TWST wants to know...
The Whimsical Star Traveler
grain of sand if accelerated to light speed? Thank you, TWST
Sam Wormley
> The Whimsical Star Traveler wants to know what would happen to the mass
> of a grain of sand if accelerated to light speed? Thank you, TWST
Hidden in the law of inertia is the fact that all motion is relative.
Whether a body is in motion or at rest depends strictly on the point
of view of the observer.
Given that motion is observer dependent, let's assume that you
have a grain of sand and you accelerate it, dv/dt ≠ 0 and you
note that its velocity with respect to you changes.
You can accelerate that grain of sand all you like and it will
never achieve light speed.
If you are interested in learning something, start with some
online information, say:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity
And if you really want to learn:
Physics FAQ: Are There Any Good Books on Relativity Theory?
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Administrivia/rel_booklist.html
See: The General Relativity Tutorial
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/gr/gr.html
Sjouke Burry
> grain of sand if accelerated to light speed? Thank you, TWST
>
In other words, even all the matter in the universe
converted into drive energy is not enough.
Chris.B
wrote:
>
> It would turn into an infinitely heavy object.
> In other words, even all the matter in the universe
> converted into drive energy is not enough.
I am surprised how much the theorists dislike infinity.
Quite disparaging, they are, in a polite sort of way. :-)
Chris L Peterson
wrote:
>I am surprised how much the theorists dislike infinity.
Theorists like infinity just fine. It's the empiricists who have
problems with it!
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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
oriel36
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:19:42 -0800 (PST), "Chris.B" <chri...@nypost.dk>
> wrote:
>
> >I am surprised how much the theorists dislike infinity.
>
> Theorists like infinity just fine. It's the empiricists who have
> problems with it!
> _________________________________________________
>
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatoryhttp://www.cloudbait.com
There is nothing comparable within the history of humanity to this
particular crisis,the idea that basic planetary facts are lost due to
the insistence that the rotation of the constellations around Polaris
can determine the Earth's daily rotation through 360 degrees to arrive
at a value other than 24 hours .This time it is not the guys in
universities or institutions speculating on theoretical novelties but
what would I consider people of sensible intelligence who would not
normally follow ideas that are extremely damaging on all counts.
I do not mind you or many of the others here,it is those who must now
be aware what exactly went wrong those few centuries ago which allowed
Ra/Dec to become something it is not,a means to explain planetary
dynamics thereby shutting down the ability to work dynamics into
planetary effects,modify orbital dynamics and create a more binding
relationship with the solar system's galactic orbital motion.
I cannot,cannot understand why people are behaving in a manner that is
a complete dishonor to the human race in that all the worst possible
traits are displayed in not dealing with this crisis directly - the
Earth's shape and dimensions are organised around the Earth's rotation
through 15 degrees per hour.It is not about you and many here being
wrong,it is the complete absence of any courage to overturn this
travesty visited upon Western civilisation.
There are plenty of walls that need to fall,this one happens to be the
biggest and most heavily defended of all.
Sam Wormley
> ...the rotation of the constellations around Polaris
> can determine the Earth's daily rotation through 360 degrees to arrive
> at a value other than 24 hours
Given the definition of a second, the constellations rotate exactly
360° around the north and south celestial poles in 86,164.09+ seconds.
It's a direct observation anybody can make. We refer to that as a
sidereal day.
Fundamental to time keeping and astronomy.
dke...@hotmail.com
Hi Sam
I stopped replying to him when he insisted that a Focault Pendulum
would rotate
in 24 hours at the poles instead of the 23H56m and some seconds.
The problem is that such an actual measurement of the Earths rotation
that
is not relative to the stars is not something he wants to except. We
know
that the pendulum can't see or be effected by the stars and he knows
that
to. For him, no answer except 24hours can be correct or the rest of
his
thinking is not correct.
There is nothing further to argue about if he does not except the
truth of an
experiment that can be verified at most any location on Earth except
the Equator.
His argument has always been that the reference to the stars and the
Focault Pendulum knows nothing of the stars.
Dwight
oriel36
This is a crisis like no other,not just the loss of basic planetary
facts but the absolute willingness to ignore the entire history of the
development of timekeeping including accurate watches to determine
location on the planet based on 15 degrees of rotation per hour .I
cannot imagine what must go through your heads when encountering
Huygen's treatise or that of John Harrison's explanation on page 90
and 91 -
http://books.google.ie/books?id=8roAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&dq=remarks#v=onepage&q=remarks&f=false
Obviously I am dealing with a cult mentality that simply cannot grasp
the consequences of making a conclusion such as equating the rotation
of the constellations about Polaris direct with the independent
rotation of the Earth for no individual or group would have any sense
of responsibility ,authority or intelligence to arrive at a value
other than 24 hours.
http://books.google.ie/books?id=8roAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&dq=remarks#v=onepage&q=remarks&f=false
Spin the globe through 15 degrees and it covers 1669.8 km at the
equator and will turn an entire equatorial circumference in 24 hours
as time is organised around the rotational characteristics of the
Earth,it is supposed to be such a fundamental fact,irrespective of the
slightly intricate way the reasoning is arrived at so that another
'sidereal time' value would have to expose symptoms of a brute
ideology that is contrary to everything that is good about humanity.
What you do is not horrifying for it shows that you are fully engaged
in your cult and cannot believe otherwise,what is horrifying is that
nobody here grasps the consequences of losing basic planetary facts
and adopting reasoning which is extremely damaging in every sphere of
existence.
Sam Wormley
Thanks Dwight--Unfortunately Gerald have many other physical science
misconceptions and what's worse that that he does not even understand
algebra.
Sam Wormley
I will agree, Gerald that you are going through a crisis like now
other. It must really weigh on you that educated people, even educated
kids understand thing like planetary motion, sidereal days defined by
360° rotations, and that the earth's season are caused by the tilt of
the earth's rotational axis with respect to the normal of the ecliptic
plane.
Furthermore, you are disadvantaged in that you do not understand the
rudimentary mathematics involved in planetary dynamics, astrometry
and astronomy.
I sincerely feel bad for your situation and will offer corrections to
your misunderstandings from time to time, encourage you toward self
education and will try to be a resource for you.
-Sam
palsing
> On Nov 10, 10:48 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > oriel36 wrote:
> > > ...the rotation of the constellations around Polaris
> > > can determine the Earth's daily rotation through 360 degrees to arrive
> > > at a value other than 24 hours
>
> > Given the definition of a second, the constellations rotate exactly
> > 360° around the north and south celestial poles in 86,164.09+ seconds.
> > It's a direct observation anybody can make. We refer to that as a
> > sidereal day.
>
> > Fundamental to time keeping and astronomy.
>
> This is a crisis like no other,not just the loss of basic planetary
> facts but the absolute willingness to ignore the entire history of the
> development of timekeeping including accurate watches to determine
> location on the planet based on 15 degrees of rotation per hour .I
> cannot imagine what must go through your heads when encountering
> Huygen's treatise or that of John Harrison's explanation on page 90
> and 91 -
>
>
> Obviously I am dealing with a cult mentality that simply cannot grasp
> the consequences of making a conclusion such as equating the rotation
> of the constellations about Polaris direct with the independent
> rotation of the Earth for no individual or group would have any sense
> of responsibility ,authority or intelligence to arrive at a value
> other than 24 hours.
>
>
> Spin the globe through 15 degrees and it covers 1669.8 km at the
> equator and will turn an entire equatorial circumference in 24 hours
> as time is organised around the rotational characteristics of the
> Earth,it is supposed to be such a fundamental fact,irrespective of the
> slightly intricate way the reasoning is arrived at so that another
> 'sidereal time' value would have to expose symptoms of a brute
> ideology that is contrary to everything that is good about humanity.
>
> What you do is not horrifying for it shows that you are fully engaged
> in your cult and cannot believe otherwise,what is horrifying is that
> nobody here grasps the consequences of losing basic planetary facts
> and adopting reasoning which is extremely damaging in every sphere of
> existence.
Your inability to learn anything notwithstanding, you once again
attempt to hijack an otherwise innocent thread...
oriel36
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On Nov 10, 10:48 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> oriel36 wrote:
> >>> ...the rotation of the constellations around Polaris
> >>> can determine the Earth's daily rotation through 360 degrees to arrive
> >>> at a value other than 24 hours
> >> Given the definition of a second, the constellations rotate exactly
> >> 360° around the north and south celestial poles in 86,164.09+ seconds.
> >> It's a direct observation anybody can make. We refer to that as a
> >> sidereal day.
>
> >> Fundamental to time keeping and astronomy.
>
> > This is a crisis like no other,not just the loss of basic planetary
> > facts but the absolute willingness to ignore the entire history of the
> > development of timekeeping including accurate watches to determine
> > location on the planet based on 15 degrees of rotation per hour .I
> > cannot imagine what must go through your heads when encountering
> > Huygen's treatise or that of John Harrison's explanation on page 90
> > and 91 -
>
>
> > Obviously I am dealing with a cult mentality that simply cannot grasp
> > the consequences of making a conclusion such as equating the rotation
> > of the constellations about Polaris direct with the independent
> > rotation of the Earth for no individual or group would have any sense
> > of responsibility ,authority or intelligence to arrive at a value
> > other than 24 hours.
>
A cult is a cult be it ever so dominant as the empirical one is and at
the core of it is not Newton's distortions of astronomical insights
and methods but the mistake of a single individual who preceded the
empirical cult,that is what makes the resolving of the situation so
delightful.John Flamsteed came to the conclusion that the rotation of
the constellations around Polaris proves that daily rotation is
constant in direct conflict with astronomical timekeeping principles
known to all genuine astronomers since antiquity -
"... our clocks kept so good a correspondence with the Heavens that I
doubt it not but they would prove the revolutions of the Earth to be
isochronical..." Flamsteed
The real story of the equable day/calendar system and the relationship
between watches and planetary geometry/geography is far removed from
that simpleminded junk of Flamsteed and is scattered all over the
internet in articles ,some more comprehensive than others but always a
pleasure to read -
http://www.grand-illusions.com/articles/longitude/page04.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF85O9SJCaE
This is what kids should be learning,the Earth's shape and rotational
characteristics are bound together in a single fact that the planet
rotates 360 degrees in 24 hours and in the latter end of high
school,they learn the intricate reasoning surrounding the creation of
the average 24 hour day and its transfer to daily rotation as a
constant.
As for adults,well,there is so much to do with the geological and
climatological links with planetary dynamics that finding myself still
looking for people who have the intelligence and courage to move on
from the late 17th century error is the most painful experience for it
is not a matter of pointing out that you are wrong with 'sidereal
time',it is pointing out that the reasoning behind it is a complete
dishonor to the human race and a genuine crisis.