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Steve Marcus  
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 More options Oct 15 2004, 5:32 am
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: "Steve Marcus" <smarcus_spamo...@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:32:43 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 15 2004 5:32 am
Subject: Re: Spirit Pond, Maine

"Michael Zalar" <m_za...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:a458909b.0410142144.4fee4c90@posting.google.com...
> "Martin Reboul" <martin.reb...@SPAMFUKvirgin.net> wrote in message

<news:Qkc7d.724$QQ1.151@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>...

> > Most genuine runestones feature text which follows the natural contours
of the
> > rock, often of irregular shape. The KRS contains runes which are curved
and
> > rounded, which is unusual (runes being designed to be carved easily,
made up of
> > straight lines). That raises suspicion it was based on written texts,
rather
> > than carved 'off the cuff' (especially the numbers).

> > What other, genuine 13th, 14th 0r 15th century runestones are available
to
> > comppare it with, ask yourself?

> >              Cheers
> >                       Martin

> I might direct your attention to the Kingigtorssuaq stone, a 14th
> century stone found in Greenland:
> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/fucina2001/_Images/rune12.jpg

The Kingigtorssuaq stone list the names of three Norse hunters known to be
in the area (Greenland) at the end of the 13th century.    Please cite a
peer reviewed source for the claim that it is "a 14th century stone."

Also, the stone was found on Disko Island, which is not "in Greenland" in
the sense that the Settlements were "in Greenland", but  lies midway up the
western coast of Greenland and nowhere near where the expedition allegedly
involving Paul Knutsen would have been in Greenland had it in fact actually
left Norway and arrived in the Settlements.  See:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/greenland/maps.htm#greenland

and compare:

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/vikings/vikingnw.gif

You should also note from the first map that Disko Island is substantially
north of the Hudson strait.

> You will note that the stone is laid out in straight lines,and uses
> runes which were curved and rounded.  It is also a memorial stone,
> being found on, and referring to cairns raised on the island.

Imprecise, and yet very telling.  The King. runestone isn't a memorial stone
in the sense that the Kensington Runestone is purported to be; it doesn't
memorialize anyone's death.  It simply explains that the cairn on which the
King. runestone was found was **built by specific people on a specific day**
(and not a specific date).  It's purpose is to "memorialize" the people who
built it in the sense of their *deed* of having traveled so far north (on
their hunt).  The conspicuous absence of names on the Kensington Runestone
and the specific absence of any *deeds* other than "we made camp and then we
fished" is very telling when comparing the two runestones.

But hey, why confuse the issue with facts.

I

> consider it possible, if unlikely, that the KRS expedition came across
> this stone, and that it provided the 'inspiration' for the Kensington
> Stone.

> I should like to further note that runes were frequently used by
> common idinviduals for leaving mundane messages, though these were
> usually carved in wood. The runes found in Bergen are a prime example
> of this type of inscription.

> Also, Runes were used in text documents on paper. Indeed, Dr Nielsen
> suggests that the person who prepared the inscription was acquainted
> with such documents. This would further explain the use of macrons
> above some vowels (the double dotting), as macrons were frequently in
> use in documents of that era.

> Perhaps, at least in terms of semantic analysis, one should call the
> KRS a runic document carved in stone, rather than a "runestone".
> Although there are certain similarities to runestones, there is no
> specific evidence that suggests that the primary purpose of the
> document was to be a runestone in any narrow sense of the word.
> Indeed I find the dissimilarities between the KRS and runestones can
> be used as an argument to suggest that the former is not a forgery.  A
> forger setting out to copy a runestone would have been far more
> careful to follow traditional forms.

> Michael

Steve Marcus
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The above posting is neither a legal opinion nor legal advice,
because we do not have an attorney-client relationship, and
should not be construed as either.  This posting does not
represent the opinion of my employer, but is merely my personal
view.  To reply, delete _spamout_ and replace with the numeral 3

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