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I know that my article is not related to this group ,but it might be
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Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil?

Question:

Why does Islam degrade women by keeping them behind the veil?

Answer: The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks
in the secular media.The 'hijab' or the Islamic dress is cited by many
as an example of the'subjugation' of women under Islamic law. Before
we analyze the reasoningbehind the religiously mandated 'hijab', let
us first study the status of women insocieties before the advent of
Islam

1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust

The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the
status ofwomen in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent
that they were deniedbasic human dignity:a. Babylonian
Civilization:The women were degraded and were denied all rights under
the Babylonianlaw. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being
punished, his wifewas put to death.b. Greek Civilization:Greek
Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient
civilizations.Under this very 'glorious' system, women were deprived
of all rights andwere looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an
'imaginary woman' called'Pandora' is the root cause of misfortune of
human beings. The Greeksconsidered women to be subhuman and inferior
to men. Though chastity ofwomen was precious, and women were held in
high esteem, the Greekswere later overwhelmed by ego and sexual
perversions. Prostitutionbecame a regular practice amongst all classes
of Greek society.c. Roman Civilization:When Roman Civilization was at
the zenith of its 'glory', a man even had theright to take the life of
his wife. Prostitution and nudity were commonamongst the Romans.d.
Egyptian Civilization:The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign
of a devil.e. Pre-Islamic Arabia:Before Islam spread in Arabia, the
Arabs looked down upon women andvery often when a female child was
born, she was buried alive

.2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects themto
maintain their status. Islam uplifted the status of women and granted
them their just rights 1400 yearsago. Islam expects women to maintain
their status

.Hijab for men

People usually only discuss 'hijab' in the context of women. However,
in theGlorious Qur'an, Allah (swt) first mentions 'hijab' for men
before 'hijab' for thewomen. The Qur'an mentions in Surah Noor:"Say to
the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guardtheir
modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah iswell
acquainted with all that they do."[Al-Qur'an 24:30]The moment a man
looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thoughtcomes to his
mind, he should lower his gaze.Hijab for women.The next verse of Surah
Noor, says:" And say to the believing women that they should lower
their gaze andguard their modesty; that they should not display their
beauty andornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that
theyshould draw veils over their bosoms and not display their
beautyexcept to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands'
fathers, theirsons..."[Al-Qur'an 24:31]

3. Six criteria for Hijab. According to Qur'an and Sunnah there are
basically six criteria for observinghijab:1. Extent:The first
criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This
isdifferent for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on
the maleis to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For
women, theextent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body
except the faceand the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can
cover even theseparts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that
the face and the handsare part of the obligatory extent of 'hijab'.All
the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.2. The
clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.3. The
clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see
throughthem.4. The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to
attract the opposite sex.5. The clothes worn should not resemble that
of the opposite sex.6. The clothes worn should not resemble that of
the unbelievers i.e. theyshould not wear clothes that are specifically
identities or symbols of theunbelievers' religions.

4. Hijab includes conduct and behaviour among other things Complete
'hijab', besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the
moralconduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A
person onlyfulfilling the criteria of 'hijab' of the clothes is
observing 'hijab' in a limited sense.'Hijab' of the clothes should be
accompanied by 'hijab' of the eyes, 'hijab' of theheart, 'hijab' of
thought and 'hijab' of intention. It also includes the way a
personwalks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.

5. Hijab prevents molestation The reason why Hijab is prescribed for
women is mentioned in the Qur'an in thefollowing verses of Surah Al-
Ahzab :"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing
womenthat they should cast their outer garments over their persons
(whenabroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as
such)and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."[Al-
Qur'an 33:59] The Qur'an says that Hijab has been prescribed for the
women so that they arerecognized as modest women and this will also
prevent them from beingmolested.

6. Example of twin Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are
equally beautiful, walk downthe street. One of them is attired in the
Islamic hijab i.e. the complete body iscovered, except for the face
and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister iswearing western
clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there isa
hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom
will hetease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijab or the girl wearing
the skirt or the mini?Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the
skirt or the mini. Such dresses are anindirect invitation to the
opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur'anrightly says that
hijab prevents women from being molested.

7. Capital punishment for the rapists Under the Islamic shariah, a man
convicted of having raped a woman, is givencapital punishment. Many
are astonished at this 'harsh' sentence. Some evensay that Islam is a
ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question tohundreds
of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife,your
mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is
brought infront of you. What punishment would you give him? All of
them said they wouldput him to death. Some went to the extent of
saying they would torture him todeath. To them I ask, if someone rapes
your wife or your mother you want to puthim to death. But if the same
crime is committed on somebody else's wife ordaughter you say capital
punishment is barbaric. Why should there be doublestandards?

8. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted womenWestern talk
of women's liberalization is nothing but a disguised form
ofexploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation
of her honour.Western society claims to have 'uplifted' women. On the
contrary it has actuallydegraded them to the status of concubines,
mistresses and society butterflieswho are mere tools in the hands of
pleasure seekers and sex marketeers,hidden behind the colourful screen
of 'art' and 'culture'.

9. USA has one of the highest rates of United States of America is
supposed to be one of the most advanced countriesof the world. It also
has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in theworld.
According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an
average1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another
report saidthat on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are
committed in USA. Theyear was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or
1993. May be the Americansgot 'bolder' in the following years.Consider
a scenario where the Islamic hijab is followed in America. Whenevera
man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to
hismind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijab, that
is thecomplete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the
wrist. Afterthis if any man commits rape he is given capital
punishment. I ask you, in sucha scenario, will the rate of rape in
America increase, will it remain the same, orwill it decrease?

10. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes
Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results
will beinevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of
the world, whether itis America or Europe, society will breathe
easier. Hijab does not degrade awoman but uplifts a woman and protects
her modesty and chastity

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John Savard

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Oct 4, 2008, 6:14:55 PM10/4/08
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:11:00 -0700 (PDT), amisb65 <ami...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>10. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes
>Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results
>will beinevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of
>the world, whether itis America or Europe, society will breathe
>easier. Hijab does not degrade awoman but uplifts a woman and protects
>her modesty and chastity

We know full well, from abundant experience, what Shari'a does in this
respect.

As it is required for non-Muslims to be "submissive", and a non-Muslim's
testimony cannot be accepted where it contradicts the word of a Muslim,
there will be those in the larger Muslim community - admittedly, only a
few wicked individuals, and not true Muslims themselves - who will take
advantage of the vulnerability of non-Muslim minority communities, and
rape women within them.

And there will be no justice obtained when this happens, and in this
Shari'a and the larger Muslim community are guilty and complicit.

But then, even when Muslim women are raped, they are more likely to be
accused of adultery than to be given justice under Shari'a.

John Savard
http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html

MAT

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Oct 4, 2008, 8:07:20 PM10/4/08
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If they want to walk around looking like Darth Vader..so what? It's their
business. KEEP YOUR DIRY NOSES OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS.!!!

John Savard

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Oct 4, 2008, 8:54:41 PM10/4/08
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:07:20 GMT, "MAT" <M...@telstrat.com> wrote, in
part:

>If they want to walk around looking like Darth Vader..so what? It's their
>business. KEEP YOUR DIRY NOSES OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS.!!!

You must not have read my post.

I don't care what they wear.

I care what they do to non-Muslims around them.

John Savard
http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html

Cutthecrap

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Oct 5, 2008, 8:52:47 AM10/5/08
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John Coward angrily wrote

If they want to walk around looking like Darth Vader..so what? It's their
>>business. KEEP YOUR DIRY NOSES OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS.!!!

John, john, john.....
Do you really in the far behind of your head
think that all women in (sorry, under) islam volunteer to run around in
these clothings ?
- this mailbox fabric means submission to the patriarc / male ;-(
Wake up.

But, talking of business. let愀 get back to it.
This is a astronomy group, not a group for spreading religious nonsense
(pleonasm, sorry)

"John Savard" <jsa...@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote
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Chris.B

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Oct 6, 2008, 3:32:39 AM10/6/08
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amis65 knows full well that the Muslim veil and women's head-to-toe
clothing is to hide the bloody bruises from the regular beatings
handed out by cowardly spouses and fathers on the explicit and
detailed instructions of their mentally ill imams and sheiks. We may
count ourselves extremely fortunate that such brutish, sexist, immoral
and misogynist behaviours are strictly reserved for a small, cowardly
minority, the mentally ill and alcoholics in the West.

Islam is rank cowardice in the face of innocent women and girls. Islam
has no other purpose than to protect the superstitious, the lazy, the
brutish, the coward and the mentally corrupt from ever having a single
independent thought of their own. Women would destroy the whole pack
of cards in a moment. Just as amis65 proves so explicitly with every
off-topic, morally bankrupt post he consigns to the internet. Doesn't
he have a wife to torture? Or a little girl's genitals on which to
practice his butchery? Or perhaps some other, more constructive,
hobby? No, he's as mentally ill as all our other trolls. He is the
Min, the Oriel, the Brad Guth, the Lin Liangtai and Starlord's own
personal, gibbering and cowardly bully all rolled into one. Two a
penny and not one of them with a single, original thought worth its
weight in ones and noughts.

MAT

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Oct 6, 2008, 12:45:57 PM10/6/08
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So stop being the asshole you are Chris and just put amis in message rules.


"Chris.B" <chr...@mail.dk> wrote in message
news:084d0e89-cce5-456e...@t42g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

Chris.B

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Oct 7, 2008, 6:59:47 AM10/7/08
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On Oct 6, 6:45 pm, "MAT" <M...@telstrat.com> wrote:
> So stop being the asshole you are Chris and just put amis in message rules.

Fellow arsehole,

My attempts to shame amis into desisting from posting here have
obviously failed. I should have learned from long experience that one
cannot argue with the religiously insane. They have no morals and no
shame because they are, by any reasonable standards of behaviour,
completely insane. Any tin-pot ideology which does not allow open
criticism isn't worth the sand it is built on. Any tin-pot ideology
which subjects children and women to the intolerable cruelty of Muslim
practices is collective insanity. Just when the parasitic, perverted
priests are finally on the retreat in the West we get the other lot
pushing their arrogant twaddle down our bløødy throats. When will the
human race grow up and face the simple reality that they are
superstitious idiots and this (and us) is all there is? If the
doomsday button was handy you could guarantee, with absolutely perfect
certainty, that a religiously insane person would press it because
some imagined god told them to. There is no nonsense or cruelty they
will not believe or commit in their wildest, lunatic fantasies! In any
other walk of life they would be locked up or heavily medicated. The
sooner the scientists find the gene to cure religious superstition the
sooner we will be rid of this evil curse on the human race. End of
rant! Hi-yo Rocinante and away!

MAT

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Oct 7, 2008, 2:30:47 PM10/7/08
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BIG asshole...keep your wild and insane generalities and bigotry to
yourself...punk!

Chris.B

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Oct 8, 2008, 4:09:49 AM10/8/08
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On Oct 7, 8:30 pm, "MAT" <M...@telstrat.com> wrote:
> BIG asshole...keep your wild and insane generalities and bigotry to
> yourself...punk!

Have I hit a nerve? Grow up! Anybody would think I'd just told you
Santa Claus had died.

One's religion is almost completely dependent on one's place of birth,
parent's place of birth or parent's choice of superstition.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Worldwide_percentage_of_Adherents_by_Religion.png

How on earth can they all have their own unique god?

Are there enough gods to go around? And if there once were ... where
the hell are they now?

Your god is better than my god, because....?

As a no-nonsense-believer I don't have a god. That must mean there is
a spare sitting on the shelf somewhere. Anybody want my spare god?
Never used, original packaging with manufacturer's lifetime guarantee.
No rust, cheap to run and absolutely no silly rules. Drive carefully!
Small print:: Nomex suit optional on death bed. ;-)

Cutthecrap

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Oct 8, 2008, 4:22:03 AM10/8/08
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Bigotry ?
You can´t blame astronomers for that.
On the contrary: it´s the baskets of the "true believers", who keep on
disturbing this ng. with non-topic bullshit.

Apparently they are not sure in their faith,
as they feel the need to force it into the heads of their fellow beings.

If the goods they believe in, really excisted,
and had power in all aspects of life,
preaching and such newsgroup spamming would not be necessary !! ;-x


"MAT" <M...@telstrat.com> wrote news:rVNGk.141$%%2.60@edtnps82...


>
>
> BIG asshole...keep your wild and insane generalities and bigotry to
> yourself...punk!
>
> My attempts to shame amis into desisting from posting here have
> obviously failed. I should have learned from long experience that one
> cannot argue with the religiously insane. They have no morals and no
> shame because they are, by any reasonable standards of behaviour,
> completely insane. Any tin-pot ideology which does not allow open
> criticism isn't worth the sand it is built on. Any tin-pot ideology
> which subjects children and women to the intolerable cruelty of Muslim
> practices is collective insanity. Just when the parasitic, perverted
> priests are finally on the retreat in the West we get the other lot

> pushing their arrogant twaddle down our blřřdy throats. When will the

Chris.B

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Oct 8, 2008, 5:14:31 AM10/8/08
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On Oct 8, 10:22 am, "Cutthecrap" <cu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bigotry ?
> You can´t blame astronomers for that.
> On the contrary: it´s the baskets of the "true believers", who keep on
> disturbing this ng. with non-topic bullshit.
>
> Apparently they are not sure in their faith,
> as they feel the need to force it into the heads of their fellow beings.
>
> If the goods they believe in, really excisted,
> and had power in all aspects of life,
> preaching and such newsgroup spamming would not be necessary !! ;-x

And now a result from a late kick-off: Christians 3 Muslims 2.

I wonder if my spare god would fetch anything on eBay?
Only one owner. (Non smoker) Only driven past the church on Sundays.

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