Water ice on Mercury

[Jan Panteltje]

Water ice on Mercury
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/main/index.html

Life?

[Brad Guth]

Mercury life would be unlikely, though not impossible.

The supposed discovery of polar ice on Mercury, plus all that ice
supposedly hidden in deep polar craters of our physically dark and
naked moon, if such were combined may eventually represent more volume
of ice than is safe from melting here on Earth where there are no
polar craters for deep shade nor any lack of GW+AGW that’s ongoing and
only getting worse.

“Sea Levels Rising Faster Than Projected”
http://news.yahoo.com/sea-levels-rising-faster-projected-201440601.html
“The new report found that sea levels are rising at an annual rate of
0.12 inches (3.2 millimeters) — 60 percent faster than the best
estimate of 0.08 inches (2 millimeters) per year, which the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) calculated in 2007.”

-

“But it was the ice melt that seemed to dominate the annual climate
report, with the U.N. concluding ice cover had reached "a new record
low" in the area around the North Pole and that the loss from March to
September was a staggering 11.83 million square kilometers (4.57
million square miles) — an area bigger than the United States.”

The albedo of that sea ice goes from reflecting at 85%, all the way
down to reflecting off open water at something less than 15%.

If the average 24 hour solar influx upon that polar ice were only 100
w/m2/hr is actually by itself representing a great deal of potential
global dimming and subsequent warming potential.

11.83e12 m2 * 70 represents a thermal differential shift of 8.28e14
watts per hour, and only three summer months worth of that becomes
2.16e3 * 8.28e14 = 1.788e18 watts of global warming (1,788,500 TW
added to the preexisting surface and atmospheric background energy
that we can’t seem to do anything about its warmth without making it
worse).

Too bad we can not have our Earth science satellites like OCO
collecting and mapping thermal as well as spectrometer data on
atmospheric gasses and various surface pollutions, but then our crack
NASA is still investigating why OCO and previous missions of similar
science were each foiled from the very get-go. It’s almost as though
some kind of mafia cabal that is deeply invested into conventional
“Big Energy” doesn’t want us to know anything more than we already do
about our global environment, and our Steven Chu sure as hell isn’t
going to fill us in on any secrets that he has uncovered or having
otherwise been made aware of.

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-sea-level-20120712,0,5793680.story
“During the last period of global warming, which peaked roughly
125,000 years ago, sea levels may have risen up to 30 feet higher than
today’s levels, according to researchers.”

Problem is, by the time Greenland and the Antarctic stop thawing out,
sea level could easily reach 40 foot (12 meters) higher than today,
making our most tropical and stormy future measurably wetter than most
of us have anticipated. The good news is that perhaps only at most 40
foot of the 200 foot potential is what future generations as of more
than a century from now will get to deal with it (no telling for how
long), so for those of us without a moral compass or any gleam of
remorse, it’s not a problem.

Thumbnail images of Venus, including mgn_c115s095_1.gif (225 m/
pixel)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/thumbnail_pages/venus_thumbnails.html
Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 1:1, then 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:38:39 -0800 (PST)) it happened Brad Guth
<brad...@gmail.com> wrote in
<60907080-27be-41ed...@h5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>On Nov 29, 12:10 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Water ice on Mercury
>>  http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/main/index.html
>>
>> Life?
>
>Mercury life would be unlikely, though not impossible.

I think likely,
on the 'border' of ice and hot Mercury (the planet duh),
will be water at least during some times,
and that should include high temperatiure water.
High temperature water can dissolve all sort of chemicals simple life(forms) would need.

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Jan Panteltje" wrote in message news:k99rt4$6g3$1...@news.albasani.net...

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Water would evaporate to space and be soon lost.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

[Brad Guth]

On Nov 30, 12:48 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:38:39 -0800 (PST)) it happened Brad Guth

> <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <60907080-27be-41ed-9a75-4d3c95d2b...@h5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >On Nov 29, 12:10 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Water ice on Mercury
> >>http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/main/index.html
>
> >> Life?
>
> >Mercury life would be unlikely, though not impossible.
>
> I think likely,
> on the 'border' of ice and hot Mercury (the planet duh),
> will be water at least during some times,
> and that should include high temperatiure water.
> High temperature water can dissolve all sort of chemicals simple life(forms) would need.

Yes, there should be those wet microbes and especially diatoms. Even
on our moon or especially Mars should be offering at least the silica
remains of diatoms. Problem is, with the best instrumentation capable
of discovering any remains of diatoms, at least so far we have no
conclusive evidence of any such diatoms or any other microbes alive or
dead. Perhaps they simply need to dig deeper.

Or, perhaps they only have a scientific illusion of water-ice. Those
acidic clouds of Venus offer some carbonated water ice (aka party
ice). High above Venus, its terminator is actually much colder at 125
km than it is around here, and those thick clouds below 65 km are not
otherwise made of crystal dry and inert kinds of dust.

[Brad Guth]

On Nov 30, 4:36 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@November2012.org> wrote:
> "Jan Panteltje"  wrote in messagenews:k99rt4$6g3$1...@news.albasani.net...

>
> On a sunny day (Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:38:39 -0800 (PST)) it happened Brad Guth

> <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <60907080-27be-41ed-9a75-4d3c95d2b...@h5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >On Nov 29, 12:10 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Water ice on Mercury
> >>  http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/main/index.html
>
> >> Life?
>
> >Mercury life would be unlikely, though not impossible.
>
> I think likely,
> on the 'border' of ice and hot Mercury (the planet duh),
> will be water at least during some times,
> and that should include high temperatiure water.
> High temperature water can dissolve all sort of chemicals simple life(forms)
> would need.
>
> ========================================================
> Water would evaporate to space and be soon lost.
>
> -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
> Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

The very edge of that melted ice should recycle as long as it is kept
mostly shaded from direct and indirect sunlight. Otherwise easily
evaporated and forever lost to space would be the case. The ice-water
terminator zone would be extremely limited.