Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Canada to abandon science and will teach creationism and other bogosities
64 views
Skip to first unread message
Thad Floryan
May 24, 2013, 1:01:30 PM5/24/13
to
As found on Slashdot yesterday:
" A contributor at ScienceBlogs.com has compiled and published a
" shockingly long list of systematic attacks on scientific research
" committed by the Canadian government since the conservatives came
" to power in 2006. This anti-scientific scourge includes muzzling
" scientists, shutting down research centers, industry deregulation
" and re-purposing the National Research Council to align with
" business interests instead of doing real science. It will be
" another two years before Canadians have the chance to go to the
" polls, but how much more damage will be done in the meantime?
And RichA criticizes the USA? Pot -- kettle -- black.
Links:
http://scienceblogs.com/confessions/2013/05/20/the-canadian-war-on-science-a-long-unexaggerated-devastating-chronological-indictment/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/05/22/canada_nrc_update_about_supporting_basic_research_and_business.html
" A contributor at ScienceBlogs.com has compiled and published a
" shockingly long list of systematic attacks on scientific research
" committed by the Canadian government since the conservatives came
" to power in 2006. This anti-scientific scourge includes muzzling
" scientists, shutting down research centers, industry deregulation
" and re-purposing the National Research Council to align with
" business interests instead of doing real science. It will be
" another two years before Canadians have the chance to go to the
" polls, but how much more damage will be done in the meantime?
And RichA criticizes the USA? Pot -- kettle -- black.
Links:
http://scienceblogs.com/confessions/2013/05/20/the-canadian-war-on-science-a-long-unexaggerated-devastating-chronological-indictment/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/05/22/canada_nrc_update_about_supporting_basic_research_and_business.html
Bert
May 25, 2013, 12:20:18 PM5/25/13
to
In news:519F9CEA...@thadlabs.com Thad Floryan <th...@thadlabs.com>
wrote:
> As found on Slashdot yesterday:
>
> " A contributor at ScienceBlogs.com has compiled and published a
> " shockingly long list of systematic attacks on scientific research
> " committed by the Canadian government since the conservatives came
> " to power in 2006.
Is all research in Canada performed by the Canadian government?
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
wrote:
> As found on Slashdot yesterday:
>
> " A contributor at ScienceBlogs.com has compiled and published a
> " shockingly long list of systematic attacks on scientific research
> " committed by the Canadian government since the conservatives came
> " to power in 2006.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
Chris L Peterson
May 25, 2013, 12:51:33 PM5/25/13
to
On Sat, 25 May 2013 16:20:18 +0000 (UTC), Bert <be...@iphouse.com>
wrote:
>Is all research in Canada performed by the Canadian government?
Pretty much all long range, non-applied scientific research is
primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
wrote:
>Is all research in Canada performed by the Canadian government?
primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
Bert
May 25, 2013, 1:34:53 PM5/25/13
to
In news:nrq1q8hdroqtv1cka...@4ax.com Chris L Peterson
The OP's comments suggests that it doesn't work.
When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
Davoud
May 25, 2013, 3:11:19 PM5/25/13
to
Bert:
Peterson pointed out, government and foundation funding are the only
way to do big science and other big projects. Our most notable failure
in this regard, IMO, was when politicians got cold feet over the
Superconducting Supercollider. We might have discovered the Higgs many
years ago and been down to Planck scale by now. Never mind;
mismanagement by arrogant scientists was as much at fault as any other
factor. Why didn't the private sector take over the project, one
wonders rhetorically?
You didn't see the private sector developing a polio vaccine without
government grants. The private sector had from the invention of the
rocket in the 13th century to the 1950's to develop spacecraft, but it
did nothing. It had from Sputnik I to Apollo 11 to launch a manned moon
mission, but it did nothing. The private-sector billionaires would
still be doing nothing if the government had not done all of the hard
research for them. LIGO, the LHC, the Hubble... where was the private
sector in these initiatives? In each of these it was politicians who
voted the funds. But they didn't tell Salk how to make his vaccine or
NASA where to land on the moon.
When was the private sector going to build the Interstate Highway
System? Politicians had plenty to say about the routes followed by the
various highways, but, on balance, the system seems to be working; I
recently traveled 2000 km on the Interstates and got just where I need
to go and back home again with minimal fuss.
Finally, you should know that there are other good reasons for
politicians to have a say in science. Case in point: the U.S. is no
longer deploying or stockpiling ERRB weapons ("neutron bombs"). The
total number of nuclear weapons in the U.S. arsenal is less than 1/3
what it was in the mid 1960's. This, thanks to progressive politicians.
--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
> >>Is all research in Canada performed by the Canadian government?
Chris L Peterson:
> > Pretty much all long range, non-applied scientific research is
> > primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
> > non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
Bert:
> > primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
> > non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
> The OP's comments suggests that it doesn't work.
>
> When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
> surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
Meddling by politicians has sometimes nobbled research, but as Mr.
>
> When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
> surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
Peterson pointed out, government and foundation funding are the only
way to do big science and other big projects. Our most notable failure
in this regard, IMO, was when politicians got cold feet over the
Superconducting Supercollider. We might have discovered the Higgs many
years ago and been down to Planck scale by now. Never mind;
mismanagement by arrogant scientists was as much at fault as any other
factor. Why didn't the private sector take over the project, one
wonders rhetorically?
You didn't see the private sector developing a polio vaccine without
government grants. The private sector had from the invention of the
rocket in the 13th century to the 1950's to develop spacecraft, but it
did nothing. It had from Sputnik I to Apollo 11 to launch a manned moon
mission, but it did nothing. The private-sector billionaires would
still be doing nothing if the government had not done all of the hard
research for them. LIGO, the LHC, the Hubble... where was the private
sector in these initiatives? In each of these it was politicians who
voted the funds. But they didn't tell Salk how to make his vaccine or
NASA where to land on the moon.
When was the private sector going to build the Interstate Highway
System? Politicians had plenty to say about the routes followed by the
various highways, but, on balance, the system seems to be working; I
recently traveled 2000 km on the Interstates and got just where I need
to go and back home again with minimal fuss.
Finally, you should know that there are other good reasons for
politicians to have a say in science. Case in point: the U.S. is no
longer deploying or stockpiling ERRB weapons ("neutron bombs"). The
total number of nuclear weapons in the U.S. arsenal is less than 1/3
what it was in the mid 1960's. This, thanks to progressive politicians.
--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.
usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
oriel36
May 25, 2013, 3:33:16 PM5/25/13
to
On May 25, 8:11 pm, Davoud <s...@sky.net> wrote:
> Bert:
>
> > >>Is all research in Canada performed by the Canadian government?
>
> Chris L Peterson:
>
> > > Pretty much all long range, non-applied scientific research is
> > > primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
> > > non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
>
> Bert:
>
> > The OP's comments suggests that it doesn't work.
>
> > When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
> > surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
>
> Meddling by politicians has sometimes nobbled research, but as Mr.
> Peterson pointed out, government and foundation funding are the only
> way to do big science and other big projects.
'Big science' is by many magnitudes the biggest high end welfare scam
> Bert:
>
> > >>Is all research in Canada performed by the Canadian government?
>
> Chris L Peterson:
>
> > > Pretty much all long range, non-applied scientific research is
> > > primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
> > > non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
>
> Bert:
>
> > The OP's comments suggests that it doesn't work.
>
> > When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
> > surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
>
> Meddling by politicians has sometimes nobbled research, but as Mr.
> Peterson pointed out, government and foundation funding are the only
> way to do big science and other big projects.
ever perpetrated on the people of the planet based on nothing more
than fairytales and by hijacking the works of the great
astronomers,distorting their methods and sending their insights into
directions never intended.
The cult of the spinning moon is merely a facet of a wider ideology
where Kepler's work was neatly grafted in to support Sir Isaac's
'laws' but neither Kepler nor Galileo supported a spinning moon and
actually posited the reasons why planets orbit stars and moons orbit
the planets -
"The Sun and the moon rotate on their own axes...The purpose of this
motion is to confer motion on the planets located around them;on the
six primary planets in the case of the Sun,and on the moon in the case
of the Earth.On the other hand the moon does not rotate on the axis of
its own body,as its spots prove " Kepler
Notwithstanding that this is not why planets orbits stars,this fable
that Kepler's work goes to support Sir Isaac's absolute/relative
time,space and motion is just that - a fable but a very lucrative
these guys who have lifestyles and reputations calling themselves
'astronomers'.
Chris L Peterson
May 25, 2013, 3:38:49 PM5/25/13
to
On Sat, 25 May 2013 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC), Bert <be...@iphouse.com>
wrote:
>> Pretty much all long range, non-applied scientific research is
>> primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
>> non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
>
>The OP's comments suggests that it doesn't work.
>
>When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
>surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
You misunderstand me. The model that works involves the government
handing off funding responsibility to an independent expert agency
(like the NSF, NIH, EPA in the U.S.) I was simply pointing out that
nobody has produced a privately funded system of science research that
works on any large scale.
When legislators get involved in science funding decisions, as they
are doing increasingly in the U.S., and apparently in Canada, the
system fails, and we can expect such countries to fall behind in
producing basic research.
wrote:
>> Pretty much all long range, non-applied scientific research is
>> primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
>> non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
>
>The OP's comments suggests that it doesn't work.
>
>When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
>surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
handing off funding responsibility to an independent expert agency
(like the NSF, NIH, EPA in the U.S.) I was simply pointing out that
nobody has produced a privately funded system of science research that
works on any large scale.
When legislators get involved in science funding decisions, as they
are doing increasingly in the U.S., and apparently in Canada, the
system fails, and we can expect such countries to fall behind in
producing basic research.
oriel36
May 25, 2013, 3:51:32 PM5/25/13
to
"The Sun and the Earth rotate on their own axes...The purpose of this
motion is to confer motion on the planets located around them;on the
six primary planets in the case of the Sun,and on the moon in the case
of the Earth.On the other hand the moon does not rotate on the axis of
its own body,as its spots prove " Kepler
http://books.google.ie/books?id=OdCJAS0eQ64C&pg=PA78&lpg#v=onepage&q&f=false
six primary planets in the case of the Sun,and on the moon in the case
of the Earth.On the other hand the moon does not rotate on the axis of
its own body,as its spots prove " Kepler
'Big science' indeed !.
RichA
May 26, 2013, 12:11:00 AM5/26/13
to
On May 24, 10:01 am, Thad Floryan <t...@thadlabs.com> wrote:
> As found on Slashdot yesterday:
>
> " A contributor at ScienceBlogs.com has compiled and published a
> " shockingly long list of systematic attacks on scientific research
> " committed by the Canadian government since the conservatives came
> " to power in 2006. This anti-scientific scourge includes muzzling
> " scientists, shutting down research centers, industry deregulation
> " and re-purposing the National Research Council to align with
> " business interests instead of doing real science.
Don't confuse real scientific research with the concerted effort by
> As found on Slashdot yesterday:
>
> " A contributor at ScienceBlogs.com has compiled and published a
> " shockingly long list of systematic attacks on scientific research
> " committed by the Canadian government since the conservatives came
> " to power in 2006. This anti-scientific scourge includes muzzling
> " scientists, shutting down research centers, industry deregulation
> " and re-purposing the National Research Council to align with
> " business interests instead of doing real science.
leftist scientists to further their careers and worldwide wealth re-
distribution with the FRAUD of global warming science. As for Canada
as a whole, it has always spent less on pure R&D as part of GDP than
any Western country.
Mike Collins
May 26, 2013, 5:39:48 AM5/26/13
to
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/presentposition/ .
The amazing feat of navigation demo stated by the Cassini probe has been
achieved using Newtonian physics with a little bit of help from Einstein.
Can you do better?
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway
May 26, 2013, 5:55:28 AM5/26/13
to
"Mike Collins" wrote in message
news:360736708391253967.370548...@news.eternal-september.org...
=======================================================
Yeah, use a little bit of help from a computer, something the idiot
Einstein's
hindrance would know nothing about. Why are you bullshitting what you
cannot back up?
-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When the fools chicken farmer Wilson and Van de faggot present an argument I
cannot laugh at I'll retire from usenet.
news:360736708391253967.370548...@news.eternal-september.org...
Yeah, use a little bit of help from a computer, something the idiot
Einstein's
hindrance would know nothing about. Why are you bullshitting what you
cannot back up?
-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When the fools chicken farmer Wilson and Van de faggot present an argument I
cannot laugh at I'll retire from usenet.
oriel36
May 26, 2013, 8:42:22 AM5/26/13
to
On May 26, 10:39 am, Mike Collins <acridiniumes...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have news for you Collins,astronomy and natural terrestrial sciences
exist separate to any technological innovation and the very fact that
the first accurate watches are based on rotation once in 24 hours in
tandem with the Lat/Long system is enough to turn the empirical
propaganda against itself - your stupid junk might wash with the wider
population who know no better but not here.
The scam of hijacking the works of Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo and
directing towards the agenda of mere mathematicians who use the
celestial arena as a theoretical junkyard is vandalism of the worst
kind and I do not care if I am the single voice in this matter,it will
be a blot on this era of humanity whether it is fixed or not .
You all like observational reports yet you all choose to ignore one of
the greatest reports of them all as it is among the first to discuss
the moon in any systematic way since the brilliant report of
Plutarch.Not once does he consider a spinning moon and like Kepler he
approaches the cause of orbital motion as a dynamic imparted by the
rotation of larger objects on smaller so even though it does not mesh
with modern observation neither can their works go to support the
vicious strain of empiricism that surfaced with Newton and which has
almost destroyed astronomy -
http://www.archive.org/stream/siderealmessenge80gali#page/n7/mode/2up
Read it !.
exist separate to any technological innovation and the very fact that
the first accurate watches are based on rotation once in 24 hours in
tandem with the Lat/Long system is enough to turn the empirical
propaganda against itself - your stupid junk might wash with the wider
population who know no better but not here.
The scam of hijacking the works of Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo and
directing towards the agenda of mere mathematicians who use the
celestial arena as a theoretical junkyard is vandalism of the worst
kind and I do not care if I am the single voice in this matter,it will
be a blot on this era of humanity whether it is fixed or not .
You all like observational reports yet you all choose to ignore one of
the greatest reports of them all as it is among the first to discuss
the moon in any systematic way since the brilliant report of
Plutarch.Not once does he consider a spinning moon and like Kepler he
approaches the cause of orbital motion as a dynamic imparted by the
rotation of larger objects on smaller so even though it does not mesh
with modern observation neither can their works go to support the
vicious strain of empiricism that surfaced with Newton and which has
almost destroyed astronomy -
http://www.archive.org/stream/siderealmessenge80gali#page/n7/mode/2up
Read it !.
Davoud
May 26, 2013, 11:38:05 AM5/26/13
to
RichA:
How did it come about that all of the world's fair-minded and neutral
climate scientists ended up working for the energy industry and all of
the greedy, leftist, dishonest, scheming climatologists ended up in
independent research groups, universities, space agencies, and the
like?
> Don't confuse real scientific research with the concerted effort by
> leftist scientists to further their careers and worldwide wealth re-
> distribution with the FRAUD of global warming science...
> leftist scientists to further their careers and worldwide wealth re-
How did it come about that all of the world's fair-minded and neutral
climate scientists ended up working for the energy industry and all of
the greedy, leftist, dishonest, scheming climatologists ended up in
independent research groups, universities, space agencies, and the
like?
oriel36
May 26, 2013, 12:16:40 PM5/26/13
to
definition has to be accepted based on an astronomical definition
first and foremost.
The modelers have rigged the issue to make statistical weather over a
long period look like climate so they can attempt to model climate
like weather but this is exceptionally silly.
There is a global climate spectrum where a planet with zero
inclination has an equatorial climate so that there is little
variations in the background conditions as a planet orbits the Sun
hence very little opportunity for variations in weather.A planet with
a 90 degree inclination has huge variations in latitudinal conditions
as it orbits the Sun hence weather would shift dramatically across all
latitudes.
Remember - global climate is the background for weather and that is
the only proper view.This stupid idea of 'climate change' is a product
of mathematical modelers working off computer models like their
ancestors destroyed astronomy through their inability to understand
the limitations of modeling planetary motions and solar system
structure using watches.
One hundred lines for you -
Global climate is the background for weather
Global climate is the background for weather..
Mike Collins
May 26, 2013, 12:59:49 PM5/26/13
to
Grow up!
oriel36
May 26, 2013, 1:10:31 PM5/26/13
to
On May 26, 5:59 pm, Mike Collins <acridiniumes...@gmail.com> wrote:
You do not know what causes ice sheet weather nor why it goes,it could
be regions of space which are colder than others as the solar system
moves through the region in its galactic orbital motion or any other
internal or external input,what you can be certain of is that as long
as the Earth retains its 23 1/2 degree inclination it will retain a
fixed climate as largely an equatorial climate with minor polar
inputs.
You indoctrinated people are still working off 'no tilt/no seasons'
and that is about how much you know of the distinction between weather
and climate.
be regions of space which are colder than others as the solar system
moves through the region in its galactic orbital motion or any other
internal or external input,what you can be certain of is that as long
as the Earth retains its 23 1/2 degree inclination it will retain a
fixed climate as largely an equatorial climate with minor polar
inputs.
You indoctrinated people are still working off 'no tilt/no seasons'
and that is about how much you know of the distinction between weather
and climate.
Bert
May 26, 2013, 1:38:07 PM5/26/13
to
In news:fj42q8tpd5g9g7gio...@4ax.com Chris L Peterson
<c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> ... The model that works involves the government
cash aren't going to take an interest in how the cash is used, even if
it's only to guarantee that their friends get some?
<c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> ... The model that works involves the government
> handing off funding responsibility to an independent expert agency
> (like the NSF, NIH, EPA in the U.S.) I was simply pointing out that
> nobody has produced a privately funded system of science research that
> works on any large scale.
>
> When legislators get involved in science funding decisions, as they
> are doing increasingly in the U.S., and apparently in Canada, the
> system fails, and we can expect such countries to fall behind in
> producing basic research.
>
Do you really expect the politicians who are responsible for handing out
> (like the NSF, NIH, EPA in the U.S.) I was simply pointing out that
> nobody has produced a privately funded system of science research that
> works on any large scale.
>
> When legislators get involved in science funding decisions, as they
> are doing increasingly in the U.S., and apparently in Canada, the
> system fails, and we can expect such countries to fall behind in
> producing basic research.
>
cash aren't going to take an interest in how the cash is used, even if
it's only to guarantee that their friends get some?
Mike Collins
May 26, 2013, 2:03:48 PM5/26/13
to
Grow up!
oriel36
May 26, 2013, 2:33:21 PM5/26/13
to
http://www.archive.org/stream/siderealmessenge80gali#page/n7/mode/2up
No doubt it wouldn't appeal to the spinning moon cult - the shame of
this era and the homocentric empiricists who promote it
David Staup
May 26, 2013, 5:05:07 PM5/26/13
to
On 5/25/2013 2:38 PM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC), Bert <be...@iphouse.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Pretty much all long range, non-applied scientific research is
>>> primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
>>> non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
>>
>> The OP's comments suggests that it doesn't work.
>>
>> When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
>> surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
>
> You misunderstand me. The model that works involves the government
> handing off funding responsibility to an independent expert agency
> (like the NSF, NIH, EPA in the U.S.) I was simply pointing out that
> nobody has produced a privately funded system of science research that
> works on any large scale.
>
again not
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC), Bert <be...@iphouse.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Pretty much all long range, non-applied scientific research is
>>> primarily paid for by the government in every country, supplemented by
>>> non-profit foundations. It's the only model that works.
>>
>> The OP's comments suggests that it doesn't work.
>>
>> When you demand that politicians control your research, don't be
>> surprised to one day find politicians controlling your research.
>
> You misunderstand me. The model that works involves the government
> handing off funding responsibility to an independent expert agency
> (like the NSF, NIH, EPA in the U.S.) I was simply pointing out that
> nobody has produced a privately funded system of science research that
> works on any large scale.
>
the majority of research has been privately funded in the past.
even before government grants most research went on in universities that
were privately funded.
I will agree that the drift to government control has been
counter-productive...it always leads science to the "preferred answer"
look at climate "science"
Chris L Peterson
May 26, 2013, 9:56:13 PM5/26/13
to
On Sun, 26 May 2013 17:38:07 +0000 (UTC), Bert <be...@iphouse.com>
wrote:
>Do you really expect the politicians who are responsible for handing out
>cash aren't going to take an interest in how the cash is used, even if
>it's only to guarantee that their friends get some?
For the most part, once an individual agency in the U.S. has been
funded, legislators have largely kept their hands off the actual grant
administration process. That is changing with our current
scientifically illiterate and politically corrupt Congress, however.
wrote:
>Do you really expect the politicians who are responsible for handing out
>cash aren't going to take an interest in how the cash is used, even if
>it's only to guarantee that their friends get some?
funded, legislators have largely kept their hands off the actual grant
administration process. That is changing with our current
scientifically illiterate and politically corrupt Congress, however.
Chris L Peterson
May 26, 2013, 9:56:51 PM5/26/13
to
On Sun, 26 May 2013 16:05:07 -0500, David Staup <dst...@charter.net>
wrote:
>the majority of research has been privately funded in the past.
Not even close. Almost no basic research has been privately funded.
wrote:
>the majority of research has been privately funded in the past.
oriel36
May 27, 2013, 3:48:47 AM5/27/13
to
On May 27, 2:56 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 17:38:07 +0000 (UTC), Bert <b...@iphouse.com>
The people of this planet are in the grip of a cult which takes the
name of 'science' but is really a vicious strain of empiricism,at
least as it applies to astronomy and natural terrestrial sciences.
I have no problem with people receiving money for investigating
celestial and terrestrial phenomena however the present funding is
going to narrow the pool of information rather than expand it,the
voodoo is now more prevalent,the topics are more vacuous and exist
only in the imagination while the vast observable data remains
untouched and buried behind what is effectively a high end welfare
scam.
Are things so bad that people no longer appreciate that it is the
journey towards a conclusion or insight that is important rather than
the conclusion itself.Our astronomical ancestors did strive towards
explaining observations using the motions of the Earth but couldn't
find a way to fit things neatly together until Copernicus found just
the right way to split orbital motion from daily rotation.A thousand
years earlier,one man came fairly close as demonstrated in that
remarkable work of Plutarch -
"... that the Greeks collectively should impeach Aristagoras the
Stoic, of impiety, for overthrowing the altar of earth, because the
fellow attempted to account for visible phenomena by supposing that
the sky remains fixed, and that the earth rolls round down an oblique
circle, turning at the same time upon its own axis." Plutarch
http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Moon.html
If men are going to be funded,let them be men who can identify the
current modeling mess we inherit and act towards restoring
interpretative science from the speculative nightmare in which it has
found itself.
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 17:38:07 +0000 (UTC), Bert <b...@iphouse.com>
name of 'science' but is really a vicious strain of empiricism,at
least as it applies to astronomy and natural terrestrial sciences.
I have no problem with people receiving money for investigating
celestial and terrestrial phenomena however the present funding is
going to narrow the pool of information rather than expand it,the
voodoo is now more prevalent,the topics are more vacuous and exist
only in the imagination while the vast observable data remains
untouched and buried behind what is effectively a high end welfare
scam.
Are things so bad that people no longer appreciate that it is the
journey towards a conclusion or insight that is important rather than
the conclusion itself.Our astronomical ancestors did strive towards
explaining observations using the motions of the Earth but couldn't
find a way to fit things neatly together until Copernicus found just
the right way to split orbital motion from daily rotation.A thousand
years earlier,one man came fairly close as demonstrated in that
remarkable work of Plutarch -
"... that the Greeks collectively should impeach Aristagoras the
Stoic, of impiety, for overthrowing the altar of earth, because the
fellow attempted to account for visible phenomena by supposing that
the sky remains fixed, and that the earth rolls round down an oblique
circle, turning at the same time upon its own axis." Plutarch
http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Moon.html
If men are going to be funded,let them be men who can identify the
current modeling mess we inherit and act towards restoring
interpretative science from the speculative nightmare in which it has
found itself.
Bert
May 27, 2013, 12:31:10 PM5/27/13
to
In news:n6f5q8lv19o7nf73k...@4ax.com Chris L Peterson
When you say "current," you mean the past 80 years or so, right?
And I'm sure it was merely an oversight when you didn't include the
Executive branch.
And I'm sure it was merely an oversight when you didn't include the
Executive branch.
oriel36
May 27, 2013, 5:10:26 PM5/27/13
to
How,for goodness sake,did the people of this world end up following
people who are convinced the moon spins ?.
RichA
May 27, 2013, 5:57:32 PM5/27/13
to
On May 26, 8:38 am, Davoud <s...@sky.net> wrote:
> RichA:
>
> > Don't confuse real scientific research with the concerted effort by
> > leftist scientists to further their careers and worldwide wealth re-
> > distribution with the FRAUD of global warming science...
>
> How did it come about that all of the world's fair-minded and neutral
> climate scientists ended up working for the energy industry and all of
> the greedy, leftist, dishonest, scheming climatologists ended up in
> independent research groups, universities, space agencies, and the
> like?
>
They still need jobs and the U.S. spends (to their {the climate
> RichA:
>
> > Don't confuse real scientific research with the concerted effort by
> > leftist scientists to further their careers and worldwide wealth re-
> > distribution with the FRAUD of global warming science...
>
> How did it come about that all of the world's fair-minded and neutral
> climate scientists ended up working for the energy industry and all of
> the greedy, leftist, dishonest, scheming climatologists ended up in
> independent research groups, universities, space agencies, and the
> like?
>
"scientist's"} benefit) $3 billion a year (wastes) on global warming
research. Even hard core leftists will fight tooth and nail to get
hold of their share.
chris...@gmail.com
May 27, 2013, 8:57:34 PM5/27/13
to
I am not one to accept the fantasy twists of religion but apparently even obviously, there was something very wrong then and very true in ancient texts about 'chauvinistic control tripped for profit humans', to whom equality among men is a threat. After what we have seen, it is not a far stretch of imagination
easily believe Canaanites sacrificed their children to their idol god Baal, and Molech the Owl God. They produced the first ruler, as well as being the originators of Freemasonry. Lovers dont have time nor ability to dominate for profit, only the dark greedy heartless Ferengi. Did SG-1 ever get to kill Baal?
We unknowingly, or some of us knowingly, celebrate the first ruler's birthday on December 25TH. He was known as Nimrod, the great hunter (Orion snake blood). Canaanites are easy to spot, as you will know them by their deeds.
Chris L Peterson
May 28, 2013, 12:29:45 AM5/28/13
to
On Mon, 27 May 2013 16:31:10 +0000 (UTC), Bert <be...@iphouse.com>
wrote:
>> For the most part, once an individual agency in the U.S. has been
>> funded, legislators have largely kept their hands off the actual grant
>> administration process. That is changing with our current
>> scientifically illiterate and politically corrupt Congress, however.
>
>When you say "current," you mean the past 80 years or so, right?
Maybe something like that. As long as serious long range scientific
research has been going on that couldn't be done by a lone guy in a
lab.
>And I'm sure it was merely an oversight when you didn't include the
>Executive branch.
Include in what? It certainly isn't scientifically illiterate, and
I've seen no evidence of corruption.
wrote:
>> For the most part, once an individual agency in the U.S. has been
>> funded, legislators have largely kept their hands off the actual grant
>> administration process. That is changing with our current
>> scientifically illiterate and politically corrupt Congress, however.
>
>When you say "current," you mean the past 80 years or so, right?
research has been going on that couldn't be done by a lone guy in a
lab.
>And I'm sure it was merely an oversight when you didn't include the
>Executive branch.
I've seen no evidence of corruption.
oriel36
May 28, 2013, 1:15:37 AM5/28/13
to
On May 28, 5:29 am, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 16:31:10 +0000 (UTC), Bert <b...@iphouse.com>
inspirational and can only come from an individual but it resonates
with the community who build on that insight.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html
". . . the ancient hypotheses clearly fail to account for certain
important matters. For example, they do not comprehend the causes of
the numbers, extents and durations of the retrogradations and of their
agreeing so well with the position and mean motion of the sun.
Copernicus alone gives an explanation to those things that provoke
astonishment among other astronomers, thus destroying the source of
astonishment, which lies in the ignorance of the causes." Kepler 1596,
Mysterium Cosmographicum
What did the 'men in labs' ever do apart from destroy the main
arguments for the orbital motion of the Earth by opting for a false
perspective that doesn't work and is out of context with the works of
Copernicus,Kepler,Galileo and the few who appreciated the reasons for
a rotating and moving Earth .
"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct,..." Newton
That is how I know the 'men in labs' are not up to engaging in
astronomy,they not only don't know why that silly statement is wrong
but feel nothing when they see the actual time lapse footage of the
Earth overtaking the planets as the only way to resolve retrogrades.
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 16:31:10 +0000 (UTC), Bert <b...@iphouse.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> For the most part, once an individual agency in the U.S. has been
> >> funded, legislators have largely kept their hands off the actual grant
> >> administration process. That is changing with our current
> >> scientifically illiterate and politically corrupt Congress, however.
>
> >When you say "current," you mean the past 80 years or so, right?
>
> Maybe something like that. As long as serious long range scientific
> research has been going on that couldn't be done by a lone guy in a
> lab.
>
Astronomical discovery is like music composition,the insights are
>
> >> For the most part, once an individual agency in the U.S. has been
> >> funded, legislators have largely kept their hands off the actual grant
> >> administration process. That is changing with our current
> >> scientifically illiterate and politically corrupt Congress, however.
>
> >When you say "current," you mean the past 80 years or so, right?
>
> Maybe something like that. As long as serious long range scientific
> research has been going on that couldn't be done by a lone guy in a
> lab.
>
inspirational and can only come from an individual but it resonates
with the community who build on that insight.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html
". . . the ancient hypotheses clearly fail to account for certain
important matters. For example, they do not comprehend the causes of
the numbers, extents and durations of the retrogradations and of their
agreeing so well with the position and mean motion of the sun.
Copernicus alone gives an explanation to those things that provoke
astonishment among other astronomers, thus destroying the source of
astonishment, which lies in the ignorance of the causes." Kepler 1596,
Mysterium Cosmographicum
What did the 'men in labs' ever do apart from destroy the main
arguments for the orbital motion of the Earth by opting for a false
perspective that doesn't work and is out of context with the works of
Copernicus,Kepler,Galileo and the few who appreciated the reasons for
a rotating and moving Earth .
"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct,..." Newton
That is how I know the 'men in labs' are not up to engaging in
astronomy,they not only don't know why that silly statement is wrong
but feel nothing when they see the actual time lapse footage of the
Earth overtaking the planets as the only way to resolve retrogrades.
Mike Collins
May 28, 2013, 5:05:47 AM5/28/13
to
> bit of help from a computer, something the idiot
> Einstein's
> hindrance would know nothing about. Why are you bullshitting what you
> cannot back up?
>
> -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
> Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
> When the fools chicken farmer Wilson and Van de faggot present an argument I
> cannot laugh at I'll retire from usenet.
I just walked through the maze of backstreets in Venice using Google Maps,
> Einstein's
> hindrance would know nothing about. Why are you bullshitting what you
> cannot back up?
>
> -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
> Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
> When the fools chicken farmer Wilson and Van de faggot present an argument I
> cannot laugh at I'll retire from usenet.
only possible because of relativistic corrections.
One more demonstration that Einstein was right.
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway
May 28, 2013, 8:10:56 AM5/28/13
to
"Mike Collins" wrote in message
news:1984710544391424823.81470...@news.eternal-september.org...
The ravings of a deranged mind are unfortunately all too common on Usenet.
I see you make no attempt to prove your idiotic assertions.
oriel36
May 28, 2013, 8:45:42 AM5/28/13
to
On May 28, 10:05 am, Mike Collins <acridiniumes...@gmail.com> wrote:
What gives you the right along with all the other empiricists to deny
the fundamental system which links the 24 hour AM/PM system to the 360
degree Lat/Long system by way of the rotation of the Earth ?.You lot
have been getting away with murder for so long and the only reason you
can pinpoint your spot East to West on the planet is because accurate
watches were developed on the principle that the Earth rotates on
average 24 hours for each cycle based on 1461 rotations in a
365/365/365/366 cycle format whether it is days or rotations.
Your empirical system is a complete failure,you may not know or want
to know it but common sense will eventually prevail -
"The application of a Timekeeper to this discovery is founded upon the
following principles: the earth's surface is divided into 360 equal
parts (by imaginary lines drawn from North to South) which are called
Degrees of Longitude; and its daily revolution Eastward round its own
axis is performed in 24 hours; consequently in that period, each of
those imaginary lines or degrees, becomes successively opposite to the
Sun (which makes the noon or precise middle of the day at each of
those degrees;) and it must follow, that from the time any one of
those lines passes the Sun, till the next passes, must be just four
minutes, for 24 hours being divided by 360 will give that quantity; so
that for every degree of Longitude we sail Westward, it will be noon
with us four minutes the later, and for every degree Eastward four
minutes the sooner, and so on in proportion for any greater or less
quantity. Now, the exact time of the day at the place where we are,
can be ascertained by well known and easy observations of the Sun if
visible for a few minutes at any time from his being ten degrees high
until within an hour of noon, or from an hour after noon until he is
only 10 degrees high in the afternoon; if therefore, at any time when
such observation is made, a Timekeeper tells us at the same moment
what o'clock it is at the place we sailed from, our Longitude is
clearly discovered." John Harrison
http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org/info_sheets_john_harrison.htm
The treachery of those people who hated Harrison lives on in you
Collins,that festering viciousness that tries to take the good out of
astronomy and makes it incomprehensible to the wider population using
nothing more than voodoo and a mean spirited attitude.
> "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway" <LordAndroc...@May2013.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Mike Collins" wrote in message
> >news:360736708391253967.370548...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Mike Collins" wrote in message
> >news:360736708391253967.370548...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
the fundamental system which links the 24 hour AM/PM system to the 360
degree Lat/Long system by way of the rotation of the Earth ?.You lot
have been getting away with murder for so long and the only reason you
can pinpoint your spot East to West on the planet is because accurate
watches were developed on the principle that the Earth rotates on
average 24 hours for each cycle based on 1461 rotations in a
365/365/365/366 cycle format whether it is days or rotations.
Your empirical system is a complete failure,you may not know or want
to know it but common sense will eventually prevail -
"The application of a Timekeeper to this discovery is founded upon the
following principles: the earth's surface is divided into 360 equal
parts (by imaginary lines drawn from North to South) which are called
Degrees of Longitude; and its daily revolution Eastward round its own
axis is performed in 24 hours; consequently in that period, each of
those imaginary lines or degrees, becomes successively opposite to the
Sun (which makes the noon or precise middle of the day at each of
those degrees;) and it must follow, that from the time any one of
those lines passes the Sun, till the next passes, must be just four
minutes, for 24 hours being divided by 360 will give that quantity; so
that for every degree of Longitude we sail Westward, it will be noon
with us four minutes the later, and for every degree Eastward four
minutes the sooner, and so on in proportion for any greater or less
quantity. Now, the exact time of the day at the place where we are,
can be ascertained by well known and easy observations of the Sun if
visible for a few minutes at any time from his being ten degrees high
until within an hour of noon, or from an hour after noon until he is
only 10 degrees high in the afternoon; if therefore, at any time when
such observation is made, a Timekeeper tells us at the same moment
what o'clock it is at the place we sailed from, our Longitude is
clearly discovered." John Harrison
http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org/info_sheets_john_harrison.htm
The treachery of those people who hated Harrison lives on in you
Collins,that festering viciousness that tries to take the good out of
astronomy and makes it incomprehensible to the wider population using
nothing more than voodoo and a mean spirited attitude.
Bert
May 28, 2013, 12:11:48 PM5/28/13
to
In news:pic8q817tdb4ukub6...@4ax.com Chris L Peterson
Ummm....
> and I've seen no evidence of corruption.
Interesting.
> and I've seen no evidence of corruption.
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway
May 28, 2013, 12:24:10 PM5/28/13
to
"oriel36" wrote in message
news:4c61ad8e-2bac-435a...@s8g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...
===============================================
it is 361 degrees for 24 hours, you anonymous empiricist lying thug,
and you have no right to challenge it.
news:4c61ad8e-2bac-435a...@s8g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...
it is 361 degrees for 24 hours, you anonymous empiricist lying thug,
and you have no right to challenge it.
oriel36
May 28, 2013, 2:17:59 PM5/28/13
to
On May 28, 5:24 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
Empiricists tried to turn facts and history on its head in order to
force through the idea that stellar circumpolar motion correlates
directly with rotation once through 360 degrees despite the sprawling
history of the Lat/Long system and the creation of watches based on
that principle.
You now have people unable to distinguish daily rotation from orbital
motion insofar as intrinsic rotation has a maximum equatorial speed
diminishing to zero at the polar coordinates while all parts of an
orbiting object move at the same speed.
The prevalence of the homocentric observations today with its
celestial diorama features is due to the fact that stellar circumpolar
motion gives no indication of latitudinal speeds of the observer.
These know-nothings that come here and pretend nothing is wrong,that
is the real crime.
force through the idea that stellar circumpolar motion correlates
directly with rotation once through 360 degrees despite the sprawling
history of the Lat/Long system and the creation of watches based on
that principle.
You now have people unable to distinguish daily rotation from orbital
motion insofar as intrinsic rotation has a maximum equatorial speed
diminishing to zero at the polar coordinates while all parts of an
orbiting object move at the same speed.
The prevalence of the homocentric observations today with its
celestial diorama features is due to the fact that stellar circumpolar
motion gives no indication of latitudinal speeds of the observer.
These know-nothings that come here and pretend nothing is wrong,that
is the real crime.
Mike Collins
May 28, 2013, 2:23:13 PM5/28/13
to
If you took one of his clocks and at noon every day marked shadow of a tall
object like a flagpole you would be able to plot a good analemma.
Come back on a years time and tell us the explanation of this curve.
The problem with Harrison's chronometers was the cost
A chronometer which cost as much as a ship was impractical.
Maskelyne's system was available to those who were not the equivalent of
millionaires.
oriel36
May 28, 2013, 2:50:41 PM5/28/13
to
cycle in tandem with the Lat/Long system out of the 1461 day calendar
cycle and like it or not Collins.people will eventually get a proper
explanation of the brilliant system that began in antiquity and was
built on when the dynamics of the Earth was discovered.
> If you took one of his clocks and at noon every day marked shadow of a tall
> object like a flagpole you would be able to plot a good analemma.
at the dangerous minds who tried to introduce a wandering Sun into a
celestial arena where the only valid 'wandering' motions are those of
the planets,observed as retrogrades and explained by the orbital
motion of the Earth.Not a single astronomer from antiquity through
Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo budgeted for such an abomination -
" Moreover, we see the other five planets also retrograde at times,
and stationary at either end [of the regression]. And whereas the sun
always advances along its own direct path, they wander in various
ways, straying sometimes to the south and sometimes to the north; that
is why they are called "planets" [wanderers]. "
You have a Nazi-like disregard for astronomy and its technical points
and a mean spirited attitude to go along with it
> Come back on a years time and tell us the explanation of this curve.
nor by trying to re-engineer the daily and orbital motions of the
planet using a 24 hour AM/PM cycle within the 365/365/365/366 day
calendar cycle.
> The problem with Harrison's chronometers was the cost
> A chronometer which cost as much as a ship was impractical.
> Maskelyne's system was available to those who were not the equivalent of
> millionaires.
people who would manufacture history and bury every known astronomical
accomplishment to have their speculative agenda.How many other know-
nothing who are satisfied with themselves and make no effort to
understand why these things are crucially important and that humans
use the full faculties o their brains in making sense of observations.
Canada along with all nations and institutions abandoned astronomy a
long time ago,not even the history of the chronometer registers with
the fools in this forum who are hungry for funds without earning it -
http://lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=2681
There are many different ways to use watches to determine East to West
but always within the confines of the 365/366 day format and always
based on the inviolate proportion of rotations to orbital circuits.
An unapologetic indoctrinated empirical drone among many and to think
there is not a single person out there with the courage and the
intelligence to tackle this tragedy.
Mike Collins
May 28, 2013, 5:01:26 PM5/28/13
to
How dare you call people who see through your personal fairyland of
superstition Nazis.
My mother was nearly killed by Nazi bombs.
My father fought the Nazis. I had an uncle who was in the commandos another
who was a Lancaster pilot and another who was a Japanese prisoner of war.
Your parents probably supported America First.
And I am a lifetime socialist.
>
>
>> Come back on a years time and tell us the explanation of this curve.
>
> You neither explain the Earth motions by stellar circumpolar motion
> nor by trying to re-engineer the daily and orbital motions of the
> planet using a 24 hour AM/PM cycle within the 365/365/365/366 day
> calendar cycle.
>
measurable as is the increasing distance of the moon.
But in your cloud cuckoo land you can ignore all contrary evidence.
>
>> The problem with Harrison's chronometers was the cost
>> A chronometer which cost as much as a ship was impractical.
>> Maskelyne's system was available to those who were not the equivalent of
>> millionaires.
>
> The short life we have on this planet and it is given to the voodoo of
> people who would manufacture history and bury every known astronomical
> accomplishment to have their speculative agenda.
plural rather than the singular since you haven't yet made a single convert
to your personal cult.
How many other know-
> nothing who are satisfied with themselves and make no effort to
> understand why these things are crucially important and that humans
> use the full faculties o their brains in making sense of observations.
>
> Canada along with all nations and institutions abandoned astronomy a
> long time ago,not even the history of the chronometer registers with
> the fools in this forum who are hungry for funds without earning it -
>
oriel36
May 28, 2013, 5:46:05 PM5/28/13
to
On May 28, 10:01 pm, Mike Collins <acridiniumes...@gmail.com> wrote:
:
> >> If you took one of his clocks and at noon every day marked shadow of a tall
> >> object like a flagpole you would be able to plot a good analemma.
>
> > The 'analemma' as you understand it is not only a fairytale,it hints
> > at the dangerous minds who tried to introduce a wandering Sun into a
> > celestial arena where the only valid 'wandering' motions are those of
> > the planets,observed as retrogrades and explained by the orbital
> > motion of the Earth.Not a single astronomer from antiquity through
> > Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo budgeted for such an abomination -
>
> > " Moreover, we see the other five planets also retrograde at times,
> > and stationary at either end [of the regression]. And whereas the sun
> > always advances along its own direct path, they wander in various
> > ways, straying sometimes to the south and sometimes to the north; that
> > is why they are called "planets" [wanderers]. "
>
> > You have a Nazi-like disregard for astronomy and its technical points
> > and a mean spirited attitude to go along with it
>
> You ignorant opinionated ignoramus.
> How dare you call people who see through your personal fairyland of
> superstition Nazis.
Your cult represents the worst of the worst because it manufactures
history at will and how dare you pervert the principles which tie
rotation of the Earth to the 24 hour AM/PM cycle and the Lat/Long
system as this belongs to human endeavor and achievement. You are not
good enough to appreciate the style of the great astronomers who
created the systems in use today and by what means they developed
those systems and by God I will make it known despite this unrelenting
hostility and cowardice.
> My mother was nearly killed by Nazi bombs.
> My father fought the Nazis. I had an uncle who was in the commandos another
> who was a Lancaster pilot and another who was a Japanese prisoner of war.
> Your parents probably supported America First.
> And I am a lifetime socialist.
You are an unapologetic empirical drone of the type that can only be
compared to the Nazis because when you are faced with the sprawling
history of longitude and the invention of watches based on the Lat/
Long system you positively refuse to accept the core principles and
call yourself whatever you want - a type of mean spirited,narrowminded
bunch has never existed on the surface of this great planet.
"Nazi theory indeed specifically denies that such a thing as "the
truth" exists. […] The implied objective of this line of thought is a
nightmare world in which the Leader, or some ruling clique, controls
not only the future but the past. If the Leader says of such and such
an event, "It never happened"—well, it never happened. If he says that
two and two are five—well, two and two are five. This prospect
frightens me much more than bombs […]" Orwell
You can't bury the past Collins and nobody else should either,the fact
that you have gotten away with it for a decade in these forums and a
few hundred years through Royal Society empiricism hardly matters -
the great things in life always surface no matter how cruel or
dominant your cult is.
:
> >> If you took one of his clocks and at noon every day marked shadow of a tall
> >> object like a flagpole you would be able to plot a good analemma.
>
> > The 'analemma' as you understand it is not only a fairytale,it hints
> > at the dangerous minds who tried to introduce a wandering Sun into a
> > celestial arena where the only valid 'wandering' motions are those of
> > the planets,observed as retrogrades and explained by the orbital
> > motion of the Earth.Not a single astronomer from antiquity through
> > Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo budgeted for such an abomination -
>
> > " Moreover, we see the other five planets also retrograde at times,
> > and stationary at either end [of the regression]. And whereas the sun
> > always advances along its own direct path, they wander in various
> > ways, straying sometimes to the south and sometimes to the north; that
> > is why they are called "planets" [wanderers]. "
>
> > You have a Nazi-like disregard for astronomy and its technical points
> > and a mean spirited attitude to go along with it
>
> You ignorant opinionated ignoramus.
> How dare you call people who see through your personal fairyland of
> superstition Nazis.
history at will and how dare you pervert the principles which tie
rotation of the Earth to the 24 hour AM/PM cycle and the Lat/Long
system as this belongs to human endeavor and achievement. You are not
good enough to appreciate the style of the great astronomers who
created the systems in use today and by what means they developed
those systems and by God I will make it known despite this unrelenting
hostility and cowardice.
> My mother was nearly killed by Nazi bombs.
> My father fought the Nazis. I had an uncle who was in the commandos another
> who was a Lancaster pilot and another who was a Japanese prisoner of war.
> Your parents probably supported America First.
> And I am a lifetime socialist.
compared to the Nazis because when you are faced with the sprawling
history of longitude and the invention of watches based on the Lat/
Long system you positively refuse to accept the core principles and
call yourself whatever you want - a type of mean spirited,narrowminded
bunch has never existed on the surface of this great planet.
"Nazi theory indeed specifically denies that such a thing as "the
truth" exists. […] The implied objective of this line of thought is a
nightmare world in which the Leader, or some ruling clique, controls
not only the future but the past. If the Leader says of such and such
an event, "It never happened"—well, it never happened. If he says that
two and two are five—well, two and two are five. This prospect
frightens me much more than bombs […]" Orwell
You can't bury the past Collins and nobody else should either,the fact
that you have gotten away with it for a decade in these forums and a
few hundred years through Royal Society empiricism hardly matters -
the great things in life always surface no matter how cruel or
dominant your cult is.
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway
May 28, 2013, 10:38:27 PM5/28/13
to
"oriel36" wrote in message
news:4f6c53f7-010f-4a6b...@i4g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
=======================
Don't waste your time arguing with me.
You are WRONG and you are fucking STUPID.
FUCK OFF!
news:4f6c53f7-010f-4a6b...@i4g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Don't waste your time arguing with me.
You are WRONG and you are fucking STUPID.
it is 361 degrees for 24 hours, you anonymous empiricist lying thug,
and you have no right to challenge it, ARSEHOLE!
FUCK OFF!
0 new messages