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Venus Should Be Even More Interesting to Creationist and ID Scientists than to Evolutionists

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giveitaw...@gmail.com

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May 4, 2008, 6:53:20 PM5/4/08
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Venus should be especially interesting to those of the Creationist and
Intelligent Design persuasion. From a strictly evolutionist
perspective, even the Earth and its life forms are an accident. Thus,
for Venus to be so astonishingly Earth-like as to its most basic,
physical characteristics (rocky planet with an atmosphere, nearly the
same mass and diameter as the Earth) and pretty close to our orbital
distance from the Sun, RELATIVELY speaking, is also considered an
accident from this perspective. Statistically speaking, coincidences
do occur. But from the point of view of Creationist and ID scientists,
Venus should stand out like a GLARING BEACON in the solar system.

Analogy: Suppose you go to a baseball game and the stranger sitting
next to you turns out to be your same age and occupation. That's just
a freak coincidence which happens sometimes, somewhere in the tail
ends of the bell shaped curve. But if you went to a gathering wherein
the participants filled out bio/demographics forms when signing up and
seating was planned by the hosts, then finding these "astonishing"
similarities in the person seated next to you would be no surprise.

Evolutionism accepts all kinds of astonishing coincidences in the
Universe in general and especially as to the origin and history of
life on Earth. Thus the similarity of Venus' fundamental
characteristics to Earth AND its nearness to us is hardly any kind of
surprising set of coincidences at all, after one has accepted all
those other convergences as mere coincidences. But Creationist and ID
scientists do not believe there are many mere coincidences. So the
Earth-like aspects of Venus should make these researchers stand up and
take notice.

Now, I am NOT trying to start a creationism/evolutionism/ID debate
here. Like I often say when bringing up subjects TANGENTIAL to this
controversy, there are plenty of places to go argue this, all over the
web. I REFUSE to enter into a C/E/ID debate here. Anyone who wants to
can look up what proponents each of these sides of the controversy
have to say. My interest in space and science and technology stands
separate from this debate and I think all sides can find a lot of
things and goals mutually interesting and desirable, such as space
exploration. But I am simply pointing out that Venus is a neon
flashing sign, even more from a C/ID perspective.

All sides think there at least MIGHT have been life on Venus in the
past. But whatever evolutionists put the odds for this up to,
Creationists should put the odds even higher that Venus, at time of
origin, had SOMETHING to do with not only a life-oriented purpose, but
with US. From the perspective that the Universe is intelligently
designed down to the last detail (though REdesigned at the time of the
Curse on Nature, according to strictly biblical Creationists), the
creation of Venus and its location strongly compels the SUSPICION
that, originally, WE were supposed to someday occupy this world. I use
the term "suspicion" because "suspicion" is STRONGER than
"conjecture." For me, this is a suspicion, NOT a mere conjecture.

Two basic proposals based on this suspicion of mine are: 1.) Venus,
like Earth, had its own, complete, planet-wide ecosystem at time of
creation, or 2.) We were supposed to someday transport Earth-life to
Venus. Or maybe a combination of these two. As to 2.), that would mean
that Venus was originally created as a LIFE READY planet, but devoid
of life.

LymanAlpha

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May 5, 2008, 12:40:01 AM5/5/08
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On 5/4/08 3:53 PM giveitaw...@gmail.com brightened our day with:

> Analogy: Suppose you go to a baseball game and the stranger sitting
> next to you turns out to be your same age and occupation. That's just
> a freak coincidence which happens sometimes, somewhere in the tail
> ends of the bell shaped curve. But if you went to a gathering wherein
> the participants filled out bio/demographics forms when signing up and
> seating was planned by the hosts, then finding these "astonishing"
> similarities in the person seated next to you would be no surprise.
>
That's a bad analogy. It's more like finding out that your next door
neighbor in your upscale neighborhood also happens to be a lawyer.
Except that he has emphysema and is divorced while you're healthy and
have a happy family.
There isn't anything else Venus could be except a terrestrial planet.
If there was a gas giant between the Earth and the Sun that might be
interesting.

I could waste my time saying more but you're probably a crank.

--
"Out here on the perimeter there are no stars"

Steve --Inglo--

giveitaw...@gmail.com

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May 5, 2008, 2:05:03 AM5/5/08
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Hot Jupiters, that WOULD be interesting! No matter how bad the
theories of "planet formation" are in predicting what's out there,
they will always be adjusted to fit new, contradictory evidence. They
cannot be falsified, as evolutionism cannot be, either.

Evolutionists are running scared, as evidenced by censorship and cries
of "Ignorant! How dare you question us!"

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