the United Nations,
> no weakening of NATO,
> etc.
>
And we all would have lived happily ever after?
> The major weakness of a democracy,
> is that immoral, profiteering, manipulators
These things don't happen in dictatorships?
> can effectively buy the government at a low price,
Even more easily in a dictatorship. There's only one palm to grease!
> by finding politicians like Bush, Clinton, Blair, Rumsfeld, etc.
> and giving them the financial and media support
> they need to rise above the pack.
>
> As Philip, Alexander the Great's father said,
> "There are no city walls so strong,
> that they cannot be breached,
> if you can get a donkey load of gold up to the wall."
You still haven't answered my question. Was Alexander the Great gay?
The Greeks are furious about the implications that he was in this new
movie about him. Funny, what kind of national reputation do the Greeks
think they're defending? Everyone knows what the "Greek way" is! Ha!
Ha!
> The same is true with a democracy such as America has,
> and immoral manipulators steal gold from the masses,
> and use the gold to buy more political leaders.
People don't use gold anymore. They use plastic.
> The fact of the matter is that Hitler
> was a natural reaction to class war instigation,
> and no doubt a "Hitler" will arise in a few years,
> to counter the class war instigators,
> and try to repair the damage that they,
> and their agents, such as Bush and Blair,
> have done to America and the world.
And could his name be ..... Tom Potter?
>
> --
> Tom Potter http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
Double-A
RSDS (Ravencrag Search & Documentation Service) reports
that during Tom's NG absence, a Tom Potter person visited the
Raelian HQ's in CH, & got himself an extra-terrestrial plastic
surgery/hormonal rejuvenate fix-up. On his way back to China
he detoured to Tel Aviv where he graduated from a quick course
for Ersatz rabbis & earned himself an INSTIGATION diploma to
prepare himself for his up'n coming mission as the Messianic Hitler II.
He selected as his immediate lieutenants three wise-ass Jews, Allah
Schwartz, the reincarnation of Goebbels, Bob Kolker as Himmler, and
Bert Glazier as Kapo, the Masturbator, to establish Kingdom-cum.
This "Gang of Four" are all great admirers of Hitler, the First.
------- Be careful what you wish for ---------
ahahaha.....ahahahanson
It is interesting to observe that Double-A and hanson
appear to make an effort to discredit the messenger,
rather than address the message in a rational, intelligent, moral way.
Something in the Jewish character or culture
has brought them into conflict with all of the
other cultures they have interfaced with.
( Babylonia, Egypt, Palestine area, Rome,
Spain, England, Germany, Russia, etc. )
The world is becoming smaller, and
when the American masses reject Jews,
there are no more places for them to go.
(Unless they find one of Einstein's "worm holes."
It seems to me that this is a serious problem
that needs to be addressed,
rather than ignored, or suppressed.
Hint ... trim some newsgroups ... like this :)
[Tom]
Something in the Jewish character or culture has brought them
into conflict with all of the other cultures they have interfaced with.
( Babylonia, Egypt, Palestine area, Rome, Spain, England, Germany,
Russia, etc. )
The world is becoming smaller, and when the American masses
reject Jews, there are no more places for them to go.
(Unless they find one of Einstein's "worm holes."
It seems to me that this is a serious problem that needs to be
addressed, rather than ignored, or suppressed.
Tom Potter
>
[hanson]
Well, this is kinda heavy duty here, Tom, but I am quite sure
that your lieutenant, Bert Glazier as Kapo, the Masturbator on
Viagra, who already reported to you for duty can clarify your
issues, and he will tell you, as he did, that what YOU said is
"Sad but true". Bert works so very hard to make "Hitler's last
curse" of 1945 to become a self-fulfilling prophecy in which
Hitler said: "In 100 years from now the world will be grateful for
what I have started".... See, Tom, Bert knows. It is "Sad but true".
Unfortunately, Bert Glazier, whose ancestral name is Herbert Glaser
(ODESSA file?) seems to have an attitude problem with me:
"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbert...@webtv.net> wrote in
message news:5277-41...@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net...
> Tom In the days of Einstien there were the same people
> as Hanson(scums of humanity) People when very young are
> taught by there parents,and some of their teaches to hate other
> people. That is why Darwin.said "man is wolf to man."
> First people like "Hanson" put down other people in very cute
> ways. In the end they are the Hilters,and killing is always in back
> of their imbecilic minds Hanson's Ha Ha Ha is the big clue. He in
> reality is not funny. Reality is he just does not realize how sick he
> is. Sad but true. Bert
>
[hanson]
See Tom, Bert Glazier as Kapo, the Masturbator on Viagra, who
already reported to you for duty, says: --- "Hilter" was cute and that
he knows some "Einstien" (probably the two brands of incontinence
underwear that Bert is using ) --- It ought to be right up your ally,
Tom. Herbert has also theories and he will make a good & trustworthy
lieutenant to/for you.
...AHAHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha.......ahahahanson
------------------
[hanson]
...........AHAHAHAHA........so, Herbie, just as I have predicted, you are
an old perv (1) and now you go Tom and complain about me (2). I doubt
that Tom will help you because YOU, a bigot and racist, do simply cause
and precipitate way too much Anti-Semitism. Tom, will perhaps say now:
" "It is interesting to see" as it is "Sad but true" that Bert Glazier as Kapo,
the Masturbator on Viagra, has already reported for duty as lieutenant to
me." Tom of course will query you more about YOUR statement that: (in 2)
"Hilter" was cute and that you know some "Einstien" (probably the two
brands of your incontinence underwear that you, Bert, are using ) --- It
ought to be right up your ally, Herbie. Tom has also theories and he will
make a good & trustworthy Fuehrer over you, Bert.
...AHAHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha.......ahahahanson
> Something in the Jewish character or culture
> has brought them into conflict with all of the
> other cultures they have interfaced with.
> ( Babylonia, Egypt, Palestine area, Rome,
> Spain, England, Germany, Russia, etc. )
>
> The world is becoming smaller, and
> when the American masses reject Jews,
> there are no more places for them to go.
> (Unless they find one of Einstein's "worm holes."
Hahhahah :-) In Iran alone Iranian jews, since the time of
Babylon, have lived side by side to an incredibly large
variety of people in Iran and yet they never got mixed up
with them. Every other Iranian ethnic group got to some
extent mixed up with the Greeks, Arabs, Turks, Mongols,
Indians, Blacks, Ariyans, Russians, Caucasians, Armenians,
Baluchs, Gilanis, Kords, Lors, Bakhtyaris, Ozbaks, Torkmens,
etc, except the jews! It was not any resentment from other
religion, mind you, as these jews experience in Iran living
with Zorastrians, pagans, Manicheists, Mithraists,
Christians, and Moslems, and still they stuck to each other.
Jews of Iran remained within themselves and themselves alone
until 1948, and then simply left their country of 2700 years
and went to Israel... . What does it say about them? I think
it says they're stupid. The bulk of the jews are more
stupid, more backward, than the bulk of any other ethnicity
I mentioned. It isn't a racial thing, it is something in
their religion that brings them up stupid.
If you notice, there isn't a single person among the
outstanding Jews who has not been from a family that didn't
practice judaism. Every one of them grew up free from
Judaism.
--
jesArate dar amal farzande basirate dar nazar ast.
"Abdolkarim Soroush"
I am sure that Henbert Glaser's artificial Viagra hard-on will fall off
over Maleki's symphony here and over the reminder of Einstein's
scummy character side. -- To ameliorate Humbert's grief I suggest
that you, Mehram, mention to him that those stupid Jews in Israel
must sit down with Iran and hammer out a MAD policy, so that both
sides have an opportunity to equalize each others stupidity and live
happily thereafter in the terror of Mutually Assured Destruction. Your
Iran must however learn to cry "victim" much louder than the Jews do,
because the Jews had the Bomb first and THEY "victimized" you into
making your own. So start with the whining... with some slogan like
"never again" ..... ahahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
ahahaha......ahahahanson
> Oh, my gaaaahd, Mehram, you sure know how to rile up Jews.
> I don't know whether that is generally true but, re: Einstein it is a
> pretty open little dirty secret that it was not Albert himself, but his
> first Christian wife Mileva Malovic, who conceived/constructed/authored
> Relativity. There was, early in 2004, a full hour long TV documentary
> over this, where many physics scholars spoke out about how Albert
> published the intellectual SR property created by his non-Jewish wife, &
> then how in stereo-typical Jew fashion he dumped her when he got fame.
> Not that there is anything wrong with that. A lot of non-jewish people do
> steal too. To Einstein's credit it must be said that he himself confessed
> and admitted to his scum behavior implicitly when he assigned all the
> monies received from the (future) Nobel price to his ex-wife Mileva.
>
That's really irrelevant to the matter of Einstein. His
really wonderful work, GR, was done by himself, and way
ahead of his time. It takes a particular type of person
(morally) to be able to do that. Threre were others who
could do that also. For instance Max Born, a long time
later, sort of confessed that he was also working on GR and
could finish it earlier than Einstein did, but after finding
out that Einstein was working on it (having started at an
earlier time) he decided to leave the matter to him to
finish.
> I am sure that Henbert Glaser's artificial Viagra hard-on will fall off
> over Maleki's symphony here and over the reminder of Einstein's
> scummy character side. -- To ameliorate Humbert's grief I suggest
> that you, Mehram, mention to him that those stupid Jews in Israel
> must sit down with Iran and hammer out a MAD policy, so that both
> sides have an opportunity to equalize each others stupidity and live
> happily thereafter in the terror of Mutually Assured Destruction.
We have better use for stupid and/or backward people.
> Your
> Iran must however learn to cry "victim" much louder than the Jews do,
> because the Jews had the Bomb first and THEY "victimized" you into
> making your own. So start with the whining... with some slogan like
> "never again" ..... ahahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
There _is_ a sort of "never again" going on with Iran also.
We've seen Mongols and Tartars onslaughts and the
consequences. Iran will not go down like those two times
ever again. It may go down, but a lot more will go down with
it. It won't be as pleasant to Westerners as it was at those
times around ("... let dogs eat dogs").
--
ye divuneh sangi be chAh mindAzeh ke sad tA Aghel
nemituneh darbiyAreh.
> a) There were far more then 2 times that Iran got conquered, you loser.
> Starting with Alex/Iskander, the Great, ..... a Westerner... ahahahaha...
First off we call him "Alexander the Crazed". So spare me
with the greatness stuff. Secondly, Alexander's invasion of
Iran was not destructive except perhaps to a few kings'
palaces. He immediately replaced the top regional rulers
with his own generals and life was as usual to Iranians.
Thirdly, the style itself with which Alexander's successors
(and himself, but he ruled only a short time and died) ruled
was a nobel one and it is now called Hellenism. The present
day equivalent of it is still practiced in the form of
"corporations". They did not mix with people of other
regions. They just stayed in their little cities
(Alexanderias) and ruled from there in a mix of directives
and business deals, trades, etc. They had their own schools
and life inside those cities and money collected would be
sent to Greece. No extortions were involved, just business.
Anyway, to cut it short(er) his effect on Iran was not
destructive at all. Our language stayed intact, and our
religions, way of life, everything continued as before. Even
our genes - except along the very road on which Alexander's
troops travelled that first time, and for obvious reasons -
remained largely intact. Rape was never allowed after the
victory by Alexander's personal order. None of the Iranian
king's family members and relatives were humiliated or left
in distress. They all very quickly were given positions of
responsibility, and seveal of his generals actually married
the wealthier ones :) He had realized he would learn more
and get better by keeping the whole system around and
intact.
Invasion of Arabs, 1383 years ago this day, also was not
destructive to Iran except to the scientific body of
Iranians who had to get relocated to the Arabs' own centers
of science (Baghdad and Sham). Islam brought a new life to
Iran, and we're still thriving from it. You may want to
notice that Islam is more than a religion. It is some sort
of fundamental law, or constitution. Something permanent to
human. Other religions were all attempts to cut down on
human extravagant idiosyncracies, and therefore were more or
less "timed", while Islam is the central law itself (that's
why Mohammad said he was the last to come). It really helped
people everywhere it went, especially in Iran.
The main large-scale destruction Iran has had to suffer are
the ones I mentioned ealier, carried out by Mongols, and
about a hundred years later by the Tartars (in the latter
case by instigation of Christians in Teymur's immediate
family - Teymur himself was a make-believe Moslem). And it
will not take place again in that manner and scale without
serious consequences to everybody. "Never again" :-)
--
man migam anef to nagu anef to begu anef.
It is interesting to see that two,
going on three,
Western Nations self-destroyed by attacking Iraq.
Macedonia was the most powerful nation on Earth,
and was getting stronger, until Alexander attacked Iraq.
The diversion of men and resources weakened Macedonia,
and they quickly became surpassed by other nations,
and Rome filled the void left by the weakened Macedonia.
Rome was at the height of its' power when Julian
invade Iraq, and was killed in the failed effort.
The other nations and peoples saw that Rome was a house of cards,
and Rome immediately began to crumble.
As there was no dominate power,
the Roman Empire simply fragmented.
America had the world by the ass,
until Bush attacked Iraq.
Almost all of the people in the world,
respected, admired and emulated America,
and looked to America for leadership.
Bush pissed away all the good will
that American companies like
Kodak, Motorola, McDonald's, IBM, Boeing, etc.
had spent decades in building,
and, like Rome, America lost the respect, trust
and admiration of the world, and quickly
began to lose power, wealth and influence.
Power and money are moving to Europe, Russia, and China,
and as can be seen the United Nation's reaction
to Bush's vindictive effort to get back at Kofi Annan,
the best way to enhance one's power and prestige of
is to be attacked verbally, or otherwise, by Bush and Company.
It is amazing that one person,
like an Alexander, a Julian, a Bush, etc.
can be so destructive to their nations,
and that the masses in their own nations
blindly support them in their efforts.
Your notion (3) that Bush did let go of the world's ass is Potterian
self-inflicted poverty-paranoia. Your malady is not an uncommon
symptom of the geriatric greed syndrome. You just can't let go.
But, relax, Tom. There will come along an **instigator** who will
set things right. It'll turn out all right in the end. You'll see Tom.
ahahaha.....AHAHAHA.... ahahahanson
It appears that hanson has forgotten all about geography
in his old age.
Both Alexander and Julian attacked,
what is now Iraq, and Julian didn't even make it to
what is now Iran.
And I like Bush's attitude toward freemarkets
but I despise him because he lied to America
and the world, and has severely wounded America,
and the principles that America was founded on.
As can be seen from reading my old posts,
I supported Bush UNTIL he began lying,
trying to bully the world, and made his
insane attack on the Iraqi people.
Here is an old post I made in one of the newsgroups,
before he attacked the Iraqi people.
========
From: "Tom Potter" <t...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:00:52 +0800
Local: Sun, Nov 24 2002 3:00 am
Subject: Will Bush emulate Julian? was: Re: OT: Show support
The decline of Rome can be traced to ONE event,
the death of the Roman Emperor Julian, in 361.
Rome was at it's heights when Julian became emperor.
He was an intelligent, brave, strong, well liked leader,
who had secured Rome's frontiers in northern Europe,
and he had visions of emulating Alexander the Great.
He led a huge Roman army into Persia,
and was killed in battle with them.
The Roman army retreated in panic,
and the Persians could have easily wiped them out,
but to avoid causalities of their own,
they made a deal to take Armenia,
and let the shambles of the Roman army
If Julian had pulled off his attempt to emulate Alexander
the Great, Rome would likely have ruled all
of Europe and Asia, and Rome would still rule the world.
To put the situation in perspective,
imagine what would happen today,
if the Americans attacked Iraq and were defeated.
As can be imagined, all the nations of the world
would lose the fear of, and respect for America,
and the America empire would come apart.
This is what happened to Rome after Julian's defeat.
I suggest that anyone who is interested in seeing what the
situation was at that time, read the biography of Julian
written by Ammianus Marcellinus,
a Greek army officer who marched with Julian,
and retreated with the Roman army.
Marcellinus himself, was almost killed a couple of times
by the Persians, and like the retreating Romans,
he nearly died of thirst and starvation.
As can be seen from Marcellinus book,
the Persians came up with many strategies that
frustrated the Romans, such as burning the grasslands
to deny the Roman horses fodder.
It seems to me that William E. Todd is right when
he asserts that it was "pride", not "Christianity"
that did the Romans in.
As the old saying goes,
"Pride cometh before a fall."
Hopefully, Bush won't emulate Julian,
and bring America down.
=============
Unfortunately,
Bush did attack the Iraqi people,
and it is costing every American family
thousands of dollars EVERY year,
not to mention the enormous harm that Bush
did to the image of America that private sector companies
like Coca Cola, IBM, Motorola, GM, McDonalds, Boeing, etc.
had take decades to build up.
Bush's entire first term agenda was
to attack Iraq and steal their oil,
and as that has backfired,
his entire agenda for his second term
will be to try to rationalize his insane attack,
so that he will not be tried for war crimes,
after he leaves office, and loses power.
nightbat
New Hitler may be coming to Iraq.
the nightbat
PS: You remind me of Ted Soros, the Jew... but, sans his money.
It is interesting to see that
money, race and religion,
consumes the minds, bodies and souls of some people,
and causes them to come into conflict with their fellow man,
and miss out on the good things in life,
love, nature, diversity, music, art, etc.
It is also interesting to observe that
hostility, paranoia, obfuscation, babble, and personal attacks are
common to these people.
What causes this?
Is it nature,
or nurture.
> Unfortunately,
> Bush did attack the Iraqi people,
> and it is costing every American family
> thousands of dollars EVERY year,
Ahh god, again the same nonsense that I've heard as long as
I remember. Losing dollars to whom???? It's all a matter of
rearranging the dollars between and within the American
"families". A matter of who gets the dollars.
Some other "American families" duped you into giving your
money to them. The money is still in USA, among some other
American families.
--
The most erroneous stories are those we think we
know best - and therefore never scrutinize or
question.
"Stephen Jay Gould"
> Hey, Tom, it could be worse. Love the world & enjoy your few
> remaining days. Rem: -- YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU, Tom. --
Heh. He doesn't even have the option of giving it away! Give
it away to who? It will just go to nothing. Because others
who receive his, will go through the exact same cycle of
repeating meaningless shallow patterns of life and
preferences that amount to nothing. A vegetable is more
consequential indeed.
--
in harfhA barAye fAti tonbun nemisheh.
> the good things in life,
> love, nature, diversity, music, art, etc.
You don't get _any_ of that in USA. Including the "etc". Who
are you kidding.
"Nature" had a chance and I saw with my own eyes that it
wasn't nature to me. Even nature is phoney in USA. They rush
to see nature not knowing what for...
You're fucked.
I gave you the chance in the other thread - your last
chance. Take it or leave all this to others who may get it.
--
doshmane dAnA bolandat mikonad
bar zaminat mizanad nAdAn dust
Yo, Mehram, don't go near your Towers of Silence, because ...
it's coming, dude... it's coming... & it maybe you "who may get it".
ahahaha.... ahahanson
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:23:25 +0800, Tom Potter wrote:
>> Unfortunately,
>> Bush did attack the Iraqi people,
Potter takes extremist American Liberal rhetoric as
Revealed Truth. The major involvement of the Iraqi people is
trying to stay out of the line of fire.
>> and it is costing every American family
>> thousands of dollars EVERY year,
> Ahh god, again the same nonsense that I've heard as long as
> I remember. Losing dollars to whom???? It's all a matter of
> rearranging the dollars between and within the American
> "families". A matter of who gets the dollars.
Potter has no conception of any kind of economics.
> Some other "American families" duped you into giving your
> money to them. The money is still in USA, among some other
> American families.
Potter is just pissed that French, Russian, and German
corporations aren't getting a bigger piece of the pie, if
not all of it. He should remember that they're consoling
themselves with billions of Euros gained through the "Oil
For Food" scam. Well, what's left after Kofi Annan's son and
his cronies skimmed off their "share". ;>)
Mark L. Fergerson
No, Potter is "pissed"
because Bush got in bed with the
people who are instigating the religious wars of the 2000's,
just as FDR got in bed with the people who
were instigating the class wars of the 1900's.
If FDR had gone after the class war instigators
rather than getting in bed with them,
WWII would has lasted two months, and there would have been
no millions of deaths, no holocaust, no Cold War, no Korea, no Vietnam ,
no nuclear weapons, no instigation of global religious war, etc.
If Bush had gone after the religious war instigators ,
rather than getting in bed with them and Sharon,
there would have been no 9/11, no movement of America
toward a police and military state,
no loss of freedoms to Americans,
no danger to American's at home and abroad,
no collapse of the economy,
no shattering of the national budget,
no war on the Iraqi people,
with its' attendant cost, depletion of
non-renewable resources, environmental damage, etc,
no loss of trust by most nations of the world,
no hatred of America by hundreds of millions of Muslims,
no raid on Social Security,
no freeze of Civil Service employees salaries,
no bankruptcy of major airlines,
no dollar flight,
no meltdown of the dollar,
no meltdown of America,
no weakening of the United Nations,
no weakening of NATO,
etc.
The major weakness of a democracy,
is that immoral, profiteering, manipulators
can effectively buy the government at a low price,
by finding immoral, greedy politicians like
Bush, Clinton, Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.
and giving them the financial and media support
they need to rise above the pack.
As Philip, Alexander the Great's father said,
"There are no city walls so strong,
that they cannot be breached,
if you can get a donkey load of gold up to the wall."
The same is true with a democracy such as America has,
and immoral manipulators steal gold from the masses,
and use the gold to buy more political leaders.
--
Tom Potter http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
hanson makes a good point!
I have a problem with people who
place money, race and religion
above concern for their fellow man
and the environment.
hanson also raised a good point
about why individuals and GROUPS move to other countries.
Some do to interact with folks in other cultures,
some to assimilate with folks in other cultures,
some to enjoy a better life style,
some because of health reasons,
some to work their scams on some new innocents, and
some because they have worn out their welcome in their old countries,
H^5
Happy hanukkah Harry Hyena hanson.
I am pleased to see that hanson comprehends
that it makes people uncomfortable
to hear truths that come into conflict with
their ethnic and religious conditioning.
Of course, hanson (As usual) tries to
convey the impression that he can read the minds
of masses of people with his statement
"makes everybody unhappy".
It has been my experience that
it only make the guilty parties "unhappy"
when their delusions and scams are exposed.
Rational, intelligent, moral folks
don't get "unhappy" when truths are spoken,
nor do innocent parties.
Potter, you idiot, he had no choice due to historical
inertia. What the fuck do you think Gore would have done?
I'll tell you; the exact same things for the exact same reasons.
I note you failed to comment on the oil-for-food scam. I
suppose you think that's just fine and dandy?
> just as FDR got in bed with the people who
> were instigating the class wars of the 1900's.
Exactly.
> If FDR had gone after the class war instigators
> rather than getting in bed with them,
He'd have been assassinated.
> If Bush had gone after the religious war instigators ,
> rather than getting in bed with them and Sharon,
He'd have been assassinated.
Actually, in both (and all cases for any politician) the
first sign of any tendency to not "go with the flow" would
have exempted them from candidacy.
> there would have been no 9/11, no movement of America
> toward a police and military state,
Wrong. Historical inertia.
> no loss of freedoms to Americans,
> no danger to American's at home and abroad,
> no collapse of the economy,
> no shattering of the national budget,
If these things come to pass, they're gonna be the result
of more than any single politician's actions.
> no war on the Iraqi people,
Not happening. Stop repeating Soros' propaganda points.
All wars are chess games between political "leaders".
Civilians (you and me included) are considered to be
faceless, interchangeable pawns, period.
FTM so are uniformed soldiers. Read Sun Tzu.
> with its' attendant cost, depletion of
> non-renewable resources, environmental damage, etc,
Kindly provide a single example of a war free of these
side-effects at any time in history? Your usage of current
Liberal politically-correct buzzwords makes it a virtual
certainty that you do not know enough history to even think
clearly about the question.
> no loss of trust by most nations of the world,
Idiot. That is part of an ongoing pattern that first
became evident on or about 4 July 1776.
> no hatred of America by hundreds of millions of Muslims,
You still fall for that propaganda?
> no raid on Social Security,
There is no Social Security _to_ raid. Never has been.
> no freeze of Civil Service employees salaries,
Freezing Bureaucrats' salaries is a good thing. Gilgamesh
knew it.
> no bankruptcy of major airlines,
You have any idea to what degree Airbus et al are subsidized?
> no dollar flight,
> no meltdown of the dollar,
> no meltdown of America,
> no weakening of the United Nations,
> no weakening of NATO,
> etc.
Idiot. Learn some history. Figure out the subtext. All
associations of nations (League of Nations, UN, NATO, SEATO,
etc) are temporary. Their lifespan is determined by the
attainment of the priorities that caused them to come into
existence.
> The major weakness of a democracy,
> is that immoral, profiteering, manipulators
> can effectively buy the government at a low price,
> by finding immoral, greedy politicians like
> Bush, Clinton, Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.
> and giving them the financial and media support
> they need to rise above the pack.
The major weakness of democracy is the long time constant
of its internal feedback loops. But then, that's also one of
its greatest strengths.
> As Philip, Alexander the Great's father said,
> "There are no city walls so strong,
> that they cannot be breached,
> if you can get a donkey load of gold up to the wall."
> The same is true with a democracy such as America has,
> and immoral manipulators steal gold from the masses,
> and use the gold to buy more political leaders.
Idiot. You know that Alexander knew this, so why do you
assume it's currently exclusive to America?
There are _no_ morals or ethics among "world leaders".
They can't afford them.
Mark L. Fergerson
No,
the rich Kaifeng Jews
hired Harry Hyena hanson
to operate out of a boiler-room,
and pretend to be the good guy,
in a bad guy (Religious war instigators),
good guy ( Fellow traveler of the Religious war instigators
who tries to silence the folks who expose the war instigators.)
scenario.
Too bad hanson.
You are doing a lousy job,
and may be replaced.
h^5 to your Harry.
QED.
I am sorry to say
that I was a Bush supporter,
and was very happy when he defeated Gore.
However, it became very clear ( Before 911 )
that Bush's sole agenda before 911
was to instigate Palestinian sympathizers
to commit an act of terrorism,
so he would have an excuse to attack the Iraqi people.
I have no doubts that Gore would have picked up
where Clinton left off,
and gotten Sharon and Arafat to make a deal,
and this would have defused the negative feelings
that many Palestinian sympathizers had toward America
for being in bed with Israel and using its' veto
in the United Nations to prevent
a just settlement of the Palestinian problem.
As can be seen,
from the news, movies, lobbies, books, Internet URLs and posts, etc.
the people who instigate wars for power and riches,
have a well financed, well honed lobby,
instigating class and religious wars,
( For power and riches)
and they use guys like hanson
who PRETEND to be neutral,
to try to neutralize the tiny opposition to the
flood of information coming out of the
war-for-profit-instigators camp.
As the information from the
war-for-profit gang is a flood,
and the information from their critics is a trickle,
if hanson were as moral and unbiased as he tries to convey,
that he would use his time and resources to
stop the flood, rather than stop the trickle.
Why does the war-for-profit gang
attack messengers,
rather than messages?
Is it nature,
or nurture?
Now,
don't go making some dirty crack.
ahahahaha...
ahahahaha...
ahahahaha...
ahahahaha...
ahahahaha...
You are an embarrassment, Harry Hyena hanson.
Why not make intelligent posts,
rather than attack the posters.
I think you might be capable of doing this.
I am pleased to see that hanson
agrees that I have demonstrated that
"Rational,intelligent, moral folks don't get "unhappy"
when truths are spoken, nor do innocent parties.",
as evidenced by his use of the double negative:
"You haven't demonstrated nothing..",
and by his getting "unhappy",
because I posted that a small group of people
instigated the class wars of the 1900s,
and the same gang is instigating
the religious wars of the 2000s.
Maybe he is unhappy with this "truth",
or maybe he is a fellow traveler of the war-for-profit gang???
I am pleased to see hanson
point out the fact that a Mark
called me an idiot four times.
As rational, intelligent, MORAL folks know,
rational, intelligent, MORAL folks address messages
in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way,
and do not attack messengers
with low class street talk.
Thank you hanson, for pointing this out.
h^5
Let's see, Tom, I keep forgetting.
What were Hitler's good points again?
Double-A