Review of "Mission to Mars".
Angel Garcia
When the 2nd. strip of Cydonia via MOC came on apr-1999 we discovered in it
the most wonderful human-portrait:
http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MAROR.GIF
http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MARL.GIF
This 2nd. sketch is my very first about what I named 'Marla' (for 'martian
lady'); whereas the 1st. picture above contains my final sketch of the
same after learning a lot about interpretations of it by excellent artists:
Mr. Schuming: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MARSHU.GIF
Mr. Da-Rong: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/parlis.jpg
and others like:
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MAYU.GIF
It was such finding along with other images courtesy NASA/MSSS what triggered
a deep research by Prof. Lahoz and motivated our contact with a professional
architect and artist D. Ferran Rodriguez, friend of us due to interaction
in 'Casal dels paisos catalans' which publishes a bimonthly magazine to
promote 'llengua catalana' here in Toronto. Ferran has a real talent as
abstract Artist and he is well paid for his creations (mostly dealing with
'toreros' and bull-fight). However he is also editor of 'Flama' which
has good show of his fast abstract Art. Kindly Ferran took a week to make
his own interpretations of 'Marla' and he liked such contribution, despite
of his skepticism about the radical ideas of Dr. Lahoz. In short:
the fundamental book:
TETET-98: Generacion del Hombre en Marte (UNIAM, dec-1998)
(editor and main author: D.G. Lahoz; with artistic contributions by quite
a few professional artists).
It is in Spanish, with some small other contributions in English. The
covers were mainly illustrated by Ferran with genial interpretations
for HPP, Belua Martis and 'Marla'.
Ferran did not less than 10 different interpretations of 'Marla' and his
best, in my view are: 1) a 'free hand' ( o 'mano alzada') in fast pencil
and mainly, despite to be done on top of excellent photocopy of one of those
top enhancements due to Dr. Parker, this one:
2) http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/marfer.gif
Note his totally independent version-interpretation wrt my view above.
Ferran uses the tiny hints in the face to produce an 'ancient-greek' sort
of sculpture fully respecting the contour and body-proportions.
When Ferran received his copy of TETET-98 did not wait much to publish
and article to review it (in Flama, catalan) partly (or mostly ?, who
knows) to say that he personally could not suscribe to all revolutionary
ideas of TETET-98, but he did like the great looks of 'Marla' and his
many interpretations of it seemed well founded and rooted in the NASA
images. Lahoz refused to comment in Flama (1999), but recently Ferran
asked him again within the context of a great sci-fi movie: "Mission to
Mars". So Lahoz went to see the movie and made a spanish review which
Ferran, as editor, translated to a literary work of 'llengua catalana':
Flama (Maig-Juny, 2000)
It seems to me that such work is excellent both in linguistic an ideological
content. Thus I will translate it here (in summary, with comments) for
English readers. To follow.
--
Angel, secretary of Universitas Americae (UNIAM). His proof of ETI at
Cydonia and index of book "TETET-98: Generacion del Hombre en Marte" by Prof.
Dr. D.G. Lahoz (leader on ETI and Cosmogony) can be studied at URL:
http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bp887 ***************************
Angel Garcia
> As background for such review which I will post serially in here:
> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MAROR.GIF
> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MARL.GIF
...
> Mr. Schuming: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MARSHU.GIF
> Mr. Da-Rong: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/parlis.jpg
> TETET-98: Generacion del Hombre en Marte (UNIAM, dec-1998)
....
> So Lahoz went to see the movie and made a spanish review which
> Ferran, as editor, translated to a literary work of 'llengua catalana':
> Flama (Maig-Juny, 2000)
PART I
"Mission to Mars" (Review by D.G. Lahoz).
New sci-fi movie based in images of project 'Viking' (1976-1979) which
were distributed by NASA in famous CD-rom collection with identical title:
"Mission to Mars".
I bought two of these CD-rom with explicit reference to Cydonia, area of
Mars with latitude centered near 41 deg. N. and longitude around 9 deg. W.
and used them to illustrate the book "Complete Atlas of Cydonia.."
(UNIAM, jan-1998). The movie "Mission to Mars" deals with Cydonia and
describes adventures (past and future) of potential astronauts of NASA.
Comment: It would seem, then, that NASA directly had an input in
such movie and wanted to promote knowledge about its activities
in relation to Mars. Which is a very fair endeavour, of course.
All movie is, in fact, centered about NASA and its astronauts
which make a sci-fi movie for audience slightly above ordinary
scientific background and perhaps unpalatable to some sectors of
the public at large. Thus when Lahoz, later, says about an
'immortal' movie clearly means for 'selected general public' and
not necessarily in the sense of extremely large ticket.
To say that Cydonia is famous is not sufficient: it is 'sacred', I would
say, because it comprises a circle of 106 km in diameter which I named
"Museum of Monuments". A series of connected sculptures (more than 60)
have been described by scientists and authors along many publications.
NASA does not take it very seriously, but currently it does not meddle
in vulgarities and mockeries about such topic. Thanks to strong and
persistent pressure of a team of doctors, NASA decided to re-image
Cydonia by apr-1998 with sufficiently good results. I am among the
advanced authors in interpretations of such images and have written
7 books about such Cydonia topic.
(To follow).
Angel Garcia
> Angel Garcia (bp...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> As background for such review which I will post serially in here:
> ...
>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MAROR.GIF
>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MARL.GIF
> ...
>> Mr. Schuming: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MARSHU.GIF
>> Mr. Da-Rong: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/parlis.jpg
>> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MAYU.GIF
> ....
>> So Lahoz went to see the movie and made a spanish review which
>> Ferran, as editor, translated to a literary work of 'llengua catalana':
>> Flama (Maig-Juny, 2000)
>
> PART I
> "Mission to Mars" (Review by D.G. Lahoz).
> Cydonia by apr-1998 with sufficiently good results. I am among the
> advanced authors in interpretations of such images and have written
> 7 books about such Cydonia topic.
collaborated with magnificent interpretative drawings and, as lectors
of 'Flama' will remember, he wrote an article last year.
April-2000: NASA continues re-imaging Mars and Cydonia. It publishes in
the Internet the results which are poor despite efforts with an spacecraft
(MGS) already old and not functioning 100%. The MGS has obtained only
one single photo of the famous "Face" (apr-1998) under very bad angle and
not making justice to the pair of excellent images obtained by the Viking
in 1976, which were almost perfect despite poor resolution.
*****Comment: This article was written just before may-2000 when
MSSS/NASA published the bulk of new images by the thousands; surely
Lahoz would have said differently than 'poor results' if he had
had access to the current Gallery. Still is true, however, that
no satisfactory image of the "Face" has been produced by the MGS
despite new attempts which miserably failed.*****
The movie starts with four (imaginary) astronauts of NASA setting foot
in Cydonia and seing the (imaginary) "Face" in full splendor and perfection:
isolated, some 4 (km)^2). A mysterious force escapes from this magic mountain
and kills 3 astronauts with horrendous tremors and dust of great movie art.
The remaining astronaut, afro-american with name Luc, painfully reaches to
the landed spacecraft. Without resources and no communication Luc survives
months within the impaired spacecraft in hermetically closed and vegetarian
domain. NASA decides to rescue what is possible from the 4 astronauts
(considered already dead) and sends another four new astronauts, 3 male and
1 female, who try to land again in Cydonia near the "Face". One of them,
with looks somehow oriental, dies in orbit: committs suicide to save the
life of the lady who, nearly hysterical, tried to rescue him in free space.
*****Comment: My translation is not good enough. Lahoz soberly
describes the heroic feats of these potential astronauts who
live and die as brotherly team but exercise their wisest judgement
in saving what is possible in any unespected situation. Excellent
scenes in the movie when a meteorite strikes the flying ship
and tiny (but deadly) holes sets an emergency and causes premature
attempt of landing by the 4 astronauts with heroic death of one
of them.*****
Finally the 2 men and the lady land with sufficient equipment to repair the
landed spacecraft of the first mission. They enter inside and discover the
brown Luc who takes them as enemies (martians?).
Angel Garcia
> Angel Garcia (bp...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> As background for such review which I will post serially in here:
> ...
>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MAROR.GIF
>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MARL.GIF
> ...
>> Mr. Schuming: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MARSHU.GIF
>> Mr. Da-Rong: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/parlis.jpg
>> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MAYU.GIF
>> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/marfer.gif
> ....
>> So Lahoz went to see the movie and made a spanish review which
>> Ferran, as editor, translated to a literary work of 'llengua catalana':
>> Flama (Maig-Juny, 2000)
>
> PART I
> "Mission to Mars" (Review by D.G. Lahoz).
...
> Cydonia by apr-1998 with sufficiently good results. I am among the
> advanced authors in interpretations of such images and have written
> 7 books about such Cydonia topic.
PART II
In the title "TETET-98: Generacion del Hombre en Marte" Ferran Jurnet
collaborated with magnificent interpretative drawings and, as lectors
of 'Flama' will remember, he wrote an article last year.
April-2000: NASA continues re-imaging Mars and Cydonia. It publishes in
the Internet the results which are poor despite efforts with an spacecraft
(MGS) already old and not functioning 100%. The MGS has obtained only
one single photo of the famous "Face" (apr-1998) under very bad angle and
not making justice to the pair of excellent images obtained by the Viking
in 1976, which were almost perfect despite poor resolution.
*****Comment: This article was written just before may-2000 when
MSSS/NASA published the bulk of new images by the thousands; surely
Lahoz would have said differently than 'poor results' if he had
had access to the current Gallery. Still is true, however, that
no satisfactory image of the "Face" has been produced by the MGS
despite new attempts which miserably failed.*****
The movie starts with four (imaginary) astronauts of NASA setting foot
in Cydonia and seing the (imaginary) "Face" in full splendor and perfection:
isolated, some 4 (km)^2. A mysterious force escapes from this magic mountain
Angel Garcia
> Angel Garcia (bp...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Angel Garcia (bp...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>>> As background for such review which I will post serially in here:
>> ...
>>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MAROR.GIF
>>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MARL.GIF
>> ...
>>> Mr. Schuming: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MARSHU.GIF
>>> Mr. Da-Rong: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/parlis.jpg
>>> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MAYU.GIF
>>> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/marfer.gif
>> ....
>>> So Lahoz went to see the movie and made a spanish review which
>>> Ferran, as editor, translated to a literary work of 'llengua catalana':
>>> Flama (Maig-Juny, 2000)
>>
>> PART I
>> "Mission to Mars" (Review by D.G. Lahoz).
> ...
>
...
> Finally the 2 men and the lady land with sufficient equipment to repair the
> landed spacecraft of the first mission. They enter inside and discover the
> brown Luc who takes them as enemies (martians?).
PART III
The 3 new astronauts present themselves to Luc as 'saviours' to repair
the landed spacecraft, but start to guess that Luc has gone crazy in
his isolation because he speaks to them about the 'secret' of the "Face".
Luc says that he has deciphered sort of noises coming from the "Face":
they represent the DNA of humans. Soon he shows to them in the computer
images of the perfect sculpture of the "Face" and the other 3 become
astonished: one of them, intelligent biologist, has interest in human DNA
and agrees with Luc reinterpreting some portion of the DNA as disclosed
by Luc. Two segments in the coded human DNA sent by the "Face" were missing
and they are correctly reinterpreted as solution to the puzzle set
forward by 'The Face' to all approaching astronauts. Thus the 'complete'
human genome is somehow transmitted, via radar, towards the "Face" and this
one opens a long vertical door through which 3 astronauts (Luc, lady and
the biologist). The door, unexpectedly, hermetically shuts down.
*****Comment: Curiously last june announcement came about
a first 'complete draft' of the 'human genome'. The DNA
(or deoxyrub.. acid) is packed in 24 chromosomes of every
human cell; two of them named X and Y determine the sex
(two X for females and a pair X and Y for males). Although
in some rare instances females also have the Y chromosome.
From my class of Biology I recall that when the male and
female cells fuse together to form a new 'ovum' (the tiniest
form of a new human being) the 24 chromosomes of each partner
mysteriously atract one to each other and form new nuclei
with 12+12 chromosomes; thus perfectly mixing both types
of genes of the helix macromolecule DNA. This DNA is composed
of thousands of millions of smaller molecules or proteins which
in tight orderly fashion glue the long double helix of the DNA
within each chromosome. Small variations in such order and
composition decide the slight genetic differences of every human
being: race, eye-color, etc., etc.
In the movie the bright new biologist supposedly uncovers two
important segments of the human DNA which were missing in the
message from the "Face" as sort of 'password' to have access to
the belly of "The Face". One has to assume that such 'sadist'
way of the martians was just an automatic trick of the mute
and inertial mountain "Face" to discourage approach of
unprepared (or not sufficiently ready to understand) intruders.
May be I would not be so cruel as to kill 3 as the "Face" did...
but it is a movie, anyway. *****
(to follow)
Angel Garcia
(or deoxyribonucleic acid) is packed in 24 chromosomes of every
human cell; two of them named X and Y determine the sex
(two X for females and a pair X and Y for males). Although
in some rare instances females also have the Y chromosome.
From my class of Biology I recall...
Well.. I have to review my poor recall:
In the normal cells of the human body there are 22 pairs of
chromosomes which are equal for both male and female and ONE
pair which is XX for females and XY for males. Thus a total of
exactly 46 chromosomes. But in the sexual cells (ovum for
females and sperm for males) there are only half of those 46,
namely, 23; this is because of the process of meiosis which
takes place in either 'gonads' (for females) and 'testicles'
(for males): a normal body cell with 46 chromosomes splits
in two 'haploids' of only 23 chromosomes which are:
for females: 22 and an X chromosome.
for males: 22 and either X or Y chromosome.
So that when the male and
female cells fuse together to form a new 'zygote' (the tiniest
form of a new human being) the 23 chromosomes of each partner
mysteriously atract one to each other and form new nuclei
with 23+23 chromosomes; thus perfectly mixing both types
of genes of the helix macromolecule DNA.
Except that the 'sex' is decided exclusively by the male
contribution (50% of his sperms are loaded with the X and
the other 50% with the Y); while the female gives all her
ovums with X. So a mixture of ovum and a random sperm yields
23 pairs of chromosomes + one more pair which, by chance,
is either XX or XY depending on which type of sperm arrived
first to the ovum. Therefore roughly there are 50% female
in the human population.
The DNA is composed
of thousands of millions of smaller molecules or proteins which
in tight orderly fashion glue the long double helix of the DNA
within each chromosome. Small variations in such order and
composition decide the slight genetic differences of every human
being: race, eye-color, etc., etc. (Hope now is right, you
biologists, correct me if still there is some error in such basics).
Angel Garcia
As background for such review which I will post serially in here:
>>> ...
>>>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MAROR.GIF
>>>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MARL.GIF
>>> ...
Mr. Schuming: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MARSHU.GIF
Mr. Da-Rong: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/parlis.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MAYU.GIF
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/marfer.gif
>>> ....
So Lahoz went to see the movie and made a spanish review which
Ferran, as editor, translated to a literary work of 'llengua catalana':
Flama (Maig-Juny, 2000)
>>> PART I
>>> "Mission to Mars" (Review by D.G. Lahoz).
>> ...
>> PART II
> ...
PART III
...
the biologist). The door, unexpectedly, hermetically shuts down.
PART IV
The astronauts expect new puzzles to enter in the subsurface world of the
martians but they receive only a friendly reception with good athmospheric
presure to breath normaly without space-hat. Here the movie shows
impressive imagination and offers effects of nearly supernatural content.
A 'martian lady' suddenly appears with stilized figure and large oblique
eyes. She recalls the 'Virgin of Akita (Japan)': a statue of wood which
miraculously cried 101 times. But she has brownish skin and gives to the 3
visitors a 'grand martian lesson' with language purely gesticular and
symbolic. ..' That the martians set human DNA as message in many many
spacecrafts going to many extrasolar planets in our Galaxy'.
This is the first lesson which the 'martian lady' describes opening her
hand full of golden and brilliant seeds with tridimensional animations
of multitude of spacecrafts flying to other worlds from the sphere of
Mars. Let me recall here a mexican song which I learned at 12:
Que viva la Reina de los mejicanos ---- To the mexican Queen: 'Hi'
la que con sus manos ------ Who with Her hands
sembro rosas bellas ---- growed beautiful roses
y puso en el cielo ----- and set in the sky
millares de estrellas ---- thousands of stars.
*****Comment: Lahoz grew within the very austere environment of catholic
faith in which the 'Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus' is always set forward
as raw model of love and purity as well as Mother for all mankind, specially
those who are poor and horfan, as Lahoz was; so he mentions Her twice in here.
At Akita a wonderful miracle happened in the 1980's: a convent of nuns
hired an excellent (budist) artist to make an image of the Virgin Mary
with a large cross in her back. Set in their chapel a newly converted
(from Budism) nun, sister Sasagawa, started to have visions of angels
and hearing voices; the wooden statue cried exactly 101 times during
a period of months as observed by many; including the Bishop Hito who
was called to the scene in several occasions. The 'tears' were medically
analized and found to be 'human tears' and partly preserved (still are) in
101 cotton flakes. The visionary sister was told why 101 times and many other
messages. The statue is wonderfully handcrafted and well published in
many places. The Pope was informed and Bishop Hito gave finally his
consent to declare that chapel as center of pilgrimage (northern Japan).
Better known is the grand miracle in Mexico, centuries ago. An indian
young man saw the Virgin Mary Who told him to go to the bishop with
a handfull of roses (in the middle of hard winter) which he collected
from a spot marked by Virgin Mary. Juan-Diego (the indian) went as he
was told with the roses packed in his long dress ('tilma') and in
setting the roses in the ground to the feet of the bishop, his 'tilma'
appeared miraculously painted with the most beautiful image of the Virgin
Mary. Such image is, of course, still preserved in the main mexican church
and chemists and other scientists still have no idea how was painted, nor
the nature of the paint which has endured for centuries without change.
Thus such image represents for mexicans their best anchor to their
Faith (La Virgen Guadalupana, their St. Patroness). Pilgrimages and
lots of various songs are dedicated to Her: their miraculous painting is
well known all over the world, and it is really really excellent, as
painted by angels rather than terrestrial hands: it shows a lady with
blue coat dotted with stars: joined hands with looks not far from
native indian young girl.
In the movie the brownish 'martian lady' looks somehow as one of those
characters driving ufo's, of course, but certainly her face is beautiful
as described by Lahoz. She and her 3 'students' stay in the belly of
'The Face' in a room with astronomical spheres. One is Mars and others
represent Earth, etc.*****
stevend
Mission to Mars was a HORRIBLE movie. This movie was just
awful! Easily one The Worst Movies I have ever seen. Don't rent
this movie, don't let your friends and family rent this movie.
It's
just not good. See some reviews here: http://www.joblo.com/
missiontomars.htm
The “face” on mars is just an eroded hill. There are no
artificial structures there. No pyramids, no giant glass tubes
moving water around. Mars' moons are not hollow, artificially
created satalites. The Mars probes that disappeared or failed
probably actually did crash or got lost. Accidents happen. You’re
seeing what you WANT to see. You’re not being objective. You
people
have this need to believe in something larger than yourselves,
that
you have a key part in something that would affect all of
humanity.
I’ll believe that there is an artificially created face
monument on mars when we see photos in extreme high resolution of
something that looks like an artificially created monument.
Something that shows a face structure from any view at any time
of
day. I’ll believe there are pyramids on mars when we have photos
showing signs that it was built, such as, seeing the pattern of
the
stone used to build it. I’ll believe that there are other
structures on Mars when I see photos of something that, oh, i
don’t
know, maybe something that looks like structures. Not tricks of
light on hills and mountains, not blurry fuzzed out low-res
images.
I’ll believe in UFOs when, we see >up-close< daytime video that,
um, looks like a hovering flying craft. NOT pin points or blurs
of
light in a night sky.
BTW, all crop circles are pranks.
I had to vent. I saw the words: “Mission To Mars”, and It
gave
me a flashback to 2 hours of life I paid to have stolen from me.
-Steven
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Angel Garcia
> On Topic (but wrong news group?)
> Mission to Mars was a HORRIBLE movie. This movie was just
> awful! Easily one The Worst Movies I have ever seen. Don't rent
> this movie, don't let your friends and family rent this movie.
Boyo, boyo. It is not porno-movie. It is not mind-bending movie.
It is just a movie. So why do you want to prevent your friends of
renting this movie?. Sure there are some scenes of very mild eroticism
which were glued in there for no apparent reason... except, it seems,
to gratify a little to super-analytical viewers who have no skills
in normal life affairs... but so what?.
Clearly this movie was conceived by somebody with somehow scientific
background... may be somebody related to NASA. It is not a documentary
nor a purely wild sci-fi movie a-la-starWars with semianimals flying.
And, yes, this middle way of using extremely serious documents as
"CYDONIA" which appears in capital letters filling the screen... along
with purely sci-fi arguments and content, makes it unpalatable to
many people who go there exclusively for one or the other themes.
But others, as Lahoz who labels it as 'immortal movie', enjoy very much
the 'thesis' of the movie in its abstract idea (which is genuinely
scientific and correct) and condone graciously the taste of the authors
and actors without much analysis of what it is being said in there...
because it is just a movie.
> The “face” on mars is just an eroded hill. There are no
> artificial structures there. No pyramids, no giant glass tubes
> moving water around. Mars' moons are not hollow, artificially
> created satalites. The Mars probes that disappeared or failed
> probably actually did crash or got lost. Accidents happen. You’re
> seeing what you WANT to see. You’re not being objective. You
> people
You don't know what you are talking about:
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/wathh.gif
Graham Orme
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movies/titles/mission_to_mars/
"stevend" <steve104...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:021ebd0a...@usw-ex0103-019.remarq.com...
> On Topic (but wrong news group?)
> Mission to Mars was a HORRIBLE movie. This movie was just
> awful! Easily one The Worst Movies I have ever seen. Don't rent
> this movie, don't let your friends and family rent this movie.
> It's
> just not good. See some reviews here: http://www.joblo.com/
> missiontomars.htm
>
> The “face” on mars is just an eroded hill. There are no
> artificial structures there. No pyramids, no giant glass tubes
> moving water around. Mars' moons are not hollow, artificially
> created satalites. The Mars probes that disappeared or failed
> probably actually did crash or got lost. Accidents happen. You’re
> seeing what you WANT to see. You’re not being objective. You
> people
Angel Garcia
OK., you Extraordinaire: what is your basic complaint against the movie?
perhaps that the geological site does not resemble the actual martian
Cydonia?.. big deal!. One can never be an absolute winer.
Angel Garcia
As background for such review which I will post serially in here:
>>> ...
>>>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MAROR.GIF
>>>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MARL.GIF
>>> ...
Mr. Schuming: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MARSHU.GIF
Mr. Da-Rong: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/parlis.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MAYU.GIF
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/marfer.gif
>>> ....
So Lahoz went to see the movie and made a spanish review which
Ferran, as editor, translated to a literary work of 'llengua catalana':
Flama (Maig-Juny, 2000)
>>> PART I
>>> "Mission to Mars" (Review by D.G. Lahoz).
>> ...
>> PART II
> ...
PART III
...
the biologist). The door, unexpectedly, hermetically shuts down.
PART IV
...
of multitude of spacecrafts flying to other worlds from the sphere of
Mars.
....
PART V
The martian teacher continues her mute lesson describing the planet Earth
before America was separated from Europe (Pangea); and the manipulation
of terrestrial fauna by the martians. The biologist speaks slowly
reinterpreting the body-language of the teacher as well as the
tridimensional images in that luminous school-room within the "Face";
exactly as if he were telepathically guided or commanded by the
brownish martian lady.
It is quite impossible to separate the content of this grandious and solemn
"Martian Lesson" in the movie from the metaphoric content of our
current religious dogmae. It is my opinion that the thesis of this movie
is totally correct (essentially at least) and magnificently described:
Mars is the genuine cradle of mankind and, logically, keeps for Himself
the right of supreme Government within the Solar System.
*****Comment: Without the sober explanatory words of the intelligent
biologist (to help the other two students and the audience)
the movie would be forced to lengthy scenes which would be ridiculously
redundant and too speculative. No mystery in mental guidance: we know
such thing on Earth from many sources among which some indian gurus are
experts. The 'Pangea' or unique continent on Earth was still discernible
in the range of some 500 million years ago, but it took a long
discussion by our scientists to finally settle down such fact which
the movie describes in very short scene. The runing (as in a race) of
quasi-dinosaurs is excellent way to signify in the movie how the
nartians saw in space and time such passing away of old terrestrial
fauna to be replaced by new fauna (and flora)... slowly and, of
course, evolutively but, without a doubt, with long-range control
from the master martians. Until they decided that the time and
terrestrial garden was ready to transfer their progeny: Homo Sapiens.
How could they forget in such meticulous transfer some samples of
our martian animal ancestry?. They did not: and now we are lucky
to have apes with DNA extremely close to our own as the hard truth
was and is demanding. It would be stupid for the martians to
give up for ever the selfgovernment to Earth: thus that
'You shall not have other God but Myself' still is and will be
in our Book and heart for ever... may be with less and less
force as we grow and understand better and even when the
'heavenly Kingdom will come completely to Earth' as per Jesus'
prayer.*****
Angel Garcia
> G. Some more reviews. Great site for checking movies:
> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movies/titles/mission_to_mars/
Thanks. We had no idea that such movie has had so much controversy as above
URL says. Now I know about Director DePalma and the input of NASA: they say
that they wanted to be realistic regarding the astronautical topics and
I think that they can be given credit for that.
All commentaries, however, tend to ignore the crucial point of the movie:
its ending with the story about 'martians' being the Superior stock
of mankind in the solar system. That is what Lahoz stresses in preceding
PART V and following one.
Angel Garcia
As background for such review which I will post serially in here:
>>> ...
>>>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MAROR.GIF
>>>> http://www.interlog.com/~uniam/MARL.GIF
>>> ...
Mr. Schuming: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MARSHU.GIF
Mr. Da-Rong: http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/parlis.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/MAYU.GIF
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/marfer.gif
>>> ....
So Lahoz went to see the movie and made a spanish review which
Ferran, as editor, translated to a literary work of 'llengua catalana':
Flama (Maig-Juny, 2000)
>>> PART I
>>> "Mission to Mars" (Review by D.G. Lahoz).
>> ...
>> PART II
> ...
PART III
...
the biologist). The door, unexpectedly, hermetically shuts down.
PART IV
...
of multitude of spacecrafts flying to other worlds from the sphere of
Mars.
....
PART V
....
Mars is the genuine cradle of mankind and, logically, keeps for Himself
the right of supreme Government within the Solar System.
PART VI (final)
Mars has used (and continues to use) metaphoric language to tell us
these great and transcendent truths. My 7 books have described this for
scientists and now such immortal movie describes it artistically for
general public.
The movie ends with the "brownish martian" lady joining hands with her
3 students (all races and sexes well represented) around the martian
sphere in that luminous school. The intelligent biologist who had solved
the puzzle to enter within the "Face" is invited to return to Earth in
fast martian spacecraft while Luc and the lady come back to the
repaired landed spacecraft and it is supposed that, joining the impatient
technician in there, also return safely to Earth.
*****Comment: That is the end of the article. Lahoz used label "moreneta
marciana" which is close to the best catalonian icon "la Moreneta"
(= 'The Brownish one'): an ancient and dark wooden image of Virgin Mary held
in a Church in the unique Montserrat mountains (also with legendary miracle
associated to such icon). And Ferran cleverly followed the hint by
translating "joining hands" with the catalonian phrase "formant sardana": the
'sardana' is the most beautiful dance of all dances which join hands in
circles; it can be admired on sundays in the square by the Cathedral
of Barcelona. It is here only where Lahoz uses 'immortal movie' because
we, at UNIAM, have the unique credit of proving for ever that the
106 km circle at Cydonia (or "Museum of Monuments") describes WITH
PRECISION of numbers the 1 Ga long "Martian History" of Homo Sapiens.
From martian surface to martian subterranean habitats, the 'martians'
have been in there longer than anybody else within the solar System;
and, of course, every other intelligent being has been originated,
as primary source, in Mars. Such fact is the core of the movie-story
and consequently it is bound to be become, velis nolis, immortal.*****
stevend
> You don't know what you are talking about:
> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/wathh.gif
I'm sorry but this image just isn't good enough. There may be
vague
hints of a hexagonal shape, but it's still not good enough proof
of
any kind of built structure.
I, as much as some people, would love for there to be ancient
ruins
to be found on Mars or ANY where else besides Earth. I'm waiting
for the day when extraterrestrials are proven to exist, but it's
going to be proven with undeniable evidence, such as, through
SETI
or if/when we get the Terrestrial Planet Finder interferometer
telescope up and working (hopefully before 2010), or if 'they'
come
to visit us here on Earth.
Borrowing from the X-files: I want to believe.
But people have to be careful to not jump to conclusions and
especially assumptions about naturally eroded craters, hills,
mountains, and volcano craters on mars.
Although, I believe it is quite -possible- that the seeds for
life
on Earth -could- have originated on Mars (some how) and found its
way to Earth in martian meteors. I think its more probable that
the
chemicals for organic life originated in stars then were
transported in rocky/metalic meteors and comets.
I'm not an Astronomer or any kind of Scientist. These are just my
opinions.
Angel Garcia
> Angel said:
>> You don't know what you are talking about:
>> http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Concourse/9460/wathh.gif
>
> I'm sorry but this image just isn't good enough. There may be
> vague
> hints of a hexagonal shape, but it's still not good enough proof
> of
> any kind of built structure.
>
> I, as much as some people, would love for there to be ancient
> ruins
The "Happy Face" and mostly its nearly perfect left eye (right side)
are ancient ruins of hexagonal craters designed and built from
round natural craters. Both hexagons are not oriented identically:
the large one has one vertex up (North, I suppose) whereas the little
one has one side up. Of course there are other an many ruins on martian
surface... but after 500 million years of ferocious winds very little
can be seen of those extremely old (and surely wonderful!) towns and
bridges and countries. Only WRITTEN records are clear: much more recent
in the range of 0.3 Ma when constellation Fulgur was at the dome of
the invariable plane of the solar system; martians came to the surface
and built the whole "Museum of Monuments" at Cydonia as perennial, if
not eternal, WRITTEN record of their History on Mars. Which is why we
call Cydonia a 'sacred' area to be SEEN from spacecrafts and not to
be touched.
Certainly the URL above presented with 7 among the most clear
hexagonal craters is far more than sufficient to ascertain artificiality
even for non-scientists. The odds of being naturally produced
(all 7 and others) are negligible when one takes account of the large
distances involved between opposite parallel sides of these hexagons.
What else could be thought more adequate to make signals and waves to
spacecrafts (possibly in distress and poor visibility) for good landing
sites?
> Borrowing from the X-files: I want to believe.
...
> Although, I believe it is quite -possible- that the seeds for
> life
> on Earth -could- have originated on Mars (some how) and found its
> way to Earth in martian meteors. I think its more probable that
> the
> chemicals for organic life originated in stars then were
> transported in rocky/metalic meteors and comets.
>
Again: more moderate but still you don't know your basics in such
theme of ETI. You are repeating like parrot all silly cliches divulged
in these NG as if a few incompetents from NASA and elsewhere had the
only truth to be trusted. NASA is only the spring or source of the
images: certainly nothing would have been discovered without NASA
so far; but the heavy duty research about NASA's images has been
done by other reporters and scientists (regarding ETI). ETI detection
requires (in the Cydonia case) a degree and QUALITY of SENSITIVITY
which obviously is not common place. David Elphick (see my URL) HAS
such sensitivity and discovered "Scholaris" and "TA" and important
portion of "FA". So did Terry Holden with his TF or 'triangular
foundation' which was the germ to discover the whole FA.
> I'm not an Astronomer or any kind of Scientist. These are just my
> opinions.
Fair enough.
Brian Davis
> OK., you Extraordinaire: what is your basic complaint against the
> movie? Perhaps that the geological site does not resemble the
> actual martian Cydonia?.. big deal!. One can never be an absolute
> winer.
Um, this was covered extensively at the time in several newsgroups,
but if Nick doesn't mind, I'll just give a couple: Lousy orbital
mechanics, a complete mis-representation of an orbital rendevous, stupid
astronauts (they could have rescued the guy in more than one way), a
base site that is nowhere near cydonia and yet it's a short drive, a
complete mis-representation of how a 6-10 mb atmosphere would effect
people and rocks, one of the stupider examples of how decompression
would kill a person (he didn't explode, at least, but that's damning
with faint praise).
All this is beside the fact that for most of us (Angel perhaps
excepted), the basic premise was outdated and ridiculus. But the movie,
far apart from such basic points, was terrible; plot, details, science,
etc.
sci.anthropology.paleo removed from follow-up; I suspect you guys don't
really need to see more of this.
--
Brian Davis
David Knisely
should know the topography of Mars better by now) wrote:
> how do you know that the 'site is not near Cydonia'?:
> ridiculous criticism, since the movie makers assume it is near
> Cydonia.
The site identified by the caption, "CYDONIA" during the early
portions of the movie is clearly *not* the real Cydonia on Mars.
CYDONIA is a light albedo feature which sits just to the east of
the prominent dark marking known as Mare Acidalum (Acidalum
Planitia). Cydonia does *not* have the deep canyons and
steep-walled gullies shown in the opening sequences of the
movie's shot of the little rover. Cydonia is largely a flat
plain with some low mounds and irregular mesas (mostly in the
Cydonia Mensae region south of "the Face"), along with a few
scattered impact craters. The movie later also showed the
"movie" landing site from the "passing" Saturn probe (how
convenient!), which zoomed in on it from a wide angle view down
to a narrow-angle view which revealed the surface installation
and lander. Those who paid attention could clearly see that the
first landing site was made in northwestern Sinai Planum near the
western mouth of Ius Chasma (part of Valles Marineris), quite
close to the large impact crater Oudemans. This is adjacent to
the main canyon regions, and would have been consistent with what
was shown in the opening sequences of the Mars surface shots.
Unfortunately, this location is close to 4,000 km (2,500 miles)
southwest of "the Face" near Cydonia Mensae (41N, 9.5W)! That
is much too far for a sizable surface rover to travel to in less
than several months time (if it could get there at all, which I
doubt, since the rover would have to go directly *across* the
main sections of Valles Marineris!). It is clear that, as with
so many other science fiction movies, the movie people did screw
up somewhat here. It would have been far better if the writers
would have had the first crew find something in or quite near
Valles Marineris without having to fall back on the tired old
"Face-on-Mars" crutch. At least the scenery would have been more
interesting!
Aside from all the technical and scientific inaccuracies
(covered better in other postings), the movie was just plain not
all that good. The plot ideas had been done before (2001, TOTAL
RECALL, ect.), and the acting was a little wooden. In fact, the
first 15 minutes or so could have been edited down to under 5
minutes without harming the movie all that much. In short, the
story was lame, the action was predictable, and the movie was
forgetable! Clear skies to you.
David Knisely
Prairie Astronomy Club: http://www.4w.com/pac
Hyde Memorial Observatory:
http://www.blackstarpress.com/arin/hyde
Angel Garcia
> Angel Garcia wrote:
>
>> OK., you Extraordinaire: what is your basic complaint against the
>> movie? Perhaps that the geological site does not resemble the
>> actual martian Cydonia?.. big deal!. One can never be an absolute
>> winer.
>
> Um, this was covered extensively at the time in several newsgroups,
> but if Nick doesn't mind, I'll just give a couple: Lousy orbital
> mechanics, a complete mis-representation of an orbital rendevous, stupid
> astronauts (they could have rescued the guy in more than one way),
the attempted landing was a pure emergency after the holes of the meteorite
had badly damaged the mother spacecraft of the 2nd mission. Thus the 4
are in martian orbit and the hero attempts to grab the piece which
was floating by itself in independent orbit and was absolutely necessary
for landing safely and with the basic replacement-repair. The hero
gets in fact that piece of equipment but losses balance and gets
himself with too much momentum in independent orbit. There was absolutely no
way of rescue him REALISTICALLY speaking; because the lady with her
reaction-gun had approached as much as possible to the hero and when she
shuts the string towards him it dos not reach him by few meters. Actually
if he had reached to that string most likely his momentum would have
dominated the momentum of the rescuer lady and BOTH would have perished
in orbit because the reaction-gun had no gas anymore for both to return
to the achorage base in orbit. It's a sci-fi movie but this piece of the
film is completely realistic.
> a base site that is nowhere near cydonia and yet it's a short drive, a
how do you know that the 'site is not near Cydonia'?: ridiculous
criticism, since the movie makers assume it is near Cydonia.
> complete mis-representation of how a 6-10 mb atmosphere would effect
> people and rocks,
it is not the normal air pressure but some 'superior force' what destroys
3... perhaps, say by injecting a ferocious artificial wind with
our 1013 milibars or more.
> one of the stupider examples of how decompression
> would kill a person (he didn't explode, at least, but that's damning
> with faint praise).
What realistically explodes is the veines and yes, may be the full
body is ejected towards the hole in the shoulder... but in the movie
it is sufficiently explicit to indicate what actually can take place
in such type of suicide: if the hat is moved out SLOWLY there is no
actual explosion but very near to what the movie shows.
Several actual astronauts and NASA advisors intervened in
the making of the movie and they were very pleased with the realistic
presentation regarding the astronautical details in such sci-fi movie.
The plot... la, la, the plot and story of superior martians is
precisely what motivated the so warm applause of Prof. Lahoz. Only
incompetent people can, by now, have any doubt about the superior ETI
in Mars. Yes, they are hiding but eventually they will show up, we say.
Angel Garcia
> Someone who should have paid more attention during the movie (and
> should know the topography of Mars better by now) wrote:
name as given in birth-certificate; my family and in school they
have been calling me 'Angel' or 'Angelico' or 'Angelito' since when
I was in kindergarten. It is a very nice name which one of my grand-ma's,
'Angela', gave to me as god-mather. There are not less than 5
'Angel' (male) and 4 female variants (Angela, Angelina, Angelines)
in my family. It does not mean that we are all as pure as 'angels'
but, what the heck... we try our best.
>> how do you know that the 'site is not near Cydonia'?:
>> ridiculous criticism, since the movie makers assume it is near
>> Cydonia.
> The site identified by the caption, "CYDONIA" during the early
> portions of the movie is clearly *not* the real Cydonia on Mars.
> CYDONIA is a light albedo feature which sits just to the east of
> the prominent dark marking known as Mare Acidalum (Acidalum
> Planitia).
I think that they spell it as 'Mare Acidalium'.
The movie is sci-fi and not a 'documentary' at all, despite of that
large "CYDONIA" in the screen which merely 'hints' to the real
martian Cydonia. Because the "Face" is, in the movie, obviously
depicted as a titanically beautiful human (egyptian-like) face
and most likely that has nothing to do with the reality of the
portentous Monument that Viking showed us (and we are still waiting to
see a proper re-image from the MGS... these MSSS/JPL tries and tries again
but they don't get it so far after 2 years... may be there is some magic
in it because, in the last time, the MOC malfunctioned and got only few
useless lines as humbly recognized by the operators).
> Cydonia does *not* have the deep canyons and
> steep-walled gullies shown in the opening sequences of the
> movie's shot of the little rover. Cydonia is largely a flat
> plain with some low mounds and irregular mesas (mostly in the
> Cydonia Mensae region south of "the Face"), along with a few
> scattered impact craters.
Don't fool yourself with the Viking and MOC photos. The gravity
on Mars is very low; thus the ratio of cohesive to weight forces
is much larger on Mars than on Earth producing
huge mountains and valleys. Cydonia has, per MOLA, enormous altitudes:
NDC, for instance, rises nearly 1 km above surrounding area and the
whole 'Mare Cydoniae' to the West has, by now, dry valleys of
nearly 0.5 km deep. In any case all this is totally irrelevant
for a sci-fi movie. The color is well depicted as 'redish' as all
current martian surface is, due to iron oxides.
David Knisely
> I think that they spell it as 'Mare Acidalium'. The movie is
> sci-fi and not a 'documentary' at all, despite of that large
> "CYDONIA" in the screen which merely 'hints' to the real
> martian Cydonia. Because the "Face" is, in the movie, obviously
> depicted as a titanically beautiful human (egyptian-like) face
> and most likely that has nothing to do with the reality of the
> portentous Monument that Viking showed us (and we are still
> waiting to see a proper re-image from the MGS... these
> MSSS/JPL tries and tries again but they don't get it so far
> after 2 years.
I would much rather be accused of dropping the letter "i" from a
name (should be Mare Acidalium or, more correctly, Acidalia
Planitia), than to be the originator of over 10 overly-long and
redundant postings about a mediocre movie. The movie was science
fiction, yet it tried to depict a real planet with real named
features to increase the believability of the script. It failed,
as it attempted to link an alleged location for a landing with
another feature which was over 2,500 miles away. As for MGS,
despite the protestations of a certain poster, the spacecraft
did ineed get its picture of "the Face" a long time ago. That is
science FACT, not science fiction.
As for the other ramblings in the reply posting, the poster
clearly knows little about the Martian albedo markings. There is
no such thing as "Mare Cydonia". The "mare" features on Mars
were observed from Earth-based telescopes, and are *dark*
markings, not light ones. Examples would be Mare Cimmerium, Mare
Tyrrhenum, Mare Australe, ect. Other dark features were given
the Latin identifiers "Lacus" (lakes), or "Palus" (marsh), as all
were originally mistaken for bodies of water by the early
telescopic observers. Cydonia is a light region, like Sinai,
Isidis Regio, Elysium, and many others. There is also an even
lighter spot known as Nix Cydonia ("snows" of Cydonia), but *no*
Mare Cydonia. Some of these names have been kept or modified to
depict surface features (ie: Cydonia Mensae), but many of these
albedo names are no longer used. The area marked by the light
"Cydonia" albedo feature is a huge area of gently rolling to flat
often nearly featureless plains with *no* large canyon features.
Also, the poster would be advised to learn all the details
behind the MOLA laser altimeter and topographic data before
stating again that "Cydonia" has considerable altitude, because
it clearly does not.
David Knisely
Alex R. Blackwell
> redundant postings about a mediocre movie.
Mediocre is being too kind. I agree with an earlier poster who
expressed dismay at being robbed (albeit voluntarily) of two valuable of
hours of life. Ironically, I had originally looked forward to the movie
(I like some of DePalma's early movies), but almost walked out after
about half an hour. My girlfriend and I arrived to an empty theater
about forty five minutes ahead of time, which was the only highlight of
the whole experience for me :-)
--
Alex R. Blackwell
University of Hawaii
taxidea
Why are you posting this to sci.anthro.paleo? If you don't
know how to remove irrelevant ngs from the header of the
message you're replying to find out how to do this.AG is nuts
but you are employed by an institute of higher learning. Is
this too much to expect?
Rick Wagler
Alex R. Blackwell
>
> Why are you posting this to sci.anthro.paleo? If you don't
> know how to remove irrelevant ngs from the header of the
> message you're replying to find out how to do this.AG is nuts
> but you are employed by an institute of higher learning. Is
> this too much to expect?
>
> Rick Wagler
Not at all and my apologies for not checking the cross posting. BTW,
thanks for the message and the next time I see one of your numerous
irrelevant messages cross posted I'll be sure to notify you and your
newsgroup :-)
stevend
And again, M2M is one the the top three worst movies ever.
(and all crop circles are hoaxes)
-Steven
G=EMC^2 Glazier
Paul Morris
herbert...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
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> No question,its mushrooms.They grow in the salt mines,here on earth.Nasa
> is going to find that nice damp soil just a few inches down.
> You don't have to be Italian to love mushrooms.They don't need any
> sun.I've grown them on a pine log down in my celler,year after year.My
> pet American cockroach loves mushrooms,and mint tooth paste.I call him
> big Moe. I will donate him to Nasa with some of my mushroom pine
> log.Both can take a bad landing. that way mars will have two forms of
> life and a tube of mint tooth paste. Herb ps No charge
>
>
The only problem is mushrooms require a lot of fertilizer.
What's going to produce the dung that they need? ;)
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