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From: Eric Stevens <eric.stev...@sum.co.nz>
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Kensington Runestone - Nielsen and Wolters.
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:27:38 +1300
Organization: Forensic Engineer
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:21:34 +0100, "Peter Alaca" <P.Al...@6125.nn>
wrote:

>Eric Stevens wrote:  j90fq19m72a41rqeqp9o63rq2fg01nt...@4ax.com,
>
>> I've just finished my first pass through the book and I have to say
>> that despite its faults, I'm impressed.
>> [...]
>
>> My first reaction is that the information which emerges falls under
>> the following main headings:
>>
>> 1.  Wolters has photographed the runes in unprecedented detail and in
>>     the process has shown that the common understanding of the nature
>>     of some of the runes is wrong. Some of the runes are almost
>>     unprecedented.
>
>Does that mean they are unique?

I can't give you a definite answer without going back and analysing
the arguments but, yes, one or two may still be. There are others,
like the use of the hooked X, of which there are only three known
examples. One is the KRS, another is one of the Spirit Pond runestones
and the third is the signature of Cristopher Columbus
http://www.grecoreport.com/images/Columbus_signature.jpg

>
>> 2. [...]
>> 3. [...]
>> 4. [...]
>> 5. Wolters and Nielsen also claim that apparently marked runes can
>>     be used to derive a close (to 5 decimal figures) approximation to
>>     the Golden Number phi. They have given the details of this also
>>     but the derivation is more obscure and I have not yet tried to
>>     confirm it.
>
>And what use has phi on a runestone like the krs?

The fact that it is embedded in the text may serve to authentic the
document in some way.
>
>> 6.  On the basis of the numerology, Wolters and Nielsen have proposed
>>     that the inscription on the KRS is linked to the Knights Templar
>>     or a group linked to that body.
>[...]
>>     In any case, the use of embedded codes reminds me of some
>>     of the techniques used to validitate the authenticity of letters 
>> of
>>     credit in mediaeval times.
>
>But why on the krs?
>I distrust everything that relies on numerological arguments

I'm a little cautious about this one too but, if it is there, then it
is there. In fact, the book demonstrates that it is there in three
places in the KRS, including the date 1362.
http://goldennumber.net/fibonser.htm explains the nature and the
methodology of the Fibonacci series and how it is used to derive phi.
Other number series also converge to a solution for phi, including the
series 1,2,3,6... which is a rearranged 1362. This may be mere
coincidence but if it is deliberate it raises the question of whether
the 1362 is an actual date or merely an authentication code.
>
>> 7. [...]
>> 8. [...]
>
>> In my humble opinion, this book is a 'must have' for anyone who
>> seriously wants to get the bottom of almost any aspect of the story of
>> the KRS.
>
>I think the story _on_ the runestone is more important.

But what is the story? The common understanding has been overturned
even if only by the identification of the details of the runes.

Apart from that, Scott wolter's work seems to have established the age
of the KRS as being +2 centuries at the time of discovery. That too is
important.



Eric Stevens