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micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 4, 2012, 10:18:13 PM2/4/12
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Are they magnetically bound and move together in orbit?
How does gravity-magnetism create such a delicate phenomenon
such as the rings of Saturn?
How do those forces work perfectly in time to align the whole set of
rings?
This is fantastic....

palsing

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Feb 4, 2012, 11:48:36 PM2/4/12
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On Feb 4, 7:18 pm, "microm2...@hotmail.com" <microm2...@hotmail.com>
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"The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are
composed entirely of lost airline luggage"

- Mark Russell

\Paul A

micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 5, 2012, 1:14:55 AM2/5/12
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The delicate order behind ring formation is not forthcomming to the
mind. As those ringlets must all come to the same order and this looks
to the mind completely impossible to do by aligning through their
original momentum in time. How do they float with such order?

Mitchell Raemsch

palsing

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Feb 5, 2012, 2:35:39 PM2/5/12
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micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 5, 2012, 4:26:58 PM2/5/12
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> http://www.universetoday.com/83923/shepherd-moons/- Hide quoted text -
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Other moons gravity cannot make the rings order...
As a matter of fact it looks like the rings would suffer
from those moon's tidal effects order instead...

Mitchell Raemsch

palsing

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Feb 5, 2012, 7:16:51 PM2/5/12
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On Feb 5, 1:26 pm, "microm2...@hotmail.com" <microm2...@hotmail.com>
> >http://www.universetoday.com/83923/shepherd-moons/-Hide quoted text -
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> Other moons gravity cannot make the rings order...
> As a matter of fact it looks like the rings would suffer
> from those moon's tidal effects order instead...
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> Mitchell Raemsch

Well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...

micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 5, 2012, 7:20:01 PM2/5/12
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> > >http://www.universetoday.com/83923/shepherd-moons/-Hidequoted text -
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> > Other moons gravity cannot make the rings order...
> > As a matter of fact it looks like the rings would suffer
> > from those moon's tidal effects order instead...
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> > Mitchell Raemsch
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You're moons do silly things...

Is the Moon Mooning you?

OG

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Feb 7, 2012, 6:27:59 PM2/7/12
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That's exactly what happens; the effects of "those moons' tidal effects"
is why Saturn has the ring structure we see (as far as we can tell).

micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 7, 2012, 8:29:06 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 3:27 pm, OG <o...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
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> > Other moons gravity cannot make the rings order...
> > As a matter of fact it looks like the rings would suffer
> > from those moon's tidal effects order instead...
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> That's exactly what happens; the effects of "those moons' tidal effects"

I don't think so. Can you show how they could effect the creation of
the rings that you believe in?
It can't be done.

Science likes to believe it knows everything simply out of arogance.
I dare that you can't explain rings any way...
Just as science cannot explain how everyone sees a rainbow without
angle.

Please show how it is done...

Mitchell Raemsch; the prize


> is why Saturn has the ring structure we see (as far as we can tell).- Hide quoted text -

micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 7, 2012, 8:41:40 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 5:29 pm, "microm2...@hotmail.com" <microm2...@hotmail.com>

If you look at the immediate tidal effects the rings should be on the
distorted side much more than would gravity form a ring and keep it
there; through momentum correlation....

Momentum correlation is why we cannot make it work.

Mitchell Raemsch

palsing

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Feb 7, 2012, 9:04:38 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 5:41 pm, "microm2...@hotmail.com" <microm2...@hotmail.com>
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Did you actually read the links I provided? The answers to your
questions are all there...

"A shepherd moon orbiting just outside a narrow ring will orbit Saturn
more slowly than the individual particles composing the ring. Because
it orbits more slowly, its gravitational force will drag the ring
particles backward and decrease their energy. Hence the outer shepherd
satellite pushes ring particles inward to lower energy orbits. The
inner shepherd satellite orbits Saturn more rapidly than the ring
particles. It therefore pulls the particles along, increasing their
energy. The inner shepherd moon therefore pushes ring particles
outward to higher energy orbits."

This is fascinating stuff, and well worth learning. Just because you,
perhaps, can't understand it does NOT mean that the rest of us can't
understand it, either. Read, read, read... before you claim that "we
cannot make it work", because, obviously, it DOES work.

micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 7, 2012, 9:07:47 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 6:04 pm, palsing <pnals...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 5:41 pm, "microm2...@hotmail.com" <microm2...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > On Feb 7, 5:29 pm, "microm2...@hotmail.com" <microm2...@hotmail.com>
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> > If you look at the immediate tidal effects the rings should  be on the
> > distorted side much more than  would gravity form a ring and keep it
> > there; through momentum correlation....
>
> > Momentum correlation is why we cannot make it work.
>
> > Mitchell Raemsch
>
> Did you actually read the links I provided? The answers to your
> questions are all there...

All of the nonsense was there...
Science cannot do what it claims. And it is arogant about it to boot.

>
> "A shepherd moon orbiting just outside a narrow ring will orbit Saturn
> more slowly than the individual particles composing the ring. Because
> it orbits more slowly, its gravitational force will drag the ring
> particles backward and decrease their energy. Hence the outer shepherd
> satellite pushes ring particles inward to lower energy orbits. The
> inner shepherd satellite orbits Saturn more rapidly than the ring
> particles. It therefore pulls the particles along, increasing their
> energy. The inner shepherd moon therefore pushes ring particles
> outward to higher energy orbits."
>
> This is fascinating stuff, and well worth learning. Just because you,

Why do you believe it?
You cannot believe everything you read...

micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 7, 2012, 9:11:56 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 6:07 pm, "microm2...@hotmail.com" <microm2...@hotmail.com>
> > cannot make it work", because, obviously, it DOES work.- Hide quoted text -
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Science needs better answers...
Even if there is none...

palsing

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Feb 7, 2012, 10:06:40 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 6:07 pm, "microm2...@hotmail.com" <microm2...@hotmail.com>
Well, if you are not going to accept what actual scientists have to
say, I have nothing for you. You are on your own.

Good luck with that. Your attitude will get you nowhere fast...

micro...@hotmail.com

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Feb 8, 2012, 10:45:13 PM2/8/12
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> Good luck with that. Your attitude will get you nowhere fast...- Hide quoted text -
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What do you mean? I am already there...
I prefer to continue...
Others might not.
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